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- wlmh65, on 02/04/2008, -20/+118What about those of us who live a healthy lifestyle, maintain excellent credit ratings and have, through sacrifice, saved enough to self-insure against medical issues? We'll be forced to fork over our hard-earned money so that others can shirk their responsibility.
Do people not know that the insurance business is based on the same principle as the casino business? Actuarial science powers both to massive profits on the backs of those who choose to risk their money on a wager or a premium payment. Hillary would do as well to force Americans to play the slots in Vegas. - AtHomeBoy2000, on 02/04/2008, -14/+82This is the flaw in her plan which she seems to like to ignore and deflect when Obama brings it up. Some people will not have enough money to pay for their own health insurance. And frankely, some dont want it (for whatever stupid reasons). Hillary Care is deeply flawed.
- jamesalfaro, on 02/04/2008, -4/+65This is exactly what Obama was trying to point out during the last debate. He asked what would happen to people who didn't want insurance, under Hillary's plan. Would they be fined, or have their wages garnished? Hillary wouldn't answer that question, because she didn't want to show that Obama's plan is actually better than hers.
- MasterThief117, on 02/04/2008, -5/+56Unfortunelly no one really cares. A lot of people who are voting for her do so "because they want to see a female president."
This is all I hear now: "I am voting for Obama because he is black." or "I am voting for Hillary because she is a woman."
No one seems to grasp the thought that who is elected will make a HUGE difference on how their lives are run.
I try to tell this to people, but they just reply to me "It has not effected me directly yet." at which point the only thing I can do is facepalm. - RyeBrye, on 02/04/2008, -6/+47Hilary understands health care, and the working person about as well as the average digger understands the female body.
- OstrakonX, on 02/04/2008, -4/+42I'm so sick of her. Flagrantly disobeying the DNC, using unwarranted dirty politics against Obama, etc. She doesn't give a ***** about any of the issues... this is just a power trip. She wants the title, not the occupation.
***** you, Hillary. Take your Karl Rove-approved campaign strategy elsewhere. We want a real leader. - rocketman42, on 02/04/2008, -8/+44Agreed, this is nothing more than a tax, plain and simple. People are smart enough to determine what they need. I only go to the doctor once every few years. I don't want full coverage, so I opt for the catastrophic insurance, which is about 1/3 the cost. Under HillaryCare, I would be forced to get full coverage which I would almost never use. I suppose this way, healthy people can pay the medical expenses of the unhealthy. Some may think that's a great idea, but I don't.
- lladi84, on 02/04/2008, -6/+40Yet another reason Clinton is unelectable.
- lostmyleggins, on 02/04/2008, -3/+36she knows what is best for you that is how she will decide how much of your money she will take and spend as she sees fit
- inactive, on 02/04/2008, -7/+36Hillary's position on insurance will KILL her if she gets the nomination. The California DEMOCRAT legislators voted against mandatory insurance! Going after wages is the sort of heavy-handed approach to medical care that is embodied in Hillary's health plan. This article
http://www.scragged.com/articles/the-road-to-hilla ...
explains the collision between Hillary's government-centered approach and people who get health information off the Internet. Imagine the collision between patients wanting to select their own treatments and Hillary's bureaucrats who don't trust us to choose our own cough syrup! Contrast her plan with Mr. Obama's more open methodology:
http://www.scragged.com/articles/obama-s-10-billio ...
This article
http://www.scragged.com/articles/simple-solutions- ...
explains how an earlier president lied to put in place another system supported by a separate set of taxes which has grown to take more than most people pay in income tax. Do we need ANOTHER such government program? - AtHomeBoy2000, on 02/04/2008, -1/+28I need to make an amendment. It mentions in the article that she would "fine" those who could afford to pay, but dont. how do you decide who can afford it? What if someone thinks their health isnt as important as something else like college for their kids, a new TV, a mortgage payment? I am not saying putting a car above health is smart, but some people might just want minimum coverage.
- wlmh65, on 02/04/2008, -4/+30In the case of a person who can demonstrate their financial capability to self-insure against risks through savings and creditworthiness, yes, I do oppose it.
Insurance has gone from being a financial instrument used to voluntarily spread risk to a talisman without which people feel fearful in every situation. You see people purchasing insurance for situations in which they could easily insure their risk themselves at much less cost, but instead choose to pay premiums against the astronomical chances of a negative outcome.
Insurance companies and casinos are in the same business, a business of fear and greed. - InspectorGadget, on 02/04/2008, -4/+28Mandatory healthcare is a stupid idea no matter who pays for it and when. Any such program must be opt-in. The facade of respect for individual rights that big government morons have been wearing for so long has begun to fall away.
