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- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -33/+126cheney is a criminal who has destroyed this country.
- miketrin, on 10/12/2007, -19/+80Ranger are you paid to post here? You're a blind fool if you can't see what that crook has done with his closed door energy policy, his ties to the companies in Iraq rebuilding with no bid contracts, just to mention a few. Come on and pull your ffing head out of your ass for a second and smell the *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+39Ranger, no one likes to hear fascist lies :D
- Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -14/+33ehm, the whole war on terror crap is his idea dude...
Project For the New American Century (PNAC) anyone? - fitzfan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Cheney thinks he will get better returns overseas, whats the big deal? He isnt saying the US is going to crash, he just thinks that the foreign markets will make him more money. Has anyone looked at the foreign stock markets in the last few years? They have been doing much better than the US.
- daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26The Dems didn't find anything wrong when Hillary had closed door meetings on medical care and the GOPers didn't find anything wrong with Cheney's closed door meetings.
Notice how one side only cares when the other does it? It they had honor they would be upset at both sides. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25Daldredge:
>The Dems didn't find anything wrong when Hillary had closed door meetings on medical care and the GOPers didn't find anything wrong with Cheney's closed door meetings.
Uhhh kind of a rather big difference there. One resulted in: nothing. One resulted in: a metric crapload of money being shoveled by the bucketload from the government to bail out cities served by the very energy companies that were present at the meeting. (Enron, for example) - progolferyo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25Ranger1988
In your analogy to Bill Clinton giving no bid contracts to Halliburton, you equate the two. I think they are not equal. Although I still do not fully understand how no bid contracts are ethically legitimate, Clinton was not vice president of the company. Yes, there may not have been proof of illegal doings in giving Halliburton this many no bid contracts, but the role of government is not to get as friendly and close to committing illegal acts. There should be some ethical discourse and a reasonable separation between government and business. - nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@Ranger1988:
"I will continue to spend part of my free time to unearth the lies and hatred that the left has for this country"
Then your first goal should be to figure out why this amount of hatred. Emotions are in us for a reason. Geeks aren't stupid and are very logical, however they too have emotions.
Other than the blowjob Clinton got, I don't seem to recall this amount of anger towards a president.
My question to you: Is your goal to protect the country for what you believe it was supposed to be or for what your superiors tell you it is?
If, for example, Bush passes some insane law that requires all citizens to be in their homes and not in the streets by 7pm, becauase of terrorism. Would you stand for this or against this? - Spytap, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19None of this has any bearing on the article at hand. Shooting a second person does not make an initial murder any less wrong.
Teddy Kennedy is not in any way related to Dick Cheney's monetary decisions. Ditto for Michael Moore. So aside from "But other people are doing it too!" do you have anything to add to the conversation? - Ranger1988, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23The Congress of the United States did "authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq." This was done in Joint Resolution, H.J. Res. 114 on October 10, 2002.
http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686
The Joint Resolution passed the senate by a vote of 77-23, and passed the House of representatives by a vote of 296-133. So I am not sure which war of aggression without approval you are referring to? You may not like the war, but it was authorized by congress, so there is clearly nothing illegal going on here.
The case against Halliburton is the same case that resulted in a no bid contract to have them perform logistical support in Kosovo for the Clinton Administration. Halliburton is one of the few companies in the world, if not the only company in the world, that can conduct the type of operations that they do. You can read more about them if you are truly interested in the truth. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Plenty of other people are on the warpath for Cheney. Can I intercede with a digg-question? Why refer to a blogger instead of the source article?
- humanaut, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I think it's fairly obvious that Ranger1988 is paid to post here. NARC!
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17"And if you really were interested in the truth you would know that Bill Clinton also gave Halliburton a no bid contract to perform the same type of operations in Kosovo."
'B...b...but Clinton...!' is not a valid argument. Either an act is legally and/or morally reprehensible, or it is not.
And you're right in saying that Bill gave Halliburton contracts as well, but then again Bill was never CEO of Halliburton, so the situation isn't quite the same, is it? Dick Cheney being in the White House only means that the a certain corporate elite can continue to subvert the democratic institutions of the U.S., just like is did back when Bush Sr. was running the show behind Reagan.
