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Christian counselor fired for trying to help lesbian

worldnetdaily.com — The counselor didn't want to get involved with something that went against her religious beliefs. She was up-front about that and referred the counselee to another counselor. But the counselee wouldn't leave it alone. Neither would the counselor's supervisor. Result: lawsult. Add to it that we are dealing with the Seedy See.

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  • jp111, on 07/17/2008, -18/+9Should've advised her to try men....... unless of course, the leszbo was as ugly as most of em!
    Anybody else sick for these perverted freaks ruining society? Just look at San flamer Sicko.
    Come on, you pervs - time to diggggg!
    • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -7/+15Not a surprising comment to this article. You clearly don't even understand what a lesbian is if you think advising them to like men would do anything. Your intolerance is bred from ignorance.
      • oestec, on 07/17/2008, -10/+8True; it's like trying to convince a pedophile to not molest, or an alcoholic to not take a drink. That sort of change has to come from within.

        As far as lesbians are concerned, who can change what G_d has established?

        "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature."
        Romans 1:26
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12Who is harmed in a gay relationship? How is that anything like an Alcoholic or pedophile?
      • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -5/+6"Who is harmed in a gay relationship?"

        the guy on the "receiving" end?
      • Cate320, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5He's consenting to it, so he must enjoy it.

        So are heterosexual couples that engage in anal sex immoral as well?

        This article is about lesbians btw. How do *they* hurt each other?
    • Evilena, on 07/17/2008, -4/+11Watch out jp111. If you start attacking lesbians by calling them ugly, I will have to prove you wrong by posting links to pictures of hot lesbians. We both know how that will turn out. This is your first and only warning.
      • Coven, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Don't stop on his account. Lets see those pics! Portia De Rossi ftw!
      • ieee, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4Evilena, can you post those pics anyway ? :)
      • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5ya i think ALL lesbians are butt-ugly. i dare you to prove me wrong. double dare... triple dog dare!!
      • Evilena, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3I thinking about making my own version of this video
        http://digg.com/general_sciences/Signs_You_re_a_Fu ...
        with original quotes and hot lesbians sinning in the background tempting everyone to watch as I shove the fruit of the tree of knowledge down their throat.
        I will title the video "Let Sleeping Dragons Lie"

  • Taquoshi, on 07/17/2008, -9/+24Wow, someone had a conflict between their beliefs and the counseling asked for and referred the patient to another counselor. For doing the right thing, she's now been suspended. The patient, (pay attention here) who is there for counseling about her life situation filed suit against this woman because the therapist tried to direct her to someone who could help. This is very similar to the story about the lesbian couple who wanted a photographer for their civil union. When their business was declined, then they sued. So, this is how it is going to be from now on, right? If a gay or lesbian person wants your services, you must accept their terms of service or be sued. This type of behavior may appear to win the battle, but coercion usually ended up on the losing side of the war.
    • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -7/+14"If a gay or lesbian person wants your services, you must accept their terms of service or be sued."

      Yep. If you advertise a product or service and refuse to provide that product or service just because the customer is gay you should be sued. It's called discrimination, Google it.
      • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/17/2008, -8/+11Can you walk and chew gum at the same time? Your example in no way relates to the situation. A counselor realized she could not help and took appropriate steps to make sure the client recieved the help she needed. In typical radical gay nazi fashion she was fired for doing her job. Get a clue.
      • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -10/+12google this, cheese-wheel

        "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT, TO REFUSE BUSINESS TO ANYONE."
      • card51short, on 07/17/2008, -13/+8don't mind herkimer...he is absolutely obsessed with race, religion and sexual preference.
        That's all he sees when he sees people. He thinks because she is a lesbian, IT MUST mean she was discriminated against.

        I, on the other hand, wasn't there so I don't know.
        Herkimer, he knows though ;)
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -5/+10Better than being obsessed with another Digg user, Card. Ah excuse me, two now, Herk and Onetimer.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -4/+9I don't even read Card's garbage anymore. I just bury it and move on.
    • oestec, on 07/17/2008, -8/+9The only "right" thing she could have done was to correct her obviously flawed thinking. Anything short of complete ***** acceptance will not be tolerated.
  • maybeth, on 07/17/2008, -14/+20What do these people want ?? They will not be happy until all of us actually agree with their life styles. There seem to me to be a lot of homosexuals that are not too happy with God-fearing people Should we start suing them if they don't completely agree with our beliefs? This counselor was trying to do the right thing. She just could simply not win either way.
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -3/+13Pretty sure you could sue someone that refused to give you services based on your Christian beliefs.

      There is a difference between disagreeing and outright refusing service, by the way...
      • oestec, on 07/17/2008, -8/+10Her "service" would have included telling this woman she has to change her ways!!! Imagine the lawsuit THAT would have generated! By referring her to another counselor, she WAS helping her as best she could!!! Get a clue!
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -6/+13How do you know that's what she would have said?
      • USNavyBlue, on 07/17/2008, -10/+6Horton: Get a clue, dude! "How do you know that's what she would have said?"

        I hope you are being sarcastic, if not than you are truly ignorant of what the bible states and what the bible commands of Christians.

        If that is truly the case please exit this thread and don't post anything pertaining to this topic until you get educated, then maybe you will be able to debate the topic at hand properly without looking so foolish.

      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -5/+14So she shouldn't be a counselor. Problem solved. If she can't think for herself and provide real advice, she should just quit and post a sign on her door that says "read the Bible". While still largely useless, it'd save some money and effort on everyone's part.

        If these people were looking for religious advice, they would've gone to a church. They didn't.

        Thanks for making that point. In the future, I'd appreciate it if you actually thought about what you were saying before you say it. It makes this boring for me if you just defeat yourself in debate.
      • jimbeam31, on 07/17/2008, -4/+5Horton, dont be ignorant. Even a judge will recuse himself if there is a conflict of interest. This counselor had a conflict of interest, plain and simple.

        Put in a different light. For example you have someone come to you for advice on how to cheat on a test or on their taxes (or pick any illegal activity for that matter). As a law abiding person it goes against your basic moral guidelines to assist anyone from doing something illegal, right. Please note that due to my example I am not saying that being gay or lesbian is against civil law, this purely an example.

        The counselor sees herself as aiding someone in a course of action she sees as a conflict with her own mores but recuses herself in the interest of the client and sends her to someone who has NO conflict with the situation. What's the problem?
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5I do not understand why an individual would insist on being counseled by a person who is uncomfortable with his or her chosen lifestyle. What's the point? I would be appreciative of anyone who cared enough to refer me to a professional better suited to my particular needs.
    • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/17/2008, -11/+14It's not about tolerance. It's about punishment. If you don't approve of and celebrate their deviancy you will be made to suffer.
      • Coven, on 07/17/2008, -5/+12You don't have to celebrate or approve of anything. Just stop your discrimination against them. Nobody is forcing you to accept homosexuals into your home. Just stop trying to legislate them back into the closet.
      • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -6/+8"Nobody is forcing you to accept homosexuals into your home."

        unless you work from home
      • jimbeam31, on 07/17/2008, -5/+7Then please stop discriminating against people who do not want to have gay and lesbian issues shoved down our throats. Reverse discrimination does not work. Keep in mind most people are "live and let live." I also do not believe in physical, emotional or psychological intimidation of those who are gay/lesbian. All of us are God's children and worthy of love. God has said to hate the sin but love the sinner. You know, we are all sinners in this world.

        I am a Christian and if people want to be gay/lesbian and live their life that way...fine. They owe no account of their life to me...personally it's way to big of a responsibility. I am not here to judge them. I am not qualified to judge people other than myself and my own actions. I only judge what I will let into my house.

        I work with gays and lesbians and have no problems with them. We are friendly, we like each other and we help each other out, when the need arises. However, they, and myself will have to answer to God for our actions and the decisions we have made in our lives. What is correct and incorrect in the eyes of God will not change regardless of what men and women think on this Earth.
      • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -4/+10@jimbeam

        You are in a story about homosexual issues, complaining about having to deal with homosexual issues?

        And what is being shoved down your throat? You might want to re-consider your sentence phrasing...
      • Cate320, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Jimbeam31 if you really feel that tolerant of gays and lesbians, we don't have an issue with you. However, it becomes a problem if you feel that you can deny service to someone just because you don't like their sexual orientation, race, whatever. This can't be allowed to happen for what *should* be obvious reasons. I realize that this is a minor case and (if the article is 100% accurate, and not trying to spin it from one side) then the woman probably did overreact. However, if allowed, it has dangerous implications. How long before a good Christian EMT refuses service to an injured/dying gay person or tries to refer them to another?

