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- netooi25, on 10/10/2007, -20/+310get ready, if it happens its coming out of your taxes cause it sure as heck isnt coming out of thin air...
"Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States."
4Million * $5,000 = $20 billion dollars a year coming from somewhere - Robodoon, on 10/10/2007, -33/+183She is an evil socialist! and a Rockefeller Stooge
- mattowan, on 10/10/2007, -24/+149OMG. Put a fork in her.
- DefendThyself, on 10/10/2007, -35/+151I love how she promotes a separation against us and "the evil rich people." Yet this whore is one of the richest in the country. These uneducated people don't realize she is playing the rich card and the poor eat it up. Who wouldn't want $5,0000? I do, though it will come right out of our pockets. You don't poop money, and it does not grow on trees. She wants to take it from you and give it to others. How about forced redistribution of the middle class wealth to the poor? Can she be anymore Socialistic? Does this women have no pride? She is a whore for the CFR. We need Ron Paul to save the Republic.
- szurls, on 10/10/2007, -25/+137I have a new idea too. I get $5,000 for every idea that is presented without details on how it would be paid for. This way I'll have enough money by the end of the month to give to Newt to run!!!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -12/+100That is the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard. DO NOT GIVE STUPID PEOPLE INCENTIVES TO HAVE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!! They will pop them out faster than rabbits.
Clinton should be smacked for saying such a stupid thing. - Tabou, on 10/10/2007, -40/+116That's what we spend in one week fighting an illegal war in Iraq.
- FreakyD, on 10/10/2007, -15/+77$5000.00 A a baby?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
By 2026 the Mexicans will be loaded!!! - Colindean, on 10/10/2007, -21/+79Or she could propose additional child tax credits and propose a federal program urging parents to buy bonds with the amount saved from the credits. That makes a lot more sense and keeps the government out of our lives.
Better yet, vote Ron Paul in 2008, folks. - LouPickney, on 10/10/2007, -24/+81This sort of big government spending is why I'm supporting Ron Paul for president.
- pasqualepinzon, on 10/10/2007, -22/+73How effin stupid is the everyday American?? Obviously Hildabeast has a low opinion of the average American to even propose this idiocy. Unfortunately it will get her votes. The crackhead welfare voter will work overtime to get their $5000.00
- mtshasta, on 10/10/2007, -12/+63Hillary speaks……
1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
(2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few…… And to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”
(3) “(We) ….can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”
(4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground.”
(5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”
(6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”
Now you might think these were the famous words of the Father of communism, Karl Marx……..
….and you would be on the right track in thinking so…..but you would be wrong……
These pearls of socialist/Marxist wisdom are from none other than our very own, home-grown Marxist………
Hillary Clinton! - Enochyang, on 10/10/2007, -4/+52how about you take that $5000 and put it back into our social security?
- desertdweller, on 10/10/2007, -28/+75I'm sure she got the idea from Russia:
Another socialist big-government big-brother plan. Yech. - desertdweller, on 10/10/2007, -5/+52URL failed -- here's the text.
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By MASHA STROMOVA, Associated Press Writer Tue Sep 11, 12:51 PM ET
ULYANOVSK, Russia - Make a baby. Win a car. Don't be surprised if the streets are empty and curtains drawn in this central Russian region Wednesday as residents take up an offer by the regional governor to help stem Russia's demographic crisis.
Ulyanovsk Gov. Sergei Morozov has decreed Sept. 12 a Day of Conception and is giving couples time off from work to procreate. Couples who give birth nine months later on Russia's national day — June 12 — will receive money, cars, refrigerators and other prizes." - fdmille, on 10/10/2007, -15/+60I'm tired of this bitch! The Clinton's will say ANYTHING if they believe that they can get political points from it, and the Democratic party continues to make stupid promises and the poor people keep believing this type of bull sh*t.
- spanglegluppet, on 10/10/2007, -3/+46We have this in Australia. Everyone just buys plasma TVs with it.
- Daedalus81, on 10/10/2007, -11/+47Imagine all the deadbeat parents who would just have more kids so they can get an extra $5000. We don't really need that.
