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- tsunamisteve, on 10/12/2007, -18/+124This is insane. And yet I'm not too surprised.
- scoot87, on 10/12/2007, -9/+84What is wrong with this world...what is wrong with our government?!?!
- kegegg, on 10/12/2007, -9/+65Yeah, not a shock considering complete diplomatic inaction for an entire month. For those who like more than sound bites, the full article is online at the New Yorker here:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -17/+52You mean since we overthrew their elected government? WTF is wrong with you uneducated doofoses. Jesus Christ, please show my fellow Diggers the Light.
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38Here is a solution to all problems, without a time machine:
Pull the ***** out of the Middle East, and stop getting involved in "Foreign Entanglements", just like Jefferson recommended.
Jesus, you Cowboys who think that you know best make me sick. Little chickenhawks who were never in combat will give you all the reasons to go into war. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42Kohan, are you serious? You send us a link where it says that its true, and you then say that it isn't? Abu Ghraib story is not true? Our soldiers never covered detainees in *****, and made them eat it and so forth? Never? It was on the Cover of The Spiegel for God's sake.
I like how you have no idea about the history of Middle East, yet your recomendation is to overthrow their governments? You're not the only one, majority of your brainswashed peers would probably agree too. Just nuke 'em. Go Bush! Go Cheney! Go Rumsfeld! - scoot87, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32Anyone see Mike Wallace's interview with the Iranian president? Heres the link...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/09/60minutes/main1879867.shtml - zorpscorp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29"We should do what's in the interest of the USA, whether someone think it's "criminal" or not."
YEAH USA! ***** EVERYONE ELSE! IF YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE A HUMAN BEING!
jesus... and what's sad is there are many more people that think the same way you do... *shudders* - WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Reminds me of Minority Report.
By the way, if you attack someone in the USA before they attack you, you go to jail. EVEN if you have proof they are going to do it in the future. - scoot87, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30@warpfox:
"Every source of information that has come to me with 'THE TRUTH' as part of it's message has almost always been completely false or heavily biased. You know, stuff like church or those ***** anti-smoking commercials."
I think you were a little biased there in your comments. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30Its not the fact that we put someone in power. The problem is that OUR CIA Ran Terror Actions against Iran. They Killed innocent civilians, and blamed it on Mossadegh. Thats all.
And Helix, i was waiting for that one. How witty of you. - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26I would take ANY WMD claims buy the US with a grain of salt, because of the Iraq WMD claims.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31@WarpFox
Your sir, are an idiot.
'9/11 Truth' is NOT the source of the information. The source is a CNN interview with Seymour Hersh regarding an article he wrote for the New Yorker. 9/11 Truth simply embeded some YouTube code. For all your talk of 'false of heavily-biased information' you don't seem to pay much attention to getting your own facts straight. - haastyle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25This is not very hard to believe, everything this administration does seems to be fabricated
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Oh i'm sorry, we can't really do that. Oil Companies = Military Contractors = Muchos Mullah.
Same thing goes for the War on Drugs. Our own CIA ships the drugs in (ask Cele Castillo III), and sells it to our kids. The cops then arrest our kids with a dimebag, and put them in the jail where they work as slaves. Thats why we have the drug problem in our country, CIA ships the drugs in in the first place. - bloqmon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31Kohath, why is it that Iran is not allowed to have nuclear arms while Israel and other countries who have allied with West are? Western countries say it is for protection from foreign threats and this is apparently a good enough excuse for them, and yet Iran is not allowed to protect itself? I understand that the leader of Iran openly declared that he wanted to destroy Israel but that still does not mean we can restrict what they can and cannot have. If the US wants to go around changing policy and policing the world, perhaps we (the US) should set an example for a change instead of arbitrarily imposing foreign beliefs on a country that most Americans have never had the chance to visit or even learn about. You are nothing but an ignorant American. I am willing to put money on the fact that you've never travelled to the Middle East or even took the time to learn about its complex history.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29what is wrong is that the governors have gun factories and construction companies.
they first need to sell the guns and then have the guns destroy countries which then their companies can rebuild with the oil money. - victorkahn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23"so what" if we killed innocent civilians?..."so what" if we deposed a democratically elected leader because his policies interfered with our economic interests?..."so what" if our gov't uses terrorism as a political/military tool?
somewhere, the constitution is rolling over in the grave our "elected" leaders buried it in...
i think i'll use my "time machine" to go back to a time when our country still had a soul to sell. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -15/+36Dude, i'm not saying that Iran has not comitted horrible things, but this policy of pre-emptive attack must be stopped. Its criminal. And you're supporting it? We have no proof that Iran has Nukes. CIA said that Iran will not have nukes for at least 10 years, if they tried to build one.
