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- rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -34/+639Watch the video segment via the link in that post and decide for yourself. And then contact CNN to complain:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?11
Imagine a segment about discrimination against blacks that included only whites, saying "they should just shut up", and "They are on the attack. It's obnoxious and they do need to shut up..." and "I think they need to shut up about crying wolf all the time and saying that they're being imposed upon." (direct quotes from the panel)
Imagine a segment about antisemitism that included no Jews, with panelists saying "That's the one reason our country has not become like Europe because we have strong Christians and because Jews are not strong" (that is a direct quote from the panel with the word "atheists" replaced with "Jews").
Imagine a segment about anti Muslim sentiment in the US, with no Muslims on the panel, saying "They don't have a good - marketing. If they had hallmark cards, maybe they wouldn't feel so left out." (Direct quote from the panel).
Not to mention the giant banner behind the whole thing accusing us of "inspiring hatred".
*****. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -40/+350How I would have loved to see Dawkins there...
- smoothmedia, on 10/12/2007, -15/+275@lukas88
Hate speech is hate speech. The difference is that an atheist posting a hate speech about a religion to youtube is putting his views out in the open for all to see, while others are free to defend, attack, debunk, or denounce his claims. A video posted on youtube has little influence over the general public. What CNN did here was promote hate-speech of a group of people based on their (lack of) religion, and did so on a national stage! Most wouldn't have a problem with this piece had CNN used a balanced panel of theists and atheists, even if the theists comments were identical. The opportunity for the general public to see the atheists defend their beliefs is what's missing.
Secondly, real atheism has nothing to do with faith at all. Of course it does SEEM that believing that a god does not exist when he cannot be disproven is taking a leap of faith. However, virtually all atheists (Dawkins included) know that there is at least the possibility that god exists. We also know that there is a possibility that the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Unicorns, and Gremlins exist. We simply do not believe that they do, due to lack of evidence. Atheists CONCLUDE that God does not exist based on all available evidence, we do not have to BELIEVE.
Your claim that "many people of faith have learned to live with and respect other faiths" is true, but of course, many atheists have learned to live with people of faith as well. Many theists have also failed to make any effort at all to tolerate people with differing religious views. Should atheists "respect" theistic views? Well, atheists should respect the RIGHT of a person to hold such views, but there is no requirement to respect the views themselves.
Let's say that my friend reveals to me that he believes that only the white race is pure and people of other races should be exterminated. I have no obligation to respect these beliefs, since I believe that they are not only incorrect, but immoral and potentially damaging to society. I can't however, say that he does not have the right to have those beliefs. Why would an Atheist have to respect a belief system that in his view is incorrect, obstructs scientific progress and is potentially harmful to society? The difference here is that religion, unlike any other kind of belief, is taboo to criticize. A person who discriminates against blacks will have his beliefs challenged in the public square, while a person who discriminates against gays gets a free pass so long as he does so in the name of some deity or religious faith. As Dick Cheney says...."that's hogwash". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+259How the ***** can you compare Youtube to CNN, Lukas? One of them is a video site and the other one is a multinational news outlet. You're either a ***** moron or a troll. Most likely both.
- UglieJosh, on 10/12/2007, -16/+245(((HUNTER: What does an atheist believe? Nothing. I think this is such a ridiculous story. Are we now going to take "In God We Trust" off of our dollars? Are we going to not say "one nation under God?" When does it end?)))
In God we Trust was not originally on the dollar. Under God was added to the pledge YEARS after it was written..............
What an ignorant *****. - Julolidine, on 10/12/2007, -30/+253I find it disturbing that most of America would not vote for an atheist, no matter their personal accomplishments or qualifications. I think the stats were something in the low teens would even consider voting for an atheist....and 20% or so would consider voting for a Muslim.
If seriously people believe that God would help you make the proper choices - well just look at the current presidency. I think a monkey throwing darts at a board probably would have made better decisions on average. - z00k, on 10/12/2007, -22/+193Such a ridiculous video... Pisses the hell out of me.
- BHRecon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+173"The Babel fish," said The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish."
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God."
"The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'"
"'But,' says Man, 'The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'"
"'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic." - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. - AniceAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -15/+162Below is the complaint I just sent to them:
Your network ran a piece on Atheism called "Out in the Open" with Paula Zhan.
