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- xxTazxx, on 01/07/2008, -16/+266And just imagine the number of Iraqi civilian casualties...
EDIT: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ , don't just imagine. - inactive, on 01/07/2008, -14/+235Note the lack of Iraqi civilians. That would be a chilling graphic.
- McGuinness, on 01/07/2008, -18/+175Defense? Last time I checked it wasnt Iraq that invaded us.
- jazzjeff, on 01/07/2008, -41/+143Terrible legacy left by America under war criminal Bush.
- 1town, on 01/07/2008, -10/+100That's quite a few "9/11's" there. Oh but that's right, Iraqi life is worthless..
- iceman0113, on 01/07/2008, -15/+76and counting...
- tinkafoo, on 01/07/2008, -7/+63I'm impressed at how graphic design gets its point across so much better than a wall of text. That is one hell of an efficient message.
- tdelet, on 01/07/2008, -5/+51Instead of counting on God to get them out of this mess, how about WE get them out. They should never have been there in the first place. God didn't put them there: this administration did.
- MrCobaltBlue, on 01/07/2008, -12/+58Imagine when the NYT does a Graphic 100 Years in Iraq sponsored by John McCain.
- shortyjacobs, on 01/07/2008, -2/+47Especially sad to see the "Non-Hostile/Accidental/SUICIDE" deaths on X-mas day, and New Years Eve.....
- NotAChickenHawk, on 01/07/2008, -15/+59Unlike these men, those who built the Panama Canal died for a purpose.
- veloscaper, on 01/07/2008, -6/+50Nor are most of the casualties Americans, but Iraqis.
- Mejogid, on 01/07/2008, -6/+49So you're claiming that someone who sacrifices their life doesn't even deserve to be remembered by someone adding a small graphics to a diagram?
- SocialPoison, on 01/07/2008, -0/+35I don't think my computer would be able to handle that .png file.
- kanabiis, on 01/07/2008, -8/+42Remember people, Democrats voted for this war too....
- cyberdork, on 01/07/2008, -9/+41Of course, because there are always people like you who just don't understand what it means when a human gets killed in a war.
Now go back and play your Call of Duty, troops-hater! - Rehnborg, on 01/07/2008, -0/+30Pull out of the panama canal!!!
- Adam420, on 01/07/2008, -19/+48I blame the people who voted for bush...and bush himself of course.
- sunshinex, on 01/07/2008, -12/+40Maybe this time you Americans should show up and vote or something..
- nihil, on 01/07/2008, -57/+84God bless the men & women (and their families) willing to put their lives on the line in the defense of our country. No memorial is sufficient for what they sacrifice.
- Frostman3D, on 01/07/2008, -5/+31You don't have to be a dick about it.
- sockpuppets, on 01/07/2008, -1/+26Turkeys can't fly, silly.
- politechaos, on 01/07/2008, -6/+301 is 1 too many.
- darny, on 01/07/2008, -1/+25Lots of luck keeping track of that number. I'm not sure our agencies even keep count. Dehumanizing, huh?
- mriegger, on 01/07/2008, -2/+25Because the graph would be:
95% - malaria
5% - accidents - ninjacob, on 01/07/2008, -25/+45How about a graph of the 22,000 people who died building the Panama Canal?
- darny, on 01/07/2008, -1/+21Looks like there are only a handful of American soldiers killed by suicide bombs. Most of them are Iraqis. Oh and if you don't like to be stabbed, tortured or decapitated, apparently don't join the police force.
- bencefeher, on 01/07/2008, -7/+26I am from Hungary. My father, like all men growing up under Communist controlled Hungary at the time had to serve 6 years in the Russian army. Had Russia gone to war recently, my father would have to fight for Russia's interests, killing enemies of Russia. Even if he doesn't agree with it and thinks it to be terrible, he would be obligated to do it.
nihil's comment is to respect the soldiers that fight and die for a cause that they may or may not believe in. I'm not saying it's a good or bad war, I'm saying don't disrespect soldiers. - jordan314, on 01/07/2008, -4/+22If I ever go to Iraq I'm hanging out in Dahuk.
- overtoke, on 01/07/2008, -2/+20When viewing the IBC stats, remember that they ONLY record civilian deaths that were reported in at least TWO media sources (those being English media sources.)
