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Congressman: "I Hope It’s Your Family That Suffers" From A Terrorist Attack
thinkprogress.org — Video at ThinkProgress. At a hearing last week, audience members groaned at a remark made by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) about torturing alleged terror suspects. Rohrabacher told the audience members, "Well, I hope it's your families, I hope it's your families that suffer the consequences."
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- shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -33/+177Seriously, can we start drug testing these conservatives? They are out of their mind.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -16/+99Well, at the very least, I think he deserves a recall and perhaps a nice padded cell.
Any American wishing any other American to suffer additional terrorism is a terrorist and a traitor in the truest sense of the word. - goldfenix, on 10/12/2007, -11/+125Prior to watching the video, I thought, "No way, these guys are taking this out of context or something. Certainly the guy can't be totally crazy, right?"
Turns out I am *way* too optimistic. :( - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -10/+74Compassionate Conservatism at its finest!
Seriously... what a ***** prick. - knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -10/+55Wishing strife and tragedy upon others. Always a classy rebuttal.
- crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -42/+12Wow... Normally these are excerpt quotes that could be used in a misleading manor. Not this one, no way, this is just down right disturbing. Nobody who cares about peoples safety would say something like that.
Frankly torture is necessary but in my opinion only when you have something solid to connect them with some terrorist group in the first place. Solid means video evidence crap like that, not visiting a mosque, or being related to someone, or even a name.
This man is out of control, he represents the government, every word he says is a reflection of the US as are the words of every elected official. - shug7272, on 10/12/2007, -54/+14I would have said the same thing. If I was trying to protect a country and all people did was bitch and moan and piss I would hope it would be the "bitch" families that got hit as well.
- KiTchMe, on 10/12/2007, -11/+40You can tell he's a very hateful person. And, it's too bad that we let these politicians use "they hate our way of life", and "they don't like the freedom" in order to push their agendas. This is how wars start. People eventually start believing this, but the truth is, nobody hates American way of life, nobody hates our freedom, but instead they don't like being oppressed due to our foreign policy that's very often hypocritical.
- JK1150, on 10/12/2007, -32/+10Would you feel bad if a Mayor cut funding for firefighters so much that when a small fire started in his house it burned down? The Congressman is right in saying that his colleagues need to start thinking about the risks of their actions, because even they can be affected.
- Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Not only that - this foul beast is also lousy at public speaking.
FFS - missed a perfect opportunity to be poignant about head-in-sandism.....
and then basically THREATENS a family.
Idiot.
Recall.
Now! - Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@crzdm
I hope it's you who doesn't get torchured for 'allegedly' being involved in terrorism. - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21crzdmn,
Torture is necessary, eh? WRONG. DEAD WRONG.
Remember: With what measure ye mete, with the same shall it be meted unto you again.
Mend your ways. - RobN, on 10/12/2007, -29/+6So focus on the comment, and ignore the debate -- how typically liberal.
The issue is, is it worth it to wrongfully imprison one innocent person in order to catch many more people that are intent on killing you? That's a legitimate question, and people can have legitimate disagreements on it. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle -- I'd say go ahead and apprehend people, but sort them out quickly and make sure cases of mistaken identity are dealt with swiftly, to minimize the impact to the innocent.
But if you have a chance to capture a terrorist and you miss that chance, what's going to happen if that person later kills people? The government will be blamed for not doing enough, just as Bush was blamed for not doing enough to stop 9/11. If you're advocating letting people go if there's a hint of uncertainty, then be prepared to live with those consequences -- which may include terrorist acts that kill many more innocents.
Likewise, if you're willing imprison those you're not sure of, then be prepared to live with those consequences -- that someone you love (or you yourself) may be caught up in the dragnet.
Neither of those options is ideal, but since we're dealing with fallible human beings, mistakes will be made in one direction or the other (or both). Which is worse? THAT is the legitimate debate we should be having.
And if you're among those who advocate letting all the people from Guantanamo and other prisons go free, then if those people go out and kill innocents, I'd sure rather see your kids among the innocent victims than see my own kids among them. I don't think that makes me "out of my mind." It may be crass to actually come out and say it, but surely you're all thinking it, or a variation of it. - Metasquares, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@Shug7272:
You suggest that there is no way to protect the country without torturing suspects. - vhold, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Ok, it's obviously a stupid thing to say, and is actually mean-spirited and distasteful, but for the love of reasonableness can people quit pretending as if this congressman -literally- wants terrorists to attack some particular person? People use this low-brow tactic all the time without truly intending personal harm.
Cold blooded libertarian: "Why should we feed the homeless? It costs too much and it keeps them dependent, besides the administrative waste is immeasurable."
Bleeding heart liberal: "I hope you end up homeless."
The 2nd person most likely doesn't really want the the 1st person to become homeless, and they certainly won't strive to actually see their so called "hope" fulfilled. They just want the first person to see things from a different perspective then their own. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The best way to combat ignorant politicians with no foresight is a witty comeback to their inane comments. For instance:
"Well, I hope it's your families, I hope it's your families that suffer the consequences."
To that I would say back to her, "Well, I hope it's your families, I hope it's your families that are the ones tortured." - crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4@rickler, @laserblazer
Torture is one of those interesting things that will never go away. Your parents torture you as a child just not in the definition everyone puts behind it. Your teachers torture you at school just not in the way people think of torturing terrorists.
Forcing anyone to do something or experience something they do not want to IS torture, and as I said before torture IS necessary. It's how you learned not to do things when you were a child.
Do you think spanking a 4 year old for doing something wrong is not torture?
Do you think confining a young child to a room with nothing to entertain their growing mind is not torture?
