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Cheney Lies To High Schoolers About Debunked Iraq/al Qaeda Connection

thinkprogress.org — “Addressing about 100 wide-eyed Wyoming high school students learning about government and the political process,” Vice President Cheney yesterday repeated one of the key fabrications that helped send the United States into war.

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  • shawnfassett, on 10/11/2007, -18/+185George Washington - "I cannot tell a lie"
    Richard Cheney - "I cannot tell the truth"
  • futureb, on 10/11/2007, -16/+96*Any Reporter Asks Any Question*

    Richard Cheney - "Well you have to go back to 9/11..."
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -16/+95@squinky86
    Are you serious? Do you even remember the entire years of 2002 and 2003? Bush's reason for going into Iraq was the oh-so-scary weapons of mass destruction, which, guess what, didn't exist. Of course Bush would say now that we went in to get rid of a dictator, but he is just trying to make you forget one of the most bold-faced set of lies ever told to the American public. Also, Bosnia is incomparable to Iraq. First, Clinton didn't lie about it, and second, it was minuscule in scale compared to Iraq.
  • Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -14/+69@fuzzmeister: Not to mention it pretty much succeeded and didn't result in a quagmire.

    If Bush is so concerned about civil rights for the world's most oppressed people, why didn't he send troops to Darfur?
  • AndyO3000, on 10/11/2007, -14/+59Cheney has no need for facts. He's a deeply flawed and arrogant man. He should be impeached, the sooner the better.
  • revenge7, on 10/11/2007, -11/+40@wiggles

    Don't forget Fox News!

    /sarcasm
  • obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -16/+41Listening to Bush or Cheney these days is like listening to a broken record.

    Let me know when they say something NEW!
  • js00, on 10/11/2007, -8/+32The war in iraq was not launched because of human rights violations. It was launched for a combination of the following reasons

    - Stable Oil Supply
    - Foothold to project power in middle east outside Saudi Arabia
    - Corporate Profit
    - An experiment to gauge future wars and how they should be fought by a modern army
    - Taking out an enemy of Isreal
    - A show of modern US military strength
    - desire to spread "liberty" and "democracy" around the world (based on a misguided assumption that democracy will inspire pro-US sentiments)
    - a distraction to the misguided effort to capture Bin Laden
    - personal vendetta of administration members against Hussein

    I don't even think I would include human rights violations as anything more than a surface justification. It was basically a collection of bad reasons to go to war, albeit rush to war without a cohesive postwar strategy, and we will be paying for it for years to come.
  • slopartdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -13/+32He hates our freedoms.

    FUN DICK TRIVIA:
    Q: Why did Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about Cheney directing the attacks not make it into the 9/11 Commission Report?
    A: The Commission was compromised from the start, stacked with members of the Bush Crime Family.

    Q: Why did he not talk to the police for 12 + hours after shooting his pal in the head?
    A: He was quite drunk and trying to get somone else to take the blame!
  • MeneerR, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20"Clinton bombed Serbia because Milosovich was pumping more oil than OPEC allowed. He wanted to get out of debt with the corrupt IMF and World Bank. This would have lowered profits for OPEC and US oil companies. Jeez wiggles and squinky, get with the program."

    NO NO NO

    We (europe) went to war with Serbia. The US just helped us out. We (europe) would have bombed Serbia either way. Off course, with the powerful military machine of the US on our side, it almost looked like the US did this solo. But it's important to realize that the US did not NEED or WANT this war. They were being loyal to their NATO partners.

    So, why did Europe want to attack Serbia?
    Well, because Yugoslavia was a mess after Tito (the dictator) died: it fell apart, very much like Iraq.
    We had VN soldiers there, to keep the peace.

    Then there was this incident. Dutch soldiers, under VN flag had to flee a bosnian town under military pressure of the Serbs, afterwhich Milosovich people murdered all the muslim males there. Several (UN branded / Dutch army) tanks were stolen.

    VN looked stupid. Either the VN/Europe/Nato had to make a fist or Serbia would walk all over all the peace corps in the area.
    We wanted stability and Serbia was out of control. So we picked side against Serbia (europe/nato were neutral at the time).

    Clinton offered to help us out. But we (European nato partners) would have gone to war with Serbia, even without the US help.
    So, let me REPHRASE THIS ONCE AGAIN:
    The war on Serbia, was a EUROPEAN WAR.

    I don't like the US military policy any more than the next guy, but the war against Serbia was an honest war for a clear reason.
    It was fought, not because of the human rights violations, but because of the proximity of the conflict to Europe. When Serbia stepped out of line, it just made it easier to pick sides and stabilize.

    This also brings me to the Iraq issue. Either America should pick the side of the weakest, or they should split the country up.
    What you can not do is try to make these different cultures play along. These kids are never going to share their toys.

    Often, when you have a dictator in a country, he/she is there, because its the only form of government that actually keeps those specific cultures from killing each other. When the dictator dies (Tito, Hussein) => civil war.

