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- duckley, on 08/05/2008, -25/+158IMPEACH.
PROSECUTE.
CONVICT.
IMPRISON. - wunksta, on 08/05/2008, -19/+46and america still sleeps.
- magus_melchior, on 08/05/2008, -14/+34Cheney et al. planned to invade Iraq years before Bush took office. Is it at all surprising that they would order George Tenet into dreaming up evidence that Iraq was somehow tied to al Qaeda?
- Cuchanu, on 08/05/2008, -17/+35HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO HEAR IN ORDER TO LOCK UP EVERYBODY RESPONSIBLE FOR FAKING REASONS TO GO INTO IRAQ??!!! Seriously at this point we might as well say the president can get away with whatever he want. Let's call it the 'Ongoing Investigation Executive Privilege Law'.
- inactive, on 08/05/2008, -4/+21Don't torture, why lower ourselves to their level?
- kingUssop, on 08/05/2008, -2/+16Of course they lied. You don't remember Hans Blix? The weapons inspector who told everyone from the beginning there was no reason for a war with Iraq? Only morons ever thought that Iraq, the sanctioned, sagging defeated country it was, was a threat to anyone. Thus Bush had to lie at every step.
- inactive, on 08/05/2008, -1/+14then where's your extraordinary proof?
"It's in a book" doesn't count. - spacebuddy, on 08/05/2008, -13/+24Unless you have proof, it means nothing.
- ileen4justice, on 08/05/2008, -44/+53then TORTURE
- inactive, on 08/05/2008, -3/+12***** you. It's far more patriotic to stay and try to change things. THAT'S what America is about. Scum.
- kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -1/+10You are the type of person who is making America no longer America anymore.
I hope you are proud of your Totalitarian State of "America". TSA.
Clown. - inactive, on 08/05/2008, -5/+14Wow, what an ignorant statement.
- kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -5/+13No you nimwit, if the guy does something that is blatantly wrong, illegal and unconstitutional, you impeach.
- Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -0/+8someuserQU, it is depressing that people think like you in our nation. Love it or leave it? I love it enough to want to stay here and *fix* the problems that is has. If you want people to turn tail and run, you have the problem. It takes courage to disagree, little boy, and it takes courage to make changes. Grow up.
- inactive, on 08/05/2008, -3/+10So, will Obama denounce Bush and call for his impeachment and arrest, or will he keep on grinning and shaking hands?
- inactive, on 08/05/2008, -2/+9If the President commits a crime, impeach him and then try him for the crime. And yes, it should be done every single time a President commits a crime
- Wargalas, on 08/05/2008, -8/+15You could claim absolutely ANYTHING, and unless he's willing to quote direct people, there's always going to be doubt.
Sure, we haven't found WMD's and there was doubts before, but hindsight is always 20/20 and you could make the same argument about any world event such as Bill Clinton willfully ignored Osama's threat even after attacks against American interests.
It looks true from the onset, but you need concrete evidence to back it up. - btschul, on 08/05/2008, -3/+10"Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care."
- Izult, on 08/06/2008, -0/+6why digg down? that's a valid question.. what will obama do?
- kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -1/+7I already pay upwards of 40% of my annual earnings supporting a bloated government apparatus that is trying to rescind protection after protection laid out in the Constitution. Perhaps you are not aware of some things such as domestic spying, routing all internet traffic through the NSA, the gradual erosion of freedom of speech, the gradual erosion of property rights and gun rights, the gradual assault on privacy, the systemic assault on the 10th amendment, outwardly insane things such as lies and deception to start cold kill and plunder wars, I could go on and freaking on. Apparently, you live on the moon and haven't witnessed any of this. Either that, or you are simply a happy serf who is too stupid to understand you are being caged in piece by piece. Well guess what, clown, America wasn't created to be a cage for serfs, it was created to be a place for free men to live with natural rights. So you can take your tyranny apology and happy serfdom elsewhere and return your mindset to one of true Americanism. If you choose the former, congrats on being anti-American. If you choose the latter, welcome to the patriotic wing of the American republic.
- Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -1/+7I don't agree with torture, period, Rude. It doesn't make me better, it just makes me principled enough to know that justice applies to all, or to none.
- InetRoadkill, on 08/05/2008, -7/+13Add this charge to the list. First, the lie of the '16 little words' about the uranium. Then came the Downing Street memo acknowledging that the reasons to invade were bogus. Combine this with the cherry-picking of intelligence and out-right distortions, and a pattern of lies emerges that is undeniable. The charge that Bushco ordered the CIA to fabricate evidence is perfectly consistent with this administrations lawless behavior.
- johnomaz, on 08/05/2008, -15/+21FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...YET ANOTHER DUPE!!!
- kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -2/+8I agree with Chassit. Raise yourself up via right and just action.
- Pigeon, on 08/05/2008, -2/+7Let's see... (And I'm not even American):
1. The president has the ability to call anyone an 'enemy combatant'.
2. Those labeled 'enemy combatant' can be held without charge or trail (Against your consitution).
3. They can wiretap whoever they want without warrent (Again... against your consitution).
4. Torture.
5. They can take anything that holds data off of you at the border without cause to search and keep for as long as they want. (Again... against your consitution).
Shout about "If your not a terrorist they won't happen to you" all you want but number five can be done to any of you. Don't you find that disturbing at all?! - spinchange, on 08/06/2008, -0/+5@ Pentomino & LordKat - I haven't read the book yet, but understand that the two cited sources for this are 1) Rob Riech, a former director of near east affairs for the CIA who evidently claims to have been in the room the with director of the CIA when this was ordered, and 2) the former head of the Iraq Operations Group, John Maguire.
FWIW, Ron Suskind is Pulitzer prize winning journalist, who wrote for the (conservative) Wall Street Journal for years. He has a sterling reputation in the professional journalism community and is not a "fringe" or "left wing" author. Several of his books are best sellers, and much of "the bad" stuff we now know and now accept as fact about the administration, have generally has came from Suskind's investigative reporting.
This may turn to be inaccurate and we may never get any concrete proof, but so far nothing else he's written about the administration has turned out to be untrue -- in fact, like I said, most of the stuff we do know came from him. His sources are people like former cabinet members-- not baseless rumors. I urge you guys to check out, "The Price of Loyalty" or, "The One Percent Doctrine" --this isn't "sensationalist" tripe. - lncb2u, on 08/06/2008, -1/+6Bush has no conscious whatsoever; he is a very sick individual.
- Hypnotoad8, on 08/05/2008, -1/+6It also doesn't make much sense. A "Top Iraqi intelligence official" said so? That's the proof we need to immediately halt the war?
- h3lx, on 08/05/2008, -0/+5third one today.
- bulanjing, on 08/05/2008, -4/+9Sure. Keep impeaching them - eventually their successors will get the point. You lie to the public? Impeached. Invade some country based on lies, impeached. Basically, we want them to understand that as our SERVANTS they are to be held to a very strict standard, stricter than even your average citizen.
After a generation of this, maybe we'll start to attract a higher caliber of public servant. Until then, the old saying will continue to be true - we get the government we deserve. The only way to show we deserve a better government is to hold the one we have accountable at all levels. - DaDrake, on 08/05/2008, -4/+8How do we know the source is credible? The fact is, we have intelligent reports from five other European nations that concluded the same thing (to reiterate, five nations that aren't the USA or Israel). The consensus was that Saddam had WMD (based on history, current actions, and each countries' intelligence reports). The debate was whether force was justified.
Based on what was known at the time, I think it would be irrational to believe Saddam didn't have WMD (and today we know he didn't). Intelligence reports inaccuracies aren't new... the manhatten project was created based on numerous reports the Nazi had their own program and it was near competition (this was false, they gave up on the idea in a month's time). But to firmly state that Saddam didn't have WMD, at the time, resembles wishful thinking rather than rational thought. The Cold War was another example of both sides being completely wrong on many issues. For example, the USSR thought the pentagon was a castle defending a small building in the center of it (this building is in the park area .... and it makes pizza). - inactive, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5WILL
NEVER
*****
HAPPEN - richbleak, on 08/05/2008, -4/+8Answer: extremely.