I want to inform you that like many fellow FreeThinkers that you have shown yourselves to be just another propagandizing news channel. You set up a debate of 'experts' to discuss the merits of atheism without any atheist in attendance! Then Karen Hunter (a panelist) says that Atheists should "shut up and let people do what they do. No, I think they need to shut up about it.". That they should "shut up about crying wolf all the time and saying that they're being imposed upon.".
Another panelists Debbie Schlusse makes prejudicial statements like "That's the one reason our country has not become like Europe because we have strong Christians and because atheists are not strong. And I think that's a good thing." and your organization has no one to rebuke their comments. If you would replace Atheist with African-American or with Muslim you would never even have allowed such a conversation to have been broadcast! You are thereby condoning what they have said, and in showing your true colors have lost a long-time viewer. Luckily in our day of Internet and Satellite TV I have a multitude of international news channels that are not biased hate spewing channels such as yours. You might as well start using "Fair and Balanced" as well. Good Day. - DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+135It's sad when the person that makes the most sense in that "panel" is a man who covers the NBA for ESPN.
I am Christian myself. I think that the majority of people in the country are Christian. However, I have friends who are Atheist and I have no problem with it. What happened to the people profiled in the 1st part is wrong, and the two women who were guests misguided the discussion away from the true goal of it. - AtheistAcolyte, on 10/12/2007, -4/+118Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed 1796:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
This was passed unanimously by the United States Senate, and signed by Pres. George Washington without a hint of discontent. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -47/+151Elitism isn't always unwarranted...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+103I had no idea how religious the USA is. I thought it would be roughly comparable to the UK. How wrong I was!
- Arahka, on 10/12/2007, -5/+92Where in the constituition does it say that the United States is to be specifically a Christian country. Where was it decreed that we are Christian? I see a lot about freedom of religion but nothing about Christianity inparticular. Our founding fathers were not all Christians. Thomas Jefferson for one was a seeker of religion and towards the end of his life did a lot toward establishing the Unitarian Universalist religion. This ***** just pisses me off. I think we're a secular country. That people can have their religion but it can not be imposed upon people. Where do these ***** get off imposing Christianity, or imposing that you have to believe in a religion founded descended from Abraham (islam, judism, christianity) or you just don't count. If you believe that all religion is ***** that's your choice too. Why can't we be a secular society? What's so wrong with that? You want your children to be moral and pray? Well spend some time with them, teach them that. Don't depend on the schools for that part of their education, or send them to a Catholic or other private school.
I need to move to europe. - AtheistAcolyte, on 10/12/2007, -6/+85Here's my response to them:
You recently ran a piece regarding discrimination in America against atheists, and I was horrified to see the panel discussion following the initial interview portion. Particularly, there was no atheist representation in the panel, so there was no counterpoint to how atheists in America feel discriminated against. I suggest you follow up on the many stories of discrimination that you yourselves allude to with your pre-panel segment. Many people in America are being hounded by religious groups and even their own neighbors just for their beliefs.
A friend of mine, who is a homosexual, once said to my wife that we'll never understand how lucky we are to not have to worry if the guy across the bar will bash in our head with an iron pipe for flirting with him. I'm afraid that now, I at least have an inkling of his fear. I, and many others I know, are afraid to speak our beliefs for fear of reprisals. We *ARE* the homosexuals of the 80's and 90's, the African-Americans of the 50's and 60's, the feminists of the same era, and the Jews of the past few millenia. We are struggling for acceptance outside of the zoo-like curiosity of our theistic co-workers and neighbors.
A comment was made about atheists believing in nothing. This is patently untrue, and misinformation of the highest order. Atheism is not nihilism as some would have everyone believe. Atheists can be swept up into an almost religious fervor just by observing the beauty of the natural world. Free thinkers such as myself believe in a naturalistic worldview, a belief that everything around us is natural and can be discovered through analysis of natural processes. Some theists can share a similar worldview, but a theist also believes in, at least partially, a supernaturalistic worldview. Atheists deny the supernatural, because we find it unfulfilling intellectually (and yes, spiritually, if there is a difference).
Were you to replace the label 'atheist' with 'African-American' or 'homosexual' or 'immigrant' or 'Muslim' or 'Jew', you would be met with such angry resistance you would be hard pressed to not issue an apology to the aggrieved group. And yet I doubt there will be such an apology for us, since we are such a small minority and it will probably be hard for you to understand just how you have set back acceptance of atheists nation-(if not world-)wide in the span of five minutes.
