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- EricCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+55Thats ridiculous, how can you enforce that kind of law?
- vampiregabe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50Children are NOT special and don't need protection from everything.
I swear we are raising children to be a bunch of slutty, arrogant Brittanys or pussified mama-boys.
No wonder the Arabs are going to kick our asses, we are a nation of ***** pansies. - LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46Are you at least 18 years of age?:
Yes! Bring on the young, hot teens!___[ x ]
No! Take me back to Yahoo!________[ _ ] - ChumpChief, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32FTA: "If we can put a man on the moon, we can check ages of people on these Web sites."
I think I'll start using that phrasing from now on when I want one of my assertions of possibility to be accepted without question.
"If we can put a man on the moon, we can provide provide free wi-fi nationwide." - MrShoop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Based on the description of the legislation in the story - it sounds like it would apply to digg as well.
- erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32If we can put a man on the moon we can_____________
1) Increase education all the way through collage.
2) Be able to afford rent AND food...all in the same month
3) Have health care that works
4) Drink beer at work!
4.5) and porn too!
5) Learn from successful governments and adopt our ways
6) Have parents that raise their kids. Any one remember when parents brought up kids? not legislations, laws and fear? - Winters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26The bigger joke here is that a US State is trying to regulate something that is a world wide phenomenon.
Unless a myspace server happens to be in the state, who the ***** are they to say anything about it?
It's like a city councilman trying to regulate the senate. It's embarrassing. - v3rb4t1m, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25haha when i was 15 I was going to bars they never checked my age now they want to verify my age to sign up to a web page.
what a ***** joke! - goeatsmsht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22and fool proof....
- vampiregabe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20@ KAISER44,
Then get rid of the TV, give them a book for once. Be active in your kids lives, stop letting other people raise them. Stop feeding them ***** McDonald's, cook for once. Let them get a cold, play in the dirt, and get hurt for once. Stop trying to make them think the world revolves around them, self esteem is important, but SO IS THINKING AND REALITY.
The government can't run a war in Iraq, but we want them to protect our kids?!?!? - gramercyjam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Sounds like a bill written by a policition who just invested heavily in an age verification startup.
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19"If we can put a man on the moon we can_____________"
... block site access to Connecticut ISPs.
Sorry Connecticut, it's your own government's fault. Remember them next election day. - oskite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18We already have this. It's called COPA. There's no way to fully verify. It's impossible. So this would just be a... reminder?
- skored, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You're exactly right:
"Under the proposal, any networking site that fails to verify ages and obtain parental permission of users under 18 would face civil fines up to $5,000 per violation. Sites would have to check information about parents to make sure it is legitimate. Parents would be contacted directly when necessary." - Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14What a waste.
When I was 12, if any website asked for my age, I would simply fill out that I was born in 1980 or some *****. They're making a big deal out of something so ineffective. - oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13because, after all, if we get rid of myspace, pedophiles will just go away.... heaven forbid we ask the parents to parent.... even thought that might be more successful
- goeatsmsht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13We don't need laws for age checks on websites..... we need active parents knowing what their children are doing on the Internet.
Unfortunately, half of the parents out there still can't program their VCRs so how are they supposed to monitor their kid's Internet use? - raynar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Note to self. Dont look up chicks in Conneticut.
- Condottieri, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14As much as I hate myspace, this bill is *****. How are they going to get parental permission, by having the parents write letters to Tom, asking for their little girl to have a myspace?
Ive gone through plenty websites that require a 'parental email', and all I do is use one of my other emails. - 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13a-*****-men
- erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I guess telling your kids "No, now finish your damn homework" is just WAY to hard.
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Does this supersede interstate commerces laws? because a bill like this was introduced, but died a lonely death because it interfered with interstate commerce laws and also put restrictions on a business. - therippa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Idiot lawmakers. They assume you can just drop your driver's license right into the series of tubes that go to myspace.
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Between this and the porn pop up case, CT looks like it's full of backwards hicks.
