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- lisaawesome, on 07/18/2008, -7/+94You know the feds just don't want to count them because then there will be real numbers for committed gay couples. They won't be able to pretend all this gay marriage stuff is confined to a fringe culture in San Fransisco.
- SDDave0, on 07/18/2008, -4/+72Tool that is FALSE!!! Straight people under the Bush administration do NOT pay a "marriage penalty" tax, they enjoy a tax cut. Let me give you a hypothetical but very realistic scenario.
Gay couple - one works, no children, no deductions. The one that works makes $60,000 per year. In 2007 that couple would have paid.......$11,430.......because the "worker" had to file single.
Married couple - one works, no children, no deductions. The one that works makes $60,000 per year. In 2007 that couple would have paid.....$8,221......because they were able to file "married filing jointly".
That is $3,200 LESS paid by the married couple, than the gay couple.
Don't believe me? Check it out at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf - SDDave0, on 07/18/2008, -15/+72Just in case my reply to MaynardsTool gets buried:
Tool that is FALSE!!! Straight people under the Bush administration do NOT pay a "marriage penalty" tax, they enjoy a tax cut. Let me give you a hypothetical but very realistic scenario.
Gay couple - one works, no children, no deductions. The one that works makes $60,000 per year. In 2007 that couple would have paid.......$11,430.......because the "worker" had to file single.
Married couple - one works, no children, no deductions. The one that works makes $60,000 per year. In 2007 that couple would have paid.....$8,221......because they were able to file "married filing jointly".
That is $3,200 LESS paid by the married couple, than the gay couple.
Don't believe me? Check it out at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf - desertDenizen, on 07/20/2008, -7/+64Dear Bush & Co,
Not measuring a thing does not make it go away.
Love,
America - mycatsasha, on 07/20/2008, -4/+47I don't agree with gay marriage (which is a personal conviction. I won't marry someone of the same sex, but I won't complain if you do.) I still think that gay marriages should be included in the census! The census isn't about morality or promoting social norms. It's about statistics and demographics. It needs to be accurate.
- slantyeyed, on 07/18/2008, -8/+47so I can be asked my age and ethnicity and marriage status, but not sexual orientation?
- amoirae, on 07/20/2008, -0/+30You just want human/animal marriages to be legal so your parents can finally marry.
- matchmuchach, on 07/20/2008, -6/+34Damn, the US is getting pretty wierd lately... What happened to the Land of The Free? I'm gay, and I'm sooooo happy that I live in The Netherlands. Gay marriage is legal here since 1995 :) And if you ask me pretty soon in the entire EU, the EU is pressuring homophobic country's quite hard lately.
- desertDenizen, on 07/20/2008, -0/+26You're either kidding or not very bright. Which is it?
- desertDenizen, on 07/20/2008, -0/+25You're really missing the point here.
- WordsnCollision, on 07/19/2008, -24/+48Ban organized religion and we won't have ANY of these "problems".
- nick1971, on 07/20/2008, -1/+24Its funny that the US won't count for you in the Census for being gay but it will ask you the question on the immigration information that you need to provide to enter the US for a holiday.
But just to give you guys and girls some hope. I live in Germany we have registered partnerships not marriages also due to the same christian right groups that you have. Slowly but surely the 2 institutions are moving to have the same rights as each other.
I used to live in London. Having had to go through burrying 2 friends that died in a nail bomb attack in a gay bar, being cautioned by the police for kissing my lover in London, and watching someone slice the slide of somones face as I traveled to gay pride I have seen my fair share of discrimination.
As I campaigned with they gay rights movement in London it took us years to move gay sex from decriminalized to legalized, years later to bring the age of consent down from 21 to 18 and years before it was 16 equal to heterosexuals and now I have not lived there for 16 years marriage is possible.
Yes its terrible that gay marriages are not counted in the census and yes you should be sending protest letters to your government but my experience is that change happens slowly. I'd rather see that all of my gay friends could get married independent of which state they are in, that benefits where transferable, that marriages were recognized from 1 state to the next and and and
Once I'd pushed the wagon so far then I would worry about not being counted. - Myonosken, on 07/20/2008, -2/+25You're operating under the pretence that you are a good person. I would have to disagree with you there.
- stonebear, on 07/20/2008, -3/+24"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion." ~ written on a scrap of toilet paper seen stuck to a heel in a DC brothel.
- Pedobear, on 07/20/2008, -0/+21What part of "loving, consenting adults" don't you understand? Animals can't consent (which means that I, as a bear, am off the hook).
- matchmuchach, on 07/20/2008, -0/+20And why is that? It destroys society as we know it? Jesus doesnt agree with it? Like I said, here in The Netherlands we've had gay marriage for 13 years, nothing bad has happened to our country, only happy couples.
What is there to disagree with when two people love each other and want to share their lives together? - lamiaconfitor, on 07/20/2008, -2/+20See, the government hates Gay people afterall, Its okay conservatives!
- secrity, on 07/20/2008, -1/+19A good number of gays have been in "committed relationships" for a long time. If common-law marriage still existed in the US they would meet the requirements for a common-law marriage.
- brstilson, on 07/20/2008, -2/+20I never understood this "defense of marriage." Marriage isn't under attack. You have too many of "those" Christians running around acting like they invented the concept. Marriage has been around a hell of a lot longer than Christianity, so to "those" Christians who want to define marriage as between a man and a woman: marriage is not yours to define in the first place.
