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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -39/+164Nixon:
>fisj139 is right. Carter had a 21% approval rating, and that's without a botched war to deal with.
Well actually Carter left office with a 34% approval rating -- see http://uspolitics.about.com/library/bl_historical_approval.htm
>Carter is one of those guys who only did anything useful after he left office.
Well actually he did broker the Camp David Accords, a revolutionary moment in history for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Other than that, you're right, he didn't do anything "useful."
>Like Al Gore who only ratcheted up the environmental rhetoric AFTER he was no longer the one who had to make decisions,
Like it or hate it, actually Gore advocated and brought on board most of the world to sign the Kyoto Treaty during his tenure in the vice-presidency. So maybe your word "AFTER" in caps was ill thought out.
>Carter was a completely ineffective President and now acts as if current leaders aren't doing their job. Now, to his credit, he didn't ***** up like Bush, but he really didn't do anything at all.
Well, he also brokered the Panama Canal treaty, created the Department of Energy, expanded the National Park system -- hey just off hand, how can someone like yourself be so ignorant of what happened just a few short years ago? Everything you posted was wrong. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -81/+205President Carter is one of the smartest and noblest men in our day. He dedicated his life to serving men, women and children in every capacity he could. With the heart of a tender-loving parent and decades of service at the highest levels of government comes incredible insight, outstanding judgement and sound wisdom.
I respect him, agree with him and believe these statement represent the feelings of the American people. - specialK16, on 10/11/2007, -25/+105Homer Simpson on "Top 10 Reasons Why Should I be the Next President":
"Number 10: I'm smarter than the last guy" - Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -45/+111Yeah, W is the Worst President Ever.
Seriously, he's the worst I've lived to see, and from what I've read none of the earlier ones were as bad as W either. I can't think of anyone worse.
And it seems neither can pretty much anyone else:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101509.html
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushworstpresident.htm
http://hnn.us/articles/19113.html
http://www.theworstpresidentever.org/
...ah, hell, there's too many to post, see for yourselves:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=worst+president+ever&btnG=Google+Search - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -20/+77Nixon:
>I didn't say he left office with a 21% approval rating, I said he "had" a 21% approval rating . . . which he did.
Okay, show us -- here's a graph from the Wall Street Journal of all presidential approval ratings -- http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
So perhaps you can show us directly on the chart.
>The Camp David Accords? That didn't exactly . . . stick. Also, Yasser Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize for middle east peace too. They keep giving out awards, but peace never happens.
You said he didn't do anything useful. Now you're complaining that while he did do things, and even won a Nobel Peace Prize, really that wasn't much. You want to settle on an argument and then we'll discuss it?
>The Kyoto Treaty is/was a joke. It did nothing, does nothing, and will never do anything. Those who signed on are now failing to meet their goals en mass and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
So you say. Except that your original statement was that Gore didn't "ratchet up the environmental rhetoric" until after he left office. In fact your statement is so beyond stupid that it's hard to even comprehend how you could not even know 1) about Kyoto, and 2) that he wrote an entire book called "Earth in the Balance" about (guess what?) the environment, first published in 1992. It's almost like you're advertising your ignorance proudly.
>The Camp David Accords AND the Panama Canal Treaty? Looks like somebody learned how to use Wikipedia to find the two obscure accomplishments of a do-nothing President!
Ahhh... so "do-nothing" means "did nothing that you think was important enough to rate cause Nobel Peace Prizes aren't that great anyway" and "didn't ratchet up the environmental rhetoric until after he left office" means "didn't discuss too much about the environment except that he wrote an entire book on it, and the worldwide treaty he introduced wasn't that big a deal anyway." - OneHine, on 10/11/2007, -9/+56Don't forget from the perspective of terrorists. We've wasted billions of dollars, pissed on the Constitution, and far from doing it all for more security, have in fact achieved the illusion of more security. Unless someone out there really thinks that keeping toothpaste off planes and holding suspects indefinitely without charge somehow dissuades terrorists.
- shadus, on 10/11/2007, -59/+104I'd trade carter for bush any day... as many stated, carter did nothing... which is a world better than all the ways bush is screwing us on a daily basis.
- lickmygiggle, on 10/11/2007, -11/+51While Bush thinks EVERYBODY is his enemy.
Personally, I'd rather be next to the guy who wants everybody to be his friend. - rodii, on 10/11/2007, -19/+59>The Camp David Accords? That didn't exactly . . . stick.
Really? do you know of some Egypt-Israel war the rest of us don't? That's a pretty big scoop. Tell us about it. - Tabou, on 10/11/2007, -19/+58A peanut farmer, a Sunday school teacher, a governor, a president, and a writer of more than 20 best-selling books. Plus it's spelled "hear hear" NOT "here here."