- NiteCoder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11-->popdmb
Are you the one who decides what is legitimate? - Spektr4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@retral: Actually, it is COPA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Online_Protection_Act
- oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8just like they ban tag on playgrounds because kids fall and get hurt, rather than teach them to cope with an injury, they'd rather have them walk and be fat. They need to watch their kids.... I mean... if someones 11 year old is meeting 30 year olds on myspace for sex, thats a problem with the parents, not myspace.
- 00Dan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7But..... but.... it's so simple. All you need is a valid credit card and....... Oh, you don't have one? Well then, just print off this form, fill it out and mail us a copy along with your drivers licence and a utility bill. We promise nobody will assume your identity and in 6 short weeks you'll receive your own PIN in the mail.
PS: It's a federal felony if a minor uses your personal PIN, so make certain you keep it safe.
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*Netnanny has blocked access to this site* - vanityfarewell, on 10/12/2007, -13/+20We should just get rid Myspace all together.
- Leomarth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@kaiser
Unfortunately, we are also ignoring history. Historically people grew up around the age of 11 to 13. People took on adult responsibilities, including raising families at those ages in times gone by. What we have now is an effect of people wanting a better life for their kids than what they had; which is an ok gesture. Unfortunately, we want to force a better life on them instead of opt for them. We want to keep our children as children up until their 20's if we can! And what has that given us? 20 and 40 year old children.
I'm with Vampiregabe on this one. It's choices like this, to protect children from growing up, that is causing a downfall in our society. You say that children are not prepared to deal with issues like this; and I agree. However, you probably (correct me if I'm wrong) believe that they're not prepared for it because they're children. I say that they are not prepared for it because we don't allow them to be prepared for it.
I'll probably be dugg down because what I say sounds too much like saying "LEGALIZE SEX WITH KIDS!"... but that's not really what I'm saying. I'm saying lets stop handicapping our children's maturity and emotions so we can still pretend that they're the cuddly little things they were when they were three. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@erikerikerik:
Unlike Japan, who looks to other governments and systems around the world and copies the best ones, we prefer to do things alone and by ourselves, and blatantly ignore all statistics that show that we're at the bottom of the rung in many of the things we do.
It's one thing to do something wrong and admit that you're doing it wrong. It's another to disregard all statistics and keep blindly pushing on in the wrong direction because of pride. And that's what our government likes to do. - DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think you, along with Connecticut, are missing the point here. MySpace can create an age check if it wants to. The can hide the personal info of anyone who isn't 16. What happens when these kids turn 16 and are magically dumped into Big Kid Land? They will still be just as unprepared to deal with pedophiles as they were before this whole thing. Granted, now that they're 16, they'll be a bit too old for most pedos, but now the regular old stalker guys can move in. See, there is no upper age limit or back ground check for the older members. This means that the creepy guys can still get on. Plus, what if the creepy guys are (heaven forbid) smart enough to lie about their age? What if they forge an email from their "parents" saying that 14 year old 'sum41roxxors' can join their site.
The problem isn't the kids, its the predators. And there's really no way to stop them without closing the site. Maybe, you should ask your kids why they're going to the park after school. When they tell you to shut up and leave them alone because you don't understand them anyway, you should probably make them stay home. Since they're kids, like you said, treat them as such and be a ***** parent to them. - Civil44, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Because we all know age checks are full proof......
- DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ TehAdamz0r
If you wanted to turn his quote against him accurately, it would have been like this:
"Sorry America, it's your own government's fault. Remember them next election day."
So, it's not Connecticut or America's, fault their respective governments are stupid. However, if they don't change them, they're culpable.
Now, lets leave the non-sequitor America bashing out of this and agree that Connecticut does not run the internet. - ldkronos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@TehAdamz0r
Can you read? He said it was the government's fault, not the citizens. But he told the citizens to remember that when it comes voting time.
Same holds true for US government. What's happened is the government's fault, and with the huge churn in the last election, it seems the citizens remembered that. - Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@TehAdamz0r
One might say thats how representative government works, but it's not really the issue here. Bocking Connecticut wouldn't be just some sort of revenge, or a punishment of it's citizens, it would have a purpose:
1. The people of Connecticut would complain to their government if enough websites blocked them.
2. How successful would a site like Digg have been if the first screen of registration required a social security number, drivers license, and/or a credit card?
