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- SoyJames, on 11/04/2007, -5/+66Might be a case of the new album not being OWNED by the RIAA. No RIAA membership = No Radio Airplay = PAYOLA.
- atdigg, on 11/01/2007, -3/+38"Censorship is the removal or withholding of information from the public by a controlling group or body. Typically censorship is done by governments, religious groups, or the mass media, although other forms of censorship exist." -- anybody who withholds or remove information practices censorship. Some forms are legal some other are illegal, even if it's legal it might be morally repulsive.
- jthomp3120, on 11/01/2007, -9/+40is it censorship or just a case of clear channel sucking in their music selection
- ncc74656m, on 11/01/2007, -4/+29The problem is that the market isn't working. What's happening is that Clear Channel is being allowed to monopolize the airwaves by this government, and therefore, they are doing them a favor by not playing this stuff.
- Dragular, on 11/01/2007, -1/+25The FCC has, over the years, handed Clear Channel a vast monopoly over the airwaves... I would say that this at least counts as an indirect example of government censorship.
- RyeBrye, on 11/01/2007, -3/+24"Clear Channel has sent out a memo saying:
Alas, there’s a hitch: Radio will not play “Magic.” In fact, sources tell me that Clear Channel has sent an edict to its classic rock stations not to play tracks from “Magic.” But it’s OK to play old Springsteen tracks such as “Dancing in the Dark,” “Born to Run” and “Born in the USA.”
Either this blog author can't write for *****, or Clear Play has a strange habit of quoting rumors about itself in its own memos. - kiwiboyus, on 11/01/2007, -5/+25Clear Channel is *****, I know first hand. Companies like them have killed what Radio used to be.
- zeejay, on 11/01/2007, -3/+21Consolidation of media is a bad, bad thing. It's dangerous. Too much power in far too few hands. New anti-trust laws need to be enacted. But if legislation does ever come up for a vote, most people will never know, because radio and TV won't tell them about it.
- atdigg, on 11/01/2007, -2/+18I think RIAA gets money even for songs of artists that are not enrolled in RIAA... which to me sounds like extortion.
- nightsweat, on 11/01/2007, -2/+16OK, let them use the private airwaves. I want the public ones back.
- kurttrail, on 11/01/2007, -11/+25Considering that Clear Channel is the Fox of Radio, what do you think?
- mrurc, on 11/02/2007, -4/+15OK, I used to work in radio, so I am going to tell you how to do a radio boycott. Send letters to the local radio stations owned by Clear Channel and to Clear Channel headquarters that express your disdain for this action. Make sure that the letters do not contain curse words, offensive speech of any kind, personal attacks, threats, and other things that make you sound crazy. If you use these tactics, the radio station is allowed to discard your letter. Also, be sure to mail a physical letter; stations are not required to retain email complaints unless new regulations have been passed. Include your legal name and mailing address. If you fail to do any of these things, the station and the company is allowed to discard the letter; if you do not, they are required to retain the letter in case there is an FCC investigation. Also complain to the FCC about Clear Channel attempting to silence legal speech through their monopoly power. Also mail the attorney general of NY. Couldn't hurt. :)
Retain a copy of the letter. Your letter is a public document and must be shown to people who request to see their complaint letters. This way you can verify that your letter has been retained. Failure to retain should be reported to the FCC immediately, and include a copy of the letter to prove that you followed the rules. Include the mailing date of your letter and the date on which you asked to see your letter, in order to prove that you waited a reasonable amount of time.
Make sure that you letter states the following information:
1) "I listen to your station, [call letters of station] in [location of station]."
(NOTE: If you do not know the call letters of the station, you need to find out or you have no basis for mailing clear channel if you do not know that the station is a Clear Channel station. The station is required to state the call letters and location of station once per hour, so if you don't know, just listen for an hour. It is common to announce this within the time period 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after the top of the hour.)
2) I really like the latest Bruce Springsteen album, entitled Magic, and am surprised that the station is not playing any of the singles from that album. I have listened for [long time period] to this station, which plays music similar to the music on this album, and I expected that since this album is number [current number] for this musical genre that it would be played on your station. After all, with such high sales, it is clear that people who listen to your station would like to hear music from this album.
