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- geddon, on 12/28/2007, -8/+144The vast majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Instead of invading their country or designating their military as a terrorist organization or economically sanctioning them -- WE SET THEM UP THE BOMB? Incredible.
- phnx0221, on 12/28/2007, -4/+103They hypocrisy here is astounding. We condemned and cried to high heaven about the atrocities of Saddam Hussein (which were valid, but of course we left out our very real complicity in those atrocities), and used them as a justification to go to war in Iraq after the WMD's fell flat.
Yet, the very same atrocities that were decried then, can also be attributed to Saudi Arabia, yet we fall largely silent. Saudi Arabia continues to impose corporal punishment on its citizens, using amputations of hands and feet, lashings, capital punishment in the form of firing squads, beheadings, and stonings. The offenders, are not represented by a court of law. Rather, their crime is usually charged based off of confessions garnered through the use of torture, harassment, threats, or other "persuasive" means. The punishments for these crimes are usually held publicly, as to deter from any deference from Islamic law.
We have been allies with Saudi Arabia for quite a long time. They are the world's largest oil exporter, and they are a country which borders Iraq, Kuwait, and Jordan, which also neighbors Israel. Because of this economic influence and bartering power, as well as their geographic (i.e. strategic) location, we in the West are largely uninformed about the atrocities committed by Saudi Arabia against their own people, as well as the atrocities of Saudi Arabia that would likely be committed against other countries in the region.
15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. While the King and his government have formed a long and seemingly strong alliance with the West, the people most certainly have not. In fact, one of the reasons we were attacked in the first place, was because of the allowance of United States base building in Saudi Arabia. This came from Bin Laden, as well as many from the population of Saudi Arabia. Giving this country nuclear technology, while our relationship with them seems tumultuous at best, is a grave mistake, that will only fare worse for the world, and the desire to diminish the amount of deadly nuclear technology.
I think this goes without saying, but we need to be focusing on limiting nuclear technology, while vastly diminishing our own nuclear technology. Otherwise, the world could very well find itself caught in a nuclear war when one country get pissed off at another country, and decides to call their bluff. - iching, on 12/28/2007, -2/+94OK......Does anyone have a problem with this? The military industrial complex excluded of course.
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -4/+51This administration is an embarrassment to the nation. Yes, hypocrisy is a problem, but the utter lack of common sense is beyond my comprehension. How can an American president be so out of touch with reality that he can't see the danger of arming the world a few times over. We're arming them with weapons and appropriating funds for people that could turn around and use them on us and our soldiers.
- whatthefu, on 12/28/2007, -5/+41We shouldn't be aiding Israel OR Saudi Arabia. Case closed.
- drizzlelicious, on 12/28/2007, -1/+32Soon enough, all our base are belong to them
- cg4et, on 12/28/2007, -0/+28This can't possibly go wrong.
- internjack, on 12/28/2007, -1/+26Greed, torture and mass murder-- from Saudi Arabia linking directly to "Our" White House.
- MoClippa, on 12/28/2007, -4/+28Stop selling high tech weapons to Israel, then I'll gladly agree that Saudi Arabia shouldn't get that sort of technology either.
- SeethisPass, on 12/28/2007, -3/+26Webster should define absurdity as being Bush like. or as pertaining to a Bush supporter. The entire era of george w.. seems very much like a farce perpetrated to set up whatever comes next on the CFR agenda.
- wjcormier, on 12/28/2007, -2/+24I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that Bush supporters are very cult-like in their behavior. We point out facts, back it up with substantiation - and they still support a President that has bankrupted America and refuses to obey any law, even our own, and is considered by many in the international community as a war criminal. Its proof that indoctrination and propaganda works, and I'd bet those that still support him are avid Faux News fans. If you continually distort the truth and teach, every day, something that isn't true, it subliminally becomes a part of their character and values. I'm relatively sure they consider themselves to be the patriots - and Liberals and Progressives are the "enemy."
The "Decider" has proven to be the "Divider" - and no matter what the rest of the world thinks, Bush relies upon adviser's that are stark raving mad, or is himself a sociopath that cares nothing of America itself, or the idiotic pawn of corporate America - that profit from war and death. Some legacy, destruction of the American way of life and a world that sits atop a hair-trigger, waiting and watching for what Bush and Cheney will do next, all of them hoping that we have real elections in 2008. Let's just hope he doesn't start another war... - Idiggapony, on 12/28/2007, -1/+22Finally, something that can be agreed upon by everyone on digg.com, unless of course they're making money directly from the deal.
