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- BorsKaegel, on 02/13/2009, -2/+188Yes, but if you know my home address you still cannot see what I am doing in my house. This would akin to someone following you around, documenting everywhere you go.
- stoanhart, on 02/13/2009, -1/+171*****.
- Trifold, on 02/13/2009, -7/+111***** the whatever the Canadian version of the RIAA is called.
And while I'm on the subject, ***** the RIAA. - UltraDavid, on 02/14/2009, -3/+82Holy balls, can we stop sending internet-related court decisions to old people? This woman is a 1978 graduate of law school and worked in corporate, commercial land, and real estate law, do you think she has the first frickin idea of how anything on the internet works? This nonsense of making people who are obviously clueless about the internet make rules, treaties,judicial decisions, and statutes concerning it based on the advice of a few knowledgeable but interested parties like the police and the RIAA is really becoming a problem.
- nihalz, on 02/13/2009, -2/+70effin *****
- paretoj, on 02/14/2009, -4/+67Digg it, and tell others to digg it. It's too important.
- deadmoo, on 02/14/2009, -1/+61Yeah, IP =/= home address
Better analogy: IP == phone number (it is electronic communications)
You need a warrant to tap a phone, but getting ISP logs would be akin to getting a list of numbers you called. If they where capture packets, then you are talking warrant for sure.
I think people got this misconception due to the internet being referred to as cyberspace. People think it is a place you go. - kolobcreek, on 02/14/2009, -3/+49Why the ***** is your ISP KEEPING LOGS?
- SilverBlade2k, on 02/13/2009, -32/+67I don't know whether to digg this story because I'm Canadian, or bury because it's from MrBabyMan
- thenativeraver, on 02/14/2009, -2/+32It would be awesome if someone leaked the judge's logs on the internet.
- inactive, on 02/14/2009, -1/+27"IP addresses are akin to your home address, and therefore people have no expectation of privacy"
WTF??? - dandandantheman, on 02/14/2009, -2/+26If they can't come into my home without a warrant, why should they be able to see my activities online?
I disagree with his reasoning, since your home address is actually quite a private thing. What the ***** is he thinking? - LiquidSpark, on 02/14/2009, -1/+23Agreed. Getting a persons home address and putting cameras in their house are 2 very different things. I think this ruling, while well intentioned, goes over the line.
- almondfilter3, on 02/14/2009, -1/+21Yet, you still need a warrant if you want to know what goes on IN that home. Nice flawed logic.
- twiztidsinz, on 02/14/2009, -1/+19IP Addresses ARE like Home Addresses.
To get into them you need a warrant! - bender240, on 02/14/2009, -2/+20...and both the Liberal and Conservative parties of Canada are pushing for the "Modernization of Investigative Techniques Act": http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM ...
- AmazingSteve, on 02/14/2009, -1/+19I'd like to see them test that theory in the Supreme Court of Canada. I'm seeing this as the same thing as warrantless wiretapping and it wouldn't withstand a real legal challenge. They should probably realize that before they try to hinge a case on evidence obtained in this way or somebody's going to get thier asses handed to them in a spectacular and very public way.
- inactive, on 02/14/2009, -9/+26:: Sigh. ::
FTA: "Though it's clear that the ruling in the case (which is still ongoing) was made with good intentions, privacy advocates know what the road to hell is paved with. Critics fear that such a precedent could open the doors to police asking for information on all manner of Internet activities, ranging from the embarrassing to the questionable-but-legal, without judicial oversight."
To be honest, I kind of agree with this. I think a major issue here is that judges, and hell, politicians in general just don't understand the Internet. These guys are well meaning, well, some of them are, they just don't understand the ramifications of all this. We're living in a digital world and these guys are stuck in the past. This is especially true for the judges higher up in the court system. A lot of these guys started their careers thirty, forty years ago. And in that time the entire world has changed around them.
At the very least it seems like the intentions behind this ruling are good. They want to get child abusers and cut off the child pornography trade at its source.