        For the record, it is just about discrimination based on anything, NOT special rights or forcing you to celebrate their lifestyle. I think most people pro-gay rights would support a Christian, white, heterosexual man if he was being discriminated against (by being denied service, not just because someone disagrees with you).
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -4/+4I can't think of one sane person who would refuse medical treatment to another based on sexual preference, but it DOES make me sad that people aren't permitted to make conscience-based decisions anymore when it comes to the *lifestyle* choices of others. MAINLY because it incites anger that wouldn't have been inspired if the litigious party had simply moved on and set a dignified example. I've been discriminated against for being female in a job situation where I would have won promotion easily had I been born with a penis, but I wasn't -- too bad! I got another job. Never occurred to me to sue the dingbats....why would I want to work for people whose main requirement was the ability to produce sperm?
        Better to go where you're appreciated.
      • chattymik, on 07/18/2008, -4/+5This woman was not denied services. HOW can you counsel someone about a relationship you disagree with. ;The narcissism of homosexuals always amazes me. It always revolves around them and their sexual preferences.
      • Cate320, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Not everyone has that option Salesti. Some fields are very narrow and have limited job opportunities. It isn't always possible to just switch jobs without taking a huge pay cut. I also can't think of one sane person that would refuse medical treatment to someone. But not everyone is sane. Some people get quite irrational when it comes to their religious beliefs. I've seen people on Digg threaten to "take out their guns and start shooting" and similar comments when it comes to gays. The law protects homosexuals from *those* people, not the sane ones.

        @chattymilk You can counsel someone on a relationship you don't agree with just fine. Do you think that all counselors 100% approve of the relationships of the people they are counseling? I think they'd be out of a job if they were that selective. I'm sure they hear stories that would cause their first instinct to say "leave this person!" but it isn't their job to make judgments. For example, I certainly don't "agree with" a woman in a relationship with a man that doesn't respect her and is possibly emotionally abusive, but the job of a counselor is to help people through troubles like that if they want to stay together.

        Can you show me how this *doesn't* have to do with sexual preferences?

    • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5That's not at all the case. You're not nearly as important as you think you are, miss thang. No homosexual will ever ask you personally for your permission to be a happy and functional individual. Your approval is not necessary, just as the approval of racists was not necessary to secure blacks the same rights enjoyed by whites not too long ago. Nobody cares what you personally think except you, and that's exactly how it should be: hold your convictions, believe what you like, and mind your own damned business. Why must you people be such sanctimonious busybodies?
      • maybeth, on 07/20/2008, -7/+1What in the f*** are you talking about MISS THANG when you say "that is not at all the case"?? If this Christian counselor was to counsel aligned to her beliefs she would been sued for not agreeing with the homosexual agenda. On the other hand, she was TRYING to do the right thing by finding this person a counselor that does not disagree with the homosexual agenda and she is still sued. What would have you had her do? Just listen to this woman and her issues, in complete disagreement and be totally non-affective not being able to give her real opinion? Let me tell you this. I am VERY familiar with this homosexual agenda and my piece of s***, SELFISH ex made it my business. We were together 9 YEARS(yes NINE years) when he "DECIDED" he was gay. Then the piece of crap wanted to try to be friends. Myself, still buying into this liberal just-go-with-it attitude tried this for a about a year and a half. It became unbearable as we had NOTHING to talk about because I did not want to hear about his gay friends, his gay nightclubs, his gay anthing. Because he was so immersed in all of it it was hard to find any common ground to talk about. He put me in a situation where he must have asked me 20 times over the course of that 1 1/2 years what I thought God thought about his new lifestyle. Trying to DO THE RIGHT THING and not hurt his feelings, I kept telling him that he did not want to hear my response. Over and over again he pushed this. I finally broke down and told him what I believe to be true. I never heard from him again.....Good riddance to bad rubbish! He wasted 9 years of my life with his little social experiment of his which was such so SELFISH. So you see, I am not just some random person that has not been affected by this bullsh**. So, MISS THANG, you might want to take your own advice and mind your own damned business.
      • kayala, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5Oh, you need not respond if you're just going to whine about the "gay agenda". What a load of horse manure.
        TL;DR
      • maybeth, on 07/21/2008, -6/+1I completley agree, HE was a load of horse manure and I can only hope that he gets back some of what he gave. I absolutely have the right to be in disgust with the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA. I will not be forced to set my beliefs aside in favor of this agenda. AGAIN, as long as none of you are hurting me in any way (SO MY PIECE OF SH** EX DOES NOT FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY) I could care less what you do in the PRIVACY of your own homes. Back to the original subject, this woman was TRYING to do the right thing. If I had to advise her now, knowing what we know, I would tell her to put some earplugs in so as not to be offended by talk of homosexual anything and smile sweetly and nod her way through so she could uphold her beliefs and appease this person who was looking for a lawsuit. Obviously this is the only way she could have won.
      • kayala, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5Could you be any more whiny? You hate gay people because your husband turned out to be gay? That's more an indictment of your taste in men than gays as an entire group, sweetheart. There is no "gay agenda", just a paranoid fantasy put in your mind by people you desperately want to believe (BillO, Rush, Malkin, etc). Grow up a little bit, won't you? If you're old enough to have been married, you're old enough to act like a mature adult. You're the one who's being selfish; you would have denied your husband, the man you loved, the right to be happy with the person of his choosing. Clearly your relationship was not that strong in the first place, so why all the bitching about him leaving you? You were personally insulted, so you played the victim. Screaming and crying about your ex who turned out to be gay only shows me that you're immature and have relationship issues to work out with a counselor, preferably a secular one.
        TL;DR version: quit acting like a fourteen-year-old. I can assume you're a grown woman, so ***** act like one and quit your whining and pity-me-I'm-a-victim attitude.
      • Cate320, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5"Good riddance to bad rubbish! He wasted 9 years of my life with his little social experiment of his which was such so SELFISH"

        How can you not see this is why homosexuals need equal treatment? YOU were, unfortunately, the social experiment, not his new gay lifestyle. I think you'd find if you asked him, that he knew he was gay all along but was doing what was socially acceptable and "expected". If society was more tolerant, he may not have "lived a lie" for so long and you may have never gotten hurt. I sympathize with you having years of your life wasted and heart broken, I really do, but you are misjudging what the actual cause of the problem was.

        Kayala, by "Gay Agenda", they are just referring to the fact that gays want acceptance by society. And apparently this is a bad thing, even though Maybeth may never have had her horrible experience with homosexuals had it already been achieved.
      • maybeth, on 07/21/2008, -4/+1You would be amazed at how many people came out of the woodwork to say that they had been fuc*** over in the same way. I WAS completely "LIVE-AND-LET-LIVE before his little social experiment of his and had many gay friends who by the way told me later that even their "gaydar" did not see this one coming. So as much as I hate to agree with the hateful Kaylalala, this was a matter of really bad choice in a man for me.
        Kaylalala-you are the one acting like a child in this la-la land believing that everyone is just going to accept that we should put our beliefs totally aside and accept yours. Again, I only can only hope that my ex is getting heartbreak, after heartbreak,after heartbreak and maybe some diseases and money problems, after wasting all of those years for me. HE should have stayed by himself instead of using me as his social experiement. He could have found another way without messing with me or some other poor unsuspecting woman.
        Cate is right. I would have never had a problem with gay people had he not screwed me over. HE pulled me in to this whole thing; I would have not had such a strong opinion on this otherwise. I still do not wish other gay people ill-will (only him) AND these nutty people that are trying to push their way into Bible-believing, God-fearing peoples lives in a way that expects us to drop our beliefs in favor of yours. I just think there are few(not all) that know they can go after God-fearing people and win a lawsuit. I would not agree with most business'/services denying a gay person anything but if they are specifically God-fearing in practice (ie. Christian counselors, Christian bookstores, Christian schools) do not expect them to change their beliefs in favor of you. I would not go to a Gay bookstore, gay school, gay counselor, etc and expect them to change for me and then sue them if they did not. If I can live side-by-side with you without your expecting me to AGREE with your chosen lifestyle, I can get along fine with you. I had a couple of lesbian neighbors and I was perfectly cordial to them. I would not want to party with them or anything but we were nice to each other and they never even knew what my beliefs were Biblically based. I would never try to convert you to my beliefs (or even mention them to you) and you would never even know that I disagree with yours. If we can agree to disagree, I am fine with that. It is not until you try to cram it down my( or people like this counselor) throat that I have a problem with it. I think that is the adult approach.