The Saudi royal family is one of the most backwards, repressive, barbaric dictatorial regimes on Earth. Its fundamentalist interpretation of Islamic law includes shockingly disgusting elements, like preventing women from showing their faces in public, and arresting women who leave their houses without a male escort, that have absolutely no place in modern civilization. Worst of all, the Saudi royal family and private Saudi citizens spend enormous and ever-increasing quantities of money to spread radical Wahhabist teachings around the world. In the United States, the great majority of mosques were built by Saudi money, and their preachers poison worshippers with the most abhorrent messages of hatred and incitements to violence. Saudi Arabia funds terrorist groups around the Middle East, and guerilla groups that are attacking American forces in Iraq. In a very real sense, Saudi Arabia is at war with the United States, and the same can be said of Europe and the rest of the West.
By supporting the Saudi regime, President Bush renders patently obvious, once and for all, that the so-called "Bush doctrine" of supporting and encouraging democratic governments around the world is an utter fraud. There should be no mistake about why he's doing this: he will personally make a lot of money. Like his father, Bush will receive large, direct cash payoffs in exchange for his indulgence of the Saudi regime.
Any attempt to turn this into a right-versus-left issue is just as fraudulent as "the Bush doctrine." President Clinton was every bit as deferential to the Saudi regime during his presidency, and he continues to receive plenty of Saudi bribe money on a regular basis. The same was true of President Carter. And Reagan. And every other recent president, and plenty of other cabinet-level officials.
The ugliest, most dangerous regime on Earth has successfully bought off the U.S. government, for decades, and it has got to stop. - PhilLesh69, on 12/28/2007, -3/+21That won't happen. If we were going to attack Saudi Arabia, we could have done it years ago.
For one thing, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian. But it gets worse. Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, yet has never been accused of it. They also spend hundred of millions of dollars every year building radical mosques all over the world, including right here in the United States. Look up "Wahhabi" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi).
Plus, the Saudi Royal family is very tight with many powerful and influential people in the United States. Including the Bush family. The Bushes refer to Prince Bandar as "Bandar Bush", and he used to often visit the white house when both Bushes were in office. He still lives on Chain Bridge Road in Mclean VA and is afforded the right to do something no other foreign national can do, to have armed motorcades with police lights and the power to stop traffic. I've even exerienced this, driving home from work. I had two guys with automatic rifles and tan hunting vests walk out onto Chain Bridge road and stop traffic for 10 minutes, then watched as a bunch of SUVs with blue and red lights and several limosines come racing out of his compound.
It is no shock that the Bush administration would sell our best technology to them. They are in bed together. - PhilLesh69, on 12/28/2007, -1/+18Saddam didn't chop off your hands for stealing a loaf of bread, or behead you for bringing a bible or alcohol into the country.
Saudi Arabia does all of that. Plus they fund radical mosques, to the tune of several hundred million a year, all over the world, even here in the United States. - inactive, on 12/28/2007, -3/+19I don't have now but I will ten years in the future when the US claims that Saudi Arabia have WMDs that they sold to them in the first place.
- bousquetcm, on 12/28/2007, -2/+17We can't control the Mid East..... We are afraid of "Terrorists" from the Mid East..... We are catching crap left and right about the Mid East..... and we entered a war in Iraq bc of WMDs..... we threatened Iran bc of Nukes..... We now fear for the 40 Nukes in Pakistan..... We're suppose to back Israel (even though we send 3x more money to their enemies).... AND NOW WE'RE SELLING JDAM Technology to Saudi Arabia????!!!!!?????
HAS THIS PRESIDENT LOST HIS ***** MIND?!?!?!?!?! AND I BET GUILIANNI IS BROKERING THE DEAL, MCCAIN IS ACTING AS THE DELIVERY BOY, THOMPSON IS SETTING THE PRICE POINT, ROMNEY IS SAYING "SELL... DON'T SELL... SELL.... DONT SELL", AND HUCKABEE IS PRAYING THIS IS ALL A BAD DREAM!