(NOTE: if you listen to this station at work or in your carpool or other places where you have a captive audience, you should mention that. If you play it around other people, and you boycott their stations, they will lose the station exposure that you give them for free. While it might be illegal to broadcast publicly, it is a common and accepted practice, so if they tried to prosecute you, you could simply tape the station's ads that have listeners stating that they listen at work. That would prove selective enforcement. Stations love to play quotes from excited listeners who just won a prize who state that they listen at work.)
3) Since I was confused about this, I became suspicious, and I went online to discover allegations that your corporate headquarters is overruling local music directors and requiring that no Clear Channel stations play this album. Not only do I find this horribly offensive, I find it extremely odd, since it good for the popularity of radio stations to play music that people want to hear. It really leads me to wonder what the purpose would be of the parent company to overrule local music directors, in opposition to previous statements that local music directors always have control of the format and songs for that format in that market. The only reasonable explanation that I can think of is that you hold political opposition to the music on the album or to the artists political views. These views are also shared by the majority of the public or they would not be purchasing the album despite lack of airplay.
4) Since I find this offensive and troublesome, I will not be listening to your stations until there has been a public statement from your company that this album has not been banned by Clear Channel and I see reports that the album is being played on Clear Channel stations, including my local favorite, [insert call letters], in similar play rotations as other top albums in this genre. In order to facilitate this, I have looked up the ownership of all stations in my area that I might listen to and know to not listen to any of them. I have plenty of other options that would love my business. I will also complain to and boycott companies that advertise on your billboards and boycott any additional businesses that I determine do business with Clear Channel.
(NOTE: if you listen at work, please restate that at this point.) - TheLoneHoot, on 11/01/2007, -5/+15Look what they tried to do to the Dixie Chicks
- ZenMojo, on 11/01/2007, -5/+14Censorship is censorship. Now, sometimes someone is fully within their legal rights to censor something, but that doesn't make them any less a bunch of douchebags.
- metalgodz, on 11/02/2007, -0/+9Nope, it's RIAA...
Go to http://riaaradar.com, search by artist, and type in Springsteen. It's the first result. - ravens32681, on 10/31/2007, -1/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%22songs_with ...
Most of these songs not only were released before 9/11 but they also have nothing to do with 9/11 or war in general and are actually protest songs such as "Get Together" by the Youngbloods. Clear Channel are a bunch of pussies. Music is about anything and everything. Any idiot can interpret almost any song to mean what they want. I am sick of idiots using 9/11 to take away our rights. 9/11 was disturbing and it should never happen again, but you cannot keep claiming that things should not be allowed because it could be insensitive to certain people, especially when those things are far off from what these ***** think the meaning of them are. "You dropped a Bomb On Me" by the Gap Band. Good job idiots, you take 6 words from a song and completely change its meaning. If you listen to the song it's just a metaphor for a relationship problem between a guy and his girl. What the ***** does it have to do with planes crashing into the World Trade Center, besides just the title. Clear Channel Communications: Get over yourselves. You have no right to decide what people need to be protected from. Go ***** yourselves! "Imagine" by John Lennon? If he knew this song was on this list he would think everyone is on LSD. That is how stupid Clear Channel is. - ncc74656m, on 11/01/2007, -5/+13Actually, he's more relevant than you are, judging by your current DIgg count.
- meamog, on 11/01/2007, -0/+7You know, I agree with you, but consider this: in St Louis, the premier classic rock station is KSHE 95. They play everything from Nickelback (shudder) to The Doors. Granted, they're owned by Emmis Communications, but you get the idea - there are alot of "classic rock" stations that play a variety of rock music. The new Springsteen record would sound great between some old Floyd and Zep anyhow.
- brianary, on 11/01/2007, -2/+9So why did Clear Channel even need to say it? Why single out this album?
- nsummy, on 11/01/2007, -9/+16How is this censorship? "Magic" is not classic rock. It's new. Sure he has older songs, which are obviously still being played by Clear Channel classic rock stations.
- mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6Why yes, I do think that Clear Channel is a very good example of why libertarian ideals are great in theory but not in practice.