Doesnt this Fearmongering remind you of the Iraq story? - marksven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Direct link to video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5eBrfrWoTk - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28I mean, you talk about these horrible ottrocities that Iran's Khomeini comitted, but you fail to say that WE PUT HIM IN POWER. Before Khomeinni, Iran had a Democratically elected president Mohammed Mossadegh. Mossadegh decided to nationalize the Iranian Oil, to take control of it. CIA didn't like that, and he was overthrown. You can read about this on the Cia website. CIA staged terror attacks, killed innocent people, and blamed it on Mossadegh. After he fell, a fundamentalis Khomeinni came into power.
Do you see anything with this story?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/ - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -22/+41Just like Abu Gahrib story was not true?
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26I see. Then i have nothing else to say to you my friend.
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -23/+41You fail to miss the point. OUR GOVERNMENTS ARE FEARMONGERING US INTO A WWIII THAT HAS BEEN PLANNED ALL ALONG. Thats what Seymour Hersh is saying. The whole Nuclear Iran premise is a Lie, a Fraud, a Concoction of the Intelligence Agencies (Mossad, CIA, Mi6).
Iran Has no Nukes.
Your Media is lying to you, to accept the World War III.
It looks like the Media has successfully brainwased Kohath. - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -25/+43I cannot say this clearly enough:
EVICT YOUR "WAR PRESIDENT" NOW.
By whatever means necessary.
CMON america, you're a beautiful nation of brilliant minds and you're letting this war pig undo decades of work toward a peaceful, diplomatic, democratic future.
GET RID OF BUSH =NOW=. - bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Wow, anyone else notice that Kohath is a psychopath?
In any sense, as an American I can see constantly that Bush is a horrible president and shouldn't be allowed to run a household let alone a country, and I've been hating the actions of Israel more and more often. Hell at this rate, it wouldn't surprise me if Bush made us the superpower that ends up being toppled in WWIII. Then again, thats a bit far admittedly. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26So what?
Would you be pissed off if some outside force killed your civilians and then blamed it on your elected official? This is a major point (grievance) in the first Ahmadinejad's letter to George Bush. You've probably never heared that he wrote a personal letter to Bush, trying to talk things out. You should look it up, it really explains what 'the problem' is.
This is a major crime, but its not the only one. Our Beloved CIA tried to overthrow Hugo Chavez as well, but this backfired, and didn't work.
We are the terrorists, in worlds eyes. Do you see that? CIA, Mi5 and Mossad control all terrorist organisations in the world. The war on terror is staged, one power controls both sides.
But so what? As long as your favorite brainwash show is on tv, and as long as you can get your Cheap Made In China *****, your lazy ass will be all set. Who cares what sort of blood your past is soaked in. Who cares that in the eyes of God, our once noble nation has become the biggest Terrorist on the Planet.
Just look around you man.
But so what.... - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19k2err is right, the CIA and the British did orchestrate the 1953 coup against the democratically-elected Mossadegh govt. Modding him down won't change this fact, which is supported by the CIA's own record, released thanks to the FOIA.
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Stories from "The New Yorker" are conspiracy theories?
- victorkahn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19and once again the neocon neanderthals spout uneducated talking points and resort to calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a "terrorist"
classic. - headcase, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22IMPEACH BUSH!!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16sadly, i get the feeling kohath really believes in what he's saying. i mean, he's too energetic to be a simple troll. absolutely incredible. i wonder how people like that get their news, or better yet, develop their ideas.
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17No we are not...WTF are you talking about? I'm just bring 2 concrete examples to your attention. Is there something wrong with that? I'm not saying anything that is not true. This did happen.
- mirzmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Kohath: If you want to attend to the future, first learn a thing or two from the past. All inequitable treatment and unjust action against foreign people will foster more hate against the US and its allies, and thus more violence. What you're suggesting is creating the perfect storm to allow the world to erupt into WW3... a nuclear conflict. They hate the West for a reason... because we have done great wrong against them. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. There is just NO winning a war against "terror" by means of injustice... it's impossible.
People like you have to wake up and realize that you're taking this conflict to a whole new level with every injustice, and with every meddling action. The blood of all innocent people that is to be spilt in the future is on your hands, whether it is the blood of an Irani, or the blood of an American. - WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21@kotath
"So your solution to a nuclear-armed Iran is: deny the problem exists."
See, thats what we SHOULD have done with iraq.
But go ahead and support your fearless leader who plays with his big toys in the sandbox of the world at the expense of ***** everyone on the planet. No doubt he is a 'good christian man' which is all the reason you need to do whatever the ***** you want. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21I think that our country died with that "Magic Bullet" that killed Kennedy. This is was the starter shot, which started the criminality in our country.
Fellow Patriots: Lets not dissapoint our Founding Fathers. Lets make them proud by getting involved in the issues, and exposing the Truth. Digg and such sites are a vehicle of our Revolution. - variable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible."
--Washington's Farewell Address - Aggaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"We should do what's in the interest of the USA, whether someone think it's "criminal" or not."
And Al Qaeda should do what's in the interest of Islamist terrorists, whether someone thinks it's "criminal" or not.
Gee whiz.... what a principle to organize human behaviour by. - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17one of the reasons the US is not liked my many people is because they do what in their best interest, without considering how that may affect other (innocent) people.
The Iranian government may not be innocent but countless people that would be affected are.
This kind of attitude also prevails in US trade disputes. Just look at the US Canada softwood lumber dispute, or the US Canada wheat dispute... the list goes on. - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Just incase anyone's curious, both John Bolton and Dick Cheney sat aboard the JINSA (Jewish Institude for National Security Affairs) prior to joining the administration.
Their stated aims include: "to educate American leadership figures on the vital strategic relationship between the United States and Israel"
Food for thought. - Aggaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@ Kohath
"Almost certainly not true. But what if it was?
Iran has been at war with the US since 1979. Someday we're going to have to take care of them. Someday before they nuke Jerusalem or Tel Aviv or Rome or London."
The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity. But stupidity is not enough. On the contrary, orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body. Oceanic society rests ultimately on the belief that Big Brother is omnipotent and that the Party is infallible. But since in reality Big Brother is not omnipotent and the party is not infallible, there is need for an unwearying, moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.
Sound familiar.... - victorkahn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15abu ghraib was pretty much a frat initiation?
this thread just reached a whole new level of crazy.
last time i checked, frats didn't practice testicle electro-shock therapy...
unless you're in Delta Iota Kappa, i hear they're real diks;) - kluge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Not just any anti-Bush psycho, but also the guy who won the Pulitizer price for explosing My Lai decades ago. This is a guy who's been interviewing whistleblowers longer than I've been alive.
- jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13When the Soviet Union went down, Iran went on a spree hiring as many scientest as they could. In fact Bush senior set up programs to employ these people.
The people that were hired were seriously scary: engineers of all sorts, physicists, biologist and virologist.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't piss on Bush if he was on fire. Iran's quest to acquire WMDs and the expertise to develop them is well documented and has been going on for a very long time. The Soviets had problems with "technicological" defectors to Iran BEFORE it all fell apart going back as far as the Afghan Occupation during the eighties. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Great words from a great man. One more somber quote is Franklins'. To a questions "What have you brought to us" he responded "A Republic, if you can keep it".
His fears came true, we could not keep it. - ninjadave, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19I knew something was up when Condi sat back and did not push for a cease fire. It screamed "let someone else do our dirty work"
- garrettjaxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Stop commenting on the thread and watch the video. No one cares if you don't trust the site that linked that *****. Half the tags on Digg are misleading, it is up to you to be intelligent enough to filter out the "giraffe" *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21"Elected or not, we need to overthrow the government they have NOW."
you're absolutely right, because that way of thinking has been working out so well. i mean look at the country of iraq. god knows they wouldn't be at that wonderful place called anarchy without america. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Kohath you're wrong. Most grievances by Iran are related to the US presence in the Middle East.
- xaerius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Create a problem, then create a solution that involves increasing your agenda.
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