    Thirdly, there are no terrorists in Iraq, there never were. Its a civil war. They are killing Americans because the American occupation is preventing them from killing each other. You wouldn't call the soldiers of the American civil war terrorists, and you shouldn't call the brainwashed blood-hungry mob in Iraq a terrorist.

    It is _NOT_ religious fundamentalism, like it is with Al Queda and the Taliban.
    Its way more like North-Ireland, where the Catholics and the Protestants try to kill each other and British soldiers.
    Then again, some people call them terrorists too. I dunno, what to call it. Its just teenagers killing teenagers in civil war.





  • rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -9/+24"The worst terrorist we had in Iraq was a guy named Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a Jordanian by birth; served time in a Jordanian prison as a terrorist, was let out on amnesty. … Then when we launched into Afghanistan after 9/11, he was wounded, and fled to Baghdad for medical treatment, and then set up shop in Iraq. So he operated in Jordan, he operated in Afghanistan, then he moved to Iraq."

    So that explains why we went after Saddam Hussein!

    Oh wait.
  • TheUngod, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18@Shawnfassett
    If Dick Cheney cannot tell the truth, he wouldn't say "I can not tell the truth", for that would be a truth. Dick, being a liar as he is, would also say "I cannot tell a lie", but of course he'd be lying about it.
  • mynameistim, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20I would LOVE to have a question and answer session with the prez or vp that was broadcast nationally.
  • nhinsch, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19So are you saying what Cheney said is correct?
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18If that happened I'd expect to hear "I don't recall" repeated endlessly.
  • Kikinou, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Are you kidding? They'd never allow anything that wasn't pre-scripted. Even in the so-called "debates" it's all canned crap, for which they have answers memorized. You want to see how it should be done, look at France. Man the debates were brutal, no holds barred, and they couldn't get away with some BS answers, the questioner pressed them and made them answer the question. The town hall sessions had very hostile people with unscripted questions, with followups at that. Dare to dream of a day like that here.
  • CannedMango, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16What sort of world are we living in where we hand so much power to men, who prove over and over again to be lunatics with no moral ground and will lie through their teeth, and we just sit back and leave them be? Impeach these guys and force them to resign their posts. Take away their power and make the Senate and House do their jobs.
  • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13He probably actually believes his own lies.
  • tiberone, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9"*Any Reporter Asks Any Question*

    Richard Cheney - "Well you have to go back to 9/11...""

    Note that this also holds true for Rudy Giuliani.
  • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12"Left-Wing Extremist"

    What are you? A child?

    Please accurately highlight what is soooo "extremist" about Think Progress. And try thinking for yourself as to why you would need to say such a thing. I find it particularly interesting when the Right Wing accuses anything inconvenient to their own ***** agenda as being, "liberal" or "extremists". Seems to me, you hate the truth and somehow in your sick hate filled head you need to combine the two... but I digress.

    The only extremists we see today in our government are Right Wingers... no left wing extremists, NOT ONE! But man o' man, you need that talking point to justify your own extremist views, don't you? Kinda makes right wingers look somewhat moderate in the eyes of the public when you keep claiming there are left wing extremists on the other side...

    To a fanatical closed minded, politically brainwashed lemming, everyone looks kinda extreme. Your problem is, you think everyone should be just like you.... left wing, right wing, you in particular, suck.
  • theNazz, on 10/11/2007, -12/+17Battery operated Dick still lying about the Iraq invasion?

    I'm shocked.
  • behn1220, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9These days?
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Can somebody please start a site dedicated to publishing and counting all the lies of Mr. Cheney? Heck, there should just be a site dedicated to all political lies.

    I don't have the time, nor do I want to be declared an enemy combatant.
  • Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Hell even British parliament is amusing, I love watching the prime minister get bashed constantly while in the room debating.
  • spurtle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5The doc is here:

    http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
    P. 109 of the document, or 112 of the pdf.

    Also from the page:
    "Post war information from an al-Qa'ida detainee indicated that Saddam's regime 'considered al-Zarqawi an outlaw' and blamed hisnetwork, operating in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, for two bombings in Baghdad."

    Edit: Quote from Think Progress:

    "Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi and…the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi."
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Regardless, the idiots would still be responsible. Now, cut the rhetoric and defend your statement. Is that the complete story? What about the special CIA taskforce created by Cheney? Can Neo-cons do anything other than regurgitate biased claims off of Fox News? Why have Americans abandoned critical thinking?
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6
    What he should have said:

    "We are setting up forward bases in Iraq so we have Iran covered when Jesus returns to Israel."


  • baseballpm, on 10/11/2007, -9/+12It was just no child left behind...being no child left unlied to
  • rorster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Al-Queda themselves established the link between Al-Queda and Iraq, by starting a branch called "Al-Queda In Iraq".

    They admitted the link themselves.

