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- apocalizer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45We've tried that before in 1812, and we got our asses kicked.
- b403, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36Great.. we've already won countless times in numerous courts, to no avail.
WHEN ARE WE GETTING OUR MONEY BACK, EH? - K.Restoule, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Too bad that the U.S. will continue to ignore the ruling, just like it did with the NAFTA ruling.
- spinalcracker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28You must not need your money either then. Canadian Lumber is far cheaper and is usually superiorly made. And you might as well ask for no Canadian water, oil, fish, beef, grain, alcohol or any of the other items we pump across the border every single day at far far lower margins than what you charge us for cars or your ignorant tourists.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Damn straight. We'll burn down the whitehouse again if we have to. ;-)
- oirvine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I bet you also didn't know that Canada is the largest foreign supplier of crude oil to the U.S.
- DarthDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@Otto says..."Huh. I didn't even know we imported wood from Canada.
Well, now I know to ask for American product when I buy lumber. I don't need no stinkin' foreign wood! :)"
You make Americans look ignorant. Keep up the good work. :-) - suderman, on 09/09/2008, -2/+15Seal the border? Riiight, our lumber industry would LOVE that. They hate having customers.
- JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13That's what you've been getting lately, with an extra $2000 to $2500 cost per home, and lower quality wood.
Enjoy. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Apparently everyone intelligent does. Considering the volume of trade going back and forth over our border ($1 billion per day, I do believe) I'd say it's pretty important for us to listen to what each other has to say.
- gDubz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It'll have to go to the Supreme Court before the current administration will pay up.
Heh, over $6 billion plus interest.That'd be a nice win. - ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18Time to seal the border and to stop handing them our natural resources.
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9US needs us (Canada) quite a bit, where do you think the US gets most of its sweet, sweet oil? The Middle East? nah
- suderman, on 09/09/2008, -2/+8@apocalizer
I've seen the little pie chart on the Canadian pump. Just looks like it's heavily taxed if you ask me. - marillion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It works both ways. Canada is the biggest source of foreign oil in the US.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Just about everything labelled "made in the USA" is made of Canadian materials. We're your biggest supply of raw materials.
- goahard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I fear for our water...
- JMJimmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4These America vs Canada things are hilarious - we just hate to admit we need eachother equally. In different ways, but equally.
Canada needs the US for the massive boost to our GDP
US needs Canada for the massive amounts of energy/oil/etc
It all balances out in the end.
As a Canadian I don't like the policies of the US gov - the people are great. Of course I think the same of my governement currently - hrm... I'm sensing a theme. - fuzzball963, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I hope this time the US actually complies with the deadline. If we're going to have NAFTA and whatnot with closer ties between the two countries it would seem to me that you would abide by NAFTA's ruling. Yes I realize that the government claims it's protecting US interests but the whole point of NAFTA was to abolish taxes like this and end that type of protection.
Being protectionist like that doesn't quite seem to fit with the whole Security and Prosperity Partnership thing the 3 leaders have been pushing. Or with moving towards unified North America. Nothing like that will ever happen so long as the US insists on protecting its own industries and not letting competition in.
Maybe continued exposure to Canada will bring some sanity back to my country :). - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't forget hiring American defense corporation Lockheed Martin to build a computer infrastructure for this year Census! Because Canada is incapable of building computers that know how to count!
- oirvine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@apocalizer
As for the price, why the hell should I know? My bet is that gas is taxed at a higher rate here.
And the US exports less oil then Canada does. So you can't "say the same abour the U.S. exporting oil as well"
Did I hit a nerve or something? - allhard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Otto
Wow, you are ALMOST as bad as Fox. - apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I agree with you to a point, I don't think its as simple as letting ourselves get screwed over. Fact is that the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world, and to say there is a strong interdependancy is an understatement, with the U.S. being in the better position. The image its government (not just the current one, but traditionally) likes to project is one of morality, superiority, fairness and justice however in truth, the rules only apply when it suits U.S. interests.
Our natural resources are the source of our power when it comes to dealing with the U.S., but we're not yet in a position to really play hard ball. In time that will change though, and either the U.S. will have to play by its own rules or this sort of thing will escalate into a very unfriendly conflict.
Some of the responses here are sad though, I mean.. the U.S. is ripping Canada off. That is fact. Whether you think it should get away with it is another story, however some people actually take the attitude of "how dare they?" when it comes to Canada trying to get what is admittedly DUE. That just blows me away. - nikkesen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4No it's not. Harper sold us out and Canada is still out 1 billion because of his snivelling policies. This key ruling means squat.
- SparQy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Note really big news... Canada has been winning "key" rulings all along the process. Doesn't really matter as long as Canada needs US more the US needs Canada. And now that we have Harper (aka Mini-W) in power, we can expect to see an unfair agreement inked sooner than later.
- lahar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We also have a whole ***** of trees. A lot more than the United States does, even including Alaska.
- suderman, on 09/09/2008, -2/+4And yet, Harper's approval ratings continue to rise. Could it be that you and other like-minded people are now the ones who out of step with the rest of Canada?
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3sudermania: Where to begin? Harper is doing a lot popular things on the surface, some of which were actually even planned by the Liberal government and he is just following through on.
With the way the Liberal government was scandalized and made out to be so terrible despite Canada being in the best shape its ever been and our standard of life being continually improved, all Harper needs to do now is not royally f*** up to stay in office. Must be nice to be in that position!
