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- ADVIZR, on 03/06/2008, -4/+161One of the worst things to have happened in the past week is Obama's campaign and supporters constantly saying it's mathematically impossible and acting overly confident that Obama is a shoe-in. For anyone who thinks it's too hard for Clinton to win: you're wrong.
1. Clinton & her pundits are trying to trick the public sentiment into thinking that cheating by seating Florida & Michigan is "fair" and "giving voters a voice." Some of the public, beyond her own supporters, is starting to believe these talking points. It's un-*****-believable. It's like they're not aware that Obama (and Edwards) withdrew from the Michigan ballot to comply with the DNC. If the DNC so much as awards a single delegate from those states, the democratic party will have officially committed suicide.
2. Super Delegates: The Clintons will make every kind of shady deal possible to secure them, including promising their own limbs if that's what it takes.
3. If Florida & Michigan go through the costly process of doing another vote, consider this: Some of the public perception is already damaged toward Obama because of the DNC, making it even more in favor for Clinton. See #1. Florida & Michigan broke the rules. Do rules matter anymore? This is getting ridiculous. And the Clinton lemmings keep lying to the public that "the votes as is should count".
4. Rush Limbaugh and countless other masters of disaster have been instructing their audience to vote for Hillary to keep her in for as long as possible. It's a fact. He's said it on his show. He's said it on Fox news. And thousands have done just that in Texas.
CONCLUSION: Be worried. Be VERY worried. Treat every primary/caucus like the week before Iowa. There's one coming up on the 8th for Wyoming. - inactive, on 03/06/2008, -24/+118REMEMBER THE SUPERDELEGATES! http://www.scragged.com/articles/hanging-chads-at- ... explains that there are more than 700 superdelegates who are members of the democratic establishment. Mr. Obama could win the popular vote and still lose the nomination. Don't count Hillary out unless Mr. Obama gets more than enough voted delegates to overcome the superdelegates. Some of them switched to Mr, Obama when he was winning; they'll switch back if he stops winning.
- gypsi, on 03/06/2008, -7/+86as odd as it sounds, mathematically, hillary is worse off after texas/ohio
- triplescoop, on 03/06/2008, -2/+75Brace yourself, it's going to take a lot of tears
- Eiknujrac, on 03/06/2008, -6/+63Hillary Clinton claims the American people (well, the the ones that matter to her at least) have voiced their opinion and want her to stay in the race.
Reminds me of the "mandate" that George W. received from the American people. - Eiknujrac, on 03/06/2008, -1/+55RNC Unpledged delegates = DNC Superdelegates
They just don't get the media attention this go-around.
And they don't have a cool name. - benjaminbr, on 03/06/2008, -2/+53If the superdelegates decide the election against popular vote, I wouldn't mind a riot. Its fun when the people are reminded what sort of "democracy" we are.
- airiox, on 03/06/2008, -5/+51It's because women have been duped by feminists and are voting for her simply because she is a woman. Look at the exit poll numbers. Just listen to the cackling hens on The View, specifically Joy. The main reason they want her to win is because she is a woman, nothing else. She says things like they(women) deserve to have a female president. Feminists are bashing any woman not voting for Hilary saying they are traitors to their own gender. If Hilary were a man, she would have dropped out long ago. That just facts. Then the Feminists like to say she is being treated differently because she is a woman, they are right. She is getting a pass.
Obama at least has some natural speaking ability, so regardless of his race he would still be able to inspire people. Hilary is just about the worst speaker I have ever heard in my life. Her speech writers give her gold and she turns it into turd. Seriously, read a transcript of her speeches and it's golden, then listen to her speak it and it makes you want to kill small kittens. - spyd3rweb, on 03/06/2008, -6/+50She needs a Diebold miracle.
- DickyT83, on 03/06/2008, -2/+46As bad as it may sound, if Barack wasn't black, Hilary wouldn't even be a contender. (I'm an obama voter, just to clarify.)
- LloydBentsen, on 03/06/2008, -2/+43Do Superdelegates wear capes?
- canewediggit, on 03/06/2008, -1/+36actually, she is worse off _mathematically_. she only made up roughly 4 delegates, but there are now 4 additional states off the board, 2 of which were pretty big. the clock is on obama's side, especially because he's expected to pick up wyoming and mississippi in the next week.
- frontporsche, on 03/06/2008, -2/+29Before, she needed to get a certain percentage of the remaining delegates to get ahead. She didn't even meet that percentage in her "big" win this week. Now the percentage of remaining delegates she needs is much higher. That's why she's worse off now.
Suppose you're in a car race, and your opponent is way ahead of you going 60mph. You've figured out that you have to do 80 for the rest of the race to beat him. This past Tuesday, you only did 70. Sure, you were going 70 and your opponent only 60, but you were supposed to do 80 to beat him. Now, because you only went 70mph on Tuesday, now the only way to win is to go 90mph for the rest of the race. To make things even worse, Tuesday you showed that you couldn't even do 80, how are you supposed to do the needed 90 now to win? - doctorfungi, on 03/06/2008, -1/+27The momentum is what people need to worry about. Her wins = press coverage.
