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- LucidOne, on 04/10/2008, -10/+66I'd rather see these sick sons a' bitches brought to justice. Tried, convicted, and sent to prison for the rest of their lives. That would go a long way to restoring America's confidence in it's leaders and it's standing in the world community!
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -6/+38It's people like you, bleeding such jingoism, bigotry, and ignorance, that give our nation such a bad rep.
- BigManOnCampus, on 04/10/2008, -10/+41This story was acquired 3rd-hand. That contact could have easily forged those documents and handed them to the salon reporter.
Also, while it is the CIA involved in desire for information, it does not appear to be the CIA doing the acts of torture, but the Jordanians. That doesn't excuse the CIA from being complicit in it, but submitter is trying to imply that the CIA was torturing people and this is proof. This is not proof of that. this is proof of something that has been going on a long time, and has been a part of numerous administrations. Political elements in foreign countries try to please the Americans with information, so they do whatever they can to do so. That is a situation that has probably existed since Carter, if not before.
Credibility is lacking verification here. - Mewchu11, on 04/10/2008, -1/+20Sometimes it's better to take the insult than come back with something weak like that. Seriously, if your gonna troll at least take a strong stance!!
- swrostmore, on 04/10/2008, -1/+17The fact that the White House "explicitly authorized" torture exposes their complicity
http://digg.com/world_news/Sources_White_House_Exp ... - omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 04/10/2008, -4/+15You sound complicit with their crimes in your comment! Don't give us you love to hate this country *****, it doesn't work anymore!
- swrostmore, on 04/10/2008, -2/+12The title was said to a CIA prisoner taken by the CIA to Jordan, by Jordanian interrogators who were on the CIA payroll. You are nitpicking, desperate for an excuse to call this story inaccurate.
- evilcaptain, on 04/10/2008, -3/+12Sweeping generalizations get us nowhere. The MSM sometimes lies, which undermines our trust in it. That doesn't mean everything they say is a lie.
Alas,going by the evidence, the US doesn't need the MSM to make itself look bad ;) - supermanred, on 04/10/2008, -1/+10So why did you guys get rid of Saddam Husein if you are willing to do the same things to your "enemies"?
- scotticus, on 04/10/2008, -3/+12I'll set up us the bomb.
- swrostmore, on 04/10/2008, -2/+11The CIA deliberately renders prisoners to countries where they know they will be tortured, in order to gain information from the prisoners under torture. This fact isn't arguable, you admit as much in your post. The CIA themselves didn't engage in torture (in this example) but they certainly did use it (through a proxy) to get information. So where exactly is the credibility problem here?
- JohnDavis730, on 04/10/2008, -2/+10no matter how bad the CIA's actions are, that is a sick quote none the less.
- Diderotten, on 04/10/2008, -1/+9I love this country. Not because they illicit actions like torture, but because of the capacity for this country to change. The country was founded in revolution. Although physical revolution I don't condone, peaceful political ones can work.
- thelock65, on 04/10/2008, -1/+8whatever happened to those guys who threw the puppy off the cliff? didnt 'they' launch some kind of investigation?
- supermanred, on 04/10/2008, -2/+8Not playing nice is what got the US into it's current scared of its own shadow afraid to ride the bus and looking out for terrorists in the toilet bowl situation.
- Harbinger67, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6Too bad NO ONE in any position to make a difference will stand up and do so.
- JohnnyMi25, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6Amen
- stix213, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5Title says: CIA: "We'll make you see death" but the CIA never said that.... period.
The article makes many claims with no sources, such as knowing the dates of detainee transfers, supposed independent accounts from other unnamed detainees, supposed prisoners in Egypt & Morocco. Again with zero sources!!! Bad journalism plain and simple.
And with paragraph after paragraph of sourceless BS that would be thrown out of an English 101 class, they then completely agree with the scribblings of a Jordanian held prisoner, who doesn't speak English..... But somehow could tell a CIA officer from every other law enforcement or intelligence service in the entire world. Like the CIA actually would have told them who they were?
And after all that, they won't even provide the full text of the letters! You are just supposed to take Salon.com at their word for the contents of the letters, and believe every sourceless claim they make without any question.
How soft headed are you people!!!! Doesn't anyone care about sources anymore? Ohhh wait...... We are in an era where anything that fits with an ultra left agenda is believed without sources no matter what.... I'm sorry I forgot who you people are. - bluesnowmonkey, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5Who are you referring to, exactly? The sick sons of bitches who committed the acts of torture? The CIA agents who transfered the prisoners? The executive branch officials who authorized it? The justice department officials who called it legal? The congressmen who refused to stop it? The American people who voted them all in (and will probably re-elect most of them)?
How can you restore confidence in any of it? - forgiste, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5Anyone who is this angry at the sick administration loves this country and is tired of seeing it manipulated by business interests. Just because you hate the leaders doesn't mean you hate the country, jackass.
- Kahlzarg, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4Just wait for Fallout 3 like everyone else.
- BigManOnCampus, on 04/10/2008, -4/+8And I suppose you are consistently throwing yourself in front of the bus to stop all torture in the world.