- lOvOl, on 10/10/2007, -30/+64She is just doing this to lock up the white woman vote, or rather the woman vote itself. The really dumb thing about this is that working young people college educated or not, would be more able to afford a down payment on a home or college tuition if they were not taxed so highly by the government to pay for socialist programs for old people. A baby born today inherits $400,000 in debt if you include future transfer payments to the elderly. So with Hillary's plan, that baby now only owes $395,000 in debt. I don't see Hillary talking about touching Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid, I only hear her talking about mandating everyone pays for health care whether they want to or not.
Also, even though 50% of the country pays almost all of the taxes, the bottom 50% also pays dearly in the form of reduced real wages through wage inflation not keeping up with core inflation. The bottom 50% are often young people trying to get started in life and realistically most people can't start families until they are at least 30 (unless they have a really good job and no college debt). By then, a woman's fertility is going down the tubes (no pun intended). This is just not a practical way to run a society. Young people should be taxed the least, especially since they simply do not yet have the savings that pay for themselves. You can call me an ageist, but this is just being practical since you can work till you are 80 these days, but women (and to a lesser degree men) have a small window of opportunity in their lives to raise a family and those most productive of reproductive years are often spent slaving away in some cubicle.
Bribing people with their own money like Hillary is doing, is just a cynical way of grabbing votes from idiots who fail to realize that they are way overtaxed in the first place. Unfortunately, in America enough people seem dumb enough to vote for her as our next president of the United States that they take this kind of bait, hook, line, and sinker. - FreakyD, on 10/10/2007, -7/+37LMFAO!!!!!
18 years of hell with an unwanted child........BUT I GOTS A FRIDGE!!!!! - rach, on 10/10/2007, -2/+30Can that be retroactive? I was born once.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -19/+44Hillary = Idiot .............Notice how frikkin free she is with YOUR money!
.....it would take the inner-city crack hos all of about 10 seconds to sell that bond - DirtySnachez, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27This is a common practice in Australia. The gov a few years ago bought in the 'baby bonus' as well as the '1st home-owners bonus' which is basically a $8k and $20k windfall from the government to a regular citizen. It helps when you're starting out a family and buying a house, the government here does its bit for you, you know... like *wants* you to survive.
I'd post links but you can google it if you wnat.
Scandanavians are laughing at us all right now. - nex9, on 10/10/2007, -4/+27Next president: anyone NOT named Clinton or Bush.
- Achaean, on 10/10/2007, -9/+30oh cmon now, this is just plain stupid. it doesnt take a genius to realize that people will end up abusing the "baby bond" program. the result will be more irresponsible people having babies simply to make their $5,000.
- thatchimp, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23i'd rather have school vouchers for parents who'd rather use their tax dollars to send their kids to private school rather than public schools than a stupid bond that will do jack ***** in building towards the massive amount of money needed to pay for college. i recently read a study that your kid born today will end up needing 300,000k for their college education. ***** bonds, give us a real choice, and our kids a real chance...
- gwhardyiv, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26"Approximately 4 million babies are born each year in the United States." That's BEFORE the government announces this brilliant plan. I bet condom manufacturers aren't too happy about this proposal.
- JigoroKano, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22I'm all for a bit of socialism: I'm all for public education, public transportation, ...
But this is idiotic. If you want to help with education costs, fund education. If you want to help with people purchasing homes, don't bail the market out of their ridiculous mortgages.
This is buying votes by redistributing wealth, plain and simple. - WilliamDavis, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21Oh, and a free $5,000 account won't exactly be a disincentive for illegal immigration, either.
- Caleb666, on 10/10/2007, -16/+33Ron Paul. That's all I gotta say. He's the only one that actually makes any sense.
- ndstumme, on 10/10/2007, -10/+27He is planning on spending 60 billion on a fence once. That is just one payment of 60 billion. Clinton is planning on spending 20 billion A YEAR. After 3 years she will already have met that 60 billion of Bush's, and will quickly pass it up. Think people.
- eq2s, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17It is worse in Australia. It is not an account the child can access when they are an adult. It is an upfront cash payment to the mother of the child. It encourages people who are already financially struggling and need a bit of extra cash to introduce the long term expenses from a child into their life. The child is less likely to be bought up properly by parents who are financially struggling. It is one of the worst polices that the Australian government has introduced.
- Mauna, on 10/10/2007, -11/+28Hillary wants to legalize the "undocumented immigrants" so she can get their vote. The $5,000 would do it, since what they do best is have babies. She knows they would like the money, so the Democrats are trying desperately to get the amnesty bill passed.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -11/+28So illegal immigrants should get $5000 on top of their free education and not having to pay taxes??
