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- hawkeye17, on 12/08/2007, -4/+134If true, those men are hero's.
- kkss, on 12/08/2007, -4/+107Yes. Thank goodness there are true patriots in the intelligence agencies.
- DeadElephantORG, on 12/08/2007, -3/+80This is the final unwinding of our real "commander in chief", Dick Cheney. Once his boot is forced off of the neck of the intelligence professionals, it won't be put back on. The Iran NIE revelation is a bombshell is because it perfectly parallels the criminal fraud about Sadaam's supposed weapons of mass destruction, which Cheney masterminded and managed. It's his MO, his signature. Those CIA men literally put their LIVES on the line to block the inevitable attack on Iran. What do you guess Cheney would be willing to do to stop someone from forcing his hand? The attack would likely have included the use of tactical nuclear weapons, and would have been CATASTROPHIC for our country, for millions of innocent Iranians, and for the world. Those CIA men are patriots of the highest order, and they are heroes.
- Napoleone, on 12/08/2007, -8/+70That's the trouble with the C.I.A. As an institution it is absolutely corrupt, but every once in a while a decent individual from within will do the right thing, and suddenly we forget the terror this agency is a part of. So I guess that's the trouble with us.
Isn't that how battered woman's syndrome works? Hurt, hurt, hurt... act of kindness. Hurt, hurt, hurt, act of kindness. This agency deserves no gratitude from this nation. They're purveyors of lies, death, and corruption. They're a bunch of drug runners, too.
I thank these few individuals, whomever they are, but the C.I.A. needs to be dismantled. - mrivorey, on 12/08/2007, -3/+56I'd just like to say thank you to the CIA (I'm sure they're reading).
- JlmAWP, on 12/08/2007, -3/+44It seems there is a real shift going on here. I'm actually impressed with the amount of patriotism displayed lately by some of these guys. You know, increased from none.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -4/+41This is blowback for the Bush regime throwing the CIA under the bus with regards to Iraq WMD intelligence.
- QuantumBios, on 12/08/2007, -1/+28Those men are true patriots.
- principle, on 12/08/2007, -3/+25So far so good! Just as the military rebelled over plans to nuke Iran, so did the intelligence community over the bogus intelligence on Iran. What is encouraging is that in both instances the decisions were made at the highest levels. I see why Buchanan said yesterday that Iran war is a no go. The question is what the wannabe-emperor George is going to do now?
- sockpuppets, on 12/08/2007, -1/+22You're welcome, Chris. By the way we noticed you have the death of the president as your most favorite Digg. May we ask your whereabouts on December 26, 2006?
- TheIguana, on 12/08/2007, -2/+20"Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" ~Patrick Henry, 1775
- Frostman3D, on 12/08/2007, -1/+19It's good to see someone up there making a stand for America.
- kkss, on 12/08/2007, -5/+22I agree with you about the last sentiment. But we have to recognize that there are a lot of people like Valerie Plame who got into it thinking they would serve their country. Nothing is black and white. We know they destroyed those interrogation tapes. But there are good people everywhere, and we have to be glad of that.
- MadN, on 12/08/2007, -3/+19Here's to real heroes; may you never need a star on the wall.
A better man than me once said this:
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." --Thomas Paine - odigity, on 12/08/2007, -0/+15Don't thank the CIA - a corrupt, criminal agency. Thank the brave men and women within the CIA who managed to hold on to some principles and integrity and try to the right thing at great personal risk. Remember - trust individuals, not organizations.
- yutt, on 12/08/2007, -0/+14Do you actually think calling someone a "libtard" is insulting?
I just feel sorry for you. You're entire existence is based around trying to get attention by calling people names. - MacEnvy, on 12/08/2007, -1/+14You haven't heard it yet? They're basically making up ***** to try to contradict each story as it comes out. For example, after the story broke that the CIA had destroyed interrogation vids right after finding out they might be subpoenaed, several right-wing sites and commenters posted stuff about how the tapes were destroyed as part of normal procedure prior to the threat of subpoena. It wasn't true, but it was posted all over the place, and a lot of people believed it.