Also, what does it matter if his opinions are "out of step" with the rest of Canada? They are still just as valid. Are you implying that because the popular opinion is one thing, we all must be sheeple and fall in line, or else our opinions are worthless? Surely you would agree that one beautiful thing about Canadian politics is how there really is the potential for change, there really are choices when it comes to our elected officials, and we are not living in an environment where opinions are repressed or shamed for being different from the standard.
'Everyone thinks so' is the worst possible reason to believe something or in someone. - CNAIF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"spinalcracker:
Superiorly made?
Back that up, please."
A more correct statement would be superiorly GROWN. Due to the longer winters and colder temperature the growth rings are closer together which results in a superior strength. Also Canada has a wider variety of species due to differing weather. Some of these species are catagorized the same, i.e. S-P-F spruce pine fir , when being sold. - apocalizer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6@oirvine:
Why is your country shipping oil to the U.S. when Canadian gas prices are the U.S. equivalent of about $4 a gallon? (You could also say the same about the U.S. exporting oil as well--WTF?) - baroing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Woopie! Too bad in the 'deal' we signed, Canada doesn't get the full amount of duties back...~$1.7 billion stay in the US to (get this) help the companies pay their legal costs..
Only in Canada.....Man, we are the world's biggest pussies...
Not only has every trade tribunal, including this recent American one, said that the US is in the wrong for imposing contervailing duties and Canada is in the right...we STILL let ourselves get f'd over...
just like that MMX gas additive which is a known carcinogen but we were beholden to sell in Canada because of NAFTA....grrrrrr....
Oh well, maybe one day the canadian gov. will grow a pair, and decide to play hardball....shut off the power, water and lumber exports and see who really 'needs' each other the most?
To quote Mendellson Joe, "the thing I'll miss most about canada is the apathy"...
hehe, softwood...literally and figuratively... - cheesehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@sudermania "And yet, Harper's approval ratings continue to rise."???
You believe in polls? What other fairy tales do you subscribe to?
Do you recall pollster Angus Reid predicting Kim Campbell would be elected Prime Minister of Canada by a 44% margin?
This poll was released in the media just before the election where Kim and the Conservatives were completely blown out of the water
The universal problem in western countries, is that the the big money just gives more money to the party which kisses their assets best.
Last I heard Kim was cleaning up in some gravy appointment position in America. Mulrooney hasn't done too badly either. - Yage2006, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Too bad big mucho's comment is how pretty much most other countries see you as :(
- suderman, on 09/09/2008, -3/+2@apetrie:
Regarding Canadian politics, I don't see as many choices as you may see. Of the four major parties, three are left-leaning, one of which is the Quebec separation party who doesn't apply to most of us anyway. I'm really amazed to see you defend the Liberal party. I can understand left-wingers switching their vote to the NDP, but the amount of support the Liberal party still had leaves me wondering what crime it would take before something would be done about it.
BTW, the "out of step" comment was a play on when (former) Liberal Carolyn Parish said the Americans are out of step with the rest of the world. And so I agree, "everyone thinks so" can be a terrible argument. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1So now having a differnent latitude means its superiorly grown?
How about "having a different structure due entirely to where it happens to be planted".
Superiorly grown implies is has something to do with how you tend it. - cheesehead, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3
Don't worry America. It doesn't matter how many court rulings we Canadians win, our new puppet leader "Steve" Harper is totally committed to selling us down the river.
He's bailed on Kyoto, diverted funds from our health care system to buy weapons to fight your war in Afghanistan and now he's singing with the Bush choir on "Israel's right to defend itself "
I believe next on his "harmonizing" (spelled suckhole) agenda, is the drafting of legislation to spy on Canadian's internet use.
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Softwood.
- wonkavsn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@ SparQy/nikkesen
You kids need to grow up and learn a thing or two about politics.
The majority of Harper's plans and actions have been quite favorable. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4spinalcracker:
Superiorly made?
Back that up, please.
And I'd love to hear about the amount of grain you ship over the border. I know about fish and all, but we grow so much grain (all kinds of grains) that we don't even have use for all that we grow, let alone more from Canada.
And I'm pretty sure no significant amount of water is shipped over the border. We steal it directly out of the Great Lakes. We've even considered hooking lake Michigan into the Illinois (Mississippi) river in order to make stealing the water even easier.
I appreciate how much Canada does for the US. But I don't appreciate when people exaggerate it. - BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3What border? Ever heard of NAFTA or SPP?
- macromind, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4In a few years, you wont have any wood left! We will just wait until you beg us for wood to fix your house after all the tornado and get our money back! I am sure it will also happen for electricity, oil, water, etc... Maybe the American will just invade us... much simpler!
- BigMucho, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3Big news!
- apocalizer, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2At least we wouldn't have to worry about our landfills getting filled with Canadian trash. Besides, I doubt that Canada would need to import trees.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -20/+1Bah. As if anybody gives a damn what Canadians think.
- elebrio, on 10/12/2007, -29/+2Sell it to someone else and you can get your alleged full price.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -34/+3Huh. I didn't even know we imported wood from Canada.
Well, now I know to ask for American product when I buy lumber. I don't need no stinkin' foreign wood! :) - BigMucho, on 10/12/2007, -35/+2Can anyone say "time for a 51st State"?
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