The tragedy is that the empire-building alliance between engineering/energy firms and the government, which has extended the global reach of the U.S., now risks self-destruction. The US dollar is rapidly losing ground as the currency of choice, to the extend that the vice-president himself would rather have euros than USDs for his personal fortune. - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Ranger, it's not about breaking the law. This is about morals, you know, the thing Republican wrap themselves in when they want to get elected, but don't actually practice themselves?
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19I just feel it is disheartening for the VP, a war profiteer, to be betting against his own country. One of the issues with the dollar is the debt from the war.
It is too bad his crappy black heart keeps working. I know it sounds cold, but millions could have been saved if Hitler would have died of the flu or something. When the world economy tanks and war burns through ours and every civilization on this planet, we will see how history grades Bush and Co. - nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It's more likely this is a senstive subject for him.
Notice how he is grasping for technicalities and not pointing out anything else.
I've noticed people tend to do that when they know they are in the wrong but don't want to admit it --or-- honestly have a cold or biased heart. It will serve him well in human resources but not here.
I'm just here waiting for the NyQuill (sp?) to give me it's full hit soI can get some sleep... - angrybulldog, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19Hey Ranger, remember when Cheney promised to give back his deferred (profits) payments from Halliburton? Remember that campaign promise?
Well when are you gonna shake him down ... you know, give it back to the troops who served? When's the @##hole gonna pay it back for sending troops into Iraq when they should have stayed in Afghanistan.
Any apologist for Dick ""I had other priorities in the '60s than military service" Cheney is to me, a grade-A pu##y!
More on a so-called no win situation for D-I-C-K-!
"On Oct. 6, 1965, the Selective Service lifted its ban against drafting married men who had no children. Nine months and two days later, Mr. Cheney's first daughter, Elizabeth, was born."
and
"Cheney's Five Draft Deferments During the Vietnam Era Emerge as a Campaign Issue" -- discussing the lengths VP Dick Cheney went to in order to avoid serving during the Viet Nam war. It is apparent from the piece that Richard Cheney did everything humanly possible -- short of fleeing to Canada -- to avoid military conscription: He applied for and recieved 5 student deferments, a number described as "incredible" by professor David Curry of the University of Missouri in St. Louis. Curry has written extensively about the draft, including a 1985 book, "Sunshine Patriots: Punishment and the Vietnam Offender." The Times quotes Mr. Curry as observing: "That's a lot of times for the draft board to say O.K."
Republican chickenhawks in the Executive & Judicial branches:
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
* Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
* Ted Olson, (Starr's assistand, and since Solictor General)
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Ari Fleischer: did not serve.
* Andrew Card: did not serve.
* Ken Adelman: did not serve.
* Don Evans: did not serve.
# Michael Ledeen: did not serve.
# Elliott Abrams: did not serve.
# John Bolton: did not serve.
# Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
# George Pataki: did not serve.
* John G. Roberts, Jr.: did not serve.
* Samuel Alito: did not serve.
# Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
# Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
Republican chickenhawk Mouthpieces :
* Rush Limbaugh-- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
* George Will-- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
* Pat Buchanan-- sought deferment (for bad knee).
* Pat Robertson--his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Matt Drudge: did not serve.
* Steve Forbes: did not serve.
* Tony Snow: did not serve.
* Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
* Brit Hume: did not serve.
* Roger Ailes: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
# Bill Kristol: did not serve.
# Ralph Reed: did not serve.
# Michael Medved: did not serve.
# Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
# Anne Coulter: did not serve.
# Jerry Falwell: did not serve.
# Alan Keyes : did not serve.
# Ted Nugent: did not serve. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I think Ranger is Dick's lawyer
How's your face buddy? - goodoldharris, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14"the vice president pays no attention to his investments."
Buuuuuuuuuuullllllllllllllllllllllllllllssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13"The U.S. represents a quarter of the world's GDP. If our economy tanks, so does everyone else's."
It doesn't really work like that. If the USD loses its dominant position to the Euro (what some people is already happening), then the U.S. can find itself in a more vulnerable position due to its own massive debt (owed in great part to foreign interests).
The danger is not of a collapse of the US economy, but rather a rapid erosion, and such a thing is already underway, IMO. - nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7And you still never answered my questions.
Or perhaps you fear your own answers?
If you disagree with the binary choices, then feel free to modify the question. Be reasonable.
I'm easy to get along with. - Zlaya, on 10/12/2007, -17/+22How about, planning declaring and executing a war of aggression without congress approval? How about the war profeteering deals he scored with haliburton?