When viewing the NYTimes chart, remember casualties are not counted as an "Iraq casualty" if the victim did not actually die in Iraq, and in combat. This includes: US Army bases (even if in Iraq), US Aircraft (even if in the air over Iraq). A corpse could show up in Germany in 100 pieces and pronounced dead in Germany. That casualty is not counted. - inactive, on 01/07/2008, -3/+20Notice how there's no civilian count.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast ... - inactive, on 01/07/2008, -7/+23solution.... everyone move to Basra.
- Richandler, on 01/07/2008, -1/+17Americans are too concerned over evolution and creationism rather than voting for a candidate to end the war.
- Whence, on 01/07/2008, -3/+181 is too many.
- shortyjacobs, on 01/07/2008, -7/+22Except, (Vietnam aside), those WW1 and WW2 were fought for a GOOD REASON
(the war wasn't a good idea....but our involvement and our combating people who really WERE bad guys was) - demusdesign, on 01/08/2008, -0/+14Doesn't even include civilians. Shudder indeed.
- GettinReal, on 01/07/2008, -5/+19And McCain wants us there for 100 years? This guy treats the constitution like I treat some Charmin. Wipe and flush.
- veloscaper, on 01/07/2008, -3/+16it's not a WAR but an OCCUPATION.
- CannedMango, on 01/07/2008, -7/+20Rupert Murdoch? is that you?
- 955701, on 01/07/2008, -3/+16It's very insightful of you to reach back in time and realize that the Bush Sr. Administration was the one that told you there was an assassination attempt on him when he was President. Most people would just assume it was a fact without a trusted source to back it up.
- HotWingBias, on 01/07/2008, -1/+14It was a heart-felt comment. Quit looking for a fight. No one said anything bad about your invisible friend. Run along now.
- inactive, on 01/07/2008, -0/+12Iraq death rate - 5.6 per 1,000 population (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world ...
NYC death rate .078 per 1,000 population - sockpuppets, on 01/07/2008, -5/+17R.I.P. Waldo.
- dreesemonkey, on 01/07/2008, -1/+13With the handy dandy firefox image scaling it looks like I'm trying to defrag in 1998.
- politechaos, on 01/07/2008, -2/+14You do know that the graph you are talking about (more deaths under Clinton) was completely manipulated and that it took into account the deaths of all active duty personnel, whether it was due to car accident, health issues or ANYTHING and compared it to JUST the American active-duty combat-only fatalities in Iraq.
Do your research before you spout your mouth off. - snoox, on 01/07/2008, -3/+14that's mah freedoms! stay the course.
- tdelet, on 01/07/2008, -2/+13Saddam sucked. No argument, but why was that reason to invade? There are a lot of bad regimes in this world, but we don't invade all of those countries. But, then again, they all don't have a lot of oil.
- sonnybobiche, on 01/08/2008, -0/+11Uhhh wtf? If we didn't build the canal there, there would be no panama. Read some wikipedia.
- Crosshare, on 01/07/2008, -1/+12This statistic is incredibly inaccurate and is used as a right wing talking point. They compared only the military combat deaths from Bush to the overall military deaths from Clinton. This includes, illness, suicide, etc. When you add these deaths in Bush's administration with the Iraq combat deaths they outweigh by far the deaths from Clinton's administration.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/02 ...
From salon.com: "In fact, when you look at the data provided by the Defense Department, you'll notice that almost none of the deaths during the Clinton administration -- just 76 over an eight-year period -- were from hostile action or terrorism. The rest were the result of accident, homicide, illness or suicide or were of an as-yet-undetermined nature.
These noncombat deaths have not simply stopped happening. There are still noncombat deaths going on in the military, and they are, for the most part, kept as a separate tally from the deaths in Iraq. (To be fair, some of the deaths -- about 16 percent -- that have occurred in Iraq are similarly not the result of hostile action.) The absolute number of deaths that have happened as a result of our invasion of Iraq may not be astoundingly high, but they are still deaths entirely above and beyond those that would happen in the course of normal peacetime military business, and that's not something Colon factors into her argument at all. Military deaths have spiked upward from the final years of the Clinton administration. In 1999, there were 796 total military deaths; in 2000, there were 758; in 2003, there were 1,410; and in 2004, there were 1,887."
BRING YOUR FACTS A LITTLE STRONG NEXT TIME DULLY - MacEnvy, on 01/07/2008, -0/+10Most suicides in-country take place place around the holidays too. It's a very depressing time for some people.
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