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- aaronwolfe, on 10/12/2007, -35/+58Can Bush be prosecuted for war crimes? Yes!
Will he? Sadly, no. While the population of the world thoroughly hates him, the governments of the world would be too afraid to attempt to prosecute a former US President (hope I'm wrong with every fiber of my traitor's soul). Ironically I think the US people are the only people who could make this happen. We would either have to get loud enough to make our congress impeach Bush, or in 2008 elect a President who admits that what the Bush administration did in invading Iraq violated international law. Neither are likely to happen. - zuberfde, on 10/12/2007, -8/+31America is good. The people running America are bad.
- Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -28/+44"guardians of quality"? dont you mean "rednecks of censorship"?
intresting how you bash nuremberg lawyers opinions so quickly... of yeah thats right you dont believe in geneva conventions! - rokinroj, on 10/12/2007, -22/+36You can always count on Flag564 to show up and start screaming about the "liberals" anytime his beloved Bush is mentioned in any kind of negative light. Could it be that maybe you're missing it? could it be that maybe it's not a bunch of liberals, but maybe a bunch of people that see things for what they are? Nah, you and the other 29% that still believe Bush is a good president keep holding on. The rest of us hippie liberals will come around.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24Do you really believe that diatribe of garbage you just spouted off? Is this how you talk in everyday life? Is America really as fragmented as it seems from comments like this? Right, left, right, left...you sound like an episode of Sesame Street, meanwhile oblivious to the fact that you all are far more conservative than the rest of the world.
Partisan hate, I mean "politics" will be the ruin of the US at this rate. Why cant people think rationally and drop the labels and labeling? - mecole21, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16This is what George Washington was worried about.
- rokinroj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@DirkBelig
Since I can’t stand our president, and disagree with this mockery in Iraq, I guess I am in your "anti-American brainwashed Leftists” category.
What cracks me up is that you've decided all on your own that anyone who doesn’t approve of what our president is doing is in the above mentioned group. It just shows how shallow and uneducated you are to make such a ridiculous assumption.
I love and support my country more than anyone I know. And I mean that quite literally. I only buy American products (ok, well, whenever possible); yes I will pay more to support an American company. I vote in every election, even the city ones. I invest my money exclusively in American companies, I have a huge American flag flying in my yard, and I drive American cars, and most importantly with all my heart, I love this country. I have 4 family members in Iraq right now, and love & respect them. So am I anti-American? Am I somehow brainwashed?
Please fill me in with your vast knowledge so I can fix myself to be more like you…more like a “real” American.
I know you will dismiss my post because I don’t fit neatly into your made up categories, but maybe you should get you head out of your ass and realize that there are more opinions out there then just yours and that possibly, just possibly, not all of the people who have them are what you think they are. - FlaG8r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13You see what Bush has done? He's sunk our reputation and standing in the world to such a low point that even the Canadians are getting uppity.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@Aidenag & False Prophet
Give it a rest, both of you. Both of you are frackin' wrong and I'll tell you why:
First, the administration says that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to terrorists...which is true. It only applies to uniformed combatants of soverign nations. BUT, then they put terrorist detainees in modern day POW camps (Gitmo, et al) like they WERE uniformed combatants of soverign nations.
We are NOT in a "war". We are in an armed conflict with a group of lawless, fascist criminals...but they are NOT soldiers...they are criminals. We either treat them like criminals (and try them in courts of law) or...or give them the same protections that the Geneva Convention offers (which they do not deserve)... but it comes down to this:
...the current administration is trying to have it's cake and eat it, too...and it's not going to last. - goldenbb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Um, first Ritter and then Blix both were telling the truth the *entire* time. They were belittled and ignored because they wouldn't play along with the wider agenda. Facts be damned was all it amounted to.