- overtoke, on 02/04/2008, -5/+29The majority of people w/o insurance do not have it because they cannot afford it. GARNISH THEIR WAGES.
- Chaoticfist, on 02/04/2008, -8/+29Or maybe they could stop paying for TRILLIONS of dollers for an illegal war, and cover EVERYONE in the usa..........
- siszam, on 02/04/2008, -14/+35Sounds like you could benefit from some universal mental health care.
- zanzzz, on 02/04/2008, -1/+22In Massachusetts they already have this! Last year you will lose your $214 personal deduction off state tax if you did not have health insurance. For 2008 the state will fine you around $94/month for every month without insurance. This law was signed by nitwit Mitt Romney as governor and now he can't run fast enough away from it as he flip-flops his way done the election trail.
- solesoul, on 02/04/2008, -2/+19Its not even exclusive to the South, fat unhealthy slobs are universal, crossing regional and party boundaries.
- thatsmyaibo, on 02/04/2008, -3/+20First she votes for the war and now everyday she is pulling another policy like this out of her ass. She is like Bush except she is aware of the ***** she is spewing and not even in office yet.
- Math, on 02/04/2008, -3/+19Cancer can cost over a million dollars in the US to treat, and can often bankrupt even people who have health insurance.
Have you really saved enough to cover this? - Sil369, on 02/04/2008, -4/+20I have not read one mention of VOTE RON PAUL in this thread. What is wrong with u people.
/sarc - L0cKe, on 05/09/2009, -7/+23I hate Hillary.
- teadrinker, on 02/04/2008, -0/+14Or perhaps pay off some of the national debt, so that we can actually afford other things in the future.
- Kyan, on 02/04/2008, -12/+26Dugg, cuz i was going to submit it, but found this to be the earliest duplicate. This is the one to digg, diggitizens.
- whyufail, on 02/04/2008, -2/+15Protip: Its not much better here wlmh65. My roommate was suffering from chest pains, dizziness, projectile vomiting, and was incoherant. I took him to the hospital. He's fully insured, corporate policy and everything, and he still got to sit in the waiting room for a good four hours before getting looked at, and a good eight hours total before being admitted. The difference? He got to wait and had his insurance charged a few thousand dollars, fortunately he had it at all. And for reference, other people waiting in the room for an equal amount of time with us included someone with a large laceration on their hand that was wrapped up in a shirt.
- norman619, on 02/04/2008, -2/+15Aren't they already "tapping" our wages for the existing plan?
- lamprey187, on 02/04/2008, -0/+13glad somebody else besides me watched the debate and understood what mandated means. Mandatory. Big difference in plans, not a subtle one.
- samrum, on 02/04/2008, -2/+14"I'm voting for Hillary because Bill Clinton was a good President and he will help her when she is president."
*facepalm* - DevilInPgh, on 02/04/2008, -0/+12If you think Kaiser would lower your rates, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...
- oMeSSiaHo, on 02/04/2008, -14/+25I lived a relatively healthy lifestyle and paid my insurance for years. Eventually business started getting bad and I had to be let go. I found that it was damn hard to find a job that offers health care so I took a part time job and prayed for the best. I eventually got pretty sick and ended up paying thousands of dollars (more then what I payed for insurance for like three years!) to get better.
The point I'm trying to get at is I paid twice. If I was just taxed, I would have paid once and that would have been it. Sure you are healthy now but you cant see into the future.
Anything is better then the system we have now. Its designed to make companies a profit and when it comes to peoples health thats just stupid. - SlyMm, on 02/04/2008, -4/+15No where near that much..turn FOX news off.
- inactive, on 02/04/2008, -14/+253 words, ***** THAT BITCH.
- brufleth, on 02/04/2008, -1/+11No he hasn't. In fact, he probably hasn't saved enough to cover treatment for a hernia, broken bone, pneumonia, or most aggressive infections. He might have enough to cover having a tooth capped or new glasses.
People like this ignore the obvious. Living a healthy life style doesn't insure immortality. I work with two guys who are living examples. One was a competition weight lifter. They both eat right, don't drink soda, don't even drink coffee, work out, etc etc. They also both have had heart problems which required unexpected surgery and long term drug treatment.
You can eat like a rabbit and still get cancer, you can get hit by an uninsured driver, you can slip on some ice walking from your car to the gym. People get hurt and they get sick. Self insuring simply isn't possible even for most upper class people especially if you have a family. - Jimbob200, on 02/04/2008, -3/+13If you're young and have a life to live, you'll get your treatment. I was 15, had VTAC: basically my heart would, with or without the slightest provocation, begin to beat at around 192 BPM. I had to deal with it for a couple of months with medecine, and then I went to the Heart Institute (I lived in Ottawa), had two successive surgeries, and was free to live my life.
