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- ironhide, on 07/18/2009, -38/+426As a recovering southern baptist, I can agree that they're nuts.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 07/18/2009, -29/+364What surprises me is that the only fault he found was their treatment of women.
- spartan777, on 07/19/2009, -30/+321Why does Carter keep being such an awesome ex-president?
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 07/18/2009, -19/+150"Talk to" != "Support".
- uncajoe, on 07/18/2009, -7/+134One step at a time, and take on the biggest and most widespread discrimination in the world. Women are discriminated against by religious practices, cultural traditions and even laws around the world. That raises the question - Why are women treated as "minorities" when they are the majority of citizens of this planet?
- peheimbach, on 07/18/2009, -14/+141From Mr Carter's position paper:
"At their most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities."
Mr Carter also speaks to the abuse of the Scriptures by the Church - abuse whose sole reason for being is to cement the POWER of those committing the abuse.
I've given up speaking of it much - although those who watched me during Mr Obama's campaign will recall that certain stories evoked infuriating (for me) memories of my work with abuse shelters during college. I'd given up speaking of it much, because where I live, joking about women being barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen is as much part of normal conversation as asking about the next Promise Keepers or Men Following Christ meeting.
I've walked away from the church (per se) on the basis of the abuse of power - especially as it manifests in the Right-wing's attempt to use Southern Baptist-style Christianity as a means of misguided control.
Perhaps there remains reason to hope. I will watch Mr Carter for clues as to how he handles himself, and how he chooses to "do" religion from this point forward. But at the very least, hope exists in that Mr Carter has removed one last reason for restraint in the sort of cleanse of NeoCon / Social Conservative religion that remains needed for society to move forward. - novenator, on 07/19/2009, -22/+146Southern Baptists are more similar to the Islamic fundamentalists than anyone gives them credit for. It is up to the few good people that have not been brainwashed by their fire and brimstone doctrine to speak out and reform them before they start throwing acid in the faces of women who dare try to educate themselves.
- DrRossi, on 07/19/2009, -19/+133Carter was always awesome. You Americans just did not want to see it.
- pintomp3, on 07/19/2009, -7/+103Carter was way ahead of his time. He was right on most of the issues. He wasn't a good politician though, which is a compliment. He told Americans what they needed to hear, not just what they wanted to hear. And he didn't compromise his principals to get support from other politicians, which made it hard for him to get anything done.
- presidentraygun, on 07/19/2009, -11/+106Good on him.
- uncajoe, on 07/18/2009, -18/+105I consider this a "MUST SEE" video explaining biblical views of women.
It was intended to point out the hypocrisy of religious groups using "Traditional Marriage" as a reason to deny gays and lesbians the right to marry but also fits into the hypocrisy of woman's place in Christianity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw - beautifulady, on 07/18/2009, -18/+102Carter does not support Hamas. He supports peace. There is a difference between trying to find common ground with people you do disagree with, (and to have the courage to do so despite ideological differences), and embracing their ideology. Being willing to talk to Hamas to try free Gilad Shalit, for example, didn't mean Carter supported the kidnapping. In fact, Carter was instrumental in having Shalit taken to Egypt where he could see his family.
Whether Hamas will remain a terrorist organization is anyone's guess, but you can't guarantee anything else by refusing to deal with them at all. Carter knows this.
I have been an admirer of Carter's for many years. His humanitarian work is extraordinary. - ZenMojo, on 07/19/2009, -5/+78Carter was too honest and too straightforward. He was also too ***** effective. Stagflation ended in his term and he rescued those hostages in Iran without a single casualty, not to mention how he balanced the budget and had a cumulative surplus across his four years. Reagan ran an entire campaign on lies, empty promises, and then as soon as he entered office tripled the national debt and drove us into several recessions. He even took back the tax cuts he passed two years into his presidency because he ***** up so much. But Republicans consider him the best they've got and use his initial failures as a basis for all of their ideas.
Americans basically gave credit to Reagan for 1) stuff that never happened, 2) stuff that the Russians had been working on for decades, or 3) stuff that Jimmy Carter actually accomplished in his last days.