- JMartin13, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14I agree with Kyle. It is not a left right problem. It is an extreme left extreme right problem. The division between the parties is getting way out of control and the reason is because the voice of each party is coming from the far left and from the far right. The plain undeniable fact is that most people fall close to the middle and cannot relate to those in charge. It just seems that the extreme left is hell bent on making Bush look bad at anything he does that they are willing to sacrifice the good of the country to do so. I cant even begin to explain how sad that is. The war in Iraq may not be popular and we may be there because we were given bad intelligence, but you cannot deny that there are some good things happening over there. But, you never hear anything about the good things that are happening.
- antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20I have yet to hear one single charge that rang true on how he could be prosecuted for war crimes.
- endtime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Stopped reading when it compared the liberation of Iraq to the Nazis' genocide of Jews and gypsies (as well as extermination of homosexuals and other groups). Buried as inaccurate.
- kbarrett, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It's called a *democracy* baby, and we're staying put.
So, deal. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17DirkBelig: I guess that just because I think our president is a dumbass, I must "Hate Freedom".
Heh, "brainwashed leftists" - dave31175, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14"The Left's sense of Divine Right"
Isn't it GWB that claims to be doing God's work? - bjsiders, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Now, I'm open-minded to consider that America's leadership can, has, does, and will steer her away from the right course of liberty and freedom for all the world. Despite being a conservative-libertarian who usually votes Republican, I'm also open-minded enough to consider that President Bush is one of those leaders who has done exactly this, and that he may be guilty of war crimes. However, statements like this:
"Most Americans firmly believe there is nothing the United States or its political leadership could possibly do that could equate to the crimes of Hitler's Third Reich. But the truth is that we can, and we have -- most recently and significantly in Iraq."
Now, I also have a sense of perspective. Scale may not count for much, but to my mind there's a world of difference between an active effort to wipe out an entire race/religion of people through systematic extermination of millions of them, and, say, detaining terrorists at Guantanamo. There's a saying in debate, that once you invoke Hitler, you just lost. It's the historical equivilent to, "what would Jesus do?"
Asinine assertions like this are pure Bush-hating nonsense, and unhelpful the debate. Whatever errors and sins the Bush administration is guilty of, we need serious people to deal with the serious consequences, and this drumbeat of "Bush is Hitler" is so stupidly juvenile, it's beginning to erode at my respect for the intelletual merits of the Left. America is no stronger than when she has two competing voices with good ideas duking it out over which good idea is better than the other.
Right now we have one bad idea - the Bush administration - and NO ideas on the other side. Come on. Our Iraq policy is Nazi Germany? Come on. Some of us take these things seriously. Get over this hangup with George friggen Bush and join the real world for some perspective and open dialog. We need serious, realistic people to engage the debate, not a bunch of hand-wringing hyperbolists who have been grinding the Bush axe for six straight years, and are now wearing out the handle. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7All nations fall eventually. Babylon, Greece, Rome, Persia, Britain . . . we will too, who knows when.
- mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Please tell me this is a joke.
- Hawk2007, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12I honestly have a hard time believing half the crap that gets posted to digg. It's just amazing that people have nothing better to do than ride a person all day and night.
- koko775, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I thought the point of the article was that the US never congressionally accepted the International Criminal Court, meaning that bringing Bush to the ICC would be difficult because it would interfere with our sovereignty without prior approval.
...or something like that? - rodan32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7And when they falter, what happens? After the Romans fell, there were centuries with no scientific progress and the worst living conditions recorded in Europe. What would happen to the world without the US?
- Subcranium, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Why does Digg bring out the worst in political discussions? It's so much better with tech. I don't get it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Digg has been become a political cesspool because you damn liberals don't have a job. Maybe if you stopped smoking dope and preaching about flower power, you would come to the correct conclusion that Bush=God.
Bush will NEVER be prosecuted for anything, do you know why, because us Conservatives control everything.
God damn red diper doper babies. - steevo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The reason it is an illegal war is because the US did not have authorization from the UN to invade. And Under UN treaties whcih the US signed they cannot invade a country just because they want to
- Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10The comments here are indicative of what was mentioned in the article....there absolutely is an ethnocentric belief among most Americans that everything they do (and their government does) in the world stage is right.
