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- blqysmg, on 04/30/2009, -6/+108If this is a dupe, I haven't seen it. Condi Rice said, in front of cameras, that "If the president authorized it, it's not against the law." We do not live in an Absolute Monarchy, where the word of the King is Law. We live in a Democratic Republic, where we elect public officials to represent us, under the law and the constitution. Bush, Rice, Cheney, and all of the others involved in this need to face prosecution and jail time for their crimes. Obama should not be given the option to pursue or not to pursue this important issue.
- jpsoraire, on 04/30/2009, -3/+76Condoleezza Rice has just admitted that if the "president does it, it isn't illegal". What kind of country do we live in
? This kind of talk just makes it more viable to begin an investigation of the previous administration of warcrimes and illegal torture. Thank you Ms. Rice for speaking what you really think. By the way, you and your cronies are all cowards. You were partially responsible for what happened, take responsibility like a grown up woman and maybe, jut maybe people might respect that administration just an ounce more. I repeat, you all are cowards. - Goatface1, on 04/30/2009, -4/+57Contact your congressman now and demand an inquiry. I did. This can't stand. Congress needs to investigate, and the Attorney General needs to prosecute. It's not up to Obama.
- JBizness, on 04/30/2009, -2/+37At the end of the Q&A session, it's too bad that Condi didn't throw up a couple of peace signs and yell "I am not a crook!"
- Disgod, on 05/01/2009, -1/+34So they've gone from, "We never tortured anybody", to "We used 'enhanced interrogation' techniques, but it's not torture", to "Well... we tortured, but since the boss said to do it, it was ok that we did it". Wow nice use of the movable goal posts.
- kroses, on 04/30/2009, -4/+37If WE in this country won't prosecute these TORTURERS, then hopefully some other country will do the right thing! Obama should suffer, however, if he does not punish the TORTURERS! It is his duty to see that justice prevails!
- bsmang, on 05/01/2009, -1/+29She should go down with Bush and Cheney. She's no better than they are.
- IrishJoe, on 04/30/2009, -4/+24So the president issuing an executive order allows him or anyone he designates the ability to do what would otherwise be a criminal offense without danger of prosecution? How do you think it would have gone over if Clinton had issued an executive order allowing oral sex in the oval office and lying about it? Do you think the GOP would say, "Oh, well, if he issued an executive order then it's perfectly fine."? If Obama issued an executive order declaring the US to be a Socialistic state (yeah, I know he isn't a socialist and that they're full of it, but go with me on this) the Republican Party would happily go along with that and support it? Why is it only Republican Presidents and their cabinet secretaries who think declaring that when they do something it's not illegal makes it illegal?
- kareemachan, on 04/30/2009, -0/+15Yup. And totally self-serving ones as well.
- phrenzy, on 05/01/2009, -2/+15Still hanging on to that one, eh?
How about the "whitey tape"? Still holding out for it? - Disgod, on 05/01/2009, -1/+14Your opinion of the author does not have any bearing on what Condi said.
- algaeturd, on 05/01/2009, -1/+12Take her to the Hague. Take them all to the Hague.
- indio007, on 05/01/2009, -0/+11"Just following orders" didn't prevail as a defense at Nuremberg. Ignorance of the Law no excuse.
- inactive, on 04/30/2009, -2/+13Spend 2 minutes and write your congressman. I just did. Should have did it weeks/months/years ago.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml - kevcool, on 05/01/2009, -2/+11"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on [long pause] shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
George Bush 2002 - inactive, on 05/01/2009, -1/+9Save it for your trial Condi!
- FryerJF, on 05/01/2009, -1/+8The United States is a Republic. It was initially a Representative Republic and has become more a d more of a Democratic Republic but we are NOT a Democracy. The people are not solely in charge of electing the Executives or in passing legislation. We have a Congress and an Electoral College which handle that.
- XDingoX83, on 05/01/2009, -0/+7According to that page it says we have not ratified that treaty.
- SoulGrub, on 05/01/2009, -1/+8I watch the show and I personally don't mind listening to the commentary while keeping a skeptical mind, he's done a great job in the past of exposing the Bush administration and other right wing shenanigans. Plus he is far more rational and evidence based than Rush Limbaugh is.
- dracoregis, on 05/01/2009, -2/+9This is why the rest of the world hated America for the last 8 years,
Hopefully times will change, - darkciti2, on 05/01/2009, -1/+8The United States is a Democratic Republic.