- dankoleary, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16If you can't beat them, join the, I'm moving all my funds to foreign equity funds. Sorry America, nothing worse than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There seems to be a money illusion problem here. If inflation turns your $100m investment into $150m, or whatever, the value of your investment has not increased. You're no richer than when you started. You've just prevented your money from losing its value.
- nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@Ranger1988:
I don't think you are placing ethics into your equation.
Perhaps you should try that and see the results.
Being legal is not always being moral -- the reverse holds true as well.
I haven't followed much of this presidency mostly because I don't trust the media and too much ***** to monitor anyways. Didn't we tell the UN to ***** off, we are going to war Iraq anyways?
Now, perhaps you are just trying to push the geeks to actually give you an answer so you or someone can actually do something about it. That's called manipulation. Try being more direct, if that is the case. - appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17Where do i start? I know how about that bastion of Moral Ceritude, Ted Kennedy! His message,take from the rich and give to the poor, he is offended by loopholes and tax shelters for the rich. On the Senate floor he said he wanted to see the word shelter dissapear from the tax vocabulary. "He also said let us shut off tax shelters". He proposed repealing Bush's tax cuts for households making more than 130.000 a yr. He supports the estate and inheritance tax. The kennedy's estimated net worth is 500 mil. But don't worry, they won't be paying taxes on it.Through smart dealings of daddy Kennedy, the money is in a trust in Fiji. When daddy Joe died they paid $134,330.90 on a fortune est at between $300 &$500 mil. Can Ted say tax shelter? So i guess it's o.k. for Ted to hide his money, while taking ours. And Teddy can feel free , wanting to keep the inheritance tax, after all he'll never pay it on his millions. What a hippocrite. Now what were you saying about Cheney?
Just for the record, Michael Moore has stock in Halliburton! - jkenda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Bull. An article at http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/CheneysBettingonBadNews.aspx illustrates Cheney's trust.
"(Cheney's) lawyer, Terrence O'Donnell, says outside money managers supervise the investments".
On a separate note, Cheneys' Halliburton stock options were irrevocably set aside before he took office in 2001 for charity. Source -http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aFOqUzYEgPio&refer=us - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8kolobcreek, I call upon digging your for shouting.
The fact that she has +41 diggs should give you some indication that people generally agree with her, shoudn't it? - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14"If he had his money in accounts that were influenced by the U.S. dollar the same shrill attack dogs would claim that he is trying to influence the dollar to make money."
Uh, no. No they wouldn't. They might attack him for being part of an elite group of war profiteers and empire builders, what with his long-standing ties to companies that make a killing with reconstruction and engineering contracts abroad.
It takes a) a seriously deluded person, or b) a willful disinformer to prentend that the American vice-president placing its considerable personal fortune outside of the U.S. is a good thing. Which one are you? - tardpicard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think this is the most telling line to come out of the Bush Admin.
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans -- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves that there can be too much of a good thing."
- Karl Rove - eniack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4so let me get this straight - he is no longer banking dollars on the 'profiteering' war and has now switched to betting on a failed economy - when its at its highest growth in 10 years?? Well at least he diversifies his investments, right? (How utterly evil, in a neocon-Machiavellian sense)
You people will come up with anything to paint the man a devil. You all sound like teenagers ranting on 'the man'.
None of these silly conspiracies EVER play out do they? e.g. Plamegate? Outed by the Clinton-era Armitage not Karl Rove.
And you wonder why the left keeps losing elections? I don't! keep it coming brainiacs! - carlhungus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8According to the article:"The Cheneys' money is not in a blind trust but, "...
- myborgdrone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Is there any way to track what these guys are investing in and invest in the same thing? Lets start a Digg Mutual Fund and pool all our money and invest in exactly the same things that Cheney invests in. Love him or hate him, he'll make us all rich and wont even know it!!
- elebrio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Inaccurate. Its not simply betting on a bad economy to invest overseas.
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If no one profited from a war...wouldn't the great depression last a lot longer?
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not entirely: out of $8,824,762 which they made from the stock options, they gave $6,869,655 to charity.That left them with under 2M$ for these options, and gave them a tax credit for charitable donations.
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Free trade agreements generally lead to greater growth, so why not gamble on that?"
