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- inactive, on 01/04/2009, -28/+87Hey Norm (Coleman)...time to let it go, baby.
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -22/+73Right. And now he wants to count PROPERLY rejected absentees (eg, those that were rejected for one of the four reasons covered under Minnesota law), but only those from red precincts.
Oh, Norm.... time to let it go indeed. - issaccheriyathu, on 01/04/2009, -17/+62I think he might want to cling on to his dear seat (that got expired today). He even had the audacity to claim that it is illegal to count absentee ballots that were IMPROPERLY rejected. Such distorted logic could only come out of desperation.
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -6/+40I don't have an issue with him hanging in there... I have an issue with him doing the VERY things Republicans accused Gore of doing in Florida in 2000: cherry-picking. You can't take the moral high ground when you fought against including wrongly rejected ballots, then agreed to include a certain number of them, but once it appeared you were going to lose, you mysteriously come up with 650 more from only-red precincts, that neither election officials or Franken thought should be included. Besides, Gore bowed out a tad more gracefully and the stakes behind his loss were far larger than those in a Minnesota Senate race.
Of course the saddest irony of Florida was that, had the recount proceeded with Gore's cherry-picked counties, he still would've very narrowly lost. BUT, had the recount proceeded as a state-wide HAND recount, Gore would've won the recount and been President. - GBPACKGB, on 01/05/2009, -8/+30Coleman was a democrat until the republican revolution. A Bush lackey until it became unpopular. He doesn't care about the people of Minnesota, just for furthering his career by doing whatever's politically expedient. Not to mention he's under investigation from the FBI.
Franken is the far better choice. - solmakou, on 01/05/2009, -1/+23Can someone decipher this for me please? It seems very nonsensical to me.
- pintomp3, on 01/05/2009, -3/+24Why can't MN elect a nice professional politician like Ted Stevens or Duke Cunningham?
- Anomaly100, on 01/05/2009, -13/+32What a great article. I just wish Coleman hadn't proven many Democrats opinions, including mine, about Repubs not being able to bow out gracefully. They just can't seem to help themselves. I think it's the greed factor. But, this guy, he's like a schoolyard bully with his buddies threatening filibusters. Geez, calm yourself Norm. Then, get out and stay out!!
- profgiles, on 01/04/2009, -19/+37Gee, now we know why Coleman tried so hard to stop the recount. A fair an open count of the vote showed that Franken won the election.
- JenniferInMO, on 01/05/2009, -14/+32I remember when Coleman said he'd back out "gracefully" if he was running behind. I forgot about it until now. There were so many ways to smack Coleman with this but Normoyle chose the clever, slow, logical slam dunk approach.
I suppose Coleman would rather have no one represent Minnesota than finally stop kicking that dead horse? Doesn't he have some law suits to defend himself against? An investigation to worry about? - ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -4/+21Hi, welcome to "Prove It."
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -5/+21Coleman had an unofficial lead the day after the election that was smaller than Franken's is now, and it triggered a legally mandated and automatic hand recount. Coleman never held an "official" lead because recounts are exactly that: RECOUNTS. Now that all LEGALLY cast votes have been tallied, including rejected absentee ballots that (by law) should never have been rejected in the first place, the tally is finally official. And it has Franken as the winner... albeit very narrowly.
So, without an "official" lead, there never would've been a headline asking "Franken to bow out to victorious Coleman." Besides, what the article really does is hold Coleman to his own words from November. Did you miss that part? - db0255, on 01/05/2009, -1/+17CRACK COCAINE. NOT good.
- byukate, on 01/05/2009, -9/+24Coleman weirds me out. He looks like a strange hybrid of game show host, ken doll, and x-pastor Ted Haggard. Not a good combo.
- ironhide, on 01/05/2009, -6/+21Got anything to back that up with? Yeah, that's what I thought.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -1/+16Insert brain before digging.
- Echota, on 01/05/2009, -16/+30Get to steppin' Norm!
- opticwind, on 01/05/2009, -1/+15Until the official count is in, I don't care how long this takes. Even if there's only a small chance of some corruption here, after what happened in 2000 I want to see this through to the end.
- solmakou, on 01/05/2009, -3/+17There were no Republican paid protesters circumventing the law so it must have been fraudulent. Any real recount needs goons to make sure it goes the way they want it!
- AllHereTruth, on 01/05/2009, -4/+18Im a retard huh?
