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- trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+90It's a sad day when the National Archives has to turns into a check and balence system against the white house.
Very good response. - Shigatsu, on 10/11/2007, -5/+47Great.. till he calls the bluff, I'm sure the billions of dollars from haliburton could cover his last year.. meanwhile, that sure beats the defunding he'd get if he released the secret documents that tell of his treasons.
***** defunding, Freedom of Information must prevail. The white house is the best at playing chicken with the houses. - cutesegirl, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40America is in denial. Democracy and Freedom is over as we once knew it. Where the heck is Rambo when we need him.
- drunkentoad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40"Forget the fact that the Constitution clearly defines the vice presidency as an executive position."
Since when has Cheney ever regarded the constitution anyways? - rald84, on 10/11/2007, -1/+39since he's not part of the executive branch, evict him and make him pay back the salary the american public supplied.
- captinherb, on 10/11/2007, -4/+41The shame is that congress won't do anything. The Democrats came into power in the House and Senate promising big changes but have done nothing other than a little saber rattling. Even with the time table tied to the war appropriation bill they quickly scuttled the time table under the slightest pressure from Bush and Co.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+33You forget that the Office of the Vice President is now part of the dictator branch.
Oh and by the way they cut down the rest of the tree, haliburton needed the paper. - tuckerleary, on 10/11/2007, -4/+29lets take every defibrillator out of his building...
- InetRoadkill, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Cheney keeps treating the office of VP like it's his personal property and as such believes it is not subject to the rules of law or any oversight. I like the idea of cutting his funding. If he thinks the office of VP belongs to him, let him finance it out of his own pocket.
- n0xz, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24***** Cheney!! We should impeach him and Bush for war crimes !!
- CursorTN, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19Daaaaaaaamn straight! Aren't real conservatives (not the current lot of Republicans in the White House) all about getting rid of waste in government to balance the budget? Get rid of this out-of-touch blowhard by using his own words against him. Rumsfeld best SecDef ever? 9/11-Iraq connection? Supporting your party against your family? Family values indeed.
VP not part of the executive branch... This is right up there with Clinton's "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is." - zephc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15I'm truly amazed anyone is defending Cheney. Does you folks defending him think he's a Great Guy, do you have financial ties, or do you just like to troll? Please answer in 100 words or more.
- GeezerD, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11dude,
look at chaney's record. look at the constitution. - FredoBerfil, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I love this.
The question is, will the Republicans go along with this? - jwolcott, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9If the Constitution clearly defines the vice presidency as an executive position, as this article claims, then where is Cheney's arguement? Shouldn't be hard to debunk his claim in court.
- SigmundDali, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I keep hearing this "Cheney doesn't need the money" argument repeatedly, but I don't think you people get it.
It's not that he needs the money. His OFFICE needs the money. The Office of the Vice President has to have money to pay salaries, buy supplies, produce documents, etc etc. It's as if all the revenue to some company gets cut off. The executives aren't going to hurt, they already have the money. However, the productivity of the office grinds to a halt as copy paper runs out, electricity gets cut out, etc.
Quite frankly, it's the smartest and most productive thing the Congress could do to STOP the drudge of this administration from inflicting more problems. Right now, the OVP is the chief proponent of bombing Iran. It's hard to convince the rest of the administration its a good idea if you can't make reports and memos or pay underlings to make Powerpoints all day. As the recent Washington Post articles are showing, Cheney's office, particularly his legal counsel, Addington, were the chief proponents of torture. If you cut out people like Addington from government, the situation would get better, quickly.
Plus, it's a win win for the Democrats. I doubt the public would have much compassion for Mr. 60% disapproval. - relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -0/+8I can tell you don't like Rep. Emanuel. That doesn't invalidate the fact that the Vice President has repeatedly chose to ignore the law and report his office records to the National Archives as that law holds him to do as part of the executive branch of the federal government.
Let's keep the focus on the story, now. - S4MF1SHER, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8You know, I read the article a few times and every time I read Cheney's assertion that he somehow, doesn't answer to anyone, I makes my head hurt. Seriously, I think all of the heart surgeries he's had have somehow blocked oxygenated blood to his brain causing the superiority complex of a 5 year old.
Keep telling yourself: One more year, one more year.... - CanadianGuy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8He and George Bush should be tried for war crimes!!!!!
- ephesus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8But don't you see, if you propose to rescind Cheney's funding, the terrorists win!
- zephc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"The Office of the Vice President has to have money to pay salaries, buy supplies, PRODUCE DOCUMENTS, etc etc."
Yes, that's a novel idea, producing documents instead of destroying them. - jellygraph, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Lets do it... please just do _something_
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -0/+6@CourtesyFlush:
Do you think that perhaps there's a reason so many people are angry at him? Do you think there's a valid reason behind why he has the lowest approval rating in the federal government?
Anyone can point their finger at the MSM and go "lol propaganda" like you do, but at the end of the day I think these things happen for a reason that's sensible and grounded in reality. - zephc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7American towel? Eating dinner on the kitchen floor? "random" indeed
- scudshooter, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I guess he wants to take over the nickname 'Tricky Dick'.
- Hortnon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I think that Cheney is doing something illegal and something should be done. And while I believe this is a good idea on paper, it will never get passed or go anywhere meaningful.