Perhaps I am too pessimistic. I truly hope that you will recognize the error you made and take steps to actually raise the consciousness of your viewers. I do not ask for apology; that would be too much to ask for. But I do wish you would ask a prominent atheist such as Sam Harris (http://www.samharris.org), Richard Dawkins (http://www.richarddawkins.net), or Daniel Dennett (http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/incbios/dennettd/dennettd.htm) on your show to present the atheist's perspective and actually balance out the tribunal of prejudiced panelists you invited onto your show. - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -21/+91I think everyone of any race, religion, gender, political standing, sexual orientation, version of vista favoritism, file system favoritism should just relax. There is free speech for EVERYONE. Some people hate atheists let them speak their mind. Then we will have our turn. Thats how America used to work. You are only a true supporter of free speech if you defend the view you do not agree with
- petroK, on 10/12/2007, -19/+86@lukas
the problem is that the rest of the world (gathering from the anti-atheist sentiment of the law and many of those in power) doesn't look at atheism as "just another faith" and that is where so much of that backlash comes from. - handband2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+68Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiyJzWy3CDQ&eurl=
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU&eurl= - ipodsweatshop, on 10/12/2007, -30/+92It's because they're very fearful people. They fear that atheists are right. They fear God. They fear their own desires because they're told to. They are weak people by nature and they form big groups to feel strong.
Most "hard core" religious people are very unattractive physically, ever noticed that? They ended up being god warriors because that's the only group that accepted them without question. They take in the weak and make them feel strong with fairy tales about tons of virgins, heaven and hell. The rest were so young during the brainwashing that they can't dismiss all of the stories so they stick with it.
It all comes down to weakness and searching for answers. Those who are too weak, stupid or lazy to try to understand the world and how complex it really is default to the easy "poof it was there" explanations offered by religion. Don't be angry at them, feel sorry for them. - Shivalyn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+67For the record I don't think that atheists are even the source of this argument. I'm atheist and could care less if "in god we trust" is on my currency. As long as a dollar is still worth a dollar, I'm happy.
I think most of the anti-God arguments are from the other religions that live here that think their god(s) should be represented equally. And since America has no official religion, they're probably right.
But from an atheist standpoint, whatever. A little slogan on a piece of metal isn't going to make it true. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -18/+73I think the biggest problem in atheism is that both atheists AND anti-religion confuse the correct meaning of "atheism."
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
atheism
• noun the belief that God does not exist.
The term "atheist" implies that it is a neutral belief, that is, an "atheist," in the true form of the word, does not hate religion and does not hate religious people. Rather, an atheist is simply someone who believes that there is no god, just like a Christian is someone who believes that there is one god and a hindu is somebody who believes that there are many gods.
Unfortunately, there are many people who hate religion as much as radical religious folk hate gays. And many of these people call themselves "atheists" which is a bit ambiguous because while it IS true that they don't believe in a god, they ALSO hate religious folk. And conversely, many peaceful atheists call the hateful ones "atheists," as well.
Basically, what it comes down to is that there are radicals in every religion. Many people here on digg hate Christians because when they think of "Christianity," they think of the Westboro Baptist church. Many people the world over hate Muslims because when they think of "Islam," they think of the radical terrorists in the middle east that wish for everyone who does not belong to their faith dead. And many Muslims hate Jews because when they think of "Judaism," they think of the radical Zionist Jews that would gladly kill all of the Muslims in the middle east in order to get their "God-given" land back.
Likewise with Atheism, when many people think of "Atheism," they think of the loud, obnoxious people that say that the world would be better without religion, that religion is the cause of all hatred and suffering on Earth, and the many other hateful, stupid remarks towards religion. - ngonzales80, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56I am a Christian and I have to agree that this was a terrible piece.
After watching the 1st half, I was wondering what the outrage was all about. CNN did a "fair and balanced" approach to the issue. Then I saw the 2nd half. MAN, that was unfair. Yeah, they had the ESPN guy there speaking up for atheists but he was drown out by the two women. - Enchantrem, on 10/12/2007, -5/+55fasda:
I believe so. Mid 1950s. McCarthyism, and all that "we're not a bunch of godless communist Soviets" BS. - tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -3/+51Gee, whenever I ask for an opinion about a serious topic such as religion or atheism, I immediately contact ESPN...
- mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+48Having "In God We Trust" on our money is the ultimate blasphemy for a religion whose originator said "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."
I'm not really a hard-assed atheist like Dawkins, but I'm going to start telling people I am just for spite. - johnny2shoes, on 10/12/2007, -7/+51randyzaia = insecure dumbass.