- pentomino, on 08/05/2008, -16/+20Not dugg, because even in this administration, that's an extraordinary claim, thus requiring extraordinary proof.
Though it is a shame that the people who should have stopped Bush long ago, didn't. - nosecohn, on 08/05/2008, -3/+7That's some interesting revisionist history there, without any sense of the cultures at work.
Let's put it this way, if your country was the most scrutinized on the planet, with a foreign air force patrolling your skies daily for 10 years, conventional defense forces devastated by the last war, weapons inspectors climbing under every rock during years of surprise visits (and finding nothing), with international sanctions causing your people to starve and suffer, AND you lived in a region where demonstration of strength and defiance are the practically the only ways one commands respect, do you think you'd be telling the enemies amassed at your border that you're absolutely defenseless?
Saddam was in a no-win situation. He could ill afford to look weak to either his own people or the saber-rattling enemy preparing to invade. If he had he demonstrated that he had WMD, the US would have invaded. Had he not been show to have WMD, the US would have invaded, and did.
The Bushies' plan was to go in all along. They just needed to make up an excuse (and when that didn't pan out, an increasingly lame series of excuses) to bring it about. - AngelaQ, on 08/06/2008, -2/+6If you actually read the details, you would see that these are all separate stories, an endless stream of stories about entirely separate offenses. New stories come up all the time about abuses, corruption, and war crimes. If you don't like it, don't read them. But I think you probably haven't read them, or you'd be aware already.
- swrostmore, on 08/05/2008, -2/+6"There were many Iraqi officials who said both publicly and privately [to the CIA] that Iraq had no WMD" -former CIA Director George Tenet
- chevyorange, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5If Arianna made you change your vote you were never going to vote in the first place.
- Hangly, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5WATERBOARD
APPLY ELECTRODES TO GENITALS
HANG - Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -2/+6If you want to say Clinton was a sexual predator, then fine. He was dragged through the mud, politically, publicly and privately. Can we call Bush into question now, too, because I'd rather someone was getting laid in office instead of raping the populace, and frankly my butt hurts.
- bullhead2007, on 08/06/2008, -0/+4Yeah because we're all Free to agree with what ever the Government and the status quo tells us to do or leave?
A true patriot questions the government and stays to put it in its place. - Hangly, on 08/06/2008, -0/+4And Hans Blix's report came only a few years after Scott Ritter's report saying exactly the same thing.
- kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -4/+8I cannot believe these morons apologizing and rationalizing for lies, deception, aggressive war, killing, economic destruction, state propaganda and a continuous march towards tyranny.
You should be ashamed of yourself. - attackpanda, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5Turn off the 24. Read. Please.
- spinchange, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3Evidently buried for truth, my friend. Tenet's denial is completely damning. Thank goodness they were dumb enough to throw him under the bus. Otherwise, most of his "denials" wouldn't be intentional and 'blinking red', if you know what I mean.
- blipblipbeep, on 08/06/2008, -1/+4Sorry mate, You may have been right in the past, ATM tho she needs lots of help. I'm from Australia and ill help if possible but u gotta pull your troops dude. and impeach that "shrub" then go after those corrupt bastards that pull his strings.
Love mode... beep - FamousAnus, on 08/05/2008, -0/+3Ha! Art Bell knew about it before the FIRST gulf ware event STARTED!
Yeah...just dig me down already. Humor, like sensibility - has no place here. - ad33lshahid, on 08/05/2008, -1/+4alot of countries have weapons programs. the missing link is how him having a weapons program (which he didn't have) was a threat to americans. When did iraq threaten America ? There are alot of holes in the case for war. and the worst part is that since we're the "best country in the world" and we're always right-- we'd rather save face and stay than admit our fault and apologize
- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3Once again the stupidity of Digg neo-cons shows itself. You do realize that plenty of Conservatives are against the war too, right? Pretty sad that you don't know anything about your own party that's outside your little circle of corporate whores.
- ad33lshahid, on 08/05/2008, -4/+7and yet we're still there
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