Do you think parents fighting in front of their children is not torture?
Is limiting a child's freedom because of their age while others are not limited torture?
Yes all of those things are torture, just in different aspects, those aspects are necessary in life for many reasons. So I will say it again, torture IS necessary.
Anyone who believes they came from a life and that any one of those four questions mentioned above didn't occur is lying.
Anyone who believes things like that didn't shape their lives and make the the GOOD OR BAD person they are today is a liar.
We are all products of torture, some more extreme than others, learn to live with it. - BeefBaron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Should be their families that suffer.
Snotty rich kids who never have to lift a finger and inherit their daddy's multinational corporations, they damn well should suffer. - smackywentz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@crzdmn
All you did was cite different examples of varying extremes of torture. That does nothing to explain, in your opinion, why it is necessary. - psyckboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@crzdmn
tor·ture
–noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
Sorry, none of your examples really qualifies as torture. Unless you are talking about actual child abuse, which we should certainly not "learn to live with". - SherlockReport, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6The whole war on terror/war of terror is a fraud, based on a myth which is the official conspiracy theory about what happened on 9/11 in New York and 7/7 in London. It's called FALSE FLAG terrorism, or in other words INSIDE JOB!
The War on Terror is a Fraud, Winnipeg Sun, Canada
http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Columnists/Gleeson_John/2007/04/13/4002082.html
Scholars debate 9/11 findings, Edmonton Sun, Canada
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2007/04/18/4055871-sun.html
The War on Terror is Bogus, UK Guardian
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html
9/11 Synthetic Terror - Made in the USA by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119638.pdf - frprod, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1I side with him..he's just pissed that everyone is trying to be politically correct & preventing progress.
He's just saying that he doesn't want to pay the price for them wanting to be politically correct rather than do what's necessary. - BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9 First of all, if the speaker studied origins of Radical Islamism in Egypt and Syria, he'd know that the very people that developed it, did so as a result of having undergone torture that got them disillusioned and feeling betrayed by their own governments.
Also, pointing out the necessity of innocent sacrifice in itself makes this speaker sound like a terrorist. And he's mentioning 1 to 50 ratio of innocent to guilty and 20 000 potential casualties if the measures aren't taken. If only that was the case. He's pulling numbers out of his ass to sell a statement. In reality I wouldn't be surprised if it was 20 000 people that got wrongfully persecuted, 50 imprisoned and executed, with only 1 of them actually being a terrorist.
How many criminals has this witch hunt got us so far? Apparently not too many, since they're still allowed to make speeches in the House Of Foreign Affairs. - tidu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What a dick, he says it's fine to doubt their torture schemes, then says "there are people who hate america" as if "America" is those who support torture and who support the administration. *****. It's completely opposite.
- pgoetz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@RobN
Exactly. This is exactly how fascists think. What you're telling us in so many words is that fascism is A-OK. History, unfortunately, has not been terribly kind to societies that adopted this kind of thinking. What's wrong with it? Well, for one thing it ends the rule of law. Once the government can arbitrarily lock up and torture people that haven't even been accused of a crime, what's to stop them from doing the same to you? Second, this kind of behavior is dehumanizing, leading to an ever more unstable and violent society. To mention just one recent example, when was the last time someone in Europe shot 30 of his classmates, *****? No connection, you say? I would suggest you're simply to feeble-minded to see the connection. - ryanissuper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@RobN
You managed to spew out all that ***** and not once mention torture. Way to change the topic and how typically conservative.
People are pissed because the United States is torturing people. Seriously, ***** torture!
What are we, the Spanish Inquisition?!!?
So much for the moral high ground. - linuxrebel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm sorry but as a die hard libertarian, I'd hardly consider any of these neo-con anti-constitutionalists to be in the least bit conservative. They are IMHO as liberal as any other Socialist/Fascist out there.
- mitzip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3NEO-conservatives... thank you.
This *****/war of terror/NWO crowd are NEO-conservatives.
Paleo-conservatism (small government, small budget, isolationist (for the most part) foreign policy) is real conservatism. - crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@psychboy and any others who want to post a definition for me without knowing the meaning of all words used
"
tor·ture
–noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
"
an·guish /ˈæŋgwɪʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ang-gwish] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. excruciating or acute distress, suffering, or pain: the anguish of grief.
–verb (used with object)
2. to inflict with distress, suffering, or pain.
–verb (used without object)
3. to suffer, feel, or exhibit anguish: to anguish over the loss of a loved one.
All of what I mentioned is anguish. - Rodzirra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, Giant Douche really went far since those school elections... I wonder what his old opponent, Turd Sandwich, got up to.
- slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2First thing I did when I clicked the article was scan for (R-state). I couldn't help but snicker when I spotted it.
- audiowizard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what a douche.
- shug7272, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@metsquares
No I am not saying that.... at all.. I am opposed to it. My point is what is the last thing the gov. did to protect its citizens that WASNT bitched about. I am far from a bush supporter, but any human would get tired of hearing how dumb they are... and as dumb as they may be US soil has been safe lately. It probably would have been anyway but we will never know that for sure.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -16/+99Well, at the very least, I think he deserves a recall and perhaps a nice padded cell.
- vatosplace, on 10/12/2007, -27/+76Never vote for anyone that is or was a member of the GOP ever again.
- bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17I think that's a dumb statement but... I can't, in good conscience, vote republican this time around because it will just be encouraging these people. If they get re-elected they be like, "See, I told you we were right all along." Until they all get kicked from office we'll just keep maintaining this horrible status quo.
