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- Alheithinn, on 09/03/2009, -48/+626Gotta keep 'em dumb. Remember, on election night, McCain's spokesman said that the only chance McCain still had was the ignorant white voter. They know it; they admit it, and we know it too. Education is one weapon you won't find in the Republican arsenal at the moment.
- Mnementh2230, on 09/03/2009, -33/+401And THIS, above all, is why the republican party these days is a complete and utter joke, and needs to be torn apart. When a force actually argues against education, they have proven that their positions are indefensible.
This is not to say that everything conservatives espouse is stupid - I think they have *some* good ideas, just like the democrats have *some* good ideas, but I'm not really a fan of either party, and both have idiots. The republican part merely seems to encourage the creation of MORE idiots. - inactive, on 09/03/2009, -30/+309FACTS HAVE LIBERAL BIAS!!!!
/s - thepoliticalcat, on 09/04/2009, -17/+284I've always maintained that if President Obama cures cancer, the GOP will protest that millions will lose their jobs.
- Disgod, on 09/03/2009, -33/+265Wow, yet further evidence that the Republican party has turned into a child throwing a temper tantrum.
- pixburgher, on 09/03/2009, -24/+227It's actually no secret that conservatives are and have been against education for quite a while. Anti-intellectualism is a staple of Republican ideology. They don't just denounce opposing views, but they *fear* them. Thinkers ranging from Marx and Freud to Peter Singer (all of whom I disagree with in numerous aspects) are not just wrong, they are *dangerous*. Whether this is a result of evangelical Christian hermeneutics which regards texts not as starting points for independent thought, but as end points which provide "truth", or is the result of some other defect I don't know. But the Right's disdain for higher education has never been hidden. I think the extension of this to secondary and even primary education is a more recent phenomenon but is today equally undeniable.
They see that intellectuals are overwhelmingly left-leaning, and rather than observe that this just *might* indicate a problem with conservative thought, they come to the delusional conclusion that the problem lie with intellectualism itself. "If all those people sitting around and thinking critically come to disagree with me, then obviously critical thinking must be avoided!" Post secondary education has been the great evil; and now, insofar as they lead toward and are influenced by trends in post secondary education, primary and secondary education too have become evils. The current imperative now is to avoid the fantastical "indoctrination" of public education and instead unabashedly indoctrinate your own children by homeschooling them, thus putting them in a setting where their beliefs are guaranteed to go completely unchallenged. - Grova, on 09/03/2009, -31/+228http://www.solcomhouse.com/images/bush_told.jpg
That is all.... - smashTasker, on 09/04/2009, -17/+154Conservatism is now the following things:
1. Don't see a doctor unless you are paying out the ass
2. Don't go to school
3. Be afraid of foreigners and immigrants
Now if we actually followed those values we'd end up back in the dark ages. We would use snake oil treatments, become illiterate as a society, and wage war against our neighbors on a regular basis out of raw fear. That's a scary thought. - sarahlee, on 09/03/2009, -10/+141
Reagan preached tax cuts to schoolkids:
http://digg.com/politics/Dear_Conservatives_Reagan ... - Rantus, on 09/04/2009, -15/+126Doesn't this frighten anybody? My dad is 76 years old and he says he's never seen things this ***** up before. He never liked the Republicans because he said that they "never did anything for the little guy" but since Bush he says that they're insane. He says that during WWII and Korea both sides worked together to find reason and solutions but now the right wingers are completely out of control. There's no reason or logic to be found in their actions and that they're a serious threat to the country as a whole. This is a Korean combat vet saying this.
I believe him. - homercles337, on 09/03/2009, -25/+127Just when i thought the right-wing crazy knob was turned all the way up to "10," they show me that the "10" setting is just the beginning because the damn thing goes up to 100!
- cersad, on 09/03/2009, -17/+113This seems to be jumping the gun a little bit. Although Glenn Beck (that voice of anti-reason) id already spewing bile about it, he also mentioned in a linked recording that this address is to take place NEXT WEEK on Sept. 8th.
So they're busy criticizing Obama on things he hasn't even said yet. I wonder when he'll start getting criticized for his speeches planned for 2010? - elcalrissian, on 09/03/2009, -28/+123Absolutely ridiculous.
This kind of Presidential infulence has been around since at least Regan. I remember sit-up challenges and food drives. We spent weeks of curriculum on Earth Day and saving the rain forest. Political interference was part of many 20-40 year-olds in this country, and we all seem to be a pretty politically and morally diverse group. Big whoop. If anything, the kids will welcome something different in their daily routine. Such a non-issue.
"Conservative" has lost any of its traditional meaning.