- swrostmore, on 04/10/2008, -1/+5ABC News
http://digg.com/world_news/Sources_White_House_Exp ... - heystoopid, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4This relates to the story of the similar abuse meted out to an innocent Canadian Citizen by the name of "Maher Arar" in Syria at the direct insistence of the CIA or the continuing illegal detention without trial or charge of the Al Jazeera reporter prisoner number 345 at Gitmo one Sami al Hajj for the past 2128 days !
- supermanred, on 04/10/2008, -1/+5No you don't, that's the whole point.
If I hand your brother off to my neighbour who beats the ***** out of him and cuts off his balls, does it mean I had no part in beating the ***** out of him and cutting off his balls? - swrostmore, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4You really need to move to mainland China so you can get cozy with the kind of torture regime that you love to support.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4"...referring to his Jordanian captors..."
Your "CIA: " title was total *****. - sjdillard, on 04/10/2008, -4/+8buried - the article doesn't even show what the note says.
- KMartSheriff, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4***** that.
- mirunit, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3Suppose I have also read western news and know that the CIA likely transported people to foreign prisons. With this knowledge, I go about fabricating a story about said transport and torture then push it out to a low level reporter trying to make their career via a contact I may already have. The credibility gap exist here because you cannot confirm the merits of the story itself.
- SamuraiGhost, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3I'll send you the signal.
- mecharabbit, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4The greatest fruits of freedom are the rights it affords us. How can we in good conscience claim these rights for ourselves but deny them to others? If we don't appreciate the inalienable rights of all humans we don't deserve to be free, and we dishonor those who have fought for our freedom.
- Exbzurq, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3I'll take off every zig.
- joshua5, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6Moron journalist, WTF did the damn letter say?
- torressr3, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3No, lets trust your government. The one that said there were WMD in Iraq. Good choice
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Funny how many of the same people who say we are torturing terrorists also say terrorists aren't real. Putting aside the ethics of torture aside, why would the US government be spending all this money and whisking people away to nations like Jordan if they were not considered a threat to begin with? Why would the US go out of the way to look bad in World Opinion by keeping Guantanamo Open for instance? No doubt some innocent men have been sent there but why bother with the whole thing unless there really were sociopath enemies like Khaled Sheikh Muhammed.
- mirunit, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Its true because it paints the US CIA in a morally bad light, forget about the people who actually live in Jordan and have to deal with Jordanian Intel.
- gilgsn, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2So, if we need vital information, we shoud do what? No more cake for desert?
- torressr3, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Thats funny cuz thats exactly what everyone says about america.
Not every one in the middle east is a terrorist there are people just trying to live their lives in peace. About Islam have you ever meat a Muslim?
I am from Europe and believe me when i say, nobody likes the us. And i mean nobody, especially since the "war on terror (oil)" started, by the hands of your double elected dumb as ***** president. - locojones, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3This whole article stinks of supposition and bad journalism. Didn't somebody run the fingerprint on the document to see if it verifies the author's identity?
- bugsy187, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Don't answer him when he asks if you like America. It's a ***** question. If the CIA is essentially torturing people, say it's amoral, because it is. It's wrong, and the "patriot" test is an obvious (and increasingly desperate) scare tactic. It's the use of fear for political ends. Not far from a mild definition of terrorism, actually.
- torressr3, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Freedom? lololololololololol
Your are not free! You are anything but free.
Patriotic Act, $cientology suing every ones ass, fear in every corner, even the news don't speak about the war. That's freedom? When was the last time you saw somebody speak ill of the war and your government?
Either your very stupid or very blind.
Free, you use that for a justification for the worst things in the world. - topgigmedia, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3And that is why you shall never get to have your finger on the button.
- jerwin, on 04/11/2008, -6/+8I just love the fact that any comment that dares question the validity of this crap gets buried, and any comment that implies a general hatred of the US and the fact that all of this is to defend their right to have stupid opinions gets dugg up.
The average digger seems to be about 16, has no opinions of their own and has never step foot outside of the US to see exactly how good they have it here.
Morons.
(let the burial begin!) - Prometeus, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2As a student of Arabic, I have to say, that is some REALLY nice handwriting. Seriously. I've been able to write the Arabic alphabet for months, and yet I can't write nearly that well. And yet they write perfectly; almost calligraphic. To anyone else whose seen the handwriting of your typical Arab, you know how rare that is. Arab handwriting is worse than that of doctors. And not a single smudge or anything on the paper, despite being written while detained in a secret cell in an unspecified Jordanian location. ممتاز!
Really, I'm impressed. - swrostmore, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Or Bilal Hussein, the AP photographer who was detained without trial since 2006 until he was last week found innocent by an Iraqi court.
- swrostmore, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2You got it backwards, our big-eared Curious George look-alike presidient [sic] is LEAVING office January 1st 2009.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2And yet the middle east is working with us to take down these guys. Jordan knows offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood are dangerous to their stability.
- kn0xy, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3This is a large amount of ***** to swallow, especially in the current state of politics these days. It's unfortunate that not even Americans can keep an open mind on such things. Even if this story has a fraction of truth to it, we're talking a couple of bad apples within a bunch. But look at you so called Americans/Patriots, just ***** blast a whole agency based on 1-2 articles you most likely only read partially before you just had to blog your feelings on it. If you don't like our Government, next time decide on your own who is elected instead of who the news is telling you to vote for.
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