        So "Sweetheart" again, I think you need to grow up.
      • kayala, on 07/21/2008, -1/+5Cate explained this phenomenon perfectly; if gay men weren't made to be ashamed of their sexuality, they wouldn't enter into heterosexual marriages to cover for their sexuality. You, maybeth, are ranting without saying much of anything. It's getting annoying.
        "you are the one acting like a child in this la-la land believing that everyone is just going to accept that we should put our beliefs totally aside and accept yours."
        You know what my beliefs are? Let people be who they are, don't hurt others and don't violate the rights of others. If we all were to abide by those beliefs, your ex-husband would never have married you because he would have been able to be open about his true sexuality. There would have been no need to hide that aspect of his life from everyone. The next piece in your rant, where you wish terrible things upon him and say that you wish he'd stayed alone, ashamed and miserable instead of being with you, shows me precisely how immature and vengeful you are. But hey, we all know it: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
        "these nutty people that are trying to push their way into Bible-believing, God-fearing peoples lives in a way that expects us to drop our beliefs in favor of yours."
        You jump to conclusions too quickly; it's a sad result of being weak of mind. I don't care what book you hold to be holy or "God" you propose exists; I do care which people you think are subhuman or undeserving of the same rights that everybody else enjoys.
        Hey, something just occurred to me. Don't you hateful bigots always say that gays do have the right to marry, they just have to marry someone of the opposite sex? That must've worked out quite well for you, miss maybeth.
        I tire of your hyperbole, misinformation and utter paranoia. I'm not going to waste my time deconstructing the rest of your post, because you don't need debate; you need a therapist.
      • maybeth, on 07/21/2008, -4/+1Yeah...I kind of figured you would not like the live-and-let-live approach. You left-wingers will not be happy until we fully embrace the gays, pedophiles, beastiality,etc. etc. etc. people/agenda with open arms and completely abandoned our beliefs. I am not surprised that you don't agree with my agree to disagree and be civil approach. No surprise that you think HE is the victim. HELLO-I was the unsuspecting one...HE had the big picture. What is so hard to understand about that??! You are unable to see the big picture as you are so honed in on your-way-is-the-only-way approach. I figured you would not take a middle ground approach like me because you are too immature. You are like a little kid stomping your foot wanting only your way. This approach might work in this life for you.
      • Cate320, on 07/21/2008, -0/+5No one is excusing him for lying to you like that. It really sucks and I would be angry too.

        But would it really have been better if you stayed together? Then your whole life would have been spent in a passionless marriage, instead of "just" 9 years. Would it really have been better if you never got married at all? I am sure if you got married in the first place, and that it lasted 9 years, you must have had some fun together. Those good experiences don't just go away because it didn't work out.

        He was a victim of society. It doesn't excuse his behavior, but it provides a reason for it. If society was such that he could feel free to be himself, instead of marrying you and breaking your heart, you may have just ended up friends. The societal ideals about homosexuality do pressure men and women into denying who they are and trapping them in marriages, to do what is "expected", especially if they are religious - which isn't good for them, their partners (you), or their possible children.

        I think you are mistaken about "Live and Let Live" approach. That idea has no room for intolerance. If you were truly "Letting them live" then you would not want to deny them any rights to allow them to do so. That is what "Live and Let Live" means. Also, by using that approach, doesn't necessarily mean you have to *like* what the other people do, just don't interfere or discriminate against them. This is of course, assuming the people in question aren't hurting anyone else, which homosexuals aren't.
      • kayala, on 07/21/2008, -1/+3I said it above and I'll say it here: you don't need debate. You need a therapist.
      • maybeth, on 07/21/2008, -3/+1Cate-you sound like a thoughtful, rational person. I do not believe that I am intolerant of gays (with the exception of PoS ex). You would never find me out there protesting against gays or being mean to any. I chose to stay away from gay events instead which is what this person should have done in regards to this CHRISTIAN counselor. Let's just for fun say that I decided to go to a counselor to discuss my PoS ex. And I started in talking about his VERY selfish charade and victimization of me. I happen to mention to the counselor what my beliefs are about the subject. The counselor, being gay, rightly recuses him/herself and suggests that I find a God-fearing counselor and even suggests one. Would I then have the right to sue that first counselor as a bigot for not embrasing my Biblical beliefs?. Even if I did, would it be the right thing do to or should I just be happy that they told me in time, so that I was not wasting my money or time on someone that was giving me bad counsel because they completely disagreed with my beliefs. I realize there is a fine-line here. A gay hairstylist should not be able to do the same or a Christian restaurant owner refuse to serve gays etc., but when it comes to core beliefs and use thereof in ones business it is a different story. You are absolutley correct in saying that this charade of his could have gone on even longer and really ruined my entire life. I thank God everyday that he set me straight on this. I was actually the one that broke things off with him because he was so mean and THEN he told me why he was being so mean. Being a liar and thief can do a number on you. It is also because of this that I went back to my roots and re-found my faith THANK GOD. I do not believe that just because you are a victim (as you claim that he is) that you should be able to victimize others. He could have lived (like so many did) without victimizing me or any others.

        I think we should be able to agree to disagree. I think that people like MS THANG kayllalala will hold on to her beliefs and not even try to see anyone elses point and meet in the middle somewhere. I could have become anti-gay, protesting, etc. but I did not. I realize that is not a balanced approach. My beliefs are very strong too, but I am not going to impose those on you or anyone else. We all have to make our own path in this life (and the next). To each his own. Don't hurt me, I won't hurt you. Enough said.

        MISS THANG seems a bit unbalanced and needs some counseling.






      • kayala, on 07/21/2008, -1/+3Oh dear. I seem to have incited maybeth's rage, and we all know that maybeth's rage is unending and she can really hold a grudge!
        Just for the record, my name is Kayala, not Kaylla (that bitch got herself removed from the site) or Kayalalala... I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. I don't make fun of your screen name, do I?
        At this point you're just fighting for the sake of fighting. I've said my bit, you've refused to release your anger, I'm done bothering with you. I've long since forgiven the man that broke my heart, and I'm now happier than ever; hopefully you'll be able to do the same. You'll feel better once you give up the grudge, I promise.
      • Evilena, on 07/21/2008, -1/+3"You left-wingers will not be happy until we fully embrace the gays, pedophiles, beastiality"

        No we each support different groups
        left-wingers - gays
        Catholics - pedophiles
        worldnetdaily.com staff - beastiality


  • Orwell007, on 07/17/2008, -10/+14This is just part of an organized ploy to force their deviant lifestyle choices down our throats, no pun intended. The Homosexual fascists have organized law suits in nearly every state in the union, all 57 of them. They are just like the race-baiters, constantly looking for an issue to take advantage of and claim victim-hood. I wonder when Blacks are going to demand that they refrain from equating their cause or curse to the legitimate cause of civil rights?

    Its time for bank robbers to start suing because they were offended when they were called a thief. Maybe Christians need to start suing for them offending our sensibilities and constitutional rights for the free exercise of religion. Maybe its time to put our politicians on notice that we are tired of the attempt to mainstream perversion.
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -8/+14Translation:
      "I am a more valuable human being than any homosexual"

      Get over yourself!
    • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -9/+14Yes, they should just accept the fact that mindless, soulless bigots like yourself see them as less then human and get on with their lives.
    • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/17/2008, -12/+8Love the Obama reference!
    • oestec, on 07/17/2008, -9/+7"57"
      (great BHO 'digg'!)
  • PappyPapillon, on 07/17/2008, -13/+15Sodomites sure are an overly sensitive, self-absorbed group of creatures. It's no wonder that they show no ability to distinguish between right and wrong. The extreme narcissism exhibited by sodomites firmly places them in the same category as sociopaths. As such they are a danger to society.
    • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -10/+17Apparently you've never read the bible, otherwise you'd realize how hateful you are and how that's a contradiction to its teachings.
      • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -11/+6-and that would be, because.....

      • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/17/2008, -14/+8So it's "hateful" to accurately describe a situation?
      • Coven, on 07/17/2008, -3/+16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

        ring a bell farmerjohn?
      • BSdetective, on 07/17/2008, -7/+3I assume you are referring to the part where it states "Homosexuals are an Abomination to the Lord?"

    • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -8/+16"Sodomites sure are an overly sensitive, self-absorbed group of creatures."

      So are so-called "Christians" who have no idea what it means to be a Christian.
      • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -11/+6Agreed, Pappy has, (aswell as myself), said as-much. Plenty people call themselves "Christian".

        'Course, that in no-way detracts from his statement, does it??
      • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -5/+15It sure does. It brands him as a complete hypocrite. A condition with which I'm sure that you're familiar.
    • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -7/+15"Sodomites sure are an overly sensitive, self-absorbed group of creatures. "

      Says the "Christian" desperately trying to interject his particular brand of holier than thou into someone else's life.

      Do you have a hypocrite tattoo, or just a poster of yourself, with HYPOCRITE written at the bottom?
      • BSdetective, on 07/17/2008, -5/+5Let me get this straight, if someone is offended by your lifestyle choice, that is against their moral beliefs, they are a Hypocrite and if you are offended by their lifestyle choice, what does that make you?
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -4/+3BSdetective, you got their number! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2BSdetective: "if someone is offended by your lifestyle choice, that is against their moral beliefs, they are a Hypocrite"
        The hypocrisy here is trying to protect yourself from the imaginary threat of another group "shoving their beliefs down our throats" while you proceed to do just that to them, trying to force them to abide by your own beliefs. You are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how silly and backwards and ill-informed it may be, but you are not entitled to have your opinion enshrined in law, nor are you entitled to be given the time or space to shout that opinion in the faces of innocent people who simply don't care what you have to say. You have no right to be protected from things that might offend you, so I'm afraid you'll simply have to grow up and live with it.
        And little kaylla, it appears you have finally achieved a functional knowledge of the Digg comment system! Good job, sweetie! You just keep getting brighter by the hour. I suspect that by tomorrow, you'll be properly punctuating complete sentences!
    • Evilena, on 07/17/2008, -4/+7This article is about lesbians not sodomites. Go educate yourself with some lesbian porn.
      • ieee, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Sounds like a fun suggestion even if you are not an ignoramus. Excuse me :)
    • PappyPapillon, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Thank you to all the sodomites, both male and female, who have taken the time to prove my point beyond all expectations.


  • radicalmiddle, on 07/17/2008, -8/+10This is definitely not equitable. Should homosexuals be fired for being Christophobic?
    If it's going to go this way...we should make it a two way street.
    The question is: What is the rest of America going to do about this being hijacked by goofy legislation and different groups' neurotic obsession with power. Heterosexuals
    are people too. hehe. Certainly as Americans we are to have justice for ALL.
    What....are...we...going... to do? Let's get voting, writing, challenging, while we still can.
    • Cate320, on 07/17/2008, -3/+4"This is definitely not equitable. Should homosexuals be fired for being Christophobic?"

      Yes. Or heterophobic or whatever. If they aren't doing their job and denying service to someone purely based on their sexuality, religious preferences or race, then they should be fired.
  • Tugging, on 07/17/2008, -7/+17We're living during times when there seems to be nothing wrong except what people "feel".
    All standards are just tossed out of the window if someone's "feelings" are offended. There
    will come a time, however, when that's called "right" will be shown for what it really is and
    people will be called to account for the way they have lived.
    • notbysight, on 07/18/2008, -1/+4XACTLY!...The practice of "Feelings" is part of public education/indoctrination. from kinder thru graduation. Feelings based education has given birth to fearful hyper-environmentalism, PETA ppl, political non offending correctness and all its subcategories, no praying or Bible reading, respect and acceptance of homosxulty, ...etc.... all of it leading to "secular socialistic Humanism" which obfuscates truthful, factual, practical and spiritual standards and educational skills which have created the USA in all of its wealth, and powerful Godly influence and global recognition(blessings).
      Feelings is Satans tool by which his "useful idiots" are dumbing down a successful God-fearing, law-abiding society. Feelings can support lying and perversion, truth and facts just get in the way, the feeling oriented, idealistic mind doesn't want to hear facts and truth.... let alone practice it.
  • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -12/+8What a smoking-joke.

    So the mental-case, wnats "help" from the heterosexual, as opposed to a fagellah-friendly shrink-?

    Dunno...

    Sounds pretty 'crazy' to me, (unless the fagellah realized, that fagellah behavior is a SIN) in which case the NORMAL counselor, would have been the CORRECT CHOICE.

    (lol) funny-stuffings
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -5/+15"fagellah"...?

      What the ***** is wrong with you?
      • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -16/+4*depends on which pagan/Christian you ask-

        (Personally, me-thinks the Living God, created a MARVELOUS, and FEARFUL work - but hey, that's just how i roll)

        -oh my mistake, your preference is F-A-G-G-O-T-? Always try to accomodate. My mistake.

      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -4/+19I prefer to talk to people that don't give a bad name to Christians everywhere. That's what I prefer.
      • Coven, on 07/17/2008, -4/+13Let him keep at it Hortnon. It just provides more opportunities to report his ass. Hopefully Digg will ban him again (for the 3rd time) soon.
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12He's too awesome to ban. Atleast someone needs to save some his responses, they make me laugh hysterically. See, SOLGAARD likes to roll with his homies...
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -2/+3Dangitall, SOL, you're making me want to digg up those last three. Try manifesting Christ....please......?
      • lydecker, on 07/18/2008, -2/+5The preference is gay. Thank you for asking. Homosexual is also appropriate.
    • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -9/+4"smoking joke", (man, that really HURT)-(lol)
    • DuggDowner, on 07/17/2008, -4/+6You know Slogard has to be one of these Larry Craig-types who publicly condemns that which he loves to do in private.
  • Lutrasimilis, on 07/17/2008, -10/+19Typical scriptural cherry-picking.

    If she were following the teachings of Leviticus, her job itself would conflict with her religious belief - women must not hold any position of authority. Of course this probably isn't the case, since Leviticus doesn't forbid female gay behavior at all.

    If she was following Paul's teachings, she would also be in conflict with her job, since Paul insists women be silent and submissive. They are not to make decisions, -especially- for men.

    Cherry picking the bible is going to burn you folks every single time. Read it, and learn all of the forbidden things you're currently enjoying (without apology).
    • jcm267, on 07/17/2008, -4/+11Christians don't have to follow Leviticus.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinomianism
      • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/17/2008, -7/+9If he were a Christian he would know how the new covenant works.
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3God, this whole "we don't really have to follow Leviticus, but we're gonna hold on to a few rules just for ***** and giggles" theological ***** never fails to throw me for a loop. Can we just decide for once and for all if Christians are to obey the Old Testament laws or not?
        Btw, by my understanding, Jesus does not say in his Sermon on the Mount that we're to abandon the Old Testament laws...
        Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
        5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
        5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
        Ohh dear.
    • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -15/+6(lol)

      There's a major flaw to your thinking, ("NEWSFLASH")- true Christians actively FLEE SIN, (now i know that may never be your-thing, really- met millions)-

      However, that fact- (in and of itself) precludes your innanity. Also, each man is COMMANDED to understand- that (as GOD is the FINAL JUDGE) each man is to determine sin for himself.

      As such, everything that just evaporated-out of your pie-hole, is in-valid, (but thanks for playing our game) - (and continue to enjoy our "at home" version, called the WORD OF GOD).
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -6/+11Define sin
      • theblueprint, on 07/17/2008, -3/+14There's a major flaw to *your* thinking:namely, the idea that *you* are somehow qualified to speak for God.

        Some Bible study for you:

        "Judge not, that ye be not judged.For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

      • USNavyBlue, on 07/17/2008, -11/+7Horton - Please pick up preferably the KJV 1611 and figure out what the word of the Lord defines sin as. Man does not define sin, again the word of the Lord does, men just follow the word! Do your own homework, you may learn something from it and be better off for it.
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -2/+13So you don't want to answer my question? I'll wait for SOL, then...
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12Good luck Horton, his responses are barely decipherable...
      • flip2trip, on 07/18/2008, -1/+4@horton

        pretty simple there Horton--from the Merriam Webster dictionary--

        SIN (n)

        1 a: an offense against religious or moral law b: an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible c: an often serious shortcoming : fault
        2 a: transgression of the law of God b: a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -5/+11Prepare for your point to be completely ignored, like so many others saying the same thing in the past...
      • SOLGAARD, on 07/17/2008, -14/+6Look lil' Bro;-

        You're about the 20 BILLIONTH mortal to be assimilated by my Enemy. In my lifetime ALNOE- that makes you about 20 MILLIONTH in line.