Liberals will digg this post, and bury my posts against healthcare reform. Can someone help me difine my political views? Im for fiscal responsiblity; limited government in social issues, taxation, and healthcare/education (state's responsibility); socially liberal, and pro-federal government for military, infrastructure, and international trade and policy. Is there a word for me? - Batfishy, on 09/03/2009, -11/+102If Bush had wanted to talk to students I would not have had a fit over it (kids need to learn critical thinking skills and that would have been good practice) nor would I have had paranoid delusions about indoctrination.
Obama speaking to students isn't crazy, just the right wings reaction to it.
Conservative media - laughable, as always. - ennuisquared, on 09/03/2009, -31/+120The GOP is the party of flawless logic.
/*sarcasm*/ - oldhick, on 09/03/2009, -3/+87Where the hell did you get the idea that Obama is asking children to pledge themselves to him?
- falser, on 09/04/2009, -1/+83Chuck Norris' tears can cure cancer. Unfortunately he supports the GOP and therefore will not cry because that is something only a socialist would do.
- rossnyc, on 09/04/2009, -15/+93@Republican party - Can you please hurry up and fizzle out. You're making me sick.
- cersad, on 09/03/2009, -3/+78Please provide evidence of Obama asking kids to pledge allegiance to him. Try to stick to primary sources and documents. Extra credit if you understand the meaning of a primary source.
- dcherryholmes, on 09/04/2009, -3/+75I think of health care as human infrastructure. Why you would think every citizen, regardless of income, is entitled to a lawyer, a teacher, a police officer, a fireman, and soldier but, somehow, not a doctor, is beyond me.
- infectaphibian, on 09/04/2009, -15/+81Republicans are against everything, that is currently what they stand for.
- Insightful, on 09/04/2009, -15/+79GOP: The party of personal responsibility believes they should not be responsible for anything. Sanford, Palin, and Jindal are your latest examples.
- rossnyc, on 09/04/2009, -11/+73It's sad the Republican's throw these temper tantrums and get the attention they want.
Who gives a ***** about them? They're mostly uneducated white people in the middle of the country that are afraid of change and whine and pout about anything Obama or Democrats do.
It's time to stop giving them the attention they get. Last time I checked majority wins in this country and they're outnumbered. - spworm, on 09/04/2009, -6/+67Did you know that being a loon could be seen as a pre-existing medical condition, which could make your health insurance invalid?
- cersad, on 09/03/2009, -5/+65I believe the word is "Ignored."
- tech42er, on 09/04/2009, -0/+56It's pretty weird that people are worried about government influence in PUBLIC schools; it's like government influence in Medicare! if you're so worried that your kids will be "indoctrinated", then why not enroll them in private school?
There is one issue I take with the post. While most of what the conservative blogs were saying was ludicrous (Obama telling kids to stay in school == Mao-esque cult of personality? please...), I actually supported what Meredith Jessup said:
"Teach them that "civic duty" does not mean doing whatever the President wants you to do, but instead, being strong-minded enough to stick to your principles and formulate your own thoughts about the role government should play in our lives "
All kids should be encouraged to think for themselves and think critically and skeptically. Don't just parrot what you've been told, whether by liberals or conservatives. - Alheithinn, on 09/04/2009, -5/+61I'd like to agree that majority rules but President Obama is spending far too much time worrying about whether or not the Republicans agree. I say screw 'em and do what needs to be done, like FDR did.
- pixburgher, on 09/03/2009, -2/+57If Bush had wanted to give a speech to students emphasizing the importance of working hard, applying oneself and studying, I would have applauded him. Despite how much I disagree with his views in general, I could still recognize if he were to say something right!
Now if he took the opportunity to go on about the great importance of National Security and his global War on Terror, then I would take issue. Likewise, IF Obama takes this as an opportunity to make a stump speech about health care, I would completely understand the Right's frustration, and I too would call it inappropriate. However, Obama has stated that that will not be the case.
But this FEAR of Obama is just delusional and, to the slim majority of the country which has apparently not lost its sanity, rather shocking. This assumption that every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie is absurd.
No, not even Bush ever received this treatment. Even with his illegal wiretapping and complete disregard for standards of justice, nobody ever exhibited the sort of cartoonishly exaggerated fear that Obama seems to draw. And while Bush got called out on his lies for justifying the Iraq war and his shady, twisted logic for various violations of the constitution, he never faced this sort of comical skepticism in which in every sentence was found a veiled conspiratorial threat. It is truly pathetic to see the state that Obama's opponents are in right now. - johnnick, on 09/03/2009, -3/+55B&B, let's assume, for a moment, the ridiculous proposition that Obama is going to go on national TV and say something like, "Children of America, I want you to pledge allegiance to me!"
