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- incongruity, on 07/16/2008, -4/+223Seriously. This has to stop.
The problem here is that without transparency in government and law enforcement, it's absolutely impossible to tell if the TSA is telling the truth or not. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I find it really hard to do so when there's no way to back up that initial gift of faith... To quote the late President Reagan, "trust, but verify".
That verification is critical for an open society -- we need to have faith in our government. If the people don't trust the government, that government becomes less and less efficient and effective and will likely turn more and more authoritarian in order to make up for that lost efficacy... and down we all go. - principle, on 07/16/2008, -8/+219For now, the watch list is only used for annoying people. However, we all know that this isn’t going to last. That eventually it will be twisted into the blacklist of the McCarthy era.
- laubscher, on 07/17/2008, -2/+148Balls to the watchlist, just put him in jail. He's obviously guilty of thoughtcrime.
- 8347, on 07/17/2008, -1/+105I'd like to say that the TSA is completely corrupt and incompetent. But I don't want to be put on the no fly list. So I won't.
- ordig, on 07/17/2008, -1/+77Wow. I can't believe they can get away with that. It's so transparently corrupt.
- austang, on 07/17/2008, -0/+66hello patriot act...
....goodbye constituion/freedom/speech
at least we'll get those "Terrorists" with "weapons of mass destruction" though. - qdkk, on 07/16/2008, -5/+66So another witch hunt begins under Bush and republican nurturing. Soon this little presidential policy will be all grown up into a full fledged fascism.
- mCanada, on 07/17/2008, -1/+52250 million / 1 million = 1 in 250 people in the USA are now terrorists! My god they're everywhere! If only the government could now find a way to jail ~1% of the population!! - oh wait, they already have :(
- NotDennis, on 07/17/2008, -1/+49Nice to see the gestapo in action.
- RedCt, on 07/17/2008, -1/+45I'd like to point out that this is the same list that Ted Kennedy (the senator!) got on and it took him THREE WEEKS to get off of it, even after directly talking to the head of Homeland Security. And they expect us to be able to do something about it?
- variablek, on 07/17/2008, -1/+42Over one million possible terrorists flying on our airlines? Give me a ***** break. That list has gotten so bloated, the chances for keeping an eye on any real threat just keeps getting slimmer. Good job bureaucrats, you never cease to amaze.
- phillykid162, on 07/17/2008, -3/+44Guess who's not on it? Osama
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -6/+38Where can I sign up to get on the list? I'll take a short cut, parse this string NSA: "I WANT TO KILL THE PRESIDENT"
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -2/+32I just downloaded and watched the History Channels feature on the American Revolution from iTunes. I went on to re-read the Declaration of Independence, and what is most horrifying is that our country is now implementing laws that we based our Independence against Great Briton.
*****. - crapmatic, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2600000001 Gilbert Gottfried
00000002 MC Hammer
00000003 Kevin Ros^H^H$(#(
Hang on, I'm having trouble reading the file... let me buff the CD and I'll try reposting. - noamchomskeet, on 07/17/2008, -0/+24I like all those people who say, well it's great to have a list for people to watch out for, if you are innocent you have nothing to worry about. Well what will they say when there is a list for people who can live in cities, or a list for people who can own computers, or go on the internet, or check out books. What will they fear then? None of this ***** makes us safer, it just makes us for fearful and conforming.
- gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -3/+27So it can now just be used as a ***** list by TSA employees? "What did you say about us!? Oh you are so on the list buddy!". Gotta love Washington *republicans and democrats* saving us all one wasteful government program at a time!
- uptown, on 07/17/2008, -0/+23When asked to comply with a physical search, all MC Hammer would said was "You can't touch this".
Landed him right on the list. - digggggggggg, on 07/17/2008, -1/+20This is probably the most naive system I have ever seen. From what I hear, it basically matches the names of the travelers to the names in their list, because we all know how foolproof _names_ can be.
This completely fails to account for the number of weak links there are. Is it completely unthinkable for someone to use, oh I dunno, a fake ID? Or, how about those workers who match ID's with tickets before you go into the line? What if they mess up? Finally, what about all those people with the same names? According to the phone book, in my city alone, there are 8 people with the exact same name as me. I can only hope that none of them do anything to get themselves flagged.
The whole jumbled mess is just mind boggling. - PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+18begins?
Try continues, advances, marches on. - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -2/+20"Gulag Archipelago"
Inform yourself. - eelojaan, on 07/17/2008, -1/+19Nelson Mandela was apparently on the list. Ridiculous.
- nick1971, on 07/17/2008, -0/+18You almost have adolescent fascism. Germany needed a terrorist act, a set of laws similar to the patriot act to allow the 1st concentration camp to be build at Dachau. This was a prison where "suspected terrorists" could be held without trial for an unlimited period of time.