    How can you debunk something that even the backwards idiots that you aid and comfort admit is true?
  • Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10Digg bury stories like this because of dumb ass troothers who bring no intellegent arguments to the table. If Digg was ran by the Neo-Cons I highly doubt that every story about Marijuna being legalized, the 360 being better than the PS3 and every article about how evolution is true and Christian Fundies are crazy would make it to the front page.

    But you fit into the perfect troother mold you pick and choose what you want to see regardless if its truth or not.
  • Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Zarqawi was in the parts of Iraq that we helped keep Saddam out of. It's ludicrous to think deposing Saddam would shrink those areas.
  • LGgeek, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7It doesn't matter , high school students don't know where Iraq is and they can't spell it.

  • Osjpr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4http://digg.com/politics/Popular_Mechanics_OWNED

    "Professor David Ray Griffin is the nemesis of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. In his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Griffin destroys the credibility of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics reports, annihilates his critics, and proves himself better scientist than the defeners of official story"

    So, hetman. What did you say again? "Troother"? Can't spell truth? Do you have to twist the word to hide yourself from it?
  • AeonTorpor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I think that's a clinical pointer toward insanity. With what the ***** they're doing to this country that doesn't surprise me in the least bit.
  • skulljar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Dick Cheney: "Now kids, I'd like to introduce you to a great friend of mine. His name is Mark Foley. He is available for tutoring."
  • Osjpr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Isn't this good enough reason for impeachment? An outright, unequivocal lie.
  • atariman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5This administration kinda reminds me of the Richard Pryor skit where he gets caught cheating on his wife, and the trick is to just keep denying it. Pretty funny stuff (Pryor that is). As for this administration, well, the biggest lies are protected by public incredulity. We have a general public totally obsessed with American Idol and Paris Hilton going to jail that most (not all) do not pay attention to the stuff that really matters.
  • kilofox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"Digg.com ID: pitviper, a.k.a. Netscape.com ID: njpitney, a.k.a. Reddit.com ID: pitviper, a.k.a. Nico Pitney, the Assistant Editor of ThinkProgress and the Progress Report at the Center for American Progress. In spite of the fact Nico worked on Gov. Howard Dean's presidential campaign, when The American Progress Action Fund describes itself as "a nonpartisan organization," I'm sure they're talking about Nico too."
  • OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3If Bush-Cheney aren't held accountable for their crimes, it will be the end of the American Republic. They want to force war upon America. War IS the "police state". In a state of war, they have the excuse to do anything. Have you all not seen this yet!?

    Bush-Cheney, and all the 9/11 war profiteers, must be brought to justice.

    You have been warned.
  • hittnrun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I just LOOOOOOOVE how the VP toys with you moonbats.

    I am sure you losers told your parents you would find a job this week and still haven't done it. LIARS!!!!

    Oops, gotta run,
    lots of music needs stealin', lots of dope needs smokin'

    Peace
  • Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -11/+12It's more like Keno, actually:

    http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.239.gif
  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Pitviper is one of Soro's assclowns. ThinkProgress is another propoganda outfit disguised as grass roots. Anyone who believes a word of this is a "useful idiot".
  • g00dETH3R, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5@tooootrue

    You still think its about left and right, while you get ***** by both sides.

    Stop watching FOX and get educated you ignorant tool.
  • Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Yes, from what I read what he said was technically true. The trick here is he presented the facts (and/or omitted certain facts) in such a manner as to imply they meant something else. This is not a new technique. I've seen it used by both parties with increasing regularity the past few years. The implication is clearly a blatant falsehood, but the facts themselves are not. It's like a speech I saw Gore give not long after Katrina, when he strongly implied by the way he phrased his facts that is was Bush who was at fault for all the buses that were under water in N.O. It's still dishonest, though, any way you want to cut it.
  • bigturns, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You've got it right, @icewater. Dicky boy is a coward. Dicky boy is a product of multiple deferments of the war in Viet Nam yet he blissfully sends our bad ass soldiers to die for his/their greedy profits.

    To echo Cheney's comments from the Senate floor, "***** You (Dick Cheney), ***** You"!
  • bigturns, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@screamthenrun, "you don't need to go back to 9/11... all you have to realize is that Al Quaida is in Iraq now.. and that we need to blow their brains out"

    hey chief, if you so keen on such work, why don't you head on over to your local recruiters office and sign on the dotted line... until such time, save your 'kill em all let god sort em out' tripe for church.
  • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Like an 8 yr old will call "*****"
  • wiggles, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5@revenge7:

    Note Fox wasn't in my list.
  • bigturns, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@Jagdwulfe, "Clinton was a bad man who got a blow job and, and... he was bad and his wife is ugly..."

    Man, shut the ***** up. Clinton hasn't been in office for nearly 7 years. Your man, W, is the ***** whose running amok these days. Stick with the program kidd.
  • Impetus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Attack denounce discredit moveon(.org)
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