In fact, Reagan's first act was to rip the solar panels off the White House just to spite Carter's pragmatic foresight. A symbolic entry into the dark ages for this country in fact, one that we still find it difficult to get out of. - Jeff901, on 07/19/2009, -9/+79They aren't the only Church that does this........souther baptists are just more up front about it.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 07/18/2009, -18/+84What's ***** is having a list of "nations we consider to be evil" and you're either on the list or off the list.
- undervalued, on 07/19/2009, -13/+76After recovering several years ago from the insanity of a similar cult-religion I can say this was also one of my major issues, although there are many others. Also I sympathize with Jimmy Carter, it is very hard to leave behind all the people and the life you knew, and I was only in it for 20 years, can't imagine 60!
My respect to you Mr. Carter. - Rugmeister, on 07/18/2009, -2/+60Not necessarily the "only fault" but merely the one he couldn't forgive.
- JinxCrow, on 07/19/2009, -8/+64Even though it took him awhile, still have to say thank you for saying that and getting up the courage to walk away from something you know is wrong.
- silverchrysalis, on 07/19/2009, -3/+57It's harder to pronounce.
- beautifulady, on 07/19/2009, -6/+57@flip, how else to make peace? Kill every last one of them? What did the British do in Northern Ireland? Opposing groups need to find common ground so that there is a place to build peace. This conflict has gone on for so many years and has cost so many lives. Should the killing continue, is that the alernative you favor?
- Mark1981, on 07/19/2009, -5/+52What do you expect I'm a Christian (an Anglican which makes me left leaning against many others types), and it really annoys me when for centuries, Mary Magdalene has been misidentified in Western Christian Tradition as an adulteress and repentant prostitute. This is despite no occurrence in the New Testament identify her as such.
In fact Mary Magdalene may of been a prominent disciple and leader of one wing of the early Christian movement that promoted women's leadership.
Pope Gregory the Great made a speech in 591 A.D. where he seemed to combine the actions of three women mentioned in the New Testament as Mary Magdalene a prostitute.
- This erroneous view was not corrected until 1969 when the Vatican issued a quiet retraction. (Never have trusted the Vatican, Jesus real or not would surely have been against such an organisation as this). - smacksaw, on 07/19/2009, -13/+57Support?
That's like saying that George Bush supports illegal Mexican immigration because he spoke to President Fox. - draculthemad, on 07/19/2009, -4/+46Seriously, Exactly how much political ambition do you think Carter has?
The insinuation that he would be motivated by it at this point is somewhat asinine, don't you think? - beautifulady, on 07/19/2009, -5/+44What's wrong with converting to Islam, genius?
- kanojo1969, on 07/19/2009, -7/+46flip2trip - you're suffering from this delusion that 'terrorists' are some other species, only vaguely related to humans, and they can't be understood or reasoned with.
It's sad, and *****. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter; these 'terrorists' have families they love and often they are performing the ultimate sacrifice to give their people some chance. I personally don't endorse violence as a solution for anything, but I can understand why terrorists exist and why in many cases their grievances are legitimate.
You only have to put the shoe on the other foot for a second; lets say the US was invaded by a far superior force, and somehow in the ensuing resistance effort that you would surely be part of, your wife and young children ended up being killed in some horrific fashion.
Of course you are going to want revenge and justice, and without a proper armed force or government, 'terrorist' actions are your only weapon. What are you going to do? You'll become a terrorist.
It takes the worst kind of hypocrisy to say it's only terrorism when it's arabs doing it to us, and when we do it to them it's a noble resistance. - norman619, on 07/19/2009, -7/+45Well to be honest, the bible is full of crap like that. They are being true to the word of God. Modern Christians for the most part cherry pick which parts of the bible they will follow. They usually skip the more barbaric parts.
- SamSks, on 07/19/2009, -20/+57The Bible is patriarchal and any religion based upon it is patriarchal. Why? Because it's the myth of a patriarchal society.
Most of the Eastern religions are not much better.
The ONLY religion that gives women an equal status are the pastafarians. - inactive, on 07/19/2009, -3/+38@p51d007 your a frakking moron
- camintmier, on 07/19/2009, -5/+38As long as he hasn't switched to Scientology, I'll be happy.
- SpinningHead, on 07/19/2009, -4/+35Did someone forget Reagan trading arms to terrorists?