- inactive, on 11/02/2007, -18/+56It all depends on your perspective... for the American people Bush is certainly the worst ever, hands down. From the perspective of say... the miltary industrial complex, big oil and the surveillance/security industry... he's been the best.
- heynow21, on 10/11/2007, -14/+40And a nuclear submarine captain, which is actually an "accomplishment" in life, unlike getting your daddy to buy you part of the Texas Rangers.
- laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -18/+43Carter was the victim of Reagan's collusion with Iranian terrorists.
I repeat: Reagan was complicit in the trading of arms for hostages - in today's vernacular, 'appeasement'.
Carter also stuck it to communist Russia, a move that royally pissed off America's mostly-Republican farmers. You see, they may have claimed to hate the commies, but they sure loved their money.
In short, Carter was conspired against by Republicans on both sides of his tenure as President. No wonder he was gridlocked.
Also, Bush is not only the worst president, but the greatest traitor to America since Oliver North, Nixon, Kissinger, etc. - eclectro, on 10/11/2007, -14/+38I think there are those who would argue that giving up the Panama canal was not a good thing. But one thing Carter did not do is take away Habeas Corpus and erode the Bill of Rights. Not to mention Carter did not give us "signing letters."
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30@Grouser et al: I don't know about the other guys here, but I don't love Carter. I lived through Carter, and thought him weak and ineffectual while in office.
I also think W is *even worse*.
Carter didn't irreversibly? damage the constitution and the society at large, he wasn't surrounded by criminals and profiteers, he wasn't responsible for 4000+ dead americans (yes, if you include the 1000 dead "contractors" we're already past 4000 dead) much less somewhere between 60000 and 500000 civilian iraqis, he didn't field huge mercenary armies, he didn't authorize domestic spying, he didn't try to muzzle or suppress government scientists, he didn't try to reverse Roe vs Wade, he didn't ruin the US economy and make the US dependent on Chinese loans through insane deficit spending, he didn't authorize torture, and he didn't govern by keeping the civilian population constantly afraid and clamoring to be led to safety.
Carter was indecisive, a bit too trusting, and perhaps not very suited for the job - but apparently a fundamentally honest person. I don't think even Bush's few remaining supporters think that much can be said of Bush. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28Nixon:
>Unless you get kidnapped and the guy next to you is unwilling to do anything about it because he wants to be friends with the kidnappers.
You mean like selling them arms? Yeah, that would suck. - MacintoshSauce, on 10/11/2007, -8/+26At least President Carter can form a coherent sentence unlike the current President Bush.
I was watching the news a few nights ago and that moron (Bush) actually pronounced military like this: millertary. Is it time for a Miller, you idiot? - Grouser, on 10/11/2007, -16/+34Someone, who is now dug way down, wrote, "...Iranian Hostage Crisis didn't end until Carter was out of office"
Carter sent in the Delta Team to rescue the hostages, and the Delta Team ***** it up. Then the Republicans got into the picture and bargained with the Iranians for the "October Surprise" and arms-for-hostages.
Carter's main failing was on the economy, not Iran. - RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/11/2007, -16/+33@nixon
The camp david accord was between egypt and Israel, not yasser arafat you ***** retard. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+22John:
>That's rich. This from the man who gave us the concept of the "Islamic Republic" in the first place.
Wow, Carter was responsible for Pakistan becoming an Islamic Republic in 1956? That's quite rich. Hey, JohnGalt, you ever notice that Ayn Rand fundies are actually ignorant of real world events? - kuyman, on 10/11/2007, -9/+22So you know Jimmy Carter is a former president. Not ex-president.
I have never wanted to digg down everyone so bad before. - spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17Bush's middle east diplomacy? i didnt think there was such a thing.
- Tabou, on 10/11/2007, -11/+23@GawtMilk
He may not be the best president we've ever had, but he's accomplished a lot in his life regardless. Since he left office he has done more than any other president "to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development" around the world, which earned him a Nobel prize. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -36/+48Carter??? LOL!!!!
Pot meet kettle. Kettle? This is pot.
Don't get me wrong, I'm NO fan of the Bush Admin. But apparently people here aren't old enough to remember the utter abomination that was the Carter presidency either. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+17Plus Reagan massively, and I mean massively, increased the country's debt.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14bishop:
>You cannot measure the successfulness of a presidency by the amount of national debt it generated.
Yes, you can. He bankrupted the nation, then Bush I decided to come in and finish us off completely. Then Bush II went on a drunken economic rampage for six years. Three Republican peas in a wild spending spree pod.
>Case in point, even though Carter's impact on the national debt may have been small, the standard of living was horrible. I remember those times and there were bad. Really bad.
So the standard of living will be higher or lower for your kids when they pay off your multi-trillion dollar debt?
>An increase in national debt is not necessarily a bad things.