Good to see that the math still has her down though. - andnever, on 03/06/2008, -2/+26i was thinking the same thing every time i see her on tv...
- Truckondo, on 03/06/2008, -1/+25Don't F*** this up America!!! Obama FTW!!
- dtfinch, on 03/06/2008, -1/+24The Intrade market gives her about a 1 in 4 chance of winning the nomination.
- haeber, on 03/06/2008, -1/+23I agree, but I really don't think Obama would pick Clinton as his running mate. She's too much of a divisive figure and she'd split the democratic party to the point where many dems will vote for a third-party candidate or McCain, neither of which is good for the Democratic party.
- theaceoffire, on 03/06/2008, -2/+22Funny in a "Oh God, please no" kind of way.
- br0ck, on 03/06/2008, -2/+221) Have you noticed that the Clinton camp hasn't been bringing up FL and MI very often any more? I think it's because the 160-180 delegates that Obama could get by seating those two states (Clinton only won 50% and 55%) would mean that Obama would only need 1842 normal delegates to get to the 2025 limit and he can do that with NO additional superdelegates and with a 10% loss in Pennsylvania by just winning about 55% of the other state's normal delegates. Try it yourself at: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.co ...
Also, if Florida and Michigan do not get seated, then shouldn't the clinch number be 1842 instead of 2025 since the total number of possible delegates has been reduced by 366? - darkfus, on 03/06/2008, -1/+20According to slate.com's delegate calculator 60% is still not enough.
http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/
Other commenters have spelled it out and I will add that this contest is literally about good vs. evil. The Clintons have demonstrated that they will say and do anything to elevate and maintain their proximity to power.
The people of this country, those who are smart enough to see through the spin, can not afford to sit back for a single primary or caucus. We can not afford to rest because of a delegate lead. We have to fight for everything. But most importantly, we have to inform the casual voters, those that fall for the media spin and those that buy in to Clinton's distorted truths that they're not paying enough attention to the actual facts.
Democracy is meaningless when the electorate is easily fooled. Fight for the truth. - Arcesius, on 03/06/2008, -1/+20If Hillary wasn't a Clinton, she wouldn't be a contender.
- sockpuppets, on 03/06/2008, -0/+18Aquadelegate doesn't, he just swims and mediates maritime disputes.
- Jade10145, on 03/06/2008, -0/+17I am worried, I am worried that most people just vote on rhetoric from campaign commercials, on how they "feel" about the candidates, on which one tells them what they want to hear, on what the candidate looks like. There are far to many people who vote without doing research, not to slam women, but I know alot of women who are voting for Hillary purely on the fact that she is a women. I'm all for women being able to hold high positions of power but do you really want this women to represent you.
- PHiZ187, on 03/06/2008, -2/+17This is complicated, Clinton would need 60% of the DELEGATES in every state. The thing is, the award of delegates do not strictly track with the popular vote. So, 60% of the popular vote will NOT satisfy the 60% number stated in the headline of this article.
Example: Let's see how this works by easy example - West Virginia and its 10 statewide delegates. 200/10 = 20%. To go from 5-5 to 6-4 there you have to win by over 10% (55-45). But to get ANOTHER +2 you need to add 20% to your win and win by 30% (65-35).
Example from: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/4/162042/3056 ... (read it!) - hachijuhachi, on 03/06/2008, -0/+13As a fellow Obama supporter, I think he has earned some of the attention he's gotten because he's black. A lot of Dems (and I suppose there are even some Repubs, and independents) are tired of the old, rich, white guy as president scheme. I'm not saying people are voting Obama because he's black, and he's done a fantastic job of not letting race become an issue, but I am saying that having a black president would indicate a major change in the mindset of America at-large, and could help to advance our thinking on race during and after his term(s) as president.
Let me make it clear, Obama has many many many qualifications for the office of president, and I didn't say he's getting attention because he's black, but I think that is one reason some people are paying more attention to him. for better or worse, you decide. - nirav72, on 03/06/2008, -2/+15She's delusional. Texas has both a primary and caucus. She only won the primary. The caucus votes are still being counted. Plus its not like Hillary took all of the delegates in OH and TX. Someone teach the clinton people some basic math skills.
- br0ck, on 03/06/2008, -0/+13Actually, I was wrong. Arc72 just pointed out to me in another thread that the 2025 number already takes MI and FL into account. The number with those states is 4361 and the number to clinch with them would be 2181. So, I think seating the two states as is would not hurt or help either of them as long as Obama got the uncommitted votes, but re-running the two states would likely help Obama since Clinton could barely manage half the votes uncontested.
- GhostyBoy, on 03/06/2008, -0/+13America needs a riot or major protest.
L.A. Riots were a really bad thing, but it showed that the black people in L.A. were getting pissed off and not to be taken lightly.