The comments here about how rediculous it is that actions taken by the leader of the US government could be anything but right....are just what you'd expect. I believe the article states things quite well - the actions are questionable, but there is no current international court which could try the case to determine if they do qualify as war crimes. - brandonvan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why are all conservatives hillbillies and all democrats hippies? Have you ever thought discussion can happen without name calling? Dont you feel any responsibility to stand above the fray and discuss topics?
Nope. Im on the internet. - braingilbreath, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12One should not and cannot compare the actions of the U.S. to that of Nazi Germany. To make that comparison is disgusting.
- CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My quick guide to internet discussions:
1. If you disagree with someone, insult them. Good insults include: fanboy, commie/leftie, redneck/hillbilly, or any reference to the poster's mother or size of genitalia
2. If anyone disagrees with you, see point 1 above. Additionally, suggest they should move to China/North Korea/Nazi Germany, where they wouldn't be allowed an opinion.
3. Prevent any rational discussion from starting by pre-emptively attacking people before they get to answer. For example "go ahead, mod me down. Anyone who agrees is a stinking [insert insult here]"
4. Don't let facts, figures or other such bizarre notions get in the way of your rant. If you choose to use any facts, quotes or other material, just pick out the bits that "prove" what you think
5. Be inconsistent and self-contradictory. This makes it more difficult for anyone to make sense of what you said and attempt to counter it. - Tamriel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Did Saddam, Osama, Hitler, etc. physically end all the lives of the people they're blamed for killing? Hell no. But you know for a fact that they knew what they were doing (and probably loved every minute of it.) I don't see Bush as innocent at all. Call it a metaphor, but I think we all know what it means to have the blood of innocent people on your hands...
- leehodge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Today's Lesson: Irony
apetrie: 'Who is this "you people"? What the ***** is wrong with all of YOU' - rodan32, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Hubris, we don't think everything America has done is right. We're just sick of the penis envy the rest of the impotent countries in the world have for us. We don't have to pay for your damn UN, we don't have to provide humanitarian aid to every poor country in the world, and we don't have to defend Western Europe and East Asia. We do, though, and we do it because we think it's right.
America isn't perfect, but it's the best damn thing that ever happened to this world. - pillfred, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Most Americans worry about their kids, health, bills, life in general. Just like people the world over. If i were of a different nationality would my world view differ, no. I have my own ***** to deal with. I think you'll find that most people if questioned have no real idea of what goes on in gov./ world politics. As far as ethnocentric belief systems are concerned, what do you base your beliefs on? And further more most Americans if i recall are not Native Americans. Yeah remember the mmigrants and the waves of immigration. My great grandma came straight from Sweden. As did most of the people here who's grandparents came to this Continent barley a hundred years ago. Quite blaming America for the worlds problems they've been and will be here long after we cease to be the fall guy in power .
- mecole21, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12They should put him and saddam in a steel cage and have the fight to the death, Celebrity Deathmatch Style.
- epinoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There's nothing more irritating than someone who has nothing better to say than 'leave the country' rather than promote discussion, regardless of which side you stand on.
Simply put, quit your bitching. - mfshadow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Our founding fathers were certainly liberals, seeking to rebel against the British theocracy, would you call them traitors as well? Get a clue, the Neocon agenda doesn't include any benefits for you, and if you believe their lies you deserve what you'll get.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yet another lame political article on Digg...
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12It's a well established fact that truth has a liberal bias.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Are you suggesting that the US is single-handedly responsible for advances in science? Their religious fundamentalism is seemingly one of science's largest obstacles!
- Roguecop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Early thirties Germany?
Hardly it is a very apt comparison.
Which explains why the Euro's are deeply suspicious of us... - apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What a joke the majority of you people are. The ant-left, if-you-don't-agree-you're-a-traitor, ***** is reaching hysteria at this point.
If any of you really believe in freedom and democracy then you would support everyones right to their opinions, no matter how much you disagree with them. There is no requirement to subscribe to a particular political ideology to become an American, and for good reason.