Meanwhile Ron Paul is just getting another notch in his "What the ***** is going on with this foreign policy?" argument.
This just pisses me off. Why don't we just hand them some Patriot Missles too to sweeten the deal??? - hiphoc, on 12/28/2007, -3/+18If you take a look at arms sales laws that Bush is repealing. He has been arming the middle east to the teeth for the past 6 years. When WWIII starts off and our troops are being killed with M16's and F14's dont say Digg didnt "told" you so. Iran is flying F14's. We would face many of our own weapons if we attacked Iran. But just like WWII where Henry Ford, IBM and US banks were funding and building weapons of war that killed our troops, nothing is new under the sun. Tell that to someone eating lunch and they will start talking to you about Britney spears.
- ryptide, on 12/28/2007, -0/+13Here's a novel idea: Why don't we stop selling arms to everyone, period?
- PeppermintPig, on 12/28/2007, -0/+13Not that we should be invading them or making idle threats, however. Saudi Arabia's leadership might suck heavily, but that doesn't directly implicate them with any terrorists. Terrorism takes many forms, such as a US that is plagued with a government that implements fear tactics on its own people to rally support for immoral activities. Does that mean the public servants and soldiers of the military are complicit?
I don't think it can be explained away with simple yes or no answers.
If Boeing had any balls, it would stop laying in bed with the government and giving them the ability to abuse this technology as it has. - geddon, on 12/28/2007, -7/+20Gotta plant the evidence for the ol' "Weapons of Mass Destruction" routine. Gets them EVERY time!
- Comatose51, on 12/28/2007, -0/+12I really don't ***** get this. The most ***** volatile place on earth, the source of most of the world's oil, and the birthplace of three major religions, is tearing itself apart from violence and Bush wants to sell more weapons to them?!? Seriously. Evil or moron or both? Why doesn't he just go hand out razor blades to babies?
- metapop, on 12/28/2007, -3/+14immediate impeachment is the only solution.
- phnx0221, on 12/28/2007, -1/+11The ironic thing is that he ran on a platform of uniting our politics, as it was claimed that the previous administration had caused partisanship and national divisions that hadn't been seen in decades. This has long since become insignificant, but it's one of those sadly entertaining aspects of his political culture that I almost fondly look back on.
- phnx0221, on 12/28/2007, -3/+13Exactly. Our relations are fine right now with the government of Saudi Arabia. But, the population of Saudi Arabia, by and large, hates us. King Abdullah is caught in a crux between favorable relations with western governments and businesses, and favorable relations with his own people. At some point, something is going to have to give, and if they have this sort of technology, that is not going to fare well for us, or for our allies. That isn't even to say if Abdullah reverts and does something himself. There could be a coup, or there could be forces within the government that are unfavorable, as I am sure there are, to western governments/interests. This doesn't seem to bode well at all, and weapons proliferation shouldn't even be an issue at this point. We should be disarming the current stock, not adding new ones.
- jaymzdean, on 12/28/2007, -2/+12CONGRATULATIONS BUSH LOVERS!
Your *****' preznit just committed treason #456!!
YIPEEEEEEE!!!! - chase001, on 12/28/2007, -1/+10Do his Saudi masters get a corporate discount?
- Osjpr, on 12/28/2007, -2/+11It's not the American president who is out of touch. He is giving and getting what he wants...It's the American people who are out of touch.
- spyd3rweb, on 12/28/2007, -0/+9We shouldn't be involved in the affairs of any nation. Case closed.
- bousquetcm, on 12/28/2007, -0/+9From NYT:
WASHINGTON, July 27 — The Bush administration is preparing to ask Congress to approve an arms sale package for Saudi Arabia and its neighbors that is expected to eventually total $20 billion at a time when some United States officials contend that the Saudis are playing a counterproductive role in Iraq.
The proposed package of advanced weaponry for Saudi Arabia, which includes advanced satellite-guided bombs, upgrades to its fighters and new naval vessels, has made Israel and some of its supporters in Congress nervous. Senior officials who described the package on Friday said they believed that the administration had resolved those concerns, in part by promising Israel $30.4 billion in military aid over the next decade, a significant increase over what Israel has received in the past 10 years.
Looks like Bush DOES have an active roll in this. The JDAMS are suppose to be part of a package deal with F-15s and more!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/washington/28wea ...