- slezzzter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That's what primaries are for. When the party's own members kick out the incumbents, it sends a more powerful message than a general election loss.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10i guess they took down the vid 'cause of the diggwidth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNXbEEIYx3Q
a representative of the people, wishing terror upon his constituency.
i .. am .. outraged
fear, uncertainty, and doubt - don't vote on it. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3It's fascism vs. socialism. With either party you're still going to get tons of government control. I can't, with a good conscience, vote for either of them.
- monmon1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here here,, from the mouth of a former college republican..
- ryanissuper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@masamunecyrus
Really? You would have that much trouble deciding between fascism and socialism. So modern day Netherlands and Nazi Germany would just be a toss up on places to live?
- hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -19/+57This idiot is an inhuman fool. Par for the course for this generation of Republicans.
- CaptainNoPants, on 10/12/2007, -12/+83That's a disgusting comment regardless of the political affiliation behind it.
- Plinkotic, on 10/12/2007, -17/+18It's getting thick with bashery in here, methinks... but yeah, the GOP is currently an evil, incompentent, religious mess. The Dems aren't shining knights, but if they steal the car, the approval ratings show people believe it'll come back in one piece.
Just saying. I miss Goldwater. - knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2i wish people would quit saying, "just saying".
hey, just sayin' - brockpetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@Plinkotic
I agree. If Goldwater saw the state of his party today, he'd go ***** ballistic. It has become everything he spoke against.
- Plinkotic, on 10/12/2007, -17/+18It's getting thick with bashery in here, methinks... but yeah, the GOP is currently an evil, incompentent, religious mess. The Dems aren't shining knights, but if they steal the car, the approval ratings show people believe it'll come back in one piece.
- meshman, on 10/12/2007, -13/+25"Since you won't listen to my insane ravings, I'll threaten your family by resorting to even more insane ravings. So There! Oh, and you're all treasonous terrorist lovers that hate America. Thank you, vote Republican!"
- jackelsmack, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38If I had been at that hearing when he said that I would've jumped up, yelled obscenities and threw my feces at him. It was hard to control my anger just watching it. To any ignorants who vote for that monster next year: may your servers be forever *****.
- DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -17/+11Talk about taking a break from reality, Republicans take the prize!
Which is why they should never be allowed anywhere near the seat of Gov't or anywhere near our CHILDREN!!!
These psychopaths belong in the Looney bin!- Plinkotic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Dude, calm down. Place the hatred on actual faces, the idiots are easily found. I don't mean find and beat them, I mean don't over generalize. There are decent people out there who are republicans. Just like Patton Oswalt says there's Gay Retards.
There has to be, right? - buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great, as soon as we hear Republicans speaking out against this statement, then we will know which Republicans are the decent, good ones.
*listens hard, only hears crickets chirping* - bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dana: "Well I hope it's your families that suffer the consequences...
Man: You mean of a government gone mad that used to stand for at least a small amount of decency?
Dana: No, I mean if the terrorists destroy you and your families.
Man: You mean like a government that is systematically destroying the middle class?
Dana: No, if they blow you up! It'll be your fault!
Man: Oh, like the balloon payment on the mortgage because of the sinking dollar owing to bad fiscal policy of the Federal Reserve?
Dana: What's your name, mister? We have places for people like you!
Man: Does this mean I'm on the no fly list now?
- Plinkotic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Dude, calm down. Place the hatred on actual faces, the idiots are easily found. I don't mean find and beat them, I mean don't over generalize. There are decent people out there who are republicans. Just like Patton Oswalt says there's Gay Retards.
- Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Looks like another "Macaca" moment.
Really makes it easy for whoever gets tapped to make your opponent's commercials. Thanks, Dana.- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5No one loses an election in CA. Both sides have collaborated in drawing up districts to make sure of it.
- duggudown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He's from the Orange County, Ca and he'll get elected again and again....Just look at the politics there...
This is a scary quote....
"we’re talking about a minuscule number of people here as compared to the number of people who are being protected"
compared to the us population Yes, 200 is a small number but also 1000, or 10,000 is a small number next to 300,000,000 people living in the U.S....
If he ran things we'll fill up Guantanamo bay by tomorrow.... - PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"No one loses an election in CA. Both sides have collaborated in drawing up districts to make sure of it."
geekee couldn't be more dead on......i just wish it wasn't rorbacher who has a cushy position, i can't stand much more of his *****.....the man is your typical orange county wealthy waspy douchebag....he also surfs alot (douche) and wants to protect the orange county coastline, BUT THINKS GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH.
- sysoprock, on 10/12/2007, -11/+97Republican campaign strategies over time:
2004: "If you don't vote for us the terrorists will kill you."
2007: "If you don't vote for us we hope the terrorists kill you."
2008: "If you don't vote for us we will ***** kill you."- goldfenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+62192: "Vote for us or we will totally gray goo your house."
- jhnewt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+82216: "Vote for us or we'll direct an asteroid into your moon colony."
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+62298: "Hey, look here in my history encyclopedia computer- those "republicans" (as they were called 300 years ago) were ***** crazy!"
- mexter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+72260: "President Clark has signed a decree today declaring martial law."
- retardojesus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26How patriotic of him. The founding fathers would be so proud
- usrlocalbin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11What part of 'thou shall not kill' don't these so called 'Christians' understand?
Maybe there's a footnote that I missed, something about 'unless you really really want to' ??
If I said that I was a Christian, I sure as hell would at least TRY to act like it....
I like the comment on the page with the video,
"A lot of people Hate Neocons, not Americans." - guardsman85, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@usr
Actually, what you may not understand is that the Ten Commandments say to not murder...not kill. There are plenty of times in the Bible where death is the prescribed punishment for offenses. Just check out Leviticus if you want a few. Irregardless, I would agree that Christ wouldn't wish terrorist attacks on anyone.