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Minnesota is in the top percent of the country in education, living standards, and medical care. So ***** you for making a generalization about an ENTIRE state. I could do the exact same regarding any state or region you live in. - AllHereTruth, on 01/05/2009, -5/+19'Franken's voter fraud *****'
Really? Where did your facts come from buddy. Please enlighten me.
If your talking about the ballots 'found' in a trunk that was *debunked* as a repub shock story. completely made up and completely false.
*source: http://tinyurl.com/83t8dj - flossdaily, on 01/05/2009, -1/+14Is this how the Republican brain works? Counting all the votes = stealing?
This explains why you were all so eager to put the 2000 election behind you. - FarOutGrace, on 01/05/2009, -9/+22fvcktheNWO:
Actually, I've always found you particularly annoying. You are wrong, the Republicans whine a lot. Just look at the comments in WND. - AllHereTruth, on 01/05/2009, -5/+18That story has been debunked so many times in so many places. Heres one example http://tinyurl.com/83t8dj
**As for the absentee ballots: They were improperly rejected. Meaning they should not have been rejected in the first place. The high court looked into the situation and ruled to count them. NOT the liberals. NOT the dems. The legal system.
This is NOT a Dem conspiracy. The legal system ruled the ballots in question were improperly rejected. Got it? Your facts in line now? Maybe do a bit 'o research next time before you randomly post.
Cool. - newfrickinshow, on 01/05/2009, -5/+17A few things about this election annoyed/pissed me off. Two I will just vent here real quick. First was Norm Coleman's ads, and the ones that pissed me off the most weren't the ones packed with lies and crap. They had an ad with a couple of bowlers with thick New York accents saying if Franken can be a senator anyone can be. Umm, I could be wrong, but isn't that the ***** line parents are supposed to throw their kids to make them feel proud of their country? That if you want to be something and work hard for it, you can do it? "Hey, we want change and are sick of these ***** politicians that don't care about us, so what should we do? I know, keep electing lawyers to office, we know we can trust lawyers." Many of his early ads did everything possible to avoid talking about actual issues. "Working Together" was a perfect example. The other ad that pissed me off was Coleman's wife talking in the family kitchen and trying (unsuccessfully) to make him look like an average guy.
Also some of Franken's responses kind of annoyed me, as he wasn't stong and solid enough at times. When Coleman started his Angry Al ads, I think rather than running from them, Franken would've been better served to embrace them. In other words, you're damn right I'm angry, I've been paying attention to how the veterans of this country have been crapped on, our servicemen in the field have been underequipped, while costing rather than increasing America's security.
Just something that I've been thinking about for a while now, just thought I'd rant. Thank you for your time. - ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -4/+16"which put the total number of ballots for these precincts higher than the number of people who checked in"....
Not true at all. Substantiate your claims. - ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -2/+14If you're inclined to move away from your home state merely because someone won a Senate seat, then my guess is you were never all that happy there to begin with.
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -5/+17@FishHammer: "I know I'll get buried for this"
I'm not burying you for your misguided opinion. I'm burying you because of your utterly dubious claims that are completely unsubstantiated and were debunked ages ago as mere rumors.
The recount was overseen by a BIPARTISAN canvassing board in front of campaign reps, lawyers, the general public, national and local media, and was streamed for hours a day for weeks on end ON LIVE TELEVISION and via the internet. Hell, even *I* saw hours of it.
This was the most transparent recount process in memory so your claims of voter fraud are not just falling on deaf ears, they're falling into a ***** chasm. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -1/+13coleman winning would not avoid Democratic control.
- newfrickinshow, on 01/05/2009, -0/+11This case has been in front a high court with a majority of conservative judge: The Minnesota Supreme Court. Normally Minnesota Supreme Court justices are elected and serve 6 year terms, but the governor appoints justices if there is a vacancy. 4 of the 7 judges are current Republican governor Tim Pawlenty appointees. Reprsenting the GOP interests are Chief Justice Eric J Magnuson, and associate justices Christopher Dietzen, B. Barry Anderson, and Lorie Skjerven Gildea.
On the not necessarily Republican side, the other 3 associate justices are Paul H. Anderson, Helen M. Meyer who was originally a 2002 Jesse Ventura appointee, and last but not least is associate justice and NFL Hall of Famer and 1971 MVP Alan Page. - ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -4/+15It's hard to admit defeat, particularly as an incumbent, but I have a strong feeling that the reason Coleman spoke out so strongly against a recount the day after the election was that he knew what the results would inevitably be.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -2/+13I look forward to watching him debate a bill on C-Span and I look forward to Norm Colmann going to jail.