        So, (don't hold your breath, that your tired-backside will be heard/ make a pagan difference)- have a "nice life", (which means you won't need 3 more batteries for your watch).
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -2/+12I don't know what you're talking about. Are you suffering from delusions?
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -3/+15He's obviously telling you that your backside will be ignored by his enemy who assimilated 20 billion people, all over some watch batteries. And he's a rapper and referred to you as lil' Bro.
      • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13"Prepare for your point to be completely ignored, like so many others saying the same thing in the past..."

        Not just ignored, but actively Dugg down! That is some serious willingness to ignore the truth...
      • Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -3/+4Are you threatening or wishing death on people again SOLGAARD?

        I doubt Jesus would approve.
      • SOLGAARD, on 07/18/2008, -3/+2huh-?
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -2/+1Even Solgaard doesn't understand what he's saying. You're supposed to be all "this is 'murrica, speak english", so why don't you at least ***** speak in a comprehensible language? I take English, Spanish and Swedish.
    • SQLDigger, on 07/17/2008, -8/+2Pardon, you've made a grammatical error. You used a period instead of a colon after, "Typical scriptural cherry-picking."
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -2/+8Well, that was a waste of a post, SQLDigger...
      • SQLDigger, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7Sorry, I can't resist the irony of someone cherry-picking the Bible to come up with non-orthodox doctrines, then accusing others of doing the same. If he wants to make a rebuttal to inaccurate exegesis stick, Lutra really otter start by making accurate exegeses of his own.
    • notbysight, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2Book of Romans clarifies and adds to the The full counsel of God.
      Romans chap 1 vs 26-32..."for this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their WOMEN xchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one. And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were consumed with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffereing in their own bodies and PERSONALITIES the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing......vs32..Though they are fully aware of God's righteous decree that THOSE WHO DO SUCH THINGS DESRVE TO DIE, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them".
      unrepentant practicing lesbians and homosexual men WILL DIE( the 2nd death).....
      U r fully aware of it, they r fully aware of it. there will be no recourse...so agreee and be saved from this willfull sin.
    • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5"Judge not, that ye be not judged."
      The whole point of that is that we're not supposed to be casting ANYTHING out of anyone's eye, so to speak. It's GOD's job. Anyone who does what he/she has been instructed to do, which is to get that beam out of his/her OWN eye will quickly SEE that the other person is no more or less a sinner. This doesn't mean we don't acknowledge rebellion against God for what it is, but it DOES mean we that we do NOT get to administer any punishments, no matter how grave we perceive another's error to be.
      There is no flaw involved when one teaches the commandments of God -- it is not the same thing as speaking FOR Him, since He has already given those commandments.
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -2/+2Learn TO control THE caps LOCK key. PLEASE.
      • Salesti, on 07/20/2008, -0/+1It is my slave....obedient to every command from my fingertips. ;)
  • 10QGZus, on 07/17/2008, -8/+14So - a Christian counselor suggests to a homosexual woman to seek the advice of another because she cannot help her due to her personal convictions - and this is wrong? People cannot have their own personal beliefs anymore without being sued? Will the homosexual lobby stoop to anything in order to get their agenda across? What's next? Anyone who disagrees with homosexuality getting fined for their own personal beliefs, or getting thrown in jail? Losing custody of their kids? Losing their jobs? Will our taxpayer dollars be funding the thought police throughout the country in order to protect this very vocal and powerful minority, even though the majority of society believes marriage is between a man and woman? When will this insanity end?
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -9/+10So you'd be ok if an atheist refused service to all Christians because they're an atheist? That's what I'm getting from you here.

      So does this mean you support all atheists no longer doing anything to help anyone of any religious beliefs? After all, it is their personal belief and they can practice that however they want, right?
      • oestec, on 07/17/2008, -7/+7Maybe if the atheist said "Gee, you should talk to someone who can appreciate your personal beliefs, since I clearly cannot. Let me help by finding you someone who would respect your personal beliefs".

        The counselor made every effort to accommodate this women, yet still got sued for her trouble. She was respectful, did not insult the woman; her only fault was in actually trying to help.

      • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -9/+7I wouldn't want an atheist to try to help me with religious beliefs. They wouldn't be able to feel what I feel. If they wanted to refer me to another person that could help. I would appreciate their honesty and integrity. And if a homosexual said politely they didn't think they could help me because of their beliefs, but they would refer me to someone that could help me, I would thank them because at the end of the day, they did help.
      • drachemorder, on 07/17/2008, -6/+10I would certainly expect an atheist counselor to mention something along the lines that he might not be the best person to counsel a Christian, and suggest alternatives. I would certainly not expect the atheist to attempt to shoehorn his work into a Christian worldview just to satisfy a Christian. That would not be fair to either. So neither would I expect a Bible-believing Christian to shoehorn his work into a homosexual lifestyle.

        Of course, this doesn't extend to things that have nothing to do with one's worldview (medical assistance, maybe). But counseling very much does involve one's worldview, and one would certainly want to seek help from someone who can empathize with one's specific circumstances.
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -3/+13What if the homosexuals are also Christian and seek out the counselor BECAUSE they're Christian and are seeking Christian guidance?
      • drachemorder, on 07/17/2008, -6/+7Then the counselor would, I assume, provide that guidance. There are many ministries and counselors that treat same-sex attraction disorder. The point, though, is that ANY Christian advice will of necessity involve changing the lifestyle, as it is certainly incompatible with Christian belief. Now, if the homosexual doesn't want to change, then there's nothing you can do for them --- but that's true of any other undesirable behavior as well, and counselors deal all the time with people who won't take their advice. It's all part of the job.
      • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -4/+9But, as has been pointed out here and many other places, there are many things incompatible with "Christian belief", that Christians don't seem to care so much about. But why is this the issue people feel so strongly about?
      • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -4/+10Same-sex attraction disorder? Are you trying to say that homosexuality is some kind of mental disorder? How very Christian of you to assume that anyone different than you must be mentally ill. I pity your children.
      • inobla, on 07/18/2008, -2/+5Right on Herk. "Same-sex attraction disorder".. what a crock of *****. That's so funny to see bigots try to act PC.
    • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -8/+12"So - a Christian counselor suggests to a homosexual woman to seek the advice of another because she cannot help her due to her personal convictions - and this is wrong?"

      Yes. It's discrimination. Personally I hope that this "counselor" loses in court and has to pay a healthy settlement to the woman she discriminated against.
      • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -9/+4Herkimer56 - I personally try to be tolerant of gays even though I disagree with you most of the time. If this woman had not tried to help and was rude and completely intolerant, I would probably lean towards agreeing with you. But your kind of activist makes me want to get out the gun and start pulling the trigger.
      • idoj, on 07/17/2008, -4/+12@georgiajim,

        "But your kind of activist makes me want to get out the gun and start pulling the trigger."

        Because homosexuality is a sin and murder is not?
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -4/+11"I personally try to be tolerant of gays even though I disagree with you most of the time."

        I'm personally not gay, and I'd venture to say alot of the people here defending gay rights aren't either. I'm simply a believer in equality.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/17/2008, -3/+11I'm not gay, either, but I don't think that you have to be gay to defend basic human rights for everyone. Well, everyone except the idiots that think the solution to a social issue is to "get out the gun and start pulling the trigger". Those people should be sealed in a crate and stored away where they can't hurt anyone.
      • nomorepaul, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3how magnanimous of you georgiajim to try and be tolerant of teh gays.
      • jimbeam31, on 07/17/2008, -5/+6How can you miss the point! The activist viewpoint that georgiajim refers to is the extreme myopic view of the militant homosexual lobby that sees it own view and no one elses.

        Would you want someone conseling you onto some avenue or course of action that you personally did not agree with? She RECUSED HERSELF in an effort for that woman to get the help from someone who get her was SYMPATHETIC to her situation.

