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- jodimcmullen, on 09/05/2008, -0/+34Hey call Comcast and tell them to leave net neutrality alone. This is important for the internet and our use of it. Or contact them on the internet.
http://www.comcast.com/
Click the blue button that says contact us. - inactive, on 09/06/2008, -0/+28Comcast is filthy, corrupt corporation that wants total control of all the propaganda. They are big fanatics in wanting to become the monopoly of the Big Brother message.
- therandar, on 09/07/2008, -2/+22heavy bandwidth users pay the same rates as light bandwidth users, its hardly fair to penalize users that are taking full advantage of a service they pay for, especially since these companies set the prices and make you sign a contract. if they block or impede the bandwidth they are breaking their own bloody contract and should be subject to repercussions.
- MarkusX, on 09/06/2008, -0/+18Now I finally know, what my sky high cable fees are paying for.
They for rectricting me even more.
Comcast is the D(Evil). - depro9, on 09/07/2008, -0/+13Comcast is a monopoly, break them up!
- roosevans, on 09/06/2008, -0/+10FTA:
"Comcast was widely expected to appeal the FCC's decision, even though the company wasn't fined. Comcast says its practice of sometimes slowing Internet traffic on file-sharing networks like BitTorrent is reasonable and necessary to prevent a few heavy bandwidth users from slowing other customers' service. The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. Court of Appeals here, doesn't go into details about the complaint, but company officials have argued that the FCC has authority to bring enforcement actions under formal rules, not principles. While the FCC has stated a position on net neutrality, it hasn't established formal rules.
Concern about the issue has driven efforts by congressional Democrats to pass net-neutrality legislation that would give the FCC specific authority to police Internet providers." - Ratteler, on 09/07/2008, -0/+9Hey call congress and tell them to break the Cable Zoning regulations that prevent cable companies from having to compete with each other in the same market.
Comcast knows you have no real choice BUT to use them in the areas they provide, so they can do whatever the ***** they want. Let Optimum Online, TW Roadrunner, and everyone else compete in the same neighborhood, and all of sudden they will all have enough bandwidth for truly UNLIMITED Internet, and they will think twice about selling out your privacy to ANYONE!
You'll also have ala Carte cable channels, and the lowest bill you've ever seen with no chance of a broadcast flag ever.
It's called a FAIR MARKET, and if we HAD that, we wouldn't need Net Neutrality. That's what us "small government" people are talking about.
We need Net Neutrality BECAUSE we have allowed artificial monopolies. - formergthing, on 09/07/2008, -1/+10You guys should all move to Orem, UT. 50Mbit duplexed last mile fiber to the home for $50/mo. Unlike Comcrapst, you actually see the speeds you're paying for. Also, the local ISP doesn't give a ***** what you do with your connection.
I say go local whenever you can. Big Bob's Internet providin' service has no interest in a tiered Internet. Think about it. - brawltimore, on 09/07/2008, -0/+9hey i called comcast because they're still throttling my torrents..
the ip support moron didn't even know about a torrent was or what to do.
pretty awesome right?! - AndrewDB, on 09/07/2008, -0/+8Oh this'll end well for Comcast.
- DavidGX, on 09/07/2008, -0/+8The motivation is.. they oversold their service.
If you sell a 6mb down 1.5mb up service to.. just a random figure here, 10k people then 10k people should be able to max that out (up and down) 24/7 for the month they paid for. But comcast doesn't have anywhere near the bandwidth to allow people to take full advantage of their service and they refuse to pay for the necessary upgrades to make this possible. - brawltimore, on 09/07/2008, -0/+7tip: never begin a comment telling people they're stupid with YA'LL
MORAN! - theaceoffire, on 09/07/2008, -0/+6Cause we paid all of them $200 billion to give all the US 45Mbps internet, up and down, by 2006, and they didn't?
- RipleyIsDead, on 09/07/2008, -0/+5Too bad it won't end Comcast.
- yunus, on 09/07/2008, -1/+6Now that they officially have set bandwidth limits and admit its not "Unlimited" I don't see why they should block any specific traffic. People have their limits and if they go over them they can be banned, its pretty simple.
- inactive, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4Comcast is praying for McCain to get elected.
- DavidGX, on 09/07/2008, -1/+5I'm really tired of these "small government" retards trying to talk about net neutrality.