'Course, anyone who understands the Internet knows that setting this precedent opens up a pretty scary can of worms, the problem is that these guys ... don't. They don't understand the Internet at all. And we probably won't get people this high up who truly DO understand the Internet for another forty years. By which time, who knows what the world may look like? - rayray14, on 02/14/2009, -2/+19Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA)
www.cira.ca - oathy, on 02/14/2009, -1/+18ISPs don't log what sites you go to, that's up to the sites themselves. More often than not child porn cases are cracked because of things like UseNet headers, chatroom logs (provided to authorities by the chat website), or other things like that.
That being said, ISPs do log which modem is using which IP at all times. So all the police need to do is find an IP and then your ISP can determine who was using it during a specific time period.
/works for an ISP - alappat1, on 02/14/2009, -0/+16yup, or like the police being able to checklist (Without a warrant) your contacts via mail, telephone , your mail subscriptions etc.
- Lifehedge, on 02/14/2009, -3/+19You're exactly the kind of useful idiot the government wants you to be. This is not about child pornography, requesting information in a criminal investigation is hardly a problem in any country, it's about integrity for average law-obiding citizens.
- ZincSaucier, on 02/14/2009, -0/+15IP addresses are akin to home addresses, but ***** I look at on my computer is akin to the things i decide to do inside my house with the doors shut
- sputza, on 02/14/2009, -0/+14You mean http://www.cria.ca/
www.cira.ca is for the Canadian Internet Registration Authority - AmazingSteve, on 02/14/2009, -1/+15It WILL happen. Somebody will give these ***** in object lesson on this subject. It's just too good an opportunity to pass up.
- DobermanN, on 02/14/2009, -2/+15I think too many of you are not understanding what the judge meant by logs. Its not activity logs the police is after, the law is pretty clear on this part, a warrant would be needed, What the police is after is subscriber information ie name and adress of the subscriber.
Does it bother you that much that the police is able to track your name be doing a reverse 411 look up on your phone number ?
The PIDEDA request is the same thing, reverse 411 lookup on your IP address. Except that even then, police needs to show just cause on the request, and the findings can be thrown out in court if its deemed that they didn`t have reasonable ground to ask for the subscriber name. - twiztidsinz, on 02/14/2009, -0/+11um... Stalking isn't illegal?
- fivefootfour, on 02/14/2009, -0/+11that's just fantastic. It's good to see Canadian lawmakers can be as shortsighted, unethical, and lazy as anyone else. I don't even have a Canada to threaten to move to...
- davebg8r, on 02/14/2009, -1/+11You know what the means judge? It means I can sit outside your house and eavesdrop through your window. Im just sitting right outside your window (ie your connection) listening to what you are doing. I am also starting into your windows its ok. After all, I can see in your house and your house is out in public.
- chicachoc, on 02/14/2009, -1/+11The most appropriate first comment I have seen in a while.
This is a perfect example of what happens when dinosaurs rule the country. - DirtyVicar, on 02/14/2009, -0/+7I guess Canada is trying to return to its Commonwealth roots, with the British police state and all.
- paulsabo, on 02/14/2009, -0/+7Appeal that *****
- Maged, on 02/14/2009, -1/+7Perhaps this judge should amend his ruling, because it's clearly being misinterpreted. The ISP logs he is referring to are the ones that track which subscriber was using what IP at a given time, NOT the activity logs (which most ISP's don't even have because of the extra burden it would put on their network). The content of these subscriber IP address logs ARE akin to a home address, in just about every way possible.
This is a non-story. Ars technica should be ashamed. - kd420, on 02/13/2009, -2/+8Luckily downloading music is still legal here (or at least not explicitly illegal). What I want to know is how the police found out about the child porn IP in the first place? Something like BitTorrent might makes IPs available, but I want to know how much "digging" the police are allowed to do for information. For example, if I was downloading music (assume it was illegal) what kind of methods can they use to find my IP? This raises lots of questions and blurs the lines of when the investigation is actually beginning. I certainly want to put all pedophiles in jail, but I don't want the police snooping on every Canadian just to do that.