- petroK, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49I'm an evangelical agnostic (you should hear me try to convert my athiest wife)... but this makes me want to join the Rational Response Squad. I haven't been so pissed off in a very long time.
Love the way they have a panel on "Why do Athiests inspire so much hatred" and can't find a single atheist to sit on the panel...
The only one even close to defending atheism was an ESPN sports analyst... a friggin Christian sports analyst.
Imagine the same panel on Islam "Why do Muslims inspire so much hatred" without a single muslim on the panel ...
(the answer to that question of course is the lack of Ramadan greeting cards) - Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -9/+52tex - so you should 'choose' to be Christian so that you won't be attacked for NOT being Christian? Since I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're religious, let me remind you that the Christian God hates 'lukewarm water' and that his followers were initially persecuted because they refused to submit to popular religious beliefs - something that you, in your hypocrisy, no doubt find quite admirable.
...talk about apples and oranges... - AtheistAcolyte, on 10/12/2007, -7/+49No, I think the people of other faiths do that quite well on their own, with no help from us.
- rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+44@tyho:
"The CNN piece is not hate speech, it's just speech,"
There is a simple test: replace the word "atheist" with the word "Jew" in every sentence the panel said - only assuming everyone on the panel was Christian. Also, change the banner in the back to say, "Why do Jews inspire such hatred?" Then read it again and look in your heart and ask yourself, honestly, if it was "just speech".
"and protected by the same constitution you inflamed atheists want to use AGAINST the free practice of religion."
Straw man. No one is trying to use the constitution against the free practice of religion, but rather to protect our right to practice our own, nontheistic beliefs.
"America was born from God fearing religious persecuted people fleeing Europe."
America was born from a fundamentalist sect fleeing persecution by other Christians in Europe.
"I see more hatred on these forums than anywhere on CNN or in any church anywhere."
You must live a very sheltered life.
"Tell me you poor persecuted atheists, what is the worst thing a religious person ever did to you?"
Tell me you poor persecuted Christian, what is the worst thing an atheist ever did to you?
"Most of the time it's just try to pass on their belief to another human being because they think they can save you. This is a gesture rooted in kindness regardless to how predisposed to hating them you may be."
But when an atheist tries to share their belief with another human being because they think it might be better for them - and gesture rooted in kindness - that is "hateful" and "inflamed"
"Atheists are a small minority in America and thank God for that if you folks in this post are any example."
So are Jews - do you hate them too for standing up for their rights, and asking for equal respect and dignity?
Look in the mirror, and you might see the very thing you claim to see all around you - hatred, bigotry, fear, misunderstanding and intolerance.
All I want is to raise my children in peace and to freely express my beliefs in the same way you do. Is that too much to ask, Great White Christian Master? - gldfshnpcklejar, on 10/12/2007, -14/+55@lukas
It's hypocrisy at it's finest. You think you can say whatever the ***** you want about atheists, full of as much hate as you can muster up in your tiny little skull, while condemning atheists for causing some non-existent damage. - rslc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+45Everytime I see any American say " US is a Christian country", I really want to laugh.
1) By declaring itself as a Christian country, its no difference from Middle East Muslim Countries.
2) Religion and politics should never mix. Religion in Politics, will only promote more hatred, conflicts and war especially from religious nation.
3) The fact that president Bush is a Christian, and openly uses "God" in his speech eg in the Iraq war,
is already a huge Disgrace to America.
And this CNN video is going to spoil US image even more.
ps: Im only telling the truth, and I'm not an American.
Americans should really wakeup to reality, its for the good of the nation and the world. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43@thcobbs
They weren't added due to majority consent, they were added because communism was seen as an atheistic movement and they wanted to combat that here with christian values. Read your history books, particularly on the topic of the cold war. Oh yeah, your 5th grade history book is probably not the most accurate. - RogerStrong, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44Once there was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled.
This time is called the Dark Ages. - jmkiii, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42@thcobbs
"Democracy exists to protect the minority from the majority" -Jimmy Carter - EntropyFan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39I have no wish to bash any religion. I'm just sick and tired of folks attempting to throw out the separation of church and state.
Religion and law go together about as well as alcohol and guns. - UglieJosh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36Wait............. I read the transcript rather than watch......... Are you telling me that the "Stephen Smith" from the transcript is Stephen A. Smith from Quite Frankly?