No, a MODERATE increase in national debt is not necessarily a bad thing. Doubling the national debt like Bush is on track to do, is not just a bad thing, it's an astonishing achievement of incompetence.
>You borrow money to buy a house. Your debt increase but so does your standard of living.
Yes, wouldn't it have been nice if we had invested money into our national infrastructure. But, we didn't.
>Reaganomics have made this country great again.
Right, supply side Reaganomics worked wonders. The standard of living of the highest 1% increased, the standard of living of everybody else decreased, and the wealth margin massively increased.
>We all owe a great debt of gratitude to the great man and president Ronald Reagan was.
And we'll owe this debt for our children, and our children's children. Truly we owe him a debt that we can never repay. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13protip: not everyone on digg a freaking American. Welcome to the World, even we now do serious business on the internet.
- FredoBerfil, on 10/11/2007, -8/+18I'm a registered Libertarian who's voted for Republicans and Libertarian candidates his whole voting life... except this last election (where I finally pulled the lever for the Democrat party). Yes, I've lived through the Carter presidency.
I actually paid attention in history class - and although Carter was at best a mediocre president by any sane reading of history, he's an extremely intelligent, principled man who happens to be spot-on in this instance: Bush is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER. - Wacer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15@kmye
I was alive during his presidency and in case you didn't know, the president has a lot less to do with the economy than people realize. What is more worse, a president (Carter) that couldn't make good decisions that would get this country out of its rut or a madman like Bush that ***** all over the Constitution, make the nation debt graph almost go vertically up, endorses torture, illegal wiretaps, Justice Department tampering to favor Republicans, fostering the Valerie Plame fiasco, and slapping a (State Secret) gag order on Sibel Edmond and congress over her whistle-blowing.
I think I'll take the president that keeps more or less than the status quo.
Look on Wiki about Executive Orders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders
Bush has dished as many Executive Orders as all the Presidents from 1960-1999. Talk about trying to expand the power of the executive branch. He does it at a pace of almost dictatorship. - laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15Bush is a traitor and you're his sphincter-lamprey.
May you live long enough to realize what a disgusting creature you are. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13future:
>Under Jimmy Carter's watchful eye, Hugo Chavez defeated the recall attempt by a wide margin -- reflecting almost a mirror-image of the opinion polls.
Just to cherry pick this gem of yours, weren't the Organization of American States and the European Union also monitoring the election? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8serpico:
>Right. Because defeating our mortal enemy (the USSR), lowering taxes, and creating the longest sustained economic growth this country has ever seen is the mark of a bad president.
Wow. By what measure did he start the longest sustained economic growth this country has ever seen? 'Cause I don't know about you but I remember a recession in the late 80's. After he blew the budget in a supply side, trickle down orgy of waste. Hey, I just looked it up and the NBER agrees with me http://www.nber.org/March91.html and the NBER are the guys who decide what is and what isn't a recession.
So all those claims of dumping the debt into the rich and having it trickle down, resulted in a trough of activity in 1991. Wow.
And the rest of your post is your predictions that take place in your mind -- hard to disprove your fantasies with facts. - spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11sounds like a spinoff of the classic '... But Clinton did it too' argument.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12kmye:
>Lemme get this straight...Reagan, in between his tenure as Governor, and running for president, during Carter's term, colluded with Iranians?
The hostages were released only the afternoon that Reagan was sworn in, so Reagan didn't do anything as president, certainly.
Whether you give it any weight or not here's the premise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy - stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@GawtMilk,
Just name one goddamn thing Bush did for this country?
Because we have a list of good things Carter has done for the World, as well as this country. Also, those low numbers were because of the Iranian hostage crisis. We now know Reagan was involved in making Carter look bad while making backroom deals in arms (IRAN/CONTRA).
Sadly for you, the truth has it's way of making it into the public spectrum. Your GOP talking points have been eviscerated by history itself. - Satanael, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14Anti-Bush? Hell, I'll digg it. Certainly the worst president of my lifetime...
- sodade, on 10/11/2007, -10/+15Looking at the most popular news stories on that web site, I am confronted by the vauge feeling that we Americans deserve Bush.
* Carter: Bush's presidency has been 'worst in history'
* 19-year-old dad charged with microwaving baby
* Three teachers caught in park sex sting near Salem
* Web site for pedophiles back up and running
* Woman sentenced for decapitating daughter
* Crash involving 3 cars and a semi snarls I-5
* Search continues for missing runner
* Baby killed in overnight t-bone crash in Everett
* How to beat Priceline
* A new eye for Eddie - niczar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Reagan didn't reduce tax, he delayed them -- he produced a MASSIVE deficit that later generations will have to pay. That is, if the ***** that's your country doesn't take the whole world with it in its downward spiral.