- Mrstupid7, on 07/20/2008, -0/+17Do you remember the separate but equal clauses? It's an underhanded form of discrimination.
- cjhowe, on 07/20/2008, -0/+17The census is only supposed to be counting the number of people in a household for the purpose of allocating representatives to the states. All of the other BS is an invasion of privacy.
- ChemiosMurphy, on 07/20/2008, -6/+21This government does not represent the people. Something needs to be done. Something drastic. Something crazy.
- geekchic, on 07/20/2008, -0/+15Actually they are complaining because they are not counted at all.
- GorfTron, on 07/20/2008, -6/+20The USA is sucking it's share of *****. Trust me on than one.
- Myonosken, on 07/20/2008, -0/+13/sarcasm....?
- geekchic, on 07/20/2008, -1/+14"Gay people are less than 1% of the population anyway"
Really - care to explain that statistic which flies in the face of practically every study ever carried out? - wonderchemist, on 07/19/2008, -17/+30Defend Marriage, Ban Divorce!
- kman17, on 07/20/2008, -1/+13How about drop all marriage laws and tax statuses all together, and just leave it as a religious ceremony with no legal implications?
As a single guy in an apartment, I for one am sick of effectively subsidizing other peoples wives, children, and homes. - mithrasinvictus, on 07/20/2008, -0/+12No, everybody should be free to believe what they want.
Since they seem to think marriage is a religious activity, they should have the tax breaks removed. - haxinator, on 07/20/2008, -0/+12I couldn't find the supporting data for your percentages, but even if they are correct that's still over 3 million people. 3% might sound statistically insignificant, but 3 million is a lot of people to simply ignore.
- kdfrawg, on 07/19/2008, -9/+21Oh. No. Don't ban divorce.
- amoirae, on 07/20/2008, -2/+14We already know you're a *****, and thus can be disregarded.
- DuneChild, on 07/20/2008, -0/+12They don't have the same rights and benefits as heterosexual couples, THAT is the issue. Due to the Defense of Marriage Act, these people are not allowed to collect their spouse's Social Security benefits, they cannot file joint tax returns, and they do not get right of survivorship on their homes. They may enjoy some rights and benefits under STATE law, but federal law is still treating them as second-class citizens.
If you don't think those benefits are a big deal, consider that when a spouse dies, the other spouse is not required to pay taxes on the house they reside in, the title for the home just moves to the surviving spouse. For gay couples, who can legally own a home together, the surviving spouse must pay capital gains taxes on half the value of the home when one spouse dies. This can result in considerable expense, and often will require the sale of the home. - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -4/+16By the time the next census is taken the right wing idiots won't control it.
- pintomp3, on 07/20/2008, -1/+12no more fox news for you.
- geekchic, on 07/20/2008, -3/+14According to the article, they can't count state approved gay marriages as "marriages" due to a federal regulation.
Why not simply add a separate category called "state authorised same-sex marriages" then? Sounds like a rather simple way to get round that restriction. - JigoroKano, on 07/20/2008, -0/+11Black people make up a quarter of all Alabamians and they still had the dogs and fire hoses on them during civil rights. That logic really doesn't fly.
- carpespasm, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10Amazing stuff there. I'm glad you pushed for change. Being young enough to not remember a time when open violence toward gay people was accepted it's hard to realize the ***** storm activists like yourself had to go through to just be allowed to carry on a relationship without fear of direct violence. There's still a large gap to go between rights of gay and straight couples, but it's heartening to see how far it's already come.
- cg4et, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10mogebier,
I am sure you have a study that you can cite to back up your 1% number. I am certain you aren't just pulling it out of your ass. - pintomp3, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10it's pathetic how people think the idea of two consenting adults getting married is a threat to the "sanctity" of marriage but shows like "who wants to marry a midget" aren't.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 07/20/2008, -1/+11The next census is in 2010. I have a feeling that by then we can hope for change...
- kd1s, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10Would you please provide citations of those studies? In most cases they're flawed because people still give false answers.
Everything I've read goes in the range of 5% to 10% of total population. And there are slightly more lesbians than gay men.
But based on where I live, the percentage is more towards 15% to 20%. The minute you put in more colleges and universities than churches you suddenly see an increased gay presence. - Synova, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10"...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
He left that out. - Myonosken, on 07/20/2008, -4/+13Well then you know the solution don't you?
Make it legal at the ***** federal level. - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -1/+10going to be?
- Elderon, on 07/20/2008, -2/+11What boggles my mind is why there is a federal act to product a religious ceremony? what the *****. Let the churches deal with that crap. The government should have no part in it.
- malex, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9Wait... the reason you're not gay is because you don't want to offend other people? Am I reading you correctly?
- ZebZ, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9The "marriage penalty" tax applies when both people earn income.
A couple, not yet married, both file separately. That total will be a bigger deduction than when they are married and filing jointly. - jgzman, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9You've never worked for the government, have you?
I'd bet good money that if they started on that now, if we're very lucky, it just might be ready in time for the next census. If we're unlucky, my grandkids will still be wondering the same thing.
Legislature is bad enough, son, but you're tangling with bureaucracy now. - PSotter, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9I've been performing marriages between loving, consensual furries in 2ndwrld. What's the problem?
Sike. what a lame thread. The animal marriage argument fails everytime. -
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