1st it was the communists (they were the terrorists)
then the political dissidents
then the political opposition.
then why do you need elections when there is only one party
the rest of the shameful story you know.
"Luckily" you are only at the stage of sticking suspected terrorists (nice broad definition) without due process in a concentration camp for an unlimited amount of time.
God I hope you turn back. - WoollyMittens, on 07/17/2008, -0/+18Halt! Hammerzeit!
- Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -2/+19Joe McCarthy's blacklist had just over 50 names on it.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -1/+17Hangly, believe me, they really do give a ***** about EVERY threat against the President.
I see Uniformed Secret Service officers parked in front of high level government officials' and diplomats' homes all around Mclean. Up until about 2006, they had a guy sitting in a car on every street corner for several blocks surrounding the white house.
They have the manpower. And they are charged with the President's safety.
*****, a guy in Sacramento CA was indicted for sending an email that said "187 for George Bush" (187 being the CA penal code section for murder)
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/cae/press_releases/docs/ ... - Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -1/+16Hogwash. TSA tells you when you're on the list. I know several people who have been so informed.
- niczar, on 07/17/2008, -1/+16Who should we believe? The Bush administration, or our lying eyes?
- Dumbledorito, on 07/17/2008, -1/+16They can overturn a Bush veto without some of the loyal Bushies actually turning on their dear leder?
Nope. - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+15always question the government. always.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+14The government barely even acknowledges that it exists.
They certainly are not going to publish it anywhere.
I can only guess one of the rallying cries in neocon circles is "BOO sunshine laws! Screw democracy!" - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -2/+16I feel safer now...
- PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -1/+14You are either misinformed, or trying to twist words to support your presupposed reality.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/06/no.fly.lawsuit/
"Administered by airlines since November 2001, the "no-fly" list has resulted in routine stops of passengers without terrorist ties who "have no meaningful opportunity to clear their names," said the complaint filed by the American Civil Liberties Union." -- which means it is up to the Airlines to ACT upon the list, by denying people the right to fly.
HOWEVER....
"The TSA compiles the list with data supplied by the FBI, CIA and the government's terrorist screening center.
The "no-fly" list is one of two the TSA maintains. The other is the "selectee" list. Those on the "no-fly" list are not allowed to board a commercial aircraft. Those on the "selectee" list must go through more extensive screening before boarding." -- If the TSA compiles the list, I'm pretty sure they have access to modify, add or delete names.
But if it helps you to sleep at night by thinking it is those big bad evil airlines or whatever, so be it. We can't reason with everybody. - JeremyK684, on 07/17/2008, -3/+16***** the TSA.
(i hope this comment won't make them add me on the list lol) - cyclades, on 07/17/2008, -0/+13It began a long freakin' time ago.
- NomortaL1, on 07/17/2008, -4/+17can i see the actual list? does anyone have the link?
- palewook, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12eventually the whole country will be on the list.
- Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12At least the Gestapo was physically fit and wore snappy uniforms.
- WoollyMittens, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13Let's see if you'll be laughing when the USA forces the European union and Canada to adopt their insane rules and lists.
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -2/+14Eh, it just confirms that the old stereotypes are just as true as they ever were - the Republicans are evil, and the Democrats are mind-bogglingly incompetent. When it all comes down to it, it's basically down to who would you rather have in power, Darth Vader or Jar Jar Binks?
- PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13Well, we don't actually know. He might be.
But we do know that on the FBI's most wanted list, he isn't even accused of 9/11 for some reason.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.h ...
"Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world." - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11Wow, you didn't even bother to read your own source thoroughly. WOW. That's an entirely new level of idiocy.
- nick1971, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11It also adds to the whole tourist experience which we now have when visiting the US. After passing through the list and the questions you have the honor of standing in a line for a good part of an hour to arrive at a desk where you are photographed and fingerprinted.Bar-coding on the arm doesn't happen yet but....
Makes you feel real welcome. - Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12This weekend there's a terror watch list party. There will be beer and strippers. Gore Vidal, Ron Paul and zombie George Carlin will be attending.
If you're not on the list yet, you're not cool enough to come. - spyd3rweb, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11The list should only be for people wanted for a crime that has already been committed, you know people with arrest warrants and such. This 'suspected' terrorist ***** has to go.
- HMMcKamikaze, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11Hello Big Brother.
Oh my, how prophetic George Orwell was. - dagnome1984, on 07/17/2008, -1/+11"we need to have faith in our government"
Government seems to have become the new religion for people :P - paraforce, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10A phonebook which grants the government the right to violate the rights of anyone whose name is in it...
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10And were efficient. I can tell you, they didn't buy their toilet paper from Halliburton for $500 a roll.
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