All of you going on about the evil left and liberal this liberal that and get out if you "hate America" which is being incorrectly associated with disliking the current administration, you don't deserve what you have. You have no right to say who is an American and who is not, and who loves their country and who does not. You ***** disgust me. - Pacotheparrot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Hurray for another horribly biased Alternet story. Sheesh these guys are like the Bill O'Reilly of the left.
- Roguecop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@datastorageguy
The answer is simple, Bush is in OUR white house, representing our will. Evil dictators in third world countries come a dime a dozen, that's bad news however...
One such dictator existing in our own country must not be tolerated. His crimes are magnified. - Roguecop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Everything bad I see in America I see in people like you, Dirk...
Being a 'good American' demands that we insist our corrupt 'leaders' see justice and due punish for their actions and that our sullied international reputation is restored by renouncing their evil agenda, that the Consitution and Bill of Rights are held as sacred documents that must be adhered to without exception and above all else...
Listening to these right wing nut jobs, I have to ask, 'with fellow Americans like these, who needs terrorists?'
And the smaller they get, the louder they get... - soapboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Interesting article, but like any political commentary of either the left OR right, it is slanted and based on few facts.
George W. Bush is the leader of the United States, which is currently the military superpower of the world. Charges could be raised in an international court, but who would enforce it? While it is widely (both internationally and domestically) that the war in Iraq was premature and mis-managed, there is nothing any other country will do about it diplomatically. The Bush administration is a firm proponent of political Realism, which amounts to the biggest and most powerful states do basically whatever they want.
One of the reasons this war has been so unpopular is history: We live in the information age. Image the scorn the Russians would have received from the international community for invading Afghanistan. I bet most people have never heard the word "Kurd" before this war started, but they have been suffering for decades. The United States has never gassed anyone like Saddam did. The United States never amputated countless innocent villagers like the Congolese or African rebel groups in Somalia, or the groups in Cambodia ever did.
Define what a war crime is first, then come to a conclusion. Get the facts yourself from trusted sources of news, like Associated Press, The Economist, or Reuters, then make your judgments. - erissiva, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@Mrkamikaze - I tried finding anything like this around Fox news and the MSNBC websites. Suprisingly, not a peep. Actually, it seems that Bush is doing a pretty good job. Wow. I've been reading the wrong news sources! This makes me feel so much better.
Thanks, Mrkamikaze!
Oh wait...I just checked some legitimate and mostly unbiased news sources and it seems he's not doing so well. I'm so confused...What should I do Mr. O'Reilly? - Langford, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9War Crimes? I doubt that Bush could be blamed directly for war crimes. There is no doubt that war sucks, but he hasn't engaged in genocide as far as I can tell. I don't know, maybe the prisoner mistreatment, but only if he knew about it, which he probably didn't.
I would like to see him go to jail for his violations against the American constitution and American citizens however. Then leave him in jail as a reminder to future potential leaders, that they are not above the law. - CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"inventing the computer"
The US didn't invent the computer. Nice trolling though... - jbenson2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think you hit the key point. The democrats don't have a platform other than hating Bush. The democrats in Congress have held meetings to try to figure out what they believe in. No success so far. Until the democrats can come up with something that is pro-American that the citizens will support, they will continue to loose the elections again and again.
. - Brownds, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'm not saying Bush is the greatest guy in the world but I have yet to see someone on the Left side of the Political ***** Bandwagon to come up with a better Idea. You'll NEVER hear about the positive things happening in Iraq & Afghanistan because of the one sided media whose only objective is to make Bush look like an ass. Bush worked with the information he had at the time and made a decision which is more than I can say for some people *cough John Kerry *cough. I have served this country going on 10 years and I'm all for going after the monsters of the world from Africa to Afghanistan to all the other Stans. No more touch feely with these bastards because that is what they depend on from us. They'll huff and puff at the world then we'll pay then off to shut-up for a week (i.e. Iran). We, the US and our allies are being played by these ass-hats because they know we'll cave. Bush has one of the toughest jobs in the World no matter who is in office they deserve respect for the jobs they try their best at. If anyone thinks you can do better then prove it!
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