Go away. - brianara3, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3They need less to break up the monopoly than to just force other providers to be allowed in the same market. That way I have the choice of Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, etc. in the same building. This will provide *actual* competition for cable (no, satellite is not competition for cable). The closest thing you get now is DSL from the phone company... and they have their head so far up the ass it's sad. I don't WANT a home phone line just so I can get DSL and I don't want to pay $10/mo extra so I don't have to have one. Just like when comcast tries to get you into their "digital phone" service... I have a cellphone with 1500 local/long distance mins. a month already that I don't even use all of, what the hell would I need more "unlimited" calling for?
- Twee, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3Or you can get Verizon's FiOS internet.
- theaceoffire, on 09/08/2008, -0/+3@Both
>.< All I am saying is that for $200 Billion, we should at least have dial up across the US, even if we can't get high speed internet. - h4ckler, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3Comcast is a dieing business. Short comcast ftw!
- CrossCrucial, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3If you pay for 8mb/s, that's what you should get. 24/7, no matter what you wish to do with it (e-mail, porn, torrents, streaming security cams). This isn't a timeshare, it's a contracted speed-for-price agreement.
They should be sued for fraud instead of trying to point the finger at consumers who are trying to get the most out of what they pay for. - DigitalPimptres, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3I just had to get Comcast... /cries.
- Twee, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4What I don't understand is why they are trying to block bandwidth. Does Comcast themselves pay per megabyte, or is it a flat rate that they pay to THEIR provider? I would assume it's a flat rate, so what does it matter? What is their motivation behind bandwidth throttling? Are they getting bribes from the RIAA/MPAA??
- petethepanda, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4I've seemingly had my comcast throttled down to the point where I only get almost exactly 1mbps downloading a file (previously went around 3-4 from fast sites), and I don't even torrent or anything... WTF
- BlatheringIdiot, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Stop juggling my tubes, Comcast.
- Niteryder, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2The FCC should simply put comcast out of business and
restore television, paying for commercials is not considered
entertainment, it is a ripoff, their menus suck, their internet
is the most hacked piece of ***** on the planet, their low budget
tech support is the worst in the industry. Time for a serious
change. Kick ass FCC - x00x, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3With their arrogant, supercilious attitude regarding net-neutrality, throttling customers' downloads the way they have from day one, I wonder what took them so long.
- Ratteler, on 09/09/2008, -0/+2I agree with MOST of what you said. Except the "small government" people being "nuttier".
If we KEEP allowing the Telco/Cable operators monopolies, then we NEED Net Neutrality to protect the consumer from those monopolies.
If you don't want to trust yet another Government agency to become corrupt through lobbying and bribery, then instead of paying for cops we might not be able trust, force these Telco/Cable guys into the arena WITH EACH OTHER!!!!
Instead of regulating HOW they can censor and monitor our traffic, we can regulate that THEY are a utility, and must simply lease use of their lines to any competitor.
Then the market will police itself and the consumer get's the best of everything. - hangman16, on 09/10/2008, -0/+2Yeah, I guess I could go with satellite internet from DirecTV at 512 kbps... Some of us have no other options other than to just not have internet.
- brianara3, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2The whole reason this is done is the simple fact that 90% of the people on cable will use it to watch youtube videos, check email, and surf the web. Using small bursts of their 6 Mbits at a time. Where torrent users are saturating the full 6 Mbits for days at a time, often when they are not even at the computer. The design of their network was meant to allow for the "average" user to have "high-speed" access. They then started selling ridiculous speed limit so they could compete with the other providers in an area, hence the 6 Mbits. Only problem with that was, there are people that expect to have use of the full bandwidth all the time, and they abuse the privilege.
I am not considering what comcast has done is good or correct (I really hate it in fact), but I do understand why. If the cable companies would just limit *everyone* to a proper limit (say 3 Mbits) and stop trying to sell "faster than the competition" they would have less problems. 3 Mbits is plenty for the average user to browse the web, and can still reduce the usage of the heaviest users. I see this as a much better solution than a 250GB/month limit, because your average person that downloads 15-20 HD movie rentals a month can go over these limits. - OrdinaryPanda, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2That analogy doesn't hold water. If you expand infrastructure to keep up, problem solved. You can't print your way out of money problems (but they do try, don't they?)