- lamiaconfitor, on 07/19/2009, -0/+31He has actually had falling outs with the SBC for lots of different reasons. Including, but not limited to the change they made in their charter removing "Jesus" as "the ultimate authority on the bible" and replacing him with the members of the Southern Baptist Convention. If I were a Christian (especially a protestant) I would be horribly offended by the unmitigated hubris, as was Carter.
- inactive, on 07/19/2009, -4/+35 I've wondered that for years.
Cause men have the power i guess. - esc27, on 07/19/2009, -8/+38Not to demean the subject, but that article was terrible. Not one sentence explained exactly what the Southern Baptist organization had done to cause Cater to leave.
From his essay:
"So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when the convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service." - jgzman, on 07/19/2009, -0/+30Why do I get the feeling that you didn't read the article?
And the certainty that you didn't read the essay? - scottc, on 07/19/2009, -2/+32It's called wisdom. Some day you will be old enough to recognize it.
- miffelplix, on 07/19/2009, -13/+42If we followed the course laid out by Carter as President, today we would be energy independent and have a balanced federal budget, and by pursuing an even handed policy in the Middle East would possibly have seen a just peace between Israel and Palestine. His failure as President was that he was a generation ahead of his times.
- dank123, on 07/19/2009, -12/+40It's about time Jimmy. As someone who has dated and lived around southern baptists for a long time I can tell you that they are extremely uneducated and crazy.
- jftitan, on 07/19/2009, -5/+33I followed the stoning to death someone who works on Sundays. But it took three stones for people to tell me it was wrong. Why, when it IS in the bible. Do we follow it literally or metaphorically? Or do we just ignore parts of the "Word from God" book?
The logic failed me then, as it does today. - Presbyterian, on 07/19/2009, -35/+62He's making up for his lousy Presidency.
- beautifulady, on 07/19/2009, -6/+33Nothing comes out of a vacuum, whether it's terrorism or anything else. Jimmy Carter doesn't support terrorism, which is what some people try to infer from his willingness to listen to the aggrieved in hopes of addressing their grievances and thereby ending the cause of terrorism.
Ignoring people you don't like doesn't make them go away and doesn't solve your problem, especially when the problem involves murder and mayhem. Unless said murder and mayhem may be used to justify the continuation of policies that serve the oppressor.
I'm getting tired of Israel continuing to refuse to negotiate its way to peace. Apparently blockades, separation barriers and bombing their enemies back to the stone age works better for them, or so they think. And then they want to know why people don't like them. - seanayb, on 07/19/2009, -13/+40What's blind is to be pigheaded enough to generalize and write them all off as you have.
- bubba9999, on 07/19/2009, -2/+29Gee, Flip, did you get your mom to repost the same comment that you made a minute ago, or did you make up two accounts?
- SirBruce, on 07/19/2009, -4/+31You people call yourselves Southern Baptists and you don't even known the tenants of your own religion? The SBC teaches that wives must be subservient to their husbands. If you don't think your particular church preaches that, fine, but then it's no longer part of the SBC, just like Jimmy Carter.
- mrdude4290, on 07/19/2009, -2/+28go for it
- takamalak, on 07/19/2009, -4/+29Um, yeah. He wasn't muslim, dumbass.
- secrity, on 07/19/2009, -2/+26Why the hesitation?
- azaraa09, on 07/19/2009, -1/+25Why the hell was that Carter's fault? Wake up.
- ChristmasPoo, on 07/19/2009, -2/+26The bible was written by MAN with their own personal biases, both old and new.
- Disgod, on 07/19/2009, -4/+28That's a true religious classic. The amusing part is that they forget that those 10 commandments they love so much are FROM the old testament, and they'll gladly delve into the OT to justify some prejudice. And then there's that other part about their god is unchanging, except apparently he decides to change his mind and take another crack at it... which is odd considering the Judeo-Christian god is supposed to be perfect. You'd think he'd get his holy book right the first time, and not need a do over.
- smacksaw, on 07/19/2009, -8/+31I was raised a SB and we were taught nothing but respect for women who know their place. Women are treasured and taught that they have value in rearing children and deserve respect from men for all of the cooking and cleaning they do at home. In fact, we are taught to love our wives domestic servitude as Jesus loved the slaves*.
There. I fixed that for you.
*Luke 12:47 -
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