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -10/+26Remember, $5,000 costs a socialist $20,000 to give. It's not even close to 100% efficiency, the bureaucracy (ostensibly created to ensure the policy does not waste money :( ) will burn far more money than will come back to the poor.
Here in the UK we have in the last few years set up a tax credit system to give money back to families. This system costs more each year in waste to maintain than it actually gives out. There are figures that suggest a universal tax break equivalent to the average amount in tax credits given out to the most needy would actually cost the country less than the tax credit system. Of course bureaucracy always takes on a life of it's own and will do so with your $5,000. - Grummond, on 10/10/2007, -14/+30Honestly, i think it's about time the US starts spending the tax dollars on PEOPLE instead of on killing people.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18You could, however, chose to move to a state that doesn't have such a plan. The idea is diversity, somewhere would be a state which has low taxes and those who want low taxes can move there. If the main government passes a law then there is no escape.
- splash, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Australia has a similar system called "Baby Bonus" of around $4000, but only to those who meet certain criteria, ie. earning under 70k a year. The interesting thing is that the bonus is given out in one go, and not spread over a year or something similar. As a result there was a marked increase in the number of TVs bought when this bonus came out.
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17I think it's time the US just stops spending tax dollars.
- Burdell1, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17Under this plan you get your money at 18. It'd be wise to invest in tobacco and alcohol stocks 17 years after the program begins :)
- superdosh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Yes, right back into the hands of corporations. Except for those billions that those corporations seem to have lost.
Investing in the military industrial complex is not the same as investing in the American people. - kalleanka, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14"Scandanavians are laughing at us all right now."
Yes indeed, being from Sweden I read this and I was thinking "finally this Americans come up with a good system that helps the _kids_ of the poor families". But what do I see? Every ***** digger hates the idea. I'm all surprised, I thought Digg was fully of young liberal people.
To me, this is a great idea cause in today's USA, kids born in a poor family are pretty much ***** from day 1 in their life. You guys have to pay for your education, that's all retarded all right. With this system at least you help the poorest along the way so they can afford a decent university when they grow up.
For the rich people in the society (like me) the $5000 is so minor anyway. But for the poor, it helps a lot.
Anyway, maybe I'm to Swedish thinking education is a human right just like food, water and the right to vote. In USA, that's generally not the common idea. If you got no cash, well, you get a crappy education. - Mc0v, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15From her campaign money? I am for it!
- zengonzo, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19That's right. Once you build a fence you don't have to worry about maintenance, supervision, reconstruction .. ever again!
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Yeah, like we need more dumbass people having MORE kids. This is such a horrible idea. I think 99% of our politicians simply don't think anymore before they decide how they spend our money.
- Bkaufman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12While I disagree with the idea, you don't understand what Hillary is saying. She wants to give a 5,000 dollar account that is not accessible until the kid turns 18. This will not allow parents to use the money. Now the kids could misspend it, but I have no compassion for some poor person that wastes the money rather than using it to better themselves.
- WisR, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18Holy crap... I don't know whether to digg or bury this, as this better never happen.
The strange thing is, if this hits the front page, it will be taken as a sign by her campaign that this idea was dugg, and hence has our support. - KlayBorg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Ummm... What about Obama, Gravel, Paul ect.
She hasn't won yet, get other decent candidates in! - geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Oh come on, all politicians lie, it's the only way they can get elected. But you're entirely right on the "what the ***** was she thinking" scale. The end of the article really tells where it's coming from: " Earlier this month, Time magazine proposed a $5,000 baby bond program." She's just latching on to that publicity.
But I entirely agree with the Idiocracy point-of-view. - tizz66, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18Ah yes, typical. Story about a government plan, and people misunderstand and start comparing it to Russia. Allow me to explain...
A baby bond is created when a baby is born, but it is frozen until the child is 18. Only the child can get to it. So that throws out your argument about parents abusing it (and anyway, a child costs a lot more than $5000, why would you have one for that purpose when you will make a net loss?). Anyway... Some children are brought up in irresponsible families through no fault of their own. Something like this would give them a leg up that they might need.
That's how it works in the UK, anyway (although the amount is much lower, only $400, but it's inflation linked). -
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