3. Giving special treatment to Connecticut would make it more complected to serve not just other states, but hard to serve an international market. Site owners would either have to do a reverse lookup on everyone (and assume it was truthful), or apply archaic and/or somehow universal method to all.
4. Simply blocking them is the simplest solution, and for many small web site owners (blogs for example), the only affordable solution. - DorkmasterFlek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It didn't when you were required to have a university/college email. Now any idiot with a Hotmail account can get on it. Facebook is becoming the new MySpace; the home of angst-filled teenagers everywhere.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How about they tell the parents to do their ***** job. Sick and tired of all this baby sitting going on in America.
- triskaid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, if you're going to enforce age verification to go onto myspace, maybe you should pass a law to verify your age before you go outside too.
The problem isn't the age of the people going online. The problem is... whatever is happening that is the problem. - supaphly42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4they've shown that most myspace users are in their mid-20's to 30's, if i recall correctly
- oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yea, one time, but then they could monitor whatever we do whenever we do it... personally, i don't want someone knowing what health problem i'm researching, what political journals i'm reading, or even what kind of porn i like to look at.
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Internet glory days are over,ONCE IT HAS BECOME A TOOL OF LEGITIMATE COMMERCE IT CAN NEVER BE THE SAME.
Get used to it, You will not even recognize it in 10 yers. - kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@VAMPIREGABE, Sounds like you're parents did a wonderful job, I may be reading a little to muh in the e-mail but you seem a little tense, you have never heard the term defining deviency down.
We as a society have reached a point where bad is good, right is wrong and you are a perfect example of it.
I can tell by you're e-mail you have some real problems with any kind of emotional stop signs, I would presume you are either in therapy or need to be
Sounds like you are defending predators a little to much, by blaming society or parents. GET SOME HELP - Ender2007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Same logic
China = communists
Iraq = terrorists
America = idiots
France = pansies
and so on and so forth...
Let's all generalize the whole based on the publicized few. (in case you can't tell, sarcasm) - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's good to see that there are parents that monitor their kids' online activity.
- codyman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Facebook doesn't have this problem (or at least didn't) since it required the use of a college email
- whiterussian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I didn't read the article, but I don't see how this guy Connecticut Bill can force people to give their age. He must use a lot of brute force.
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ leomarth, I am not for keeping children children, I am for keeping them safe and informed. YES-it is up to the parents to keep children safe but it is also up to society to set some guidelines that protect children, no one can say that our society has gotten better over the last 30 years.
Schools failed, all of the parents fault no,
Crime, violent crime in children, all the fault of the parents no.
std,s more education then ever, still on the rise.
children born out of wedlock
1 parent families, this society has degenerated over the years and passing a bill for age qualifications will not cure many of the problems that face kids today, but it can not hurt.But I will say the government is more complicit in the bad then they have been for the good of protecting children.I DO BELIEVE PARENTS HAVE BEEN ABSENT FOR THE MOST PART IN THE CHILDRENS LIVES, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
Parents have abdicated in most cases the responsibility of the welfare of there children to others. - PatrickX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This law is ridiculous and the lawmakers are stupid for thinking that it is even possible. This isn't something like openid. Openid is about identity verification and this is talking about age verification... two very different problems. Identity verification doesn't check that you are who you say you are, it just checks that you are the person associated with a particular ID.
There's simply no way to verify age on the internet without some sort of massive central database that doesn't currently exist. You can say credit cards, but minors can pretty easily get access to one, and even own one in some cases. Plus, there are many adults who don't have a credit card so you'd need an additional verification system anyway. Any kind of non-automated system, like faxing a birth certificate, is obviously infeasible due to volume considerations.
You could maybe do something with social security numbers, but not only would nobody agree to give out that kind of information for a social website, but more importantly there would need to be a secure protocol set up by the government that all websites could use to verify SS #s. This is not a technology issue like they are trying to make it out to be by moronically comparing it to a moon landing... it's a structural issue that currently has no solution. - stangy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3These guys aren't stupid. They realize this is a pointless law that will never be enforced and probably get shot down by SCOTUS.. but guess what.. now they can go back and tell the religious right that they passed this law. That's how you get re-elected.
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