- usrlocalbin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11What part of 'thou shall not kill' don't these so called 'Christians' understand?
- chargerman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Yes, I think we all agree we dont want our families hurt....but some of us actually want to think of a solution that doesnt downgrade us by making us torture! There has to be a better way to fight this!
- Newportbeachguy, on 10/12/2007, -30/+5Yes.. I agree with all of you, he should not have said that disgusting remark. As said that, the torturing of terrorist should go on.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14That sounds like terrorist talk to me... I say we torture and then lynch newportbeachguy, since he meets my arbitrary and confidential definition of a terrorist... (which is that I disagree with what he has to say)
- crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@WiseWeasal
First step in me agreeing with torturing terrorist is having real public evidence. What you said sounds just like our current politicians, as for why people hate us and why there are terrorists out to get americans, try thinking about how many families WE have destroyed with our meaningless wars. You know families the things we lost in Sept 11th, the primary emotional backing that allowed our government to get where it is today. - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5newportbeachguy,
May God have mercy on your soul, for posterity will not.
- Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -17/+17Not to condone her comments, but isn't this roughly the same as those on Digg who wish Cheney to have a heart attack, or Bush to choke to death on the pretzel? I just want to make sure we're on a level playing field here.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Digg is populated by elected officials with direct effects on policy? I had no idea!
I'd just like to say you're all doing a rotten job, from where I'm sitting. Get off the computer and get back to work, you slackers! I'm payin' your salaries! - crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Major difference is I don't represent the US government. End of story.
Now that that is said, Cheney can have a heart attack (and I bet the national terrorist threat goes down right after too).
Now that Cheney is out of the way, IMPEACH BUSH!
Only some people like hearing "President Bush", but nobody wants to hear "President Cheney" - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14i don't know. wishing harm on someone who is causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people for the sake or profit is hardly the same as wishing harm on someone who is concerned about torturing people. i'm not an advocate of violence but there are certain people who seem to be above the law and operate with impunity. it's frustrating to witness people profit from death, lie, invade our privacy, and take away our rights without repercussions.
- dotlizard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5wellll, yes, technically it is wrong to wish physical harm on anyone, but call me crazy, it just seems less bad when directed at bush & cheney & co., if for no other reason than the death toll from their lies. and for the most part we don't wish death upon their families, so there's that.
other than that you're absolutely right, we're just as evil as Rep. Rohrabacher. it's just exactly the same.
[edited: didn't mean to be redundant, pintomp3 just types faster] - Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Never said anything about elected officials or not, I just said it's on the same level. So if Digg users wish harm upon ANY elected official, Republican or Democrat, they are no better then this person. That was my point.
- crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@wargalas
So you're saying that me expressing my PERSONAL distaste and hatred toward lying scheming politicians in a violent way on DIGG is somehow comparable to an elected politician saying "I Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer" during a recorded House Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing that includes members of foreign governments?
I don't think so. - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6wargalas,
Not even close to parallel. People generally wish harm on traitors (in fact, the law mandates it). Bush and Cheney are traitors that have made a mockery of America, killed her sons and daughters and endangered the world with their bellicose machinations.
The monster that is the topic of this thread wished grievous injury on political detractors, guilty or innocent.
Your 'point' is malformed. - Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1@crzdmn
So you're saying that me expressing my PERSONAL distaste and hatred toward lying scheming politicians in a violent way on DIGG is somehow comparable to an elected politician saying "I Hope It’s Your Families That Suffer" during a recorded House Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing that includes members of foreign governments?
I don't think so.
If you're personal distaste and hatred towards those people is in a violent way, YES it is comparable. Perhaps you're letting your hatred blind you to the fact you hate these people enough for it to become violent (your words). Perhaps if you reread what I wrote, you'd understand. Unless you want to add me to that list of "personal distaste and hatred."
Wargalas - dotlizard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"If you're [sic] personal distaste and hatred towards those people is in a violent way, YES it is comparable."
well, except that wishing a heart attack on a heart patient, or a pretzel-choking on an idiot, is not exactly violent. it's not polite, but it isn't violent either. - crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@warglas
"Roughly the same" is far from true, it will never be the same when AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A COURTROOM WITH AN INTERNATIONAL PRESENCE.
As for you, you are ignorant, I have no violent intentions for you.
Bush and Cheney's actions have cost the lives of friends, family and many I do not know Iraqi, American, Pakistani, Iranian, British, French, Russian and many other nationalities. They have lied to all of the world, not just America to promote their personal agenda's.
Someone elected these people to office to run our country based on events, facts and needs of the people. Nobody elected them to make up stories and when caught backtrack and try to change them.
Clinton was impeached for getting a bj in the oval office and lying about. Bush and Cheney get nothing for lying repetitively to the world, killing thousands in the wake all for personal financial gain.
@dotlizard
Good point, very true, but apparently wishing impeachment is too :) I've been to focused on this guys ignorance to pay attention to the verbal attacks on me. - Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@crzadm
"Roughly the same" is far from true, it will never be the same when AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A COURTROOM WITH AN INTERNATIONAL PRESENCE.
As for you, you are ignorant, I have no violent intentions for you.
Bush and Cheney's actions have cost the lives of friends, family and many I do not know Iraqi, American, Pakistani, Iranian, British, French, Russian and many other nationalities. They have lied to all of the world, not just America to promote their personal agenda's. Someone elected these people to office because to run our country based on events, facts and needs of the people. Nobody elected them to make up stories and when caught backtrack and try to change them. Clinton was impeached for getting a bj in the oval office and lying about. Bush and Cheney get nothing for lying repetitively to the world, killing thousands in the wake all for personal financial gain.