        She gets her help then shows her hatered for anyone Christian and for Christians who chooses (there is that word CHOICE) to live by their convictions. If you cannot understand that then you are the largest bunch of ingnorant people I have ever run across.

        Incidentally, I am not gay and I have no problems with gay/lesbian people.
      • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -3/+6dshPls - "I'm simply a believer in equality".
        Herkimer56- "I don't think that you have to be gay to defend basic human rights for everyone".
        Since this discussion is based on the facts of this article, we have to presume the information we are reading is correct. Whose equality and basic human rights are being violated? A lesbian came to a counselor with a goal of rebuilding a same-sex relationship. You two are making a large assumption this woman knew alot about the intricate workings of same-sex relationships. If her religious beliefs dictated she disagreed with homosexuality, do you think she studied vigorously to know all about same-sex relationships? She must have met all the hiring requirements previous to this event, her employer hired her. She told the woman the truth about her religious convictions, reassigned her to another counselor, that counselor said she did the right thing. The lesbian said, "Walden should not be employed because of her beliefs and asked to file a formal complaint against her". Where is the equality in this? Whose basic rights were violated? The level of frustration is growing every day and the the weight of the straws on the camel's back is getting heavy.
        nomorepaul - I am going to take your sarcasm as a compliment, thank you.
      • Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6georgiajim,

        I don't know why you guys seem to think that gay couples are somehow fundamentally different from heterosexual couples. They have the exact same problems that we do. Any counselor worth her salt would be able to help her just fine. She could just pretend every "she" uttered was a "he". Do you really think a lesbian complaining about her relationship troubles with her partner would be any different from me complaining about mine? What could possibly occur in a lesbian relationship that would be so different from a heterosexual one?
      • georgiajim, on 07/18/2008, -3/+4Cate320 - What good would a counselor be if they had to "pretend" so they could do their job correctly. I'm sure the gays and libs would accuse the counselor of discrimination because he/she didn't have to pretend when counseling a heterosexual. I might even tend to agree with them.

        "What could possibly occur in a lesbian relationship that would be so different from a heterosexual one"? How about 2 biological woman PMSing at the same time? That should keep you awake at night.
      • Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -3/+5 What I meant by "pretend", is that she most likely would see the same complaints coming from heterosexual females about their partners.

        Actually I think two women PMS'ing at the same time would be fine. At least they understand the mood swings. Let me tell you now, I've had some major spats with my boyfriend while I was PMS'ing. The difference is, he doesn't get it. Even if the complaints are coming from someone that is hormonal, that wouldn't be any different from a heterosexual woman who is also PMS'ing complaining.

        Or, if you want to say she couldn't understand because they both had a mental disorder, would you also think she should exclude herself from counseling people suffering from depression, bipolar, anxiety etc? What kind of counselor would that make her? Not a very good one.

        Sorry, but you still fail to demonstrate how a lesbian couple would have different issues than a heterosexual couple.
      • georgiajim, on 07/18/2008, -4/+3You are missing the point. The counselor acted in a very professional manner. Because of her religious convictions, she didn't think she could do an adequate job of helping the lesbian woman. She made sure the woman was referred to someone that could help her. The other counselor said she did the right thing. Would you force the first counselor to treat someone and maybe cause more problems?
        If you took a Honda to Mr. Goodwrench and he informed you he didn't believe in working on foreign cars, would you force him to work on your car and maybe screw it up worse than when you brought it in? Would you complain to his boss and get him fired? If you did that, you might cost a lot of people a very good mechanic.
      • Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -2/+5No you're missing the point. I do think that the woman in question probably overreacted (If this article is not leaving out any information, which you have to admit is a common tactic of this website). My point was that the counselor had no reason to believe she couldn't treat her - and thus was discriminating. I would be willing to bet the counseling session would go just fine if the fact that the woman's partner was also a female was never made clear.

        Lesbian, Gay and Heterosexual couples all have the same relationship issues. If this counselor was equipped to handle heterosexual disputes, she would be equipped to handle gay disputes as well. Therefore, her only excuse for not treating her would be because it "Makes her feel uncomfortable" or "Goes against her beliefs" to try to help this woman. THAT is discrimination.

        Your analogy has no bearing in this situation, because you still have yet to prove that there is any difference between homosexual and heterosexual couples. (I actually don't anything about cars so you'll excuse me if I don't know the extent of the mechanical differences between foreign and domestic brands)
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -5/+3libertyth0r......stop making sense! Too many people here hate logic and rational thinking! It'll never work!
        ;)
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Quite honestly, if this counselor let their own personal beliefs get in the way of their job, then what the hell was this person doing counseling people?
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Her counsel would obviously have been biased and therefore not trustworthy. I appreciate your changing your icon to keep up with mine, but your lag was lamentably long. Do try to keep up in the future, won't you, darling? If you're going to imitate me, then you'd better do a good job of it, or I'll have to find another lovesick puppy to follow me around. By the way, do you think you might be able to tell me who, exactly, is the person in my picture? It seems that if you're going to try to be like me, you'd do well to acquire my knowledge of Norwegian black metal as well.
  • doUknowhim, on 07/17/2008, -8/+9Christophobia (kristofobea) n. A compulsive fear of a loving Messiah, God's son who died to save sinners from eternal separation from himself ; fearing a loving and compassionate God might reveal the error of our present view, that right is wrong and wrong is right.
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -6/+7http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Christophob ...
      • flip2trip, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2Not there Hortnon-hears-a-who. What's interesting is while I was trying to find your christophobia definition this came up:

        Anti-Christian sentiment
        Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source

        Anti-Christian sentiment is a real or perceived negative categorical bias against Christians or the religion of Christianity. Anti-Christian sentiment can be held by individuals or groups, and may be the result of fanaticism or bigotry leading to prejudice or discrimination.

        Back atcha Hortony
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Wow, flip2trip. This looks like a job for..
        http://www.bluelinecomics.com/New%20Blue%20Lines/C ...
        And I thought you were against Wikipedia! "Wicked Porn", remember? I suppose you permanently-offended pseudo-Christians are so constantly finding ways to get offended, you eventually forget old sources of offense because your mind simply can't store that many million sources at once.
        One more thing: his name is Hortnon, not Horton. Just nitpicking, but it's a little irritating.
    • SlayerSyrena, on 07/17/2008, -9/+8If they feared Christ they'd be on the right path "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

      They do not fear, but hate. This is only temporary as one day every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus is Lord... Hopefully there will be repentance (a change of mind) in non-believers before that day.
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -2/+4YES!!
        I wish folks could understand that "fear" doesn't just mean"fear' (as we understand the word in the usual sense), but "total reverence and awe". When the reverence replaces hatred....how cool is THAT?!
      • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Keep on believing, my dear. It won't ever come true, but it might make you feel better to slip a little deeper into that delusion of yours, farther away from the real world. Quite honestly, I have no use for a master who cannot inspire me by his virtues and must instead terrify me into submission, and I don't see why you seem to tolerate this.
    • doUknowhim, on 07/17/2008, -7/+5True. What they fear is that the sins of that lifestyle will be revealed in the light of Gods word. When we look in the mirror, we REALLY see what is there. Thanks! God bless
      • Evilena, on 07/18/2008, -2/+3Other than it being a sin, what was wrong with your former lifestyle?
    • Evilena, on 07/17/2008, -4/+8According to the story, Jesus was a zombie. Blame the leftist plot between Hollywood and the video game industry to make zombies so scary.
    • jimbeam31, on 07/17/2008, -5/+5I truly do not understand how you people can be so unkwing of the truth of God and give a thumbs down on what you know down in your heart to be true. There is a turning away from God and the embracing of the darkness. Please accept God's invitation to you to join Him before it is too late.
      • Evilena, on 07/17/2008, -3/+5If we really did know down in your heart to this to be true we wouldn't give it a thumbs down.
        Why is it that people that were brought up Christian know one thing deep in their heart and people in other cultures believe other nonsense with equal conviction?
      • DuggDowner, on 07/17/2008, -4/+3Why is it that people who are brought up Christian know deep in their heart only hatred for others?
      • Cate320, on 07/18/2008, -2/+4I had to digg you down Duggdowner, even though I see what you're saying. Add a "fundamentalist" in front of the "Christian" and you'd probably be correct.