This means that we locally elect representatives to the Electoral College. These representatives vote to reflect their constiuents' votes, but they have some leeway when they place their vote. They do not have to vote as their constituents requested, but if they don't, they do so at their own peril.
In the 1960's the majority of American's didn't think black people should have equal rights. Just because a majority believes something doesn't make it correct.
Our Founding Fathers were brilliant in that they had the foresight to include provisions to prevent "mob rule", one such provision being the Electoral College. - moduc, on 05/01/2009, -1/+7Yea, and Obama doesn't have the balls to prosecute them. He was voted into the office, and then he refuse to execute the power to be a good president.
It's almost irrelevant right now who broke the law. If Obama doesn't pursue them, they're off the hook.
I think we know by now who is the responsible party for allowing these people to walk free on the streets.
Obama, do something. Stop talking. Do something about this.
The US used to be a great nation. It has its up and down. The last 8 years are the worse of them all in term of human right violation. It's a period where US is no longer a free, fair and balance country. It's a period where the US didn't have the balls economically or politically or militarily to stop the communists from doing crazy stuffs (reference to the North Korea and China). The US has been weaken dramatically. Bring those people who are responsible for these to justice. Do your job please. - inactive, on 04/30/2009, -3/+9/facepalm
I want Justice served! - Kaegro, on 05/01/2009, -1/+7Condi Rice should also stand trial. Alongside Bush, Cheney and all those other puppets who insist that water boarding is not torture. COME ON! it is torture, no matter what the ***** you all call it. If its causing discomfort with out killing and consent, its torture.
- inactive, on 05/01/2009, -0/+6That is flat-out Nazi. If the Fuhrer does it, it's legal. Just wow.
- dazparkour, on 05/01/2009, -0/+6Say what?
On what reasoning? - tonycomputerguy, on 05/01/2009, -0/+5The comment about how Nixon wasn't half as bad as Bush is funny cuz it's true.
I just fired off e-mails to my congresswoman and senators, and I suggest you do the same, asking them to keep up the good fight and keep pressing for inquiries and trials. I agree that it should not be up to just Obama, the current President can't just throw the previous administration in jail, nor could he lead the charge without heavy opposition from the repubs. If the GOP wants to distance themselves from Bush, offering him up as sacrifice would be a great ***** start. So let the normal channels of our government work this out, but by all means, keep screaming from the rooftops, while trying to be patient.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml - Decimit, on 05/01/2009, -1/+6She is standing, but I wouldn't go any further. She is as guilty as the rest of people responsible for war crimes and I hope they are all prosecuted.
- beakerwimp, on 05/01/2009, -0/+5This is sad. You can hear her voice wavering near the end of her answer... hopefully due to the fact that she realizes how pathetic her statement sounds. I actually feel really bad for her, but she should definitely be held accountable for her actions just the same as Obama, Bush, Cheney, and anyone else in public office should be held accountable.
- Lomstradamus, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4Wow.. Torture might be cool in your eyes but not in mine.
- bobbi21, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4They all suck for going outside of their constitutional powers. Torture is a new low though. This crosses beyond the lines of abuse of executive power to abuse of human rights. A bit rarer in presidents (not counting slavery, since most of the country was guilty of that at the time. As time goes on you expect society to advance)
- brickbat, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4You stupid idiot, do you know what a "lawful sanction" is? It is one affirmed by a JUDGE or JURY via the COURT SYSTEM. None of these people have been tried, let alone convicted of anything. Show me the case where a judge said that these people should be waterboarded.
- hotshotveggie, on 05/01/2009, -1/+5Thanks for the relevant comment.
- Urgentmatter, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4Pssst...24 is a TV show.
- bobburn1, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4President's order/agreement does not equal lawful sanction. The President does not make laws.
- gerrylazlo, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4"Cenk never does".