Congress voted for this war, including your favorite politician Hillary Clinton. Congress has access to the exact same intelligence that the President does. They authorized it, he took the ball and ran with it, for better or worse. If Hillary or any Democrat, had reservations about the war, they should have spoken up or voted against the war. Would you like to talk about lies that politicians give? How about Bill Clinton telling the American public that he did everything he could to stop Bin Laden, when he lied about that and allowed Bin Laden to live because of a financial deal with the UAE?
http://www.rightwinglunatic.com/2007/01/bin-laden-allowed-to-escape-for.html
Where's all this "personal financial gain" that Bush and Cheney are getting from this war? Surely there's got to be a money trail somewhere right??
This is all getting off track of the original subject though. Wishing harm to ANYONE is wrong, regardless of political office held or political party, even if it's a heart attack or a pretzel or a gunshot.
As a side note, I'm adding you to my friends list. I enjoy a good debate! - ryanissuper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The difference is, if there were a just god, Dick Cheney would have a heart attack.
- crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ryanissuper
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The personal financial gain comes from the entire Bush family's money being tied up in Saudi oil in some way or another. These companies that surprise, have profited immensly from the decline of oil ouput in iraq caused by the war.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0111-01.htm
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Digg is populated by elected officials with direct effects on policy? I had no idea!
- nastronomical, on 10/12/2007, -33/+7Freedom of speech! If you dont like it leave America. No Lib had a prob when Harry Reid stabbed our soldiers in the back. According to many of you it was Freedom of speech. well so is this!!!
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16So let me see here. According to you, there's no difference in someone saying, "this vehicle is unsafe and should be scrapped" and "I hope you die in a fiery car wreck?"
Methinks you need to do some serious self-examination. - WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm not saying this congresscritter should be crucified, but getting them tossed out at the next election is a good start... Just like this douchebag is free to say what he said, we're free to let everyone know about it so he doesn't get re-elected...
- kingrooster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No one is seriously advocating that he be put in jail for his comments. He has the freedom to speak. He also has the freedom to totally ruin his political career by getting angry at people that are groaning over the idea that we have to accept the torture of innocent people as just part of "war". At some point, we really missed the boat. There was a time we took pride in NOT torturing POW's. Now if you even make a few disapproval noises, they hope the terrorists come kill your family. But hey, whatever man, it's alright. We're not fighting the war, right? It's not our homes being obliterated. It's not our moms, dads, brothers and wives that are getting tortured and killed for no reason so what the hell do we care? As long as I can watch American Idol and eat some McDonald's, it's all good!
- AK10, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nodody said he shouldn't have the RIGHT to say it. It is however a disgusting thing to say.
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's lame.. Of course you have the freedom to say stupid things -- this moron didn't get arrested -- but at the same time, we have the freedom to deride these idiots who insist that the war on terror trumps everything else and gives the Bush Administration the right to do anything they want.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16So let me see here. According to you, there's no difference in someone saying, "this vehicle is unsafe and should be scrapped" and "I hope you die in a fiery car wreck?"
- BlvdKing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Scumbag.
- Newportbeachguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@warsgalas
I have a secret.....Dana is a male....- Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Thanks for clearing that up for me. Now take your medication, you're starting to come out of your hallucinations. :)
- Sambone67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7The fact that he would say something so distasteful is evidence of an insecure, unstable little man who bet on the wrong horse.
- jmpeagle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10if that guy was alive 230 years ago...we would still be under British rule because sacrificing liberty for the sake of security would be his motto.
- seanrbaker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Doesn't surprise me. I happen to believe in pressuring terrorists (note: not American citizens) for information, but it's fools like this that give conservativism a bad face. No surprise that the Democrats have control of Congress.
- ronito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I swear america needs new laws to make recalls easier. Most other countries would have this guy out in heartbeat.
- crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Political ties are the worst thing that happened to this country, I can claim to be a republican and promise to fight Iran next for the hell of it. And if I get into office, I could pull our troops from the middle east immediately. Does my political ties stop me from making that decision, nope, it's still up to me.
With that said:
DOWN WITH POLITICAL PARTIES!
VOTE FOR THE PERSON NOT FOR THE PARTY.
---- on a different note... anyone notice the lack of captcha images on digg? - goggleBOX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Not to point out the obvious but... If you torture people your enemies know that it is fair game to torture your civilians. In fact, torture usually provides a good incentive to "get even". You not only lose the moral high ground but you promote the torture of your own. Only a fool believes that torture is an effective means.
conspiracy side note: Oh and anyone wanting to prolong a war that is providing unparalleled cash flow into your own pocket.- smackywentz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They should change it from "You hate America!" to "You hate my yacht and caviar!"
- Lightflickerzon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0That guy in the back is ***** creepy! Watch him blink!
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's always good to see digg users paying attention to the important things.
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's always good to see digg users paying attention to the important things.
- lacyshoes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2That's ok, everyone slips up from time to time in the public eye. Check out this where amazon recommeded someone kill themselves: http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Amazon_in_Canada_Recommends_Killing_Yourself
Hilarious! - lopla, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6She is no doubt a staunch evangelical christian, yet wants people to suffer. So christian of her isn't it??
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6who is this "she" you're referring to? This congressman is a man, baby, yeah!
(at least, technically he's a man... mentally he's more akin to a retarded chimp.)
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6who is this "she" you're referring to? This congressman is a man, baby, yeah!
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Well, I hope it's your families, I hope it's your families that suffer the consequences."