This shouldn't be a partisan issue. That's why I know nothing will get done, because people are making it a partisan issue. It will turn into a grab for political power, and then will be forgotten, like so many other things Congress has promised over the last 20 years, both Democrat and Republican. - gak001, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I second the motion - defund the Office of the Vice President of the United States. Shall we put it to a vote? All in favor say "aye." All opposed say "Death to the Infidels!"
- jdelsman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Do it!
- 1of42, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7He's obviously part of the Executive. I mean, it's not even worth debating. The funding thing works like this: the President of the Senate requires only minimal funding to perform his/her tasks. So if that's what Cheney is claiming to be (in an obvious move to prevent oversight), let him have what he wants, and reduce his funding commensurate with his change of office status. It's not "be in the Executive or not be funded", it's "be in the Executive or lose your Executive funding", which is perfectly fair. If he's not part of the Exec, why should he be funded as if he is?
Anyways, I'm not going to get all huffy about Cheney, but I think this particular issue is pretty clear-cut. - akatherder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Well, do you think Cheney is a member of the executive branch and should be subject to the Archiving procedures?
- UncleBadTouch, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Thats the right move for the situation. Take away the one thing that makes his world go round.
- lordmike, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Rahm Emmanuel must be taking his immodium or metamucil... if there is a Democrat who was truly afraid to take a stand, it is he... This is a big surprise coming from him... hopefully, he's had an epiphany and realizes that being Republican-Lite is a loser's path.
- aburrido, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It's in Article II of the Constitution, which is entitled "The Executive Branch." Personally, I think the fact that the president and vice president are elected by the electoral college (much unlike the legislative branch) and that fact that historically the presidential candidate that was runner up in the presidential election became the vice president are pretty clear indications that the vice president is part of the executive branch. Not to mention the order of succession...
- fanclerks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5They're not saying he shouldn't get funding. They're saying that as he believe he isn't part of the Executive branch, then he shouldn't get funding from the Executive budget. The problem is, which branch is he a part of? There are only 3 and he seems to think he's a part of none of them.
- StrangeFamous, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5You still didn't answer akatherder's question, leaving me with no choice but to not take you seriously. If you want to actually accomplish something other than contributing to the degradation of political discussion on Digg, then take a stance and defend it. Don't just throw around words like "liberal moonbats" to get people angry.
- pesh2000, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5p51d007, I voted for Bush in 2000. I am digging you down for implying that just because some isn't stupid enough to continue support for this ***** administration, than means that they are a "close minded liberal". Morons like you should gtfo of the GOP so actual conservatives can go back. Move to some arab dictatorship you'll fit right in.
- ren1999, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5We can't afford to wait one more year. Cheney is a lose cannon. We need to impeach and prosecute him right now.
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"The Democrats came into power in the House and Senate promising big changes but have done nothing other than a little saber rattling. Even "
The GOP is stonewalling the whole Federal Government in order to prevent the Democrats from being effective.
The Democrats *STILL* dont have enough seats in the two houes to act decisively -- they need RESPONSIBLE and sensible behaviour from the GOP -- and the crooks are fighting every single thing tooth and nail.
Bush and Cheney are criminals, and the rank-and-file GOP MEMBERSHIP must stop shielding them. The Democrats are doing everything legally possible (save stopping the government all-together with fillibusters etc) to stop them. - diggity_dank, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I don't know about the others but JamesSpaza seems to be the digg right-wing nut job du jour.
- dogster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Waterboard Cheney !!!
- kingkilr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5If cheneys office couldn't afford to do anything that would be A, ok with me, Major Props to my congressmen!
- anonymuse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Just to extend clarity, Article I is all about the House and Senate. Article II begins thusly:
"Article II
Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:" - Yamoth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5They don't have enough people to over-rule the president or go up against the filibuster. So while one could say the Democrats is more powerful and could keep the president on check. It is still very foolish to say that the Democrats came to power.
- Fr0stbyte124, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It shouldn't matter whether he is sincere or not. It's a good idea and bound to come up again for the next White House budget review.
- one2gamble, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Someone should take him hunting.....
- diggity_dank, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Why is there one right-wing moron in every thread who has to say "digging me down proves my point'?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Hey, there's an easy explanation. Alien mind parasites long ago took over the president and vice president. Now they have nothing but contempt for ***** sapiens. Once the climate has been warmed up enough, they'll burst out of their shells and roam the earth. Say, what was IN my coffee this morning? Damn.
Actually, if you've ever read Robert Heinlein's The Puppet Masters, this seems credible. - Ricky8765, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Random4, leave your other-worldly figures of speech out of Digg... (I can't imagine those terms came from this planet)
- MDrake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Moving to Europe.
- sonicanatidae, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Don't you see? This is not the best thing that could have happened. Why should Cheney dictate his position in govt.?
The Constitution clearly defines his office as a member of the Executive Branch. There is no wiggle room here. By "calling his bluff" and changing his his funding they are allowing him to dictate his own position and STILL not give over the documents that started all of this.
This is not the place or time to end his funding. This is the place and time where the Senate sends law enforcement over to the White House. Cheney is directly contradicting the Constitution and ending his funding is not the way to solve the problem. He either comes into compliance with the LAW and the CONSTITUTION or he vacates the spot. -
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