- Zorkon, on 02/14/2009, -0/+6Time for some education folks.
The Superior Court of Ontario is a provincial court, not a federal one. That means that its decisions only affect the lower courts in the province of Ontario. So while this isn't a great thing for internet anonymity in Ontario, it does *not* apply to Canada in general, or more specifically, Canadians outside the province of Ontario.
The poster's summary of the issue is incorrect:
"This means that, in Canada, police can potentially request information from your ISP about online activities"
Wrong on two counts. First, the ruling had to do with IP addresses, not the actual activity conducted via those IP addresses. And secondly, only in Ontario. - Tyrghast, on 02/14/2009, -0/+6I love it when judges who know nothing about technology make rulings about it (see the recent Blizzard vs MDY rulings making EULA's legally binding on players)...
- crazlunatic, on 02/14/2009, -2/+8It's important because this is wrong and attention needs to be drawn to it. When you go out to the store or to a strip club, you don't leave behind your address. But everywhere you go on the internet, your IP is left behind unless you use something like Tor.
The Internet is exceptional and old laws need to be changed to fit this technology. I was happy Canada is more lax on copyright than the US but this is a step behind
On another note: I follow a couple of power users and I have to say a lot of great stories are not getting pushed to the front anymore because of this new algorithm... I don't like it - ricoboy24, on 02/14/2009, -2/+8CANADA, say good bye to your internet freedom FOREVER.
- inactive, on 02/14/2009, -0/+6From what I can gather, it seems they're able to go right to the source--directly contact your ISP to collect any information they might want or need.
- Jassman, on 02/14/2009, -7/+12Canada is just the bow of the Titanic known as the America, which has already struck the iceberg may I remind you.
Every year more laws that increase the drunken power-arm of the state and further painting us Canadians into a corner as we fight about stupid ***** like plastic bags here in Calgary for example. The problem is, each one of these stories in and of themselves are not enough to get outraged enough to do anything... But when you connect a bunch of these stories you see how intricate they are weaving the web around us.
February 12, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty calls for global banking body: http://www.infowars.com/canada-says-global-banking ...
November 2008: Canada Military Plan Could Place Troops in Each Other's Countries: http://www.infowars.com/us-canada-military-plan-co ...
New World Order here we come. Unless me and you decide to do something about it... - Travelsonic, on 02/14/2009, -1/+6*Yawn*
buried. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 02/14/2009, -1/+6Odds are the judge doesn't even know how to use a computer. They are THAT far behind the times I kid you not.
- twiztidsinz, on 02/14/2009, -9/+14How about you try this new concept:
USE YOUR ***** BRAIN!
Quit ejacking off "OMG BURIED CUZ IT IZ BY MR BABYMANZ!!!!", ignore the ***** submitters name and Digg or bury based on the -CONTENT-. - falstaff, on 02/14/2009, -0/+5Exactly. Even though my home address is public, that doesn't mean the cops get to open my mail.
- inactive, on 02/14/2009, -0/+5I dunno, from how crazy you sound merely in this I wouldn't believe you either. How is this pedophile harassing you?? It sounds like you're the one kind of going overboard and psycho.
- Travelsonic, on 02/14/2009, -0/+4"downloading music, movies games etc is ***** ILLEGAL, you can't spin it any other way. "
Yes I can:
Downloading movies, music, games, etc. is illegal when done without permission of the copyright holder when applicable...
Actually, that isn't spin, that's the way it works, considering the free (legally) music/movies./games out there.
YOU are the only one spinning things, get over yourself and practice what you preach. - GrooTheWanderer, on 02/14/2009, -0/+4Someone needs to walk into this judge's house and start snooping around - then when he complains, remind him that his home address is just like his IP address.
- theviceroy, on 02/14/2009, -1/+5Ya see an IP is like yer personal ticket that tells the tube conductors who you are when you zoom around in the tubes!
- Akiha_Tohno, on 02/14/2009, -0/+4Sorry to break it to you, but downloading music, movies, and games is LEGAL in Canada. It is not against the law to do so.
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