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -2/+13I agree Coleman is more concerned with self-aggrandizement but I disagree about him "sticking around" in office. His senate seat officially expired yesterday and Franken won this election. It may take weeks or months of frivolous lawsuits, but Coleman will never step foot in his senate office again.
:-) - ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -2/+12It's going to be official tomorrow. Coleman's only options after that rest on an election contest in court based on his threadbare allegations of double-counting and lost ballots... which, as the article states, STILL wouldn't swing the numbers back to Coleman, even if the Supreme Court agreed with his frivolous and unproven claims.
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -5/+15Not really. The article holds Coleman to his own words in the face of facts.... Drudge doesn't actually "say" anything... he merely posts links and editorializes in the headlines he writes for them.
Having said that, I agree: Coleman's a tool. - newfrickinshow, on 01/05/2009, -1/+111. Vetura had political experience before he was governor. Mayor of Brooklyn Park, or woud have researching/remembering things hurt your brain.
2. I remember Ventura as being vastly better than either of his bookends. his predecessor Arne Carlson sucked and his successor Tim Pawlenty is someone I'm not exactly a huge fan of.
3. Please move away. What's stopping you? Are you too scared? Can't you afford it? Come on, I hear you bitchin' but don't see any action. - ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -7/+17Who's whining? And about what? After all, we won.
Read the article. We're merely holding Coleman to his own words. - Mattwdj, on 01/05/2009, -0/+10who's Franklin??
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -6/+16"Steal" the election? How so?
Oh, and please, no links from WND or freerepublic. Actual, substantiated FACTS will suffice. - freshyill, on 01/05/2009, -0/+9Fat guy, originally from Boston, moved to Philly. Hung out in Paris a lot and cheated on his wife. Definitely not the kind of guy you'd want involved in national politics.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -5/+14And you Republicans can't respect a fair election.
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -1/+10@Barackalypse:
notanidiot is right, one seat doesn't alter the balance of power a single iota, so Coleman's fight has far more to do with his ego and pride than his patriotic duty to restore balance to government.
Besides, surely you're not forgetting that republicans were in control of all THREE branches of government for the bettter part of the last eight years. Are you prepared to say they also made "monumentally stupid" decisions that will burden us for generations? - flossdaily, on 01/05/2009, -1/+10I agree! This is madness! What's next, an Actor as President?!
This is a government for the people by the people and of the people. Since when are comedians not people? It's a shame you don't understand how your own government is supposed to function. - AllHereTruth, on 01/05/2009, -3/+12Third times the charm:
The 'mystery ballot' story's are false. They have been debunked by everyone, including Republican Gov. Pawlenty.
There has been NO evidence of voter fraud on ANY level. The hand recount was broadcast via TV and Internet streams. The entire process had lawyers, reps from both sides, and the general public was invited to watch. It was vetted. It was overseen.
The said improperly rejected ballots were counted because the HIGH COURT said they had to be. Not the liberals. Not the dems.
There is NO conspiracy. The votes have been counted and verified. Both campaigns had oppurtinuty to challenge any ballots for any reason. They did. Those were looked at and counted or not.
And what the ***** are you talking about the Kennedy election for? - novenator, on 01/05/2009, -2/+10how much did the WingNut Daily pay you to post that?
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -2/+10You mean like townhall, redstate, WND, Rush, Bill O, Sean H, Fox, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -5/+13Buried... that rumor was debunked ages ago.
In fact, REPUBLICAN Governor Tim Pawlenty went on Fox News, of all places, in November to assure everyone there was no truth to it.
Try again. - tocsy, on 01/05/2009, -1/+9I completely agree, whatthefu. Both of them should stay in until it's finally decided. I do not, however, like Coleman's attitude after election day when he was saying Franken should 'give up and save the tax payers some money.'
- ReasonWinsOut, on 01/07/2009, -3/+11You're on to something merky1, but remember that both candidates were up against a third-party candidate who took over 10% of the vote. So it wasn't necessarily just Comedian v. Douchebag...
Besides, Coleman going from an unofficial 215-point lead after election day to an official 225-point deficit after ALL legally cast votes were recounted is actually a pretty steep fall.
Given that he ALSO said in his day-after-the-election presser that recounts never substantially change the outcome, I think it's time he ate his own words. And that's JUST what the article makes him do. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -3/+11i like gary coleman, midgets r pretty funny
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