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- bwa236, on 06/07/2008, -4/+54I don't know about you, but though I think impeachment really hurt this country in the late 90's, I honestly think it is deserved for (at least) Cheney and others who were in charge (perhaps Bush for being simply a puppet).
There has to be recourse or there will be no reason NOT to do it in the future. Clinton had his dick sucked and got impeached for telling a lie that no married man would fess up to (not taking up for him though), in this case thousands are dead and trillions more added to the debt based on a faulty premise (that's being gentle).
I just don't understand why impeachment is off the table. - toddcat, on 06/06/2008, -8/+50No kidding. They shouldn't be on The Daily Show, they shouldn't be interviewed by the NY Times for their opinions about possible solutions in Iraq, they shouldn't be considered for their opinions about the disposal or even the absence of WMDs in Iraq. Like Clarke says, these are not serious people. These are extreme warmongers.
- DangerCollie, on 06/07/2008, -0/+35Clarke is right on. Not only the war architects, but hunt down anyone involved with trying to influence elections or cage voters. If we allow these people to melt back into the population, we'll just have to deal with them again. They're already hard at work trying to re-write the history of their failed philosophy. Keep in mind Clarke was one of the few insiders consistently saying the intelligence was being manipulated in the run up to the war.
People like Rove, Feith, Rumsfeld and Cheney are a cancer on our society and you don't just hope cancer goes away. You get in there, find out how far it goes and dig it out. Find out who in the Justice Dept and FBI were feeding Rove political information. Find out who in the media were out parroting White House talking points. This isn't rocket science, just follow the money.
The interesting question is if we find out there was a cover up of election results in 2000 or 2004, is it fair to allow the cheaters influence to continue by letting their Supreme Court appointments finish their terms? This is a fairly unique moment in our history. How we react now will go a long way in deciding if this is a turning point or just a lull in the fighting. Then there's the question about popular support. The majority of the American public supported them in the run up to the war. You had to be a complete cluetard not to see how flimsy the evidence was, but most people went along with it. Is it fair to hang the neocon conspirators when so many allowed themselves to be so completely duped with so little effort? - inactive, on 06/07/2008, -2/+32They're damaging America more than terrorists ever could hope to.
- overtoke, on 06/07/2008, -3/+24"I just don’t think we can let these people back into polite society and give them jobs on university boards and corporate boards and just let them pretend that nothing ever happened when there are 4,000 Americans dead and 25,000 Americans grieviously wounded."
the media still refuses to ever mention the number if Iraqi dead and wounded. currently, there are over 91000 dead Iraqi civilians that have been reported by individual news reports since the war has started. add to that estimated deaths, corroborated by multiple studies, which show that 600,000 to over a million deaths have occurred because of 'our' war of choice, based on lies. - altgeeky1, on 06/07/2008, -2/+21>I just don't understand why impeachment is off the table.
Two words: martial law.
You can't remove the President if HIS Attorney General does not support your removal.
FEMA has the power to DISBAND Congress.
FEMA has jurisdiction where-ever the President says it does, and can assume control in event of NON-natural disasters (such as, say, food riots or a breakdown in transportation, or just plain old mass 'sedition').
No president has held this much power (perhaps Lincoln).
What we have is something almost like Russian Democracy (including concentrated control of the media), except it's a little more subtle. - overtoke, on 06/07/2008, -1/+17it's off the table because the entire government body is either corrupt or in fear of their lives from those corrupted.
- WTFppl, on 06/07/2008, -2/+15If you're quite enough, you might hear the thoughts contributing to the next move Fitzgerald is going to make!
/Law does not forgive, it punishes! I vote for no Impeachment, but replace impeachment with CRIMINAL TRIAL! - stretch611, on 06/07/2008, -2/+15Instead of saying where they shouldn't be; lets cut to the point and say where they should be: Behind bars, no parole.
While it may not sound pretty to have an ex-president in jail, that is where dictators belong.
I am sure that using the word dictator makes me seem radical, but that is what you call someone who:
Makes laws that do not apply to himself (through signing statements.)
Oppresses free speech (you are for us or you are unpatriotic)
Spies on his own citizens.
Constantly lies to the people.
Has the justice department only prosecute his political enemies.
Ignore the pleas of help from his own citizens (Katrina) - jhails, on 06/07/2008, -0/+12We should save impeachment for really serious infractions like blow jobs and sexually suggestive handling of cigars.
- savagesteve13, on 06/07/2008, -2/+13Let's face it, Americans wanted Bush. Americans deserve to lose their houses, lose their jobs, and have the country end up like Russia....a weak economic power with nukes.
America is a land of legal thievery, and Bush found out how far you can go in that regards without repercussions. - skeptic666, on 06/07/2008, -2/+13If Bush isn't impeached for lying to the nation (and the world?) he should at least be held responsible for war crimes of some sort... Cheney should be forced to live in Iraq and see how much of a liberator they greet him as.