Also, a LOT of people, like my mother, pay the $50+ to Comcast each month to *drumroll* CHECK HER EMAIL. She spends at most 500mb a month in bandwidth. Does Comcast think she is due a refund/rebate/discount/anything for using less than 1% of their cap? Of course not, and they would be stupid to ask for it, the same way it is stupid to expect anything less than what they advertised if you choose to take them up on that. - brawltimore, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3i'd rather move to japan..
..or anywhere other than utah - Bith8654, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2@theaceoffire, ok so they didn't give us 45Mbps, that doesn't make them some sort of big brother propaganda machine Fang is trying to label them as. Seriously guys, take the ***** tin foil off your heads. These guys aren't trying to control your minds, they are just dicks trying to control your wallets. They are evil and corrupt because of the lies they tell and the lengths they go to to make sure they get all your money, not because they are trying to take over the world. Hell I wouldn't be at all surprised if the reason they didn't fill the US with 45Mbps is because they didn't effectively use the money and ran out.
- DavidGX, on 09/08/2008, -0/+2How is using my 24/7/365 6mbit connection.. for 24/7/365 at 6mbit "abusing the privilege" ?? That's something I PAYED for.
And yes, I agree, sell me a speed that I can use 24/7/365 and don't bitch when I do. - ErickStevenson, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Are they really serious? I hope they loose, and loose big.... like some people say, they should be charged with fraud. If they promise a certain speed, specially in commercials, etc... they should provide it.
- brianara3, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2I love all these people that are just saying "move to another provider that has better service"... I live outside D.C. and my 2 choices are Cable-Comcast and DSL-Verizon. I DON'T have access to FIOS, and I don't have the funds needed to buy something better than the "16 Mbps" that Comcast is giving me (even though it is filtering my torrent traffic). I can still "use" the service for other stuff to its fullest speed, like web surfing and downloads.
- CandidateZero, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2I would love to see this. It happened to AT&T in 1984 with its Bell system, but they ended up re-merging with each other... like the T1000.
Point being, monopoly breakup works only for a little bit, then the pieces become a monopoly again. It needs to be periodic. - brianara3, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2My complaints about Comcast are:
1. Their crap is always broken (have you ever tried to use 1/2 the stuff on their site)
2. I have an HD box, how freaking complicated would it be to display an HD guide so it doesn't look like it was downloaded from the 1990's internet? That crap is so blurry I can't hardly read it. Same goes for the On-Demand menus.
3. STOP F**ING WITH MY HD CONTENT. If it says 1080i then give it to me in 1080i, not some crap up-converted compressed fragmenting garbage.
I do like the online chat customer support (mainly because they speak english I can understand)... when it works. Hell... I even had the support guy go "w00t I found it" when he was looking up my old account. WTF? - bagboyrebel, on 09/07/2008, -2/+4You really don't understand what net neutrality is, do you? The only thing the goverment would be able to do is tell ISP's not to filter anything or give preference to one service over another. They won't have the power to decide what kinds of things are allowed on the internet and thy wouldn't have the power to censor anything.
- riceje7, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2How is Comcast still in business? They have been the most egregious violators of not only Net Neutrality but their customers Constitutional rights for quite some time now. They broke countless federal laws by illegally wiretapping, turning over emails and internet traffic histories of millions of people and now that Congress passed the motion to grant them and other ISP's immunity from it they will continue to do it. This issue needs to be brought into the national spot light because they are absolutely destroying the internet and its fundamental philosophy; the internet as we know it was designed for the free transfer of information and knowledge, and a place where people all over the world could collaborate to do things that were never before possible. This appeal filed by Comcast is just one more step in what seems like a collusive plan to make the internet into a totalitarian commodity.
- bagboyrebel, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2But depending on where you live, you might not be able to choose which service to get. I'm currently in college and live in a house just off of campus and the only choice I have is Comcast, no other ISP can give service there.
- DavidGX, on 09/10/2008, -0/+1I said they're nuttier, not necessarily because they're more "small government" though. Ron Paul is the only one I see hanging around now that might ACTUALLY be a little more "small government" than the current group and he has no chance of winning and is a loony.
I think we need an "Internet Bill of Rights" that mandates, among other things, a neutral network.