- cnot3, on 02/04/2008, -10/+20Here she is, the biggest douche in the universe... in all of douchedom, theres no bigger douche than she.
- one2gamble, on 02/04/2008, -4/+14That woman is simply crazy...If the dems choose her as their candidate they will issue a serious blow the viability of their party
- CatsAreGods, on 02/04/2008, -0/+10Good health care? With *Kaiser*?
I guess you haven't been really sick yet...lucky for you! - b0rg, on 02/04/2008, -2/+12One day you're going to grow up and have to pay for your own health insurance. With a wife and kids, and a very generous employer, it's still going to cost you $4,000 a year just for insurance, and another $5,000 or so in co-pays, deductibles, out-of-network providers, billing snafus.
***** it. I thought it was a big scam when I was 20 years old, too, and had never tried to match up a 20-page hospital invoice and seven other bills which might or might not be duplicates with a 41-page "explanation of benefits". You'll learn. - InspectorGadget, on 02/04/2008, -3/+12However ineloquently, the man has a point. Universal health care doesn't allow the provider to refuse to cover people who actively make their situation worse. The end result is a disincentive against living in a healthy way to prevent medical problems later on, as nobody will feel it in their wallet and the fact that 2/3 of our population is overweight perfectly illustrates that people refuse to feel it in the mirror or in the pancreas.
- teadrinker, on 02/04/2008, -1/+10"but whats 10 more dollars a pay check?"
That's some cheap insurance!!! - whatthefu, on 02/04/2008, -4/+13Well, people liked Kucinich too...
- Rahodeb, on 02/04/2008, -4/+13In addition to the other point brought up, which is that now other people feel like they should have a say in your lifestyle, because your healthcare is tax paid. Watch the government start enacting more and more nanny-state measures, and taking away more of your freedoms in the interest of lowering costs.
- Elbryan233, on 02/04/2008, -1/+9So you're pretty much saying that the poor can go ***** themselves by taking out a loan for medical care that they need. And who's going to give them these loans? I think the current loan crisis shows that just giving loans to anyone isn't so bright. So you're essentially saying, because you're a greedy *****, everyone who isn't as lucky as you can just go straight to hell? Nice.
- inactive, on 02/04/2008, -15/+23Why should I have to pay for other people? ***** being polite, I'm greedy. I work hard as ***** for my money. Get your own ***** insurance.
- alk509, on 02/04/2008, -3/+11Are you ***** serious? Speaking as a healthy young man who actually has asked BCBS for a quote to self-insure myself, I can tell you that self-paying would cost me about 20 times (yes, twenty times) what my father, who's insured through his work, pays.
- cultist667, on 02/04/2008, -4/+12I do'nt want health insurance because i like to have money. Work 40 hours a week just pay the health insurance yeah right
- kinseyincanada, on 02/04/2008, -7/+14I dont understand why Americans hate the idea of a universal health care plan so much, health care should not be a choice, its a basic human right that ever man woman and child should have. It is true that if you have a really good insurance plan in the states you get vastly better service than in Canada but that is only for people with insurance, what about people who generally can't afford it? What are they supposed to do? It seems that Americans identify taxes as the worst thing imaginable, but if your taxes are reasonable and put to good use in a non corrupt governemt, how is that a bad thing, i would rather support a program whose goal is to provide peopl wiht health care than a company who does everything to prevent heath care.
- teadrinker, on 02/04/2008, -0/+7Why not remove subsidies to Kaiser, and remove laws that prevent competition, so that Kaiser would have to lower rates or go bankrupt? Sounds better than to throw more money at them.
- SilverBlade2k, on 02/04/2008, -6/+13The system Clinton is suggesting is a copy of the Canadian Health Care System. Everyone pays for it through taxes.
Even though it is heavily abused, it is still far superior to the 'American' way. Anytime, anywhere, anybody can see a doctor and won't be charged for it directly. No 'insurance' company gets in the way. Doctors are free to treat anyone, anywhere, anytime without approval from anyone.
For all of your naysayers, put yourself or a loved one into a situation where you or they *need* treatment, but some insurance company is refusing to cover it.
This is coming from a cancer survivor who didn't smoke, do drugs or drink alcohol. If I was in the U.S...I most likely would have been denied the treatment, and basically handing me over to death. - Elbryan233, on 02/04/2008, -2/+9Learn what socialism actually is, you ignorant cur.
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