So you've listened to everything he's ever said? Man, you are dedicated. - B1ackD0g, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4That's the DOJ's call. Their job is to pursue breakers of the law, pure and simple. Sure, Obama appoints the Attorney General, but he doesn't get to set what's prosecuted or not prosecuted. If the DOJ feels political pressure from outside the department they get to fall back to appointing a special prosecuter, who is supposed to be outside political influence. Obama really doesn't have a say in whether to pursue or not, he can only make his preference known. To constrain the DOJ for political reasons is something a monarch is able to do, not a president. That's the way it's supposed to work under our rule of law. The only option he's supposed to have on the matter is whether or not to pardon someone who is once convicted.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and see if the politics of this administration are as soft on following the constitution as the last. So far, he hasn't been as much of an improvement on that score as I'd hoped. - TreeTops8, on 05/01/2009, -0/+3....which is tough to do, since she IS a criminal accomplice.
- darkciti2, on 05/01/2009, -1/+4There are 57 US territories, so Barack Obama was absolutely correct.
The 50 United States
The Virgin Islands
Puerto Rico
American Samoa
Guam
Midway Islands
etc.
You dolts need to open a book, visit a library or read an encyclopaedia before you regurgitate your tabloid FOX/Rush Limbaugh hatred. - SoulGrub, on 05/01/2009, -2/+5Pretty sure 57 states was a joke. I understand some people are too stupid to get hyperbole.
- thegrantman, on 05/01/2009, -0/+3Why does this surprise anyone?
If an administration wants to do something;it simply puts together a team of lawyers to figure out how to skirt the law. - stevo9er, on 05/01/2009, -0/+3Yeah, it often feels futile, but you can't just give up. You have to keep emailing, keep protesting, keep tossing funds towards the few good people and the few organizations that keep watch over these *****.
- rconrad, on 05/01/2009, -0/+3Keep hanging on to those worn out talking point hansy-boy. They're working wonders for your cause
- inactive, on 05/01/2009, -0/+2TYT Nation!
- CaptObvious, on 05/01/2009, -2/+4Oh don't worry Hans, there's loads more for Bushie.
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
"They misunderestimated me."
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
Hell, see them for yourself, there's about one every week:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms ... - stevo9er, on 05/01/2009, -1/+3It is damn nice to see Americans get active. Good job guys, even if it feels futile sometimes, you have to keep pushing.
- SoulGrub, on 05/01/2009, -2/+4It's called dry humor. Delivered in a deadpan manner. kthxbye.
- kingcam, on 05/01/2009, -0/+2Look I want to digg this because I think, like most other people concerned about respecting the Rule of Law, that there ought to be an inquiry and, very likely, some prosecution. However, Condi did not "Pull a Nixon," as much as I hate to admit it. She said basically this, "We were told by [lawyers] that anything that we have in our playbook is not torture," now I, and obviously everyone else, knows that what happened was indeed torture but Condi is just trying to lay the groundwork for a possible criminal defence in the form of "Mistake of Fact," which is basically just arguing that "We honestly didn't think it was torture.” Now, here is where it gets interesting. In a case such as this the only real chance that you have of a Judge (and/or jury) buying this defence is to say “Look, I asked the Government bureaucrat/lawyer and he told me that what I was doing was legal,” if that is the case normally you get let off the hook; things get complicated here because, simply, they are the government bureaucrats and lawyers, so they get into what is basically a feedback loop of legal exculpibility.
So, if there is ever a trial it is all going to come down to a signal decisions: is the judge going to interpret the law and allow this loophole, or is he going to reject this obvious attempt at skirting the rule of law. If there is a trial more will rest on it than just doing justice for those who were tortured; it will set a precedence, if the courts buy this defence then all the executive will have to do in the future to avoid a law is say, “Our lawyers told us this was OK.” - aletoledo, on 05/01/2009, -0/+2I feel dirty, but I upvoted my first HuffingtonPost article. It would be a lot easier for everyone if Cenk Uygur left the HuffPo to the Obama idolation crowd and used his talent and insight someplace more appropriate.
- darkciti2, on 05/01/2009, -0/+2If Bill Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Rice, are guilty of torture and/or violating our contract with the rest of the world, they need to be brought before The Hauge.
I would apply the same measure to Obama, but he ordered an end to advanced intelligence gathering techniques (Torture/Waterboarding).
If you want to know what waterboarding is like, exhale deeply, hold your breath when your lungs are empty until you absolutely can't hold it any longer. Waterboarding is equivalent to holding it like that for another 30 or 35 seconds beyond that (or any arbitrary duration, depending on your agent). The highest level CIA agents can't last more than 30 seconds.
Now multiply that feeling of terror an order of magnitude. "It's horrible" doesn't quite describe it adequately, now, does it? -
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