So in other words, their defense is to deny, lie, and obfuscate. Just like the Administration. - yutt, on 12/08/2007, -0/+13Don't worry, I won't block you.
Someone has to be around to digg down every comment you make. - wheresjim, on 12/08/2007, -1/+14Wait until the investigations into KBR and Halliburton's activities under various contracts including LOGCAP are allowed to really begin, once this administration is out, and no longer able to hamper them.
- joshua5, on 12/08/2007, -2/+15Before the Bush Administration the intelligence agencies, especially the CIA, had a democratic leaning fighting for the 'greater good.' This is one of the reasons the Bush Admin have sought to break it up. Its another way they use the War on Terror to reshape the system according to their agenda.
- urbandistrict, on 12/08/2007, -1/+14Dugg for true Americans.
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -1/+12Wow, I can't wait to hear how the right spins this.
- kkss, on 12/08/2007, -0/+10It's not hypocrisy -- it's a tolerance for contradiction. It's a willingness to see that the world is not a simple, black and white place. To see that the same agency that engages in torture and extortion and overthrows of democratically elected regimes ALSO employs patriots who believe in democracy, rights, truth, and justice. It's about individuals deciding to do the right thing. If it's true, and these people took a personal risk to make sure the people get an accurate assessment of the intelligence, then they are the type of patriots our founders would have been proud of.
- Elderon, on 12/08/2007, -2/+12It's nice to see real heros. I hope nothing bad happens to them. I'm reminded of that bomber that took off a few months ago that was loaded with nuclear cruise missiles and how quite a few of them ended up dieing suddenly after it came to light. We need more people like these men to get rid of all the greedy cowards that seem to populate our government.
- MacEnvy, on 12/08/2007, -1/+11Depends who is elected in their place. Do you honestly think a Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, or Clinton White House would allow such investigations to bear fruit? I don't.
- adwarereport, on 12/08/2007, -0/+9They're already spinning it. They're attacking this report and the people behind it, claiming it was "flawed".
A lot of people are going to go down on this. I feel it. - inactive, on 12/08/2007, -1/+10You can already see the conservative spin machine attempting to attack the credibility of our national intelligence-gathering apparatus, there is truly nobody they won't throw under the bus in order to save face. You know your dissembling is out of control when Dick Cheney provides a voice of reason to the discussion:
“I don’t have any reason to question what the [intelligence] community has produced [...] I think they’ve done the best job they can with the intelligence that’s available.” The Politico, 12/5/07 - PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+9Bush has always been a bystander. Perhaps he actively went along with Iraq, but it was never his brainchild. It has always been Cheney, at the head of the Neoconservative cabal (Project For a New American Century members.)
I haven't figured out yet how to read all of this "Attacking Iran is now no longer an option" talk. It is encouraging, and it seems plausible. Bush could see his legacy all but dashed. He could have appointed Gates as a blocking force where Rumsfeld was always on the same team as Cheney. Cheney could be practically sidelined now.
BUT, this could all be misinfo. It could be a way to convince us all that there is no plan to attack Iran anymore, that they all came to their senses. So, when those sneaky Iranians somehow attack us when it is most convenient for us to attack Iran, they can say "See? We weren't going to attack them, but they forced us to!" - kkss, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8Right -- if it's true it's an example of goodness, showing that even an overall quite corrupt institution under an exceedingly immoral administration leaves cracks for goodness and justice to seep through. Those cracks are about all we have right now!
- inactive, on 12/08/2007, -1/+9Thats exactly the spin I'm talking about - The regime publicly demonized DCI Tenet for handing them faulty intelligence, when in fact the White House had been pushing the CIA to find an excuse to invade Iraq since 2001, and when the CIA came up with nothing concrete, the White House "fixed the facts to fit the policy."
- PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+8Perhaps the chiefs of the military branches might be with Bush, but I doubt the majority of those serving are. Just look at what happened when they tried to transfer nuclear tipped cruise missiles. Someone blew the whistle, and they had to come up with this grand story about how 60 year old procedures and protections were amazingly ignored (which is a seriously long chain of errors that seems statistically impossible, but hey, what do we know, we're just dumb citizens)
- MacEnvy, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7I suspect he'll order an ice cream sundae and sit down with a nice "Family Circus" coloring book. Why, what did you think he'd do? He's not the criminal mastermind behind all of this.
- PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -1/+8It was actually called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by the Project for a New American Century. William Kristol, Wolfowitz, Kagan, Bolton, Rumsfeld, Cheney are all members of this "think tank".
This was written in September 2000. The most shocking statement in this "study" is:
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/Rebui ... - Tangeuray, on 12/08/2007, -0/+7True Patriots. Hats off to these guys
- PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6It is actually something like 60%. You've got guys starting 5th and 6th tours, and if any of them were in Afghanistan prior to that, this could be their 6th, 7th, or 8th combat tour. That's 16 gold bars filling up their forearm. They're running out of space on their uniforms.
No American has ever served that many back-to-back or continuous combat deployments, until now.
You can bet money that the majority are sick of it. The ones that are the most pissed are the ones who really want to make a 20+ year career of military service, but are forced to eventually resign or not re-enlist because of the strain they've been through. - bugsy187, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6Didn't you read the Bush administrations plan to invade a series of countries to establish dominance? It was drafted before Bush was even elected. It's called the Grand Imperial Strategy and was written by Cheney and Wolfowitz. WMDs were a pretext. I mean, how many times did Bush change his story as the reason for invading? Remember when it was about fighting terrorism, then to get Osama bin Laden, then WMDs, and finally because we love Democracy and can't let this Dictator rule?
It's amazing that the CIA released a report that invading Iraq would increase terrorism (by destabilizing the region) and would likely disperse WMDs (because of a dissolved government) if they actually existed before the invasion. It's also amazing that everyone in the media seems to have forgotten that and that the public seems unaware. - PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -1/+7Unfortunately, there also bad people everywhere. And evil always has the upper hand in the struggle between good and evil, because evil will do whatever it takes to succeed.
These whistleblowers remembered that they are human beings working for an institution, not part of the institution. - WallyAnti, on 12/08/2007, -0/+6lol, that's a good one. Corruption never comes to an end, it just finds new facilitators.
- goffy59, on 12/08/2007, -1/+7huh? oh no.. block.
- PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5It is not "the same NIE". I sense that you don't understand what a National Intelligence Estimate really is. It is a document. There is a new one every year.
- PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -1/+6How quickly you forget about how quickly we all seem to forget. Think back to the scandals of dyncorp in Bosnia. Prostitution, kidnapping, over billing, etc. It maybe got a total of 30 minutes media attention across all media outlets combined. Sadly, this was the early example of why outsourcing military support services, especially in a war zone, was a bad idea, leading to corruption, abuses and a negative impact on military readiness, and it was all but ignored.
It's like the evidence destruction that just came out. The Director of Central Intelligence at the time is now twice removed, Goss and now Hayden have replaced him. Nobody is going to go after Tenet, since he's no longer in the position, it's easier to just forget about it. - CrazedLeper, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Nothing will happen to them--until after martial law is declared.
- khyberkitsune, on 12/08/2007, -1/+6Hey, CIA - Hire me, I have no qualms about taking a bullet to ensure that Americans have a just reason to fill our incumbents with bullets.
- PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Well, hayden is on YouTube insisting to a reporter that the 4th amendment says nothing about probable cause, that it only requires searches and seizures to be reasonable.
- kkss, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Were the same people who destroyed the interrogation tapes the ones working on the NIE?
- odigity, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Dude... I love Star Wars, too, but in the real world, evil persists unless Good Men take action.
- nicholai, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5"All branches of the armed forces are with the bush conspiracy"
Why is Ron Paul getting so much support from the military? I think at least 30 percent of our military is sick of the pointless wars. - PhilLesh69, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5Perhaps it has taken them just as long as the average American to realize and understand just how bad things have gotten.
Maybe Iraq was their wake-up call. Maybe it was the strange "nuke cruise missile" incident. Maybe everything just finally added up and they couldn't stand for it anymore. - mrivorey, on 12/08/2007, -0/+5>> Remember - trust individuals, not organizations.
Here, here! - archiesteel, on 12/08/2007, -1/+5"LOL you people are morons."
Shh. The grownups are talking. -
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