- MacintoshSauce, on 10/11/2007, -14/+19"I believe he's the only ex-pres to have gone aboard to attack a sitting president in a time of war. This guy is an anti-american traitor that needs to be jailed and you braindead fools are honoring him? Get out of your idealistic, liberal brainwashing and look at the truth for once."
***** you, you stupid neo-conservative bastard. I am not liberal or conservative - I am a Libertarian. Thanks for painting everyone with the same brush you moron.
Bush isn't a traitor? He has taken away your Constitutional rights with the bloody Patriot Act. That isn't treasonous? Please. Cheney isn't a traitor? I think you better do some more research before you let more ***** come out of your mouth. - uhohpancho, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Because the hostage crisis was an act of American aggression against Iran? They kidnapped OUR embassy workers, duder.
The reason why the Middle East hates us is because of reactionary backlashes against Western ideals that we try to impregnate them with. Also, Israel. - golfguy2788, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12As my good friend Borat would say... Bush is the best president ever... pause... NOT.
Jimmy wasn't very good but i only pray to God that we could have him in place of our fearless leader. - mrASSMAN, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11I think you really have to understand the impact Bush has had on the world and especially this country at every level to realize the full extent of his presidency. Everything considered, he is the worst president in the last 100 years at least, before that I don't have as much knowledge.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+17squinty:
>Give me a strong leader who is willing to do what it takes (including tapping phone calls made to known and suspected al Qaeda members outside of the country
If he was tapping people who were Al Qaeda members, or even suspects, why wouldn't he go to the FISA court after the fact? They approve 98% of requests, even up to three days later. Unless he wasn't actually tapping those people, but tapping folks like Democrats, then he'd have a great reason to not go to the court. Hmmm... well, I'm sure that's okay with you too. - fight4yourright, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Carter was one term president...Under his rule, inflation and unemployment was high. He said we we were running out of oil. Gas prices soared. He was voted out of office.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7bishop:
>You might dislike Bush but you cannot possibly tell me that everything he has done during his presidency has been bad.
I do like what he did with daylight savings time. He's buggered up pretty much everything else. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11bishop:
>Unemployment below 5%
I like your factoid list! People who have "stopped looking for work" aren't listed. Which is nice in that it drops it from the 9+% it would be otherwise. Also people who have used up their benefits? Not listed.
>Dow at an all-time high
Another brilliant factoid. Yup, the market went up -- slightly, and not even as much as inflation. "an investor putting $100 on January 20, 2001, into a portfolio of the Dow Jones 30 Industrials and maintaining the index balance until March 2, 2007, would now have the purchasing power of $98.90; an investor doing the same but investing in the Standard & Poor's 500 would now have the purchasing power of $89.21; and an investor doing the same but investing in the NASDAQ Composite index would now have the purchasing power of $74.15."
Compare to Clinton's numbers where a person would have tripled their money. Actually compare to any other president's numbers since the depression and get back to us. http://dark-wraith.com/2006/05/analysis-index-portfolio-performance.html
>Home ownership is at the highest is has ever been
Yup, thanks to the low interest rates first brought to us by... Clinton, not Bush. Actually interest rates have gone up under Bush.
>Tax revenues higher with lower taxes than under Clinton
Lower taxes? Not quite there buddy -- he shifted the tax rates on to the states which then increased their taxes. AND he did it while running up more debt, which means more tax payments in the future.
>You're right. He's been horrible for the country. [sarcasm]
Well yes, unless you focus like a laser on misleading factoids generated by the GOP. - psitech, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12I usually get dugg way down around here because of my conservative viewpoints. Having said that, I agree that Bush ranks among some of the worst Presidnts (including Clinton). I do agree with some of his actions such as tax cuts and judge appointments, but his PR ability, handling of Iraq, spending, and his kissing the ass of Mexico totally negates anything positive he has done imho.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12Wow I love how look at a couple indicators and conclude that Bush is doing well. Like the DOW? What the hell does that have to do with Bush? Those things are doing well DESPITE Bush, not because of him. And don't even begin to pretend that the housing market is doing well, if you really believe that, your argument has devoured itself.
Tax revenues are higher because inflation is higher (much higher), and because our economy has grown (slowly). Of course it's not nearly enough to cover our enormous debt we owe to communist countries like China. - jbschusty, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6WOW. Carter never had as high an approval rating as GWB, and actually hit a lower approval rating than GWB. And he's qualified to make that kind of statemtent? In what way? And was he including Truman? And, with Clinton's numbers being so 'plateaued' I don't know that approval rating means a damn thing. But here are the numbers anyway:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html - mirunit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"identifying Bush-sympathizers."
I think this thread personally serves to identify our zealous revisionist on digg who cannot comprehend or understand the past so they rewrite it. Such ignorance, it is really amazing but sad at the same time. -
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