The affect of that will be:
(a) the conversion of all children watching into zombies due to the combination of the hypnotic power of TV and Obama's charisma, regardless of their own beliefs and the immediate and repeated statements from their parents that no one should swear allegiance to the President, or
(b) a collective tune-out by every kid watching it.
Do you really have such little respect for your own children's intelligence and your own parenting skills that you think a single statement like that from a person on TV - even if it is the President - would "indoctrinate" them? - RentalCanoe, on 09/03/2009, -1/+52@bears: where does that article or the video ask children to pledge themselves to President Obama?
- RentalCanoe, on 09/03/2009, -3/+53Please point out where the video asks schoolchildren to pledge to President Obama.
- Batfishy, on 09/03/2009, -5/+55This is why it's impossible to talk to some people. The issue isn't about a pledge of allegiance to Obama.
Come on, B&B, use your brain. Yes, I'm digging you down, but your way off about why. - Batfishy, on 09/03/2009, -4/+53It's made up, as usual. Perhaps WND said it.
- charm803, on 09/04/2009, -16/+64"To those of you who've recieved honors, awards and distinctions, I say well done, and to the C students... I say, you to can be President of the United States."
-President Bush, May 2001, to Yale students.
A proud 'C' student encourages others not to study to hard.
Video:
http://www.depresident.com/george-c-student-bush-v ... - Tocc, on 09/04/2009, -9/+57Should send the parents to school. They might learn something.
- mikemx7f, on 09/04/2009, -0/+47I'm not a fan of Obama but jusien's comment is asinine. As is yours.
- futurepastnow, on 09/04/2009, -3/+50A temper tantrum is exactly what it is. Every modern president has addressed school children, and I suspect "stay in school" has been a recurring theme.
We can expect more of this. Republicans going ***** over every single thing Obama does. - Mnementh2230, on 09/03/2009, -3/+49"Remember, on election night, McCain's spokesman said that the only chance McCain still had was the ignorant white voter."
I'd like to read about this, if you have a relevant link. :) - bjornski, on 09/04/2009, -1/+46Idiocracy wasn't just a movie, it was prophecy.
- topgigmedia, on 09/04/2009, -2/+47Agreed. I don't recall the last administration worrying about the Dems. I say lock them out. They have proven that they do not intend to work on compromise.
- bipolarruledout, on 09/04/2009, -5/+50The neocon party has shown themselves to be nothing more than self serving. They would be in a much better position if they returned to traditional conservatives values but W pretty much destroyed the concept of fiscal responsibility. At least Obama wants to spend the money we don't have on something useful.
- roxgod666, on 09/04/2009, -6/+50Can the remaining smart Republicans alive out there just please start their own party already?
- thepoliticalcat, on 09/04/2009, -4/+47Let me ask you something: Are you clinically insane? Have you been diagnosed with any kind of mental illness or disorder? Because you claiming that Obama will ask children to pledge allegiance to him next week is simply unbelievably reality-challenged. The President has not yet made his speech. How the hell would you know what's in it? All his prior speeches are available online, and I have never heard him say that he wants ANYONE, let alone your precious sproggen, to pledge allegiance to him. Where on earth did you get this information?
- macfan93, on 09/04/2009, -12/+54Everyone time I read an article like this I always think, "Ok, THIS is rock bottom. There's no way that they could say anything more ridiculous." The GOP never ceases to amaze me.
- idoj, on 09/03/2009, -4/+45Right you are, Batfishy. Came straight from WND:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=86695 - uncleosbert, on 09/03/2009, -1/+42and rupert murdoch made that video. you guys have really outdone yourselves this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcPA1ysSbw
"To encourage ever greater levels of service throughout the country, MySpace and Katalyst Media, a production company co-founded by Ashton Kutcher and Jason Goldberg, teamed up with celebrities to record their personal pledges of service. The moving pledges illustrate how they will help make the nationwide change, inspired by President-elect Barack Obama, a reality. Directed by Demi Moore, the videos will be presented to President-elect Barack Obama during the inauguration festivities."
http://www.crunchbase.com/company/myspace
would you care to address that detail? - uncleosbert, on 09/03/2009, -0/+40have you tried the political compass? it's really just a toy, but you might find some insights.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/ - inactive, on 09/04/2009, -3/+42Back in the day everyone did what they could to help the president. That was back when conservatives were literate and people had a lot more self respect than they do now.
"I didn't vote for him but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job." - John Wayne. - spworm, on 09/04/2009, -3/+40You're right. We should get rid of the military.
It only encourages people to depend on the federal government when being attacked by terrorists.
/S --> I added that because you're a moron. - gabrielangel, on 09/04/2009, -0/+37It's much easier to control uneducated people. Better education may not solve all our problems, but it would definitely help out (ex. fewer children that parents can't afford to have in the first place).
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