It also wouldn't hurt to remove the anti-competitive rules and allow competition everywhere. I don't see why we can't have BOTH to absolutely ensure a neutral, competitive atmosphere no matter what. - ztay, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1Vote on the actual legislation. All votes are sent to Congress.
http://www.govit.com/S_215/A_bill_to_amend_the_Com ...
Save the internets! - fireburner23, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1I know people are very angry about this Net Neutrality thing, but if we do have net neutrality does that mean the owners of the backbones will not try to upgrade the networks to increase capacity?
What incentive would they have to do it? - fireburner23, on 09/10/2008, -0/+1Ok....
These backbones are privately owned right? At least most of them...
As right now, these backbones are being mostly utilized by spam and BitTorrent connections. Every day we hear about ISP's reducing their "Unlimited-ness". These massive fiber lines only hold so much bandwidth. Thus this BitTorrent traffic is biting into their profit margins. Their knee-jerk reaction is to regulate the traffic on THEIR fiber lines so they may not interfere with other traffic (like VoIP or HTTP). If Net-Neutrality is implemented and they will lose the nay-say on what they can do with their networks. What incentive do these owners have to upgrade their networks?
Also, wouldn't Net Neutrality reduce VoIP's effectiveness since VoIP needs relatively low latency to make it practical? If, BitTorrent is consuming most of the bandwidth in the market place, how is VoIP supposed to compete with this? - inactive, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1***** Comcast. If you haven't yet dumped this suck-ass carrier, you're part of the problem.
- uncleosbert, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1that's bs, which is why the fcc has been holding hearings soliciting public comment about comcast's actions.
"We filed this appeal in order to protect our legal rights and to challenge the basis on which the [FCC] found that Comcast violated federal policy in the absence of pre-existing legally enforceable standards or rules"
the only rule comcast was being asked to adhere to, was their own statement that consumers were entitled to bandwidth they'd purchased. please check out the fight before you decide the fcc has overstepped their bounds:
"However, certain participants in the Internet are in a position to control or to deceive customers using their market power and government-granted exclusivity. Access providers are one such category."
http://funchords.livejournal.com/ - uncleosbert, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1actually, you've cut out the biggest user of all... cable itself. haven't you noticed all this excitement over digital television?
"Comcast Cable is the nation’s biggest supplier of cable television services, and it's growing cable business to supply digital Hi-Def television services, supply faster Internet, and IP digital telephone service. Celebrated for its digital cable television, millions of satisfied customers trust Comcast for their home entertainment. At last, Comcast not only provides magnificently sharp digital cable TV, but additionally ultra fast broadband services and unlimited flat rate VoIP phone service for a simple low price. Comcast Cable is the business to look to first for the communications and family entertainment products and services that bring the people, places, and entertainment that’s important to individuals lives. "
http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Comcast-Servi ...
now think about that. you're asserting that our use eats into comcast's whole, shortchanging the other users on the internet. what really seems to be happening, is that comcast is reserving huge amounts of bandwidth instead of updating their system to reflect realistic demands of their customers.
you're going to tell me that this isn't scaleable? how many new cable channels do we have now, compared with the 90s? that's where the bandwidth is going, even though they'd really like you to think the great, unwashed, WOW players are taking more than their "fair share".
and this is how it could actually work here:
"In Japan, which boasts one of the most advanced fiber-optic broadband markets in the world, one carrier recently implemented a usage cap, but it was 30 GB per day -- roughly an-eighth of Comcast's total monthly cap."
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/08/comcast-twi ...
why not? think about what we're giving up, before you decide it's impossible. - uncleosbert, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1your choice is false. you're asserting that our use eats into comcast's whole, shortchanging the other users on the internet. what really seems to be happening, is that comcast is reserving huge amounts of bandwidth instead of updating their system to reflect realistic demands of their customers. why not? you think they have unique systems for their digital phones, cable and internet?
how many new cable channels do we have now, compared with the 90s? that's where the bandwidth is going, even though they'd really like you to think the great, unwashed, WOW players and torrenters are taking more than their "fair share".
and this is how it could actually work here:
"In Japan, which boasts one of the most advanced fiber-optic broadband markets in the world, one carrier recently implemented a usage cap, but it was 30 GB per day -- roughly an-eighth of Comcast's total monthly cap."
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/08/comcast-twi ...
why not? think about what we're giving up, before you decide it's impossible. -
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