The most rational opinion was from the sports anchor???? - Daveecee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40"As long as a dollar is still worth a dollar, I'm happy."
I'm not. Our dollar's value is going doooown. - Strider817, on 10/12/2007, -10/+45Nice flame but I'll bite.
Atheism inspires hatred because in all religions turning against your god is a sin. Religious leaders preach things like, "You need God's guidance to avoid sin" or "God's forgiveness is the key to salvation." Naturally, someone who forsakes god's forgiveness or guidance is forsaking the worst possible thing imaginable. Since eternity is far more important then anything on this earth, it would make sense to them, that atheists should be shunned.
As atheists we must realize that many religions believe we stand for everything they do not, chaos, disobedience, disloyalty, dishonesty, ect. Although this is far from the truth, we are fighting thousands of years of teachings that say "you must not question, you must be loyal". - bigturns, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40I feel sorry for you my Christian brothers. You live in a secular nation. Designed so (http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html) by our fore fathers. Patriotism, after all your posturing, does not require blind faith in your supernatural flying harp dealer.
Read: The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
Excerpts:
http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/catalog/titledetail.cfm?textType=excerpt&titleNumber=689776
Quotes from the book:
- Albert Einstein
"I don’t try to imagine a personal God; it suffices to stand in awe at the
structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to
appreciate it."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Where to find it (Amazon): http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618680004/sr=8-1/qid=1170804552/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8033885-9862442?ie=UTF8&s=books - TheChihuahua, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33As a Briton, I find the fact that such a program was even allowed to air incredible - I guarantee that if this was broadcast in this country, there would be uproar.
"Europe is becoming Islamist..." Excuse me, but lady you have no ***** idea what you're talking about. I've no idea who this woman is but she shouldnt even be let out of her cage, never mind on television.
The problem here is that the USA considers itself 'a Christian nation'. Now I was raised as a Christian, and everything about the US seems to contradict those beliefs, but hey, different matter. I don't think any government should, in this day and age, be promoting any form of religion. Religious tolerance (ie respecting the faiths of others) and religious mania do not sit together. At all. - kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35I'm a proud Atheist, but to be honest, I don't feel as though I need any representation. I don't care about your beliefs, so just leave me alone. I don't usually tell people I am an Atheist because they start preaching at me, and to be honest, it just annoying. I know I won't change your mind, and I know you won't change mine. So really, why bother?
- petroK, on 10/12/2007, -10/+41I'm not saying there aren't plenty of militant atheists who spread hatred for theism. I don't think most atheists want to ban Christianity, just to halt the laws that respect the establishment of theism and prohibit the free exercise of Atheism. I would rather make friends with a militant atheist than a radical fundamentalist Christian of Muslim.
There is a long history of oppressing atheists in our country... I wouldn't blame the backlash on the atheists but the anti-atheist culture and power structure (as exhibited in this piece)
- dmoney06, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34randyzaia:
do you realize how hypocritical what you just wrote is? - Depraved, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Prove there is. The burden of proof lies with the believers of the hypothesis, not the believers of the absence of it.
As I've said, both sides believe in far too much to suit me. - ophilye, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32I'm with Shivalyn.
Honestly, atheists don't give a damn what is on the dollar. There is also the all-seeing eye thing, and we don't exactly get that, either. No one does, but they don't fight to get it off the dollar. no one cares.
However, this panel is like a KKK against atheists. I have never seen people with hatred for others that don't care to believe anything whatsoever. What, are they going to FORCE atheists to choose?? "Either choose christianity or buddhism or wicca. We don't care what it is, but you're destroying what I believe in by debunking it. Stop it."
I truly do not understand. But, with atheism growing so rapidly, I suppose that is just what happens when a minority begins to threaten the majority's money. - spurtle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Liberal media my ass.
- hamandcheese, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31@ Lukas88
Lukas, Atheism isn't a faith. Faith is by definition believing in something when the evidence does not support it. Atheism free thinking, rationalizing etc are not faiths. Atheism is reason and logic based. - thanksgiving, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29I thought CNN was part of the liberal media conspiracy? Oh wait, they're a multibillion dollar business
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29@98acura
I believe in separation of Church and State and I believe in freedom of religion. These are basic American principles, so it really makes no sense for ME to get the ***** out. You, on the other hand, may find it more comfortable in a religion-soaked state, like Iran. Or perhaps the Taliban have a place for you. In any case, you hate American freedoms and you damage America, so I really don't see why you're sticking around. -
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