Since when should people not not be responsible for the consequences of their actions? Title is inaccurate since torture doesn't produce reliable information. Therefore there is no advantage to torturing. Therefore not torturing will produce no consequence to anyone that is different than if people were tortured.- Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2That didn't not not make sense.
- leejae, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I think a lot of people are missing the point here. We are talking about REAL WORLD benifits and costs. The cost is mistakenly taking innocent people and torturing them to get out information. BUT the benefit is that America does catch the right people sometimes and gets information out of them to stop thousands of lives from being killed. Now, is this a cost we are willing to pay to save the lives of thousands? Or do we want to take a more ethical route that will treat prisoners right but may cause the death of innocent people in the US or England or wherever? A congressman was giving his honest opinions and I totally respect that. There are no right or wrong opinions here.
- Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Ok, how about we skin khalid sheikh mohammed alive?
- crzdmn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It was very much the wrong place and the wrong time for that comment. That was a recorded hearing involving other countries government officials who are there because they are already against our governments actions. Why don't we just blow them up while we're at, saves the time of having to talk them into turning their backs on the US.
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So you think that it was appropriate to say that he wishes harm upon the families of people who disagree with him? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? You seriously will defend anything these days huh? He also ridiculed members of other governments, not enemy governments mind you, and implied that they must disagree with the policy he is supporting because they hate American. Honestly you must be pretty far up your own ass to think that is appropriate.
- leejae, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@wargalas: don't be ridiculous
@crzdmn: I absolutely agree. There shouldn't ever be a place or time for that comment. But all this congressman was doing was standing up for what he believed in and like I said, I respect that. - Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@leejae
Why not? You think that a guy who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks shouldn't suffer like your fellow countrymen did? You don't think he doesn't deserve to be burned or skinned alive for it? - leejae, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@wargalas: I never directly said or implied that I was for torture. I was just taking this from an outsider's perspective objectively. I think a lot of people are interpreting what I said incorrectly. I respect that the congressman is defending his opinion about torture to save lives. I condemn his words about putting harm on others.
- goggleBOX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@wargalas: I don't think anyone deserves to be skinned alive no matter what their crimes but what would I know I'm agnostic, march on you christen soldiers! Your entry to Heaven is only one barbaric murder away?
- chicofaraby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"There are no right or wrong opinions here."
Yes. There ARE right and wrong opinions here. Torture is wrong. Always. Forever. Period.
What in the HELL is wrong with you? - leejae, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1There are no right or wrong opinions. We cannot define what is "right" or what is "wrong." We can only believe in what we think is. And there is nothing wrong with me. I am just an opinionated guy, but I don't attack other people's integrity. And this just shows me that Digg is not a forum that can facilitate proper discussion so with this last comment I sign out. Goodnight everyone.
- cjhowe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?'
-1984 - buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is the logical fallacy called a "false choice." In other words, your entire statement is false because the basic assumption you make is invalid. You most certainly can both not torture people and capture terrorists before they kill anyone. If the current government can't do both, then they are incompetent and need to step aside so that a competent non torturing set of people can effectively track down national security threats.
Torturing people gives you inaccurate intelligence, causes people to oppose you to their death since the alternative is prolonged torture, and it turns the hearts and minds of the common people against you. These three outcomes seem counter to our stated goals. - Azurensis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Torture is wrong. Period.
I'd love to spit in this guy's eye.
- leejae, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1However, I just wanted to add that the comment made by the congressman was definately harsh.
- avifox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Most of these comments are a way to feel good about yourself by putting down an easy target like this congressman who should have said "Well, I hope it's NOT your families, I hope it's NOT your families that suffer the consequences." The issue of torturing people to get the information is not so easily dismissed. If someone has the information to prevent a WMD attack on a major city and your family happens to live in that city, which way would you vote. Do you vote to feel good about yourself becasue you did not dirty your hands or would you vote to protect your familiy. If you have only a short time to make up your mind and no other sources of information, which way would you go? If you're a member of any of the major bureaucracies that are paid to defend us I can guarantee that if you pick torture you will be hung out to dry no matter what happens. You follow the rules or else. So as members of a democracy we need to make the rules before our servants are presented with such an exigency. So I ask you which way would you vote?
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Considering a citizen of my country was detained and tortured because of your ***** about protecting your citizens, I would say if I had the choice I'd vote against it, which of course I don't have. Nevermind the fact that he was completely and totally innocent. Continue down this path with the attitude that 1 American life is worth more than a 1000 non-American lives if you like, just don't claim that the rest of the world hates you unfairly, or are jealous, or any of the other ***** I hear from people who support this kind of crap. Even your closest friends think your elected officials are monsters, if that means nothing to you then nothing I can say ever will.
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4More likely than not the tortured suspect would just give out pointless and misleading information as a way to send us on a wild goose chase. While we're at the suspect can also spice up his story. "It's 2 bombs, no make 5 bombs!"
- chicofaraby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Torture is a crime. It's immoral. It's illegal. It is always wrong.
I can't BEGIN to express the disgust I feel toward the people who try to excuse it. - goggleBOX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT! Two points...
These hypothetical situations of "no time to spare, torture is the only way" are BS, the real world is NOT black and white around this issue. What normally happens is; "He may know something that will help but probable wont tell us anyway, lets torture him just in case we get lucky".
Torture doesn't reduce terrorism or hate it incites and propagates it. You may stop ONE attack by using torture but you end up provoking others into committing more attacks. Why would you want to trade the possibility of one attack for the possibility of many attacks?