Except when it leads to an increase in outsourcing...and we all lose our jobs. Thanks Clinton! - elebrio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This has been one of the longest periods of sustained expansion since the end of world war 2. By this I mean the last 4 years.
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i think its a valid point:
liberals like to tax the hell out of Americans while staying safe in their own tax shelters... - Spytap, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I agree that this is just lame. The fact is that the US economy isn't doing really hot and the smart money is overseas. It's not a conspiracy, just the ability to not want to lose your money.
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i wish I could win all my debates with personal attacks, assumptions, and logical fallicies!
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6That's the point, though, isn't it? It's certainly not illegal to invest your money overseas...but it certainly can't be said to be "good for the U.S. economy" either. As one of the highest elected representatives, one would expect him to send a positive message to the general population. Then again, he knows he's not running for office again, so I guess he doesn't really care that much about the American people anymore.
Note that there are plenty of things that are legal, but of dubious moral value. Even the alliance between elites in government and the huge energy/engineering firms, of which Cheney was part, isn't illegal. The case could be made, however, that it is immoral and not in the best interest of ordinary US citizens (or ordinary citizens of other countries, for that matter). - manoftheisland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah and clinton acutally did dodge the draft... but wait i cant say that b/c i have to answer for all the republicans first b4 i can accuse anyone else of doing the same thing... what about John Kerry huh? talk about war crimes
- Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Not to mention that someone with 100 million probably isn't in charge of how their money is invested. If you have that much money you hire someone to make it grow as much as possible.
I don't like Cheney but this is ridiculous - Glidedon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It's called diversification. I've got money in foreign markets too.
If the people who lost everything in the Enron scandal didn't have all their eggs in one basket they wouldn't have lost everything.
Not that I condone what the criminals at Enron did. - nybble41, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@TubaTechno: "liberals like to tax the hell out of Americans while staying safe in their own tax shelters..."
I agree with the sentiment, but object to the use of the term "liberal". Neither of the two major U.S. political parties is liberal. The correct term for a party that wants to raise taxes and/or regulate (non-aggressive, private) behavior is "socialist." The latter form is also known as "conservatism," a subcategory of socialism. The term "liberal" (in U.S. politics) has been bent into the exact opposite of its original meaning and is best left unused, for it cannot be used without causing confusion. - TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually, this is just another attempt for liberals to bash Cheney...when in all reality....moving your money to where it will grow the fastest is the smartest thing you can do.
So liberals are bashing Cheney for being smart...go figure. - carlhungus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Inaccurate. Its not simply betting on a bad economy to invest overseas."
Although this is true, depending on the strategy his advisers are taking not investing in 1/4 of the world GDP (taken from another comment above,not verified) is quite astonishing -- your your losing a lot of diversification. I don't think they are streaching too far to say "his advisors are betting on a down turn" - nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Rangger,
haha, if that's the best you have then you have a very long and bumpy way to go.
Now as for winning debate or elections. Ironically most games I play, I end up being leader. I usually pass it on as I have no interest in that. I rarely lose debates that I want to get into because I do my research and make certain I am informed.
My hatred is for those that abuse their power. It matters not if it is legal. It matters if it is morally wrong. I go out of my way to make peopls lives better.
I'm willing to venture a guess that you have no consideration for those around you, which suprises me that it allows your to uphold you oath which you claim to have (and one of which I highly doubt). It is either that or you do not understand your oath.
This country is not about the people in charge. This country is about everyone. Remember, the president should work for _us_. He should do his job to please as many people as possible and make the best decisions possible.
My 7th grade math teach told me this and I think it applies in the presidents position (by president, I mean the position -- not Bush):
You can please some of the people some of the time.
You can please all of the people some of the time.
You can please some of the people all the time.
You can NOT please all of the people all of the time.
The problem Bush is walking into is that he is starting to make more people angry more often.
Personally, I don't trust him. He's lied and then tries to back pedal. I would much prefer the Clinton response of "I didn't. Err, wait, I did.. I'm sorry". At least then you at least *feel* like you got thr truth. Yeah, he initially lied. I'd bet that it was his advisors that said "uhh, you shouldn't let anyone know.. might be bad" and after a while he said "***** it". IT doesn't matter if it did or didn't happen. He got it over with by admitting to it.
I forgot where I was going.. I'm sick and the cough syrup is really kicking in... extended nap time for me. Weeee. -
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