- dvdrtrgn, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6Your ***** doesn't stink, right? Why do you hate freedom??
- mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6Clear Channel repeatedly states that it is their policy that local music directors have control over the content. They state this in order to fend off FCC regulations and complaints about issues just like this. When they make policies like this at a national level it contradicts these statements. These corporate decisions not only affect hundreds, possibly thousands of stations, they also override the ability of music directors to determine which songs the individual stations' listeners want to hear.
Besides, you analogy still fails because you are still talking about single single station content decisions, which is what Clear Channel is overruling. - KnightMareInc, on 11/02/2007, -2/+8I hate Clear Channel after their election escapades
- MicrosoftBob, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5Nickelodeon: I just want reruns of You Can't Do That On Television.
- mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5I'd say that it is a good example of why radio consolidation is a bad idea. If Clear Channel had real competition they wouldn't be able to do stuff like this.
They bought some concert venues a while back. I wonder if Bruce Springsteen will be banned from those as well. - bubba9999, on 11/01/2007, -1/+6Last time he had a new album out. But then again, I don't listen to ClearChannel stations.
- mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5No, actually, it is quite different from Air America not playing songs by country artists that support Bush. The difference is that Air America is a single station, making a content decision based on the desires of people who listen to the station. If Clear Channel bans an album for all stations, it over rules the local content analysts who are supposed to be play things according to the desires of their local listeners, just like Air America does, and which, according to Clear Channel, are always given free reign to determine content appropriate to their audience.
Clear Channel brings up this local music directors have free reign whenever something like this comes up, in order to fend of any action by the FCC. - brianary, on 11/01/2007, -2/+7So why did Clear Channel even need to say it? Why single out this album?
- archistudent, on 11/06/2007, -4/+9With apologies: last you checked, you were wrong.
- HoboHookah, on 11/01/2007, -3/+8Anyone know of a boycott going on for Clear Channel? I sign whatever. Regardless of Bruce, that company sucks and the world would be better off with out them.
- ncc74656m, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5Not sure if you realize, but Bruce has explicitly stated that this song is about the current situation in the country. It's about manufacturing the truth, believing what "we" say, not what you see.
- ibookfast, on 11/02/2007, -1/+6the ironic thing is that the neo-cons are destroying America, while those liberals (at least by American standards) are trying to reverse that trend. neo-cons are NOT conservative, they are pseudo-fascists.
- Radscott, on 11/01/2007, -3/+8Yeah, Clear Channel is ignoring it as are most other companies. When was the last time you heard a new Bruce Springsteen song on the radio?
- themarq, on 11/01/2007, -6/+11I know it's nitpicking but this is not a case of censorship, anymore than a country and western station isn't "censoring" by not playing AC/DC or Celine Dion (actually no one should play Celine Dion, but that's a different rant). A radio station can chose to play or not play whatever they want, that's a a free market.
Censorship would be the gov't telling radio stations not to play The Dixie Chicks because their music is anti-American (for example).
So in answer to your question, this is just a case of clear channel sucking. - dvdrtrgn, on 11/01/2007, -1/+6Funny? Feigning ignorance is funny. BTW, have you ever listened to a classic rock station? 30-50% new *****.
- inactive, on 11/01/2007, -6/+11It is a case of a CLASSIC ROCK station being told to stick to CLASSIC ROCK, and not songs that were released this month.
- vwvan, on 11/01/2007, -6/+11Ok. Time for Clear Channel to feel the Digg Effect. I canceled my 500 channels of infomercial money-wasting trash. How do I send money directly to Bruce Springsteen? Where can I buy this song, right now? Just a sec: OK. Found it on iTunes. It's downloading while I finish this message. Instant justice. Deal with it. Next problem please.
- mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -1/+6I am not sure that you have never listened to Clear Channel, unless you have never listened to commercial radio. I am also not convinced that you have never looked at a Clear Channel billboard or been to a Clear Channel venue. Most people do business with Clear Channel whether they want to or not.
Many places no longer have local CD stores. Big box stores have driven many out of business. - mrurc, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5Perhaps I should become your "bury stalker" in order to report you for every personal attack disguised as an argument. Any reasonable person would assume that someone else would only make a statement like "he gets it and this song shows that he gets it" having actually listened to the song. So why are you bashing those people when you are not saying ANYTHING that implies that you have actually listened to the song?