        Most Christians don't share the opinions of the bigots on Digg. After all the bible does preach "Judge not lest ye be judged". It just seems the bigots on digg selectively miss that passage.
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6To be fair, "fundamentalist" means "foundational -ist"
        If your foundation is in Christ, and you aim to emulate HIM, you are a fundamentalist. If your goal is to show the love of Jesus, and to NOT judge, but to set the same example SET by him, you are a fundamentalist! The word "fundamentalist" has been given a whole new meaning by angry people who want someone to hate. If a person's FOUNDATION is in Christ, that person aims to personify the example set by Christ. No back-to-basics (fundamentalist) believer in Jesus will try to crush another person based on lifestyle, although, as with the woman at the well, or better yet, the woman who was about to be stoned for *adultery*, he or she might suggest that the other person "go and sin no more"....which is what Christ himself said.
      • SlayerSyrena, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1Salesti,

        Nicely said!
  • theblueprint, on 07/17/2008, -5/+13A majority of the comments in this thread in support of WND's assertions sound as if they were written by this woman: http://rurl.org/vfz

    • jimbeam31, on 07/17/2008, -6/+4Blue print you are a real ass. Unfortunately I cannot think of any other way to descibe you. Thanks for bringing up and perptuating such a great stereotype. Pick the actions of (1) person and project them onto an entire class of believers. PREDJUDICIAL troll.
    • kayala, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3GARGYLES! PSYCHICS! I AM A WARRIOR OF GAWD!
  • viejoverde, on 07/17/2008, -10/+6Now, let's see, if this counselor had been a muslin and refused to "counsel" the lesbian do you think for a second she would have been fired? The christian counselor should have converted to islam first to save her job.
    If there is a silver lining on the dark religion of islam is in their "tolerance" of homosexuals.
    • Hortnon, on 07/17/2008, -4/+16"if this counselor had been a muslin and refused to "counsel" the lesbian do you think for a second she would have been fired?"

      Yes. Next question?
    • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -2/+13"If there is a silver lining on the dark religion of islam is in their "tolerance" of homosexuals."

      You do know that your vehement opposition/fear of homosexuality is well documented as a deep seated psychological hatred of yourself, over your own uncontrollable homosexual tendencies?

      The more you post stuff like that, the more you let people know you are running from yourself...
      • BSdetective, on 07/17/2008, -5/+4I believe running is not the appropriate word here. I believe the word following would be far more appropriate to describe this condition. Following our Creator's instructions on what constitutes a moral existence.
      • ssn697, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3@BSdetective

        You aren't very good at doing what your ID claims.

        Your "Creator" says to murder homosexuals? That is what Islam preaches, and that is what viejoverde is saying he likes about their religion.

        Nice job...
      • BSdetective, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1I am sorry that you do not understand my Creator, he is the one who administered the punishment (Sodom and Gomorrah). He only directed his children to reject the sin. It's really not that complicated. The only semblance between Christianity and Islam is in your delusions. If you are making all of your judgments based on the old Law, you have no comprehension of Christianity.
    • Coven, on 07/17/2008, -2/+11"if this counselor had been a muslin and refused to "counsel" the lesbian do you think for a second she would have been fired?"

      considering cotton fabric can't exactly counsel anybody, i would say she wouldn't have had the job in the first place if she had been a muslin.
    • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4so is the person suing the counselor, suing her because of her christian faith? could all Christians that believe gay = sin be sued if they speak up for their beliefs?

      what magic words should the counselor have used if they did not want to have the lesbian as a client, or is that not possible? if i do use the magic words am i still guilty of a thought crime?

      do i have the right to not serve anyone? how do i legally not work with someone?

      i had a client that had 30 hairless cats (insert joke here) that all peed in the office i was to provide network security for. i chose not to work for her because the cats were nasty and the joint smelled like piss. am i guilty? i did discriminate against cat owners that let their cats piss anywhere.

      did the same thing to an ass of a guy that was yelling at his help and was rude to the pizza guy. told him i don't work for/with assholes. am i guilty for discriminating against assholes? (dont insert obvious joke here please) or is it OK to discriminate against rude people. how do i tell people i dont want to work with them with out the threat of a law suit? or should i just go make the "pre-paid legal" payment right now?
      • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -2/+8I see this two ways:

        1. The woman, in taking a job as a counselor, should have known she would be counseling people who had views different than her religious views. Did she turn away anyone with divorce questions (just as bad, according to the bible)? Gambling problems? Drug use problems?

        2. She RECOMMENDED another counselor. Seems like the right thing to do. If you can't give the best help, recommend someone who can. BUT, had she ever sent anyone else to another counselor (see above), or is it only the "homosexuals" part of the bible that she feels the need to follow?
      • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5i do understand that but i just cant get over that i have to work with someone that i don't want to... for what ever reason. if some one did not want to work with me because of my brown skin, smart-ass mouth, bad breath, what ever screw em, their loss.

        would you really want a doctor working on you that is only working on you because he is scared of a lawsuit?
        if i was gay i would not want a doctor, dentist, contractor or taxi driver that had a problem working with me.

        personally for me, i dont care if your gay and i think i can work for/with anyone. BUT i do discriminate against assholes and incompetents.
        if there ever was a personal reason that i did not think i could do my best for a client then i do believe it is my job... no my responsibility, to tell the one paying my bill that i wont be able to give them their moneys worth. i would be a complete douche for doing so, but anything less would be wrong. getting paid full ass for half ass work is just wrong
      • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9"i do understand that but i just cant get over that i have to work with someone that i don't want to..."

        That's my main point. She took a job as a counselor KNOWING she would be counseling people with beliefs that didn't jibe with hers. She shouldn't have taken the job. She could be a Christian counselor somewhere, if her beliefs were such that she KNEW she wouldn't be able to fully perform her job.


        I get your working with assholes point. I retired early and went out on my own, because I just couldn't put up with corporate assholes any longer. But that was my choice. I knew that part of my job was to deal with people I didn't like, so I left. I didn't say I wanted a lawyer, because it is my right to not do my job, based on my not liking idiots.

        Hmmm. I am suddenly liking the idea of being able to tell a company I refuse to put up with idiot ***** *****-stains, and it should be covered under law!
      • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5"Hmmm. I am suddenly liking the idea of being able to tell a company I refuse to put up with idiot ***** *****-stains, and it should be covered under law!"

        i think i smell a lawsuit...

        this man hates ***** *****-stains, your honor.
        he is bigoted and discriminating towards ***** stains and is guilty of making this a hazardous work place for assholes everywhere.

        i still think the lesbian should just thank her and move on. do you really want a counselor that has problems with your life choice counsel you on.... life choices? for me this seems a little backwards.
      • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6i just re-read my comments,
        anyone notice how ass-obsessive my post are? what is the counselors name? i think i may need help.

        /my wife is going to be so mad
      • ssn697, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4"i still think the lesbian should just thank her and move on. do you really want a counselor that has problems with your life choice counsel you on.... life choices? for me this seems a little backwards."

        Well *****. How did I miss posting that I think bringing a LAWSUIT over this is ***** retarded?
      • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3Bluto....
        "f some one did not want to work with me because of my brown skin, smart-ass mouth, bad breath, what ever screw em, their loss."
        Wonderful!
        So hard to understand why some ppl need to dictate the responsibilities of other folks in their areas of employment to the detriment of all.

        ssn697 -- A counselor is not human? A counselor should not have any freedom of choice? With your guidelines for employment (should they be codified), many gifted professionals would opt for employment that would allow them to make their own conscience-based choices, leaving a dearth of qualified counseling professionals. A loss for everyone!
  • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -8/+1idoj - I would not consider it murder. I would consider it armed revolt. My maker would be the one to judge me.
  • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -5/+0idoj - I believe there is a difference between murder and revolution.
    • idoj, on 07/17/2008, -1/+10Define that for me, would you? So, it's OK to kill if you dislike a particular group of people? It's still murder.

      • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -6/+2idoj - You certainly have a right to your opinion. I don't look at it as disliking a certain group of people. I now consider gays an enemy. I look at the gay/straight issue as a fight for our very life. I did not consider it this way until recently. The attacks are piling up too much too fast.
        Perceived gender issues that take away the privacy of women in Colorado and Montgomery County, Md. in all public facilities.
        A school in Chicago forcing middle school children to sign a form stating they will not tell their parents about homosexuality being taught in the school.
        A father in Ma. being arrested because he objects to his kindergarten child being taught about homosexuality.
        Gay activists telling gay couples from all over the United States to go to Ma., get "married" then go back to their states and create havoc.
        The photographers in N.M. that were fined because they didn't want to take pictures of a gay union.
        The woman, in this article, that did nothing wrong but was fired and sued for trying to be helpful.
        Colorado's law that keeps religion behind closed doors by threatening arrest for anyone stating in public homosexuality is a sin.
        I could go on and on but it won't prove anything to you gays. idoj I am thinking self-defense, not murder.
      • idoj, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9"I am thinking self-defense, not murder. " But nobody is attacking you directly, correct? Because your original statement more or less said you wanted to pull out a gun and start pulling the trigger.

        The stories you mentioned all came from WND and though I do agree that some activists go way over the line, you're attributing bad behavior to an entire group of people, rather than the one responsible. In addition, WND doesn't generally accurately report on stories and often facts are found in other publications.

        "I now consider gays an enemy."
        Now that is just sad.

        Good luck to you.
      • georgiajim, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2idoj - Good luck to you as well.
      • dshPls, on 07/17/2008, -2/+6There's always one binding factor in these WND comments. The people who enjoyed the article can barely use a computer, let alone coherently express their opinions with the Digg comment system. I feel like I'm reading the synopsis of Green eggs and Ham by a 4th grader as I review most of these retorts.
  • sexydarin, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2Get rid of them all.
  • bluto36, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4this happened to me but it was because i am so damn good looking. told the counselor how hard it was to be this pretty and how everyone was discriminating me on the basis of my good looks. this counselor said she could not help me as she was flaming butt ugly. she then gave me the name and number of a fine looking couselor. i sued the first counselor and won and i am now using the proceeds to pay for my gay wedding, as i am getting hitched to the second fine honey of a counselor. it was a win win for everyone as i got paid, i got the hot counselor babe and the hot babe got to marry me. ok maybe it sucked for the first counselor but she was ugly so it really does not matter. cheers
  • DuggDowner, on 07/17/2008, -3/+5Jesus said the most important commandment was to love your neighbor as you love yourself. He seemed like a pretty tolerant dude. Too bad his followers twist his teachings to spread hatred, fear and violence.
    • BSdetective, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2The only unpardonable sin is to deny God. If you don't meet that test, the rest of his commandments and teachings are irrelevant to the denier. God commanded "His Children and Followers" to love thy neighbor. That love was also intended to be based on his teachings and Commandments.

      The Gay Friendly hamlets of Sodom and Gomorrah loved their neighbor as themselves, but God elected to wipe them from the pages of history. They got caught up in the love part and forgot to include the other Commandments and admonishments that God laid down for them.

      You are free to make your reservations wherever you choose, but the War that you are waging against the author of those words and his children is a futile and losing effort. Those who understand the meaning of those verses are not deceived by the Pagan interpretations of their Creators words.
      • DuggDowner, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2Seems to me Jesus would be the first to stand up for the pagans and whatever other epithets you use to describe people who don't agree with you. Like I said, he seemed like a good guy. It's too bad his followers are a bunch of douchebags.
  • BSdetective, on 07/17/2008, -4/+4I have a friend who was born with the solo sex gene and she is very depressed because Homosexuals are show favoritism and she is ostracized and discriminated against every time she is out in public and attempts to cuddle with and fondle her lover. She has been in love for as long as she can remember.

    I have another friend, farmer Brown, who was born with the Bestiality gene. He is also depressed. He has been in love with Mary, his prized lamb, ever since she was birthed. He had to go to a distant city for a few days and when he made hotel arrangements, he specifically asked if it was OK to bring his lover and He was told that it was perfectly fine. But, once he checked in, the manager refused to allow Ruby, his prized lamb and lover stay in the hotel room.

    I have referred both of them to the comments on this article. It seems that their God encourages and condones their lifestyle choices and they are looking for pointers on how to become professional victims, so they can bring their lifestyle preference out of the closet.
  • eveslegacy, on 07/17/2008, -3/+7The therapist did the right thing. She did not shame the client, just referred the client to someone who could, and it sounds like, did help the client. Therapy is a trust relationship, and this counselor knew she could not serve this person so she did the appropriate thing and found someone who could. Having a belief system or opinion is not hate. The counselor is a brave, courageous woman and should applauded for doing the best thing for client. This was compassion.
    • Salesti, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5As of 11:21 PST, July 17th, you've been dugg down twice for speaking the truth in love.
      How tragic.
    • KJeffV, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3"This was compassion."

      And therein lies the prob: It was compassion, which the Left truly hates—not passion, which the Left truly loves.
    • mcrunch2, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3The counselor didn't show any bravery or courage. She just did what she was supposed to do - the right thing to do. Its very simple. If you can't help a client with what they want, you refer them to someone who can help them. Its one of the basics of counseling and any idiot, like a CDC one, who doesn't know that should keep out of the way.
      And who was the crazy who said she should have lied to the client - the client wouldn't have such a messed up life if everyone told her the truth and she was truthful herself. Lying does not make things better. What an idiot. I guess, sadly, that lying is a prerequisite for working in a government agency like the CDC.
  • AThoughtOrTwo, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3You all like to use the comparison of same sex marriage and interracial marriage. You like to point out that 'just because it WAS illegal, doesn't mean it is right.'

    Okay, try this: This situation is JUST LIKE:

    A WHITE counselor excusing himself from counseling a BLACK person with BLACK RAGE. It happens to some Black people who feel oppressed. IS the White counselor supposed to counsel this person? ARE they qualified? OR would the Black person benefit MORE by being counseled by a BLACK counselor? (I think a White person can *understand* the rage, but would the counseling be appropriate?)

    Second, IF the Christian WERE to counsel a homosexual who later found out the person WAS a Christian - WOULD THERE BE GROUND TO SUE?
    • SOLGAARD, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3Wrong.

      God NEVER esablishes a SKIN COLOR AS SIN.

      He does have a problem with UNNATURAL SEX.

      Somewhat different, if you don't live in BIZARRO-WORLD.
  • notbysight, on 07/18/2008, -2/+3I am sure that This w0man counselor wanted very badly to B point -blank honest with the Les-bian,... "honey, just find yourself a hard man and u wont want to re-up with that wannabe wood witch."
    • SOLGAARD, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2and Christians bitch at me- for my posts...

      (lol)
    • notbysight, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2Your practical posts and advice has been refreshing and right on...nothing shameful, as a Christian i've seen...I dont know if U would truly follow thru..haha...but, hon, your points are well made and taken. It may fall on deaf ears but if it helps just one....there is great rejoicing in heaven!
  • SOLGAARD, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2Wow, all i said was it was funny. Kinda jokey.
  • BSdetective, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5Hortnon and Herkim56 and all other offended gays, I believe God has already resolved your concerns over the value of Homosexuals when he nuked those two quaint, Gay Friendly, hamlets of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    I don't see anyone casting judgments. Our Creator has already made that judgment and determination and he has adequately warned his children that he is prepared to do it again.

    You are free to throw around the labels Bigot, Sou less, Mindless, and other condescending remarks, but your beef is with God, not his children.

    Your may find comfort behind your arrogance, but those who you mock and ridicule only have pity for you. If you cannot grasp that it is the sin that is rejected, not the person, then you will just have to live with your self-deception.
    • SOLGAARD, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1(+1) (Some people are "perfectly possessed")
  • KJeffV, on 07/18/2008, -2/+4If Walden goes ahead w/this—and I hope she does—it isn't going to go well f/Hughes/Cook/Zerbe/Byrum or CDC/CSC. W/all the other, similar issues current in the US, it's apparent that the homosexual community is either communicating w/i its mbrship or is landing on the idea of these lawsuits fr/reading similar news stories. Let's see how they react to Walden's success, vanquishment, re-instatement, & new bank acct.
  • Mom2GIQM, on 07/18/2008, -4/+2Not agreeing with homosexualism is not fear. There's no phobia.
  • mcrunch2, on 07/18/2008, -2/+2Great, more of my tax money down the drain supporting crazy lawsuits. Less taxes, less government, happier people!
  • SOLGAARD, on 07/18/2008, -3/+1So- the fagellah/*****/gay/queer/*****/lesbian must be administered-to, by a Christian.

    That should speak VOLUMNS to the pagan populace, (or at least speaks VOLUMES).

    *sigh
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