Also worth thinking about... Torture is an inefficient means and must be preformed on a large scale to be effective in a war, don't fool yourself that this isn't going on right now! I would ponder that, right now, America may have the worse human rights in the world.
- mAarontheGREAT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0*insert random "yeah! what he said!" comment here* :-P
all kidding aside...the comments on these stories are ignorant and annoying at best...
i personally do not hate America, but i certainly do hate arrogant/smug American assholes... - futureisours, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2It's sad that not enough of our politicans are taking a stand openly about the situation, hiding behind PC speak. Thank you for your honesty, Mr. Rohrabacher. We need more men like you in office.
- khyberkitsune, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Dana@mail.house.gov
Let's inform this misguided person, and show him just how reprehensible he really is. Those words are borderline treason. - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If you work at Burger King and say "Hurry up and order, fatso" you get fired.
If you work for the government and say that your detractors and their families should be terror victims, you get a bunch of defective apologists bringing up free-speech issues - but the idea that you should be fired doesn't even seem to be mentioned.
I guess you people just don't agree that these people are employees. You seem to see them as a higher caste that needs their assholes tongued. - tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4First, let me say I'm a moderate conservative.
Second, this remark is deplorable. It should never escape the lips of ANYONE's mouth.
Third, regardless of whether or not I agree with you, I would never wish you ill will.
Fourth, I've heard remarks like this from the left AND the right on this forum, so don't go bitching just about republicans because this time it was one of THEM that spouted this nonsense. They don't have the monopoly on putting their foots in their mouths and being hateful. Anyone who thinks this remark represents what the republican party believes or condones is willfully misguided.
We all make mistakes. Let's hope we all live and learn from them!- tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Let me say, that remark aside, the rest of his speach was right on target!
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The difference is, a bunch of people hurling random insults at eachother on digg is hardly comparable to an elected official making those statements on record. He is an employee of the state, isn't he? He is representing your country, not only to the citizens of your country but to representatives of other countries in an official proceeding.
I may disagree with your politics but can respect them, what I find hard to respect is true conservatives still supporting the Republican party as if they even slightly represent conservative values. - tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Oh, so you think Republicans should start supporting Democrats because THEY represent conservative values? Hahahaha.
The Republicans may goof from time to time, but some of them still represent my values (although fewer of them these days, unfortunately). - apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The mere fact that you believe its one or the other proves that your system is broken. I think you should support people that actually reflect your political ideology, and that you found the idea of supporting anyone but the Republicans laughable is disgusting and sad.
- tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Actually, if you want to get into a discussion on the party system, we can.
If a democrat supported my ideals, he wouldn't be a democrat. The whole idea of the party system is that the party represents a core set of values - that is the defining characteristic of a party. Sure, there are exceptions, but as a whole if you join a political party, you are stating that you support their core values.
Thus, conservative values are (mostly) supported by the Republican party, and liberal values are (mostly) supported by the Democrat party. Again, there are exceptions, but they are few and far between - and most of those exceptions become independents.
Support for a party is support for those core values. Some republicans have gotten away from some of those core values, but not so much to be called Democrat. And I don't know any Democrat that's deviated from their core values enough to be called Republican. - tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Ah, burying me. What, making too much sense? Can't argue with a Republican that can use his brain?
If what I said isn't refuted, why bury me? Just curious, you know. - queenstarsha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1tkstock, this story is about how republicans think your family should die if you're against torture, not you promoting the liberal smear. that's why no one wants to talk to you.
- tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The discussion that we were having evolved into a discussion about the party system, so I was obliged to respond to the argument at hand. Please direct your hate rhetoric to someone else, please.
>this story is about how republicans think your family should die if you're against torture
And that's ***** if you think all Republicans think like that. This guy misspoke and will pay for it, I'm sure.
- ptsd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"After 9/11, we established different operations because we needed to do it, because we knew at that time there were people who were willing to kill tens of thousands of other human beings because they hate our way of life."
the biggest threat to our nation is not terrorists willing to kill tens of thousands of other human beings because they hate our way of life,
the biggest threat to our nation are people like Dana Rohrabacher who would kill our way of life in the name of keeping us safe from terrorists.
personally i think his comment is treasonous and i would hope that at the very least he would be recalled by the people of california.- Downwritemad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
-Benjamin Franklin
So true - smackywentz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wish the American people still had the power they did a long time ago. That when we heard something like this, we could yell treason in the middle of the court and make this guy stand trial. What a glorious day that would be.
- Downwritemad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
- Destroytoy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Proving once again that Republican'ts are sociopaths.
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I hope HIS family has their heads cut off with a blunt rusty blade.
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Oh shut up.
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2No.
- Downwritemad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0"we don’t want to torture somebody because he has a bad name."
You're right. We HAVE to. This woman is laughably ridiculous. Its like executing innocent people on death row instead of fixing the system. Oh government, what crazy thing will you do next.- smackywentz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1RTA/WTV
Dana in this case happens to be a man's name.
- smackywentz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1RTA/WTV
- kurttrail, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's time for the gloves to come off and start calling all of these neo-con pieces of ***** by their true names.
American Nazis!- mAarontheGREAT, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0the Nazis were not a conservative or "Right-wing" group
they were quite the opposite - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9A brief comparison,
Nazis: authoritarian, fascist, bellicose, the cause of grievous injury to their home nation, bound by irrational dogma, fearful of their citizenry, hateful, xenophobic
Neocons: see above - kurttrail, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Nazis were definitely not conservatives, and neither are neo-cons.
Neo-cons are just fascist scumbags that lie that they are conservatives. - queenstarsha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1laserblazer, this rohrabacher guy isn't a neocon. he's a just a plain ol' family values heartland republican. they all love torture and imprisonment without charge and killing innocent middle eastern children. i don't care if that makes them seem like nazis or not. it makes them seem like awfully bad people to lead a (once?) great country.