In other words, get your panties out of a bunch, you person who has only looked at a digg title and had to go against the bandwagon merely for the sake of going against the bandwagon. Occasionally, the bandwagon has a point. - Elderon, on 11/01/2007, -2/+7Thats just retarded. This is my opinion but Personally I think clear water should just focus on making sure their stations run and have equipment and possibly broker anything with artists. They should not have a say in what individual stations air. I feel that should be left to the discretion of the manager or whoever is in charge of each station. every stations viewer area is different. blanket orders on what songs to or not to play is wrong imo
- anononon, on 11/01/2007, -0/+4They're mobsters.
- mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -0/+4No, you are just make ill-informed, nonsensical posts, something that will get you dugg down without a "bury stalker."
Perhaps if you didn't additionally insult the digg readers, you would get buried less. - centran, on 11/01/2007, -0/+4They can get money through various organizations that have a blanket coverage for live performances and online radio play.
These various organizations soundexchange bmi ascap sesac
can charge people for ANY music played live or through online radio(over air radio is different)
So lets say you are a band and play original work by you. They can sue the bar for not paying a license to play your original work. This of course can be overturned with a signed letter from the original artist saying it is OK but still that is messed up! - Alphab, on 11/01/2007, -1/+5Did you listen to this last album?
It's definitly the best I've hear since a LONG time from anybody! If anything, it's closer to the "old good stuff" than he has been for decades... - mrurc, on 11/02/2007, -0/+4Clear Channel owns a ton of stations and most of them are not classic rock. Radio is supposed to play the music that people in the area want to hear. National corporate dictations of albums that will not be played is contrary to the mission of playing what the people who listen want to hear. This is a very popular album and as such, people who listen to that style of music want to hear it played. So why would Clear Channel refuse to play an album that people in the area want to hear? To keep the albums from a getting exposure, which limits sales of the albums.
The songs that they are allowing were popular in a time before Clear Channel became as powerful as it is. They need to play the old albums or the listeners will ask why. The listeners can not ask why a station is not playing an album that they don't know exists.
I used to run a public radio station that was formatted by a former Clear Channel music director and I know how their formatting system works. According to their formulas, a single from this album should be in the most frequently rotated group and play on stations for that format every 45 minutes to 2 hours, depending on the style of music.
The proper course of action is for people to loudly boycott all Clear Channel stations. Send letters to the station that contain no curse words or personal attacks and they will have to be retained for legal reasons. If the FCC investigates, they need retained listener complaints. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -2/+5The (ruled illegal) PAYOLA system was replaced by CLEAR CHANNEL, a company that now acts as a middle man for BOTH the advertising and playlist interests of their owners - the five media conglomerates. Modern commercial radio is owned completely by these mega-corporations, which is why those stations only play pap crap that they themselves shovel out to the public as if it was "music".
The NEW radio is P2P. Download it all. Buy what you like DIRECTLY FROM THE ARTISTS not from the store or even from iTunes (the artists don't see any of that money either) or buy their merchandise and concert tickets (even if you can't attend).
Support the ARTISTS who create and perform the music and you'll help kill the distribution dinosaurs faster. And since they FUND the RIAA, if you kill them, you'll kill their bastard progeny. - mrurc, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3The FCC had anti-trust regulations which they recently eliminated on the request of companies like Clear Channel who are consolidating media. (By recently, I mean in the last 20 years.) This is not a legal issue that can be handled by Congress; it is under the jurisdiction of the FCC, which is currently under the control of the big business executive branch. Congress can recommend that the FCC enact anti-consolidation regulations but the FCC is not required to listen to Congressional recommendations. This is why in my explanation of how to do a radio boycott below, I recommend complaining to the FCC about the actions of this media consolidation conglomerate.
- factory81, on 11/01/2007, -1/+4Attempting to silence? Clear Channel picks and chooses any and every song they play on any radio station. They play what they are paid to play. Clear Channel is the ***** form of radio ever.
- SteveDeGroof, on 11/01/2007, -2/+5People still listen to clearchannel?
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