It is up to decent Americans and true patriots to explain to our slower brethren who still stand behind our president and his policies of deception, that they need to get their heads out of the sand and maybe read a little literature on the topic (Fox News headlines excluded). - sodade, on 06/07/2008, -2/+13You forget all of the Iraqis we killed in the 90's.
How can we expect the Iraqi people to not hate our guts eternally? - Ablue, on 06/07/2008, -1/+11It is pretty disgusting watching everything unfold. I cannot for the life of me understand why the democratic senate has not been forthcoming with impeachment trials.
I guess if continues to get ignored there would have to be a point where there will be lynch mobs after Bush and Co.
Maybe John Titor was right, viva la revolution! - jdacal, on 06/07/2008, -6/+15Quote from Stevanoski: "Oh, that's right, he now gives fuel to the those who hate Bush."
Yes correct. You mean all 68% of us? - stretch611, on 06/07/2008, -1/+10OC73, The Bill of rights guarantees me free speech. Just because my opinions go against the will of the current administration does not make me treasonous.
Over the history of the US, many people have died to ensure our freedoms. The only heinous act is trying to oppress those freedoms which is what the bush administration has been doing for 7.5 years now. And the truly sad fact is that it appears they are doing it for nothing more than their greed.
While the US does have many enemies, just because Bush calls someone or some entity an enemy does not make it true. - chase001, on 06/07/2008, -2/+11First and foremost the Bushes are basically all bank robbers. Clinton left them with a nice juicy full treasury to loot and launder to private companies. All the needed was a "war" or two to get Congress to write them blank checks.
- JEAH, on 06/06/2008, -7/+16how many references do you have backing up your statement? oh, that's right, none.
- inactive, on 06/07/2008, -2/+10I'm sorry, that is total *****. It's not as if this happened 100 years ago, we can check the ***** news archives you know.
There were masses of people who didn't believe Saddam had WMD. The UN. Hans Blix. Multiple groups and military analysts in Europe. My god, you're trying to re-write history.
You have to be totally brainwashed to believe that *****. Do you actually do any reading of your own outside of what is fed you by limited GOP-fellating sources? - inactive, on 06/07/2008, -4/+12Your time is over.
You had a good run, 8 years. It turned out to be a fiery wreck. All your principles and beliefs (such as they are) are shown to be in tatters. Nothing you can say will alter that. Anyone sane, attached to reality, sees it. So keep on your ***** comments, because you're just wasting your own time, which is a good thing, because it keeps you out of trouble.
We know now that we can't trust your type. We've seen the results of that. Wallow in your failure. - thereisnostate, on 06/07/2008, -0/+7"They Shouldn't be in Society"
You mean the millions of Americans who voted for Bush twice? - TrevorBelmont, on 06/07/2008, -4/+11"Sure, I shot that elderly woman in the face and then sexually defiled the bullet hole in her still living head, but I'm sorry!"
"That's good enough for me!" - denizen42, on 06/07/2008, -5/+12Neither should neocon sociopaths.
- stretch611, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8If he said "attacking Iraq was like attacking Mexico after Pearl Harbor," it sounds like he is actually quite observant. The only dumb clown is the parent post.
- kingUssop, on 06/07/2008, -1/+7American leftists did that? I guess I didn't read the History By Retarded People book you read.
- inactive, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6 They should be shunned at Temple.
- stretch611, on 06/07/2008, -1/+7Unfortunately, many corporate boards would love to have these people on them because they share the same moral conviction. (Which is profit, power, and greed rule, nothing else matters)
Also, as ex-politicians, they are perfect as future lobbyists because they know everyone already.
In spite of the above, I do believe in what you say, the realist in me just does not see it happening. - byronne, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6Gee whiz, that seems a little extreme, overtoke.
Tell you what: Relax, smoke a bowl and consider that we still live in a free society where the guilty are punished and the innocent vindicated.
Oh wait. *cough*
If we're lucky, the Magical Mystery Tour boxcars will be here soon. - wipis, on 06/07/2008, -2/+7And how many home grown terrorist did the republicans find in US Mosques? Oh right, none.
Granted the Bush administration has done more for fighting terrorist on US soil then any have in the past. But his methods are horrible and really has shown very little results. Its hard to forgive him for the blunders in his international policy just because of a few things he did right on the home front.
And in case you didn't notice terrorism isn't grown here in America. People born and raised here like it to much. You want to stop terrorist? Catch them at the border. - imolaavant, on 06/07/2008, -2/+7Look how much impeachment hurt Clinton. Impeachment is a slap on the wrist. I hope the reason it's off the table is because they plan on going after him for treason or war crimes once his term is up.
- bugsy187, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6Have you considered that the Bush admin. says and what its actual goals are might be separate? Are you part of the "keep government small" and "don't trust the government" crowd? If so, you should question everything your elected officials say and do. They're elected to do your bidding and need to be checked every step of the way. Bush is not the king, he's the servant. He should follow our orders.