Now the system is just ***** almost everybody and nobody is doing anything. - StarlessKnight, on 03/06/2008, -0/+13This is not the official, national election. It is the Democrat Party's nomination for which person they present, unified, as their candidate come the national election. Florida and Michigan will get to vote in November. Period. The fact they broke the Democrat Party rules knowingly just means the Democrat Party of those two states don't get to participate. Perhaps the residents of those states should kick their representatives out for causing them to lose their participation in the Democrat Party's nomination procedure?
- brstilson, on 03/06/2008, -0/+12"We all know he's hiding something and we all know what kind of president we get with a lawyer "
Wasn't Abraham Lincoln a lawyer?
Did I just totally destroy your ***** point?
Yeah, I think I did. - SpectralWolf, on 03/06/2008, -1/+13I got it covered. I will vote with my wife for Barack this Saturday and will try to convince as many friends and family members as I can.
- pintomp3, on 03/06/2008, -1/+12actually, he's a bitter ron paul supporter.
- KSUdesigner, on 03/06/2008, -1/+11Yes we should just pick the next president based on which way Ohio votes. Forget all the other states, we should just hold a primary in Ohio every 4 years and let that determine the presidency. Forget the fact that Obama has won 25 states while Clinton only holds 13 (FL and MI do not count at this point). I don't know why he's still running either. He has only won in nearly double the amount of states that she has.
/sarcasm. You're a ***** moron. - SargedeathXmode, on 03/06/2008, -1/+11Well, this is going to be a tough run for her. Especially in the rural southern states, where she is practically "demonized".
- inactive, on 03/06/2008, -2/+12he's right. the title of this article is at least misleading, but probably closer to inaccurate.
here's the real deal, from nyt.com
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/03/06/us/20 ... - jmpeagle, on 03/06/2008, -15/+25it's funny that the Dems have superdelegates whereas the GOP does not
- RainNIU, on 03/06/2008, -2/+12Hillary: "If I can't have you, no one can!"
- cyberdork, on 03/06/2008, -2/+12Th super delegates won't vote against the popular vote simply because it's the only thing which could make the democrats lose the election, simply because Obama supporters would stay home in November... Or Clinton supporters would stay home in case Obama gets the nomination due to super delegates.
- prleet, on 03/06/2008, -1/+10If Clinton wins, I am leaving the country. I am sick and tired of Bushes and ***** running the country.
- RetypePassword, on 03/06/2008, -0/+9True. In other words, she now has to win by a higher margin in all the remaining states than she did before March 4th.
- KibibyteBrain, on 03/06/2008, -0/+9Exactly. The democrats are still bitter over the 2000 election catastrophe. Imagine a similar election by mandate scenario on their own turf just 2 elections afterwards. About half the democrats, if not more in protest, would vote for "the other guy". And of course it would be hard for Clinton to keep a straight face in debates against McCain in being a viable candidate who didn't even win the popular vote of her nomination. It would be an actually legitimate attack for once.
- Coven, on 03/06/2008, -2/+11He's still running because he's ***** WINNING. Why should the frontrunner drop out?
- cuevas4711, on 03/06/2008, -1/+10If the superdelegates were to overturn the decision of the people, the democrats would stand no chance in the general election.
- cphelps, on 03/06/2008, -1/+9Just because she gained 4 delegates, it doesn't make her better off. The one state where she was supposed to "make up most of the gap" between her and Obama, Texas, she can barely count as a win.
- z0l0pht, on 03/06/2008, -2/+10I think a split ticket may have been an option if Clinton had gracefully stepped aside during Obama's winning streak, and before her "kitchen sink" attacks. She is far too divisive now to pick as a running mate, and her policies differ too greatly from Obama's (well, some of the larger ones that matter, anyway). Too bad, we could have seen quite a powerful combination in the two.
- siszam, on 03/06/2008, -3/+11"We all know he's hiding something and we all know what kind of president we get with a lawyer "
Typical uneducated Hillary supporter. You know nothing about the woman but you support her. Hillary Clinton graduated from Yale Law School in 1973. Follow along now......that means she is a lawyer. In 1975, a 27-year-old Hillary Rodham, acting as a court-appointed attorney, attacked the credibility of a 12-year-old girl in mounting an aggressive defense for an indigent client accused of rape in Arkansas — using her child development background to help the defendant. Nice huh?
She's also a warmonger who is responsible for the deaths and ruined lives of many Americans. We won't forget that. She's also an admitted corporate whore. The only way she will win if is Obama supporters stay home and forget to vote. - SuperCow1127, on 03/06/2008, -1/+9Interesting statistic: 8/10 Ohio Clinton voters agreed with the statement "Race was a factor in my decision."
- inactive, on 03/06/2008, -0/+7What the police attacking a bunch of peaceful protesters? Only this time they will use tasers instead of batons.
- Kurlumbenus, on 03/06/2008, -0/+7You misspelled pornography.
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