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- RuffRidr, on 10/12/2007, -28/+71Its impossible not to agree with Kerry at some point in the life of an issue.
- forgiste, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43Sorry, but exactly what did Kerry flip-flop on? I've seen Bush flip-flop hundreds of times, this being one great example...
- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38I dont know about that, i had a pet rock i would say was twice as smart as he is.
- Shadar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36"I'm not defending Bush on this at all, I do think he's an idiot, but you can hardly accuse somebody of contradicting themselves while citing something they said 2 years ago. For example, if you asked me two years ago whether I thought $2 was a good price for a gallon of gasoline, I'd have said no. If you asked me today , I'd be happy to find it at that price."
I agree. But republicans and Bush would disagree with you... doing so is FLIP FLOPPING according to republicans... thus it is not allowed. You cannot change your mind, ever, for any reason, it is bad. You see, this works from a conservative viewpoint because new ideas are dangerous.
If you should happen to think, thus be a democrat, you might see that it is perfectly OK to change your mind when new information is presented. I know... that is quite a scary thought for some. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27RuffRidr, Herkimer, wonderboy, et al
Jesus, do think at all? or just like to repeat campaign ***** from 2004 to feel as if you still support the right people? Any line from Bush's campaign is a joke by now. We all know who's been ***** up at this point. Oooh, John Kerry changed his mind on Iraq? Did he really? I recall a certain Republican propaganda machine feeding lies to the public and congress alike. Maybe JK thought they had something there, and then realized it was politcal right-wing fearmongering *****.
Oh, and Clinton got a blowjob, but guess what? The USA did quite well anyway. Your idiot president can't even talk. Do you numbnuts even realize what a MESS we're in now? because you idiots voted on TV values, for a man who cares NOTHING about you. Well done. - Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30I'm not defending Bush on this at all, I do think he's an idiot, but you can hardly accuse somebody of contradicting themselves while citing something they said 2 years ago. For example, if you asked me two years ago whether I thought $2 was a good price for a gallon of gasoline, I'd have said no. If you asked me today , I'd be happy to find it at that price.
- z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24do you find it fitting that from our taxes 2.3 billion is given to Israels military but here in the states homeless assistance grants only account for 1.5 billion?