The Bush administration never presented evidence of a real threat from Iraq. Nothing even close to evidence. When pressed, they provided a list of possible motivations lifted from a grad. student's paper. WMD's that they "knew" existed were never found. Justification for war requires solid, well documented evidence because many lives are at stake. Invading a sovereign nation without proof is aggression, the supreme crime of international law. It's what the Nazis were hanged for in Nuremberg. Our country agreed to hold its leaders accountable and has an obligation to the international community. The Bush admin. committed the crime and should be tried. Richard Clarke merely points out their crimes. He's also protected by the first amendment. - laserblazer, on 06/07/2008, -2/+7There will be an ODESSA-style group to 'launder' Bush's supporters. America hasn't seen the worst of the Bush coup yet and its perpetrators and their minions will want to participate in decent society once the usurper is deposed.
- TrevorBelmont, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4The preceding fictionalization was written to illustrate the absurd nature of Mr. Clarke's suggestion that an apology would be substantial enough repercussion for multiple, egregious acts of treason. Consider it a parable.
It would be utterly absurd to accept an apology and admittance of guilt as the sole consequence of an unspeakably violent crime such as the one mentioned in the above comment. It would be ignored and then criminal proceedings and appropriate punishment would immediately commence. How then, is it acceptable when members of the highest echelon of government collude to commit similarly horrible acts on a grand scale and be excused for said acts merely because they cop to it? Are they part of a caste that is held to a different set of laws and expectations? The Constitution has not laid out separate or special rights for those who serve in elected public positions. I wonder why it is then that in this case we treat it as though they were.
These men have knowingly created a situation that has led to the injury or death of thousands of people both domestic and foreign and decreased the quality of life for every citizen of this country and pervasively weakened our nation. To accept an apology would be paramount to saying that in America it is acceptable for public officers to commit crimes.
The real point of all this is that we should let treason be treason and deal with it appropriately.
I hope this has shed some light on my previous comment. - mlhams, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4What is the difference between the US and the old USSR? One more party to give the illusion of choice.
- Nconn360, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Another thing that doesn't routinely get reported is the millions of internally displaced people (IDP's) as well as all of the Iraqi refugees trying to be absorbed into city slums in Syria and elsewhere (totalling around 3-4 million human beings) over-stressing infrastructure and engendering more understandable hatred from everyone who has been directly and/or indirectly ***** over by this war. Greatest single strategic blunder in American history, bar none.
- SidU, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4I will admit that Pelosi and other high ranking members of the senate acted dubiously in regard to the matter of impeachment, but the time for impeachment has long past. Honestly, all we can look forward to is to try not only those who will be scapegoats but those truly responsible for war crimes; the evidence is slowly piling up, and I am sure that come this February there would be enough testimony from insiders and dissenter to make a clear case.
- SOS84, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Bush et al belong is prison. Their collective estates, including all of Blackwater and Haliburton's holdings, should be liquidated and turned over to the Iraqi's so they can use the money to help rebuild their country.
- mlhams, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Bush is a big believer in state run executions. Before killing hundreds of thousands through his illegal war he personally executed many prisoners in Texas.
I believe in the sanctity of life but for Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfield, I would make an exception and call for them to first be tortured according to their own guidelines and then be publicly executed on the White house lawn. - mlhams, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5The US very definitely tricked (and in particular coerced) other countries to get involved. When you are the biggest bully on the block with all the guns and you say "you are either with me or against me", countries choose to collaborate rather than be ostracized or destroyed.
- inactive, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4 I agree...The Dems and the Reps are two sides of the same coin...Both are corrupt,greedy,self serving corporate ass kissers.
- hivoltage815, on 06/07/2008, -4/+7The Democrats are no better than the republicans, all corrupt.
- deinosmos, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5Show me a monkey in tweed, *****.
- JEAH, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5"Nothing he says should be given any credence."
yea, that was the opinion of many gov people who didn't care to listen to Clarke when he was frantic to stop Al-Qaeda pre-9/11. - inactive, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4 I agree that is where they should be and all their helpers...But in my gut,I know the whole lot of them will waltz into the sunset and thumb their noses at the rest of us.
- roho76, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3Bingo! I hope. I hope.
You can't pardon anyone if your not the president. And if Obama or (McCain. HA!) pardons these jackasses) I think there would be enough of an upset to get some real justice done. - TrevorBelmont, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3I don't think you know what " / " means.
- inactive, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4 Adam Gadhan? How do you equate a phony Jewish Al Queda clown from California with those two guys?
- kaelyiesta, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3Thats exactly the kind of fanatic mentality that leads to violent revolutions that end up installing an more harmful government than the original one.
- roho76, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3I would give anything to drop these ***** right in the thick of it with nothing but a change of underwear cuz they would ***** their pants.
- frelk, on 06/07/2008, -5/+8This ignores the central issue--the scarcity of hot water bottles in the dehydrated baby community. Clarke noticeably does not comment on this important issue.
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