Already dugg story: http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Set_to_Offer_Huge_Arm ... - geddon, on 12/28/2007, -3/+12How many times have we heard THAT one?
- lanceyromancey, on 12/28/2007, -1/+9Disgusting.
- chrisinsocalif, on 12/28/2007, -1/+9Is this the same Bush administration that found terrorist funding coming out of Saudi Arabia? Sometimes actions of our Gov are mind boggling, but I am sure it made someone a lot of money.
- DeviantDragon, on 12/28/2007, -1/+9If I could be unserious for a moment...I love the thumbnail pic that accompanies the article preview.
- PhilLesh69, on 12/28/2007, -0/+8Not "THE BOMB", as in a nuke (though I wouldn't be surprised if we already have given them a few dozen, since we probably had to appease them for giving a bunch of nukes to Israel.) The article is talking about J-DAM and other bomb guidance systems. Conventional weapons, not nukes.
But, this is still very disconcerting. The entire relationship with Saudi Arabia is very questionable. - ren1999, on 12/28/2007, -0/+7The Bush family and the Saudi Monarchy and Aristocracy are one and the same Multi-National Business. They oppose the American People, the Saudi People who can only speak out against the royalty in Mosques, and they oppose Israel. We should not be giving sophisticated missiles to Saudi Arabia. This is just why George Bush is the enemy of the American people and has worked against our interests for 7 years in an antagonistic and damaging way. Impeach him.
- PhilLesh69, on 12/28/2007, -0/+7Bandar Bush. F16 sales to SA. Turning a blind eye to 15 out of 19 hijackers attacking us.
They have oil, and they agree to sell it to us as long as we stay out of their business. They even requested, and we complied, that we do not allow our satellites to photograph over their country. - nestcrw, on 12/28/2007, -1/+8Gee, thanks Bush!
- linuxgeek, on 12/28/2007, -0/+7I remember watching Bush give his speech "We are going after those who attacked us on 9/11!".
I just didn't realize we were going after them to sell them more accurate and powerful weapons so they could do a better job next time... - DennisPease, on 12/28/2007, -0/+7Of course I'm totally against this, but our government is so screwed up that I imagine someone has already sold our technology for these weapons to other countries already. Two wrongs still don't equal a right, so this plan has to be shot down :)
- TiMMY8765, on 12/28/2007, -1/+7man I can't wait. McRib is awesome
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -4/+10Bush: Ahmaa dennejack, Ahhhmaa-ahhh ma
Cheney: Ahmadinejad, George, Ahhh-maaa-denne-jad. Ahmadinejad.
Bush: Let's just get condoleezza to talk about it. I'm goin back to the ranch. - Matthew720, on 12/28/2007, -4/+10What's all this whining? For years Israel has been taking "sensitive" U.S. weapons technology, modifying it slightly and then selling it off to China. Where was the outrage then?
- rpi22, on 12/28/2007, -1/+7Big surprise...
- F1R3DUP, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6I have a huge ***** problem with this...
- Dumbledorito, on 12/28/2007, -2/+8The Chinese swiped it from us letting them launch our satellites on the cheap (using our tech. Silly us). Bush is looking for cash on the barellhead from the sale of weapons technology to the country who spawned the 9/11 hijackers. Funny how you can't notice the difference.
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6The Bush administration is a parallel to the Mafia: loyalty oaths and extortion for "protection" from themselves. They ignore the law and act with joyful cruelty and impunity. Sociopaths hell bent on destruction and control.
They will eventually self-destruct as all malignancies do, but the good People should take steps to protect themselves from the collateral damage, so that when life goes on after these crooks are a memory (it always does), we still have a vibrant and healthy world to live in. Someday these bastards will be just a bad memory. - gsadamb, on 12/28/2007, -1/+7Closest thing to an ally? The majority of the hijackers were Saudis, remember?
With friends like those... - osbjmg, on 12/28/2007, -1/+7cough.. treason.. cough
- DarkMonk, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6I am just wondering... why stop there. Let's sell them directly to al-Queda? Does this president really lack imagination or is this so they don't have to hijack planes?
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -1/+6Word is just before Iran is invaded the McRib is coming back! ...only to be recalled as the first bombs drop....
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