- mAarontheGREAT, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0the Nazis were not a conservative or "Right-wing" group
- 3drage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dana@mail.house.gov If you would like to contact him
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1...
- grauelkimchee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0whats the great suggestion then?
if we stop we interrogating in these harsh ways, how many countless Americans would die in an attack that nine guilties and one innocent could have prevented?
so whats your plan of action?
what do you plan to do instead of this?
i don't deny that its horrible to make someone sacrifice for the greater good, but what are the alternatives? how else can we ensure the safety of a nation with lose borders, and more enemies than allies?- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think you should question why you have more enemies than allies. Here's a clue, its not just the bat ***** crazy fundamentalists that hate you, and it wasn't always this way. You create your messes and treat the people of the world like they are to be used by your government however they see fit as long as your life seems fine, and then claim you have no choice but to torture people to feel "safe".
Reform your foreign policy, stop manipulating governments and cultures to suit your needs regardless of the impact on the people. Stop acting like you deserve more and are worth more than the rest of us. Stop treating even your closet allies like dirt beneath your feet. Stop electing people who care more about war profiteering than bettering the lives of your citizens and strengthening bonds between nations. Stop claiming your country is a beacon of light, hope and freedom and actually make it so. - satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The best way is to hold yourself to the ideals that you claim to defend: freedom, honor, and compassion. Torture includes none of these ideals.
The price of freedom is that you lose some safety because you take responsibility for your actions and you are not expecting the State to protect you in all situations. If you want perfect protection, then you will have no freedoms. It is a tradeoff. But, which is more important to you? Being free to act and live as you wish within some limits, or being completely protected from all outside influences? Maybe you would like both? I think it is an unrealistic expectation.
Most people would be willing to sacrifice a few people for their own safety as long as it isn't them or their family or friends. It is always easy to condemn another human being when I don't know the person or care if he lives or dies. - goggleBOX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@apetrie: Well put
Edit: @satanatnmtedu: Well put! - laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"how else can we ensure the safety of a nation with ... more enemies than allies?"
Stop antagonizing the world and interfering with sovereign entities abroad? - tkstock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@laserblazer
Isolationism doesn't work that well. We have too many interests and dependencies on the rest of the world. It is a good idea in theory, but we depend on too many people, and too many people depend on us.
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think you should question why you have more enemies than allies. Here's a clue, its not just the bat ***** crazy fundamentalists that hate you, and it wasn't always this way. You create your messes and treat the people of the world like they are to be used by your government however they see fit as long as your life seems fine, and then claim you have no choice but to torture people to feel "safe".
- mattmollysdad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1To all you NeoLibs... I wish we still had B-1 Bob Dornan to speak for us.
- queenstarsha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2do you think adding "neo" to "libs" makes what you're saying more true?
- cocoamix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Anyone notice that this guy is the ranking member on the Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Human Rights?
How do these clowns get these jobs that they are so ill-suited for?- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Elected by ill-suited voters?
- queenstarsha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ill-suited voters misinformed by an ill-suited media, methinks.
- JimJD, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1 Wow. As time goes on, I've noticed a rise in bashing anyone or anything that is not neo-liberal, or leftist here on Digg(as far as users/comments/stories).
That's pretty sad. Rest of the site is great though!
Evidently, a lot of people missed the meaning of that statement. I don't agree with everything he said, but he made some good points. Sure, it wasn't the best way to go about it. But it could have been much, much worse. In addition, it appears that some members did not watch the video to begin with. Please, don't comment on something you know nothing about. Oh, and no one seems to want to mention... that right before he spoke those "oh-so-hurtful words", some members of the "audience" were moaning and groaning, pissing and bitching.
When I lived in NYC (born and raised!) , I saw the towers every morning when I woke. Spent lots of time in them, had family that worked there and knew a lot of people... and saw those beautiful towers go down on that horrible day. We lost so many good people.
There is goodness and light in this world and it's people. But for the most part.. It's a hard and cruel world we live in. To some of you, stop acting like candy asses and cowboy the ***** up.- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Cowboy up"?
Eat many pudding cups lately? - smackywentz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well it's a Democratic news site, and people are allowed to vote against opinions they don't agree with just as they are allowed to vote for the ones they do agree with. Obviously the majority of the users on Digg do not agree with your opinions, but they are still there. Digg is the only place where votes count, so accept your view isn't everyone elses and stop complaining. Complaining won't do a dam'n thing.
- laserblazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Cowboy up"?
- grauelkimchee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0
@apetrie
you didnt answer my questions
but you did point out something i already knew, so since i'm not against all of your ideals, try understanding mine *****
(apologize for comment abuse) - edm1950, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What can you do, scared rich people are a pain in the ass.
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Keep warm, burn the rich.
- zunipus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Torture. This guy wants the USA, America, to TORTURE. Where have the values of the so-called conservatives gone to? This is the party that is supposed to represent 'Christianity'? What they represent is bestiality, the transformation of human into ANIMAL. Great. Let's go all the way and undo all our evolution, going back to clubbing each other to death with bones and rocks.
Kids, there was a time when the USA was the savior of what we used to call CIVILIZATION. You'll have to look it up. The meaning has faded from my tortured mind...
;-D - superpixel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Folks, I found a bottle labelled "Logic" in the sand the other day. Anyone want it?
I thought not. Enjoy the show.- logicnazi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, I'll take one. But I'll drink it down in my own post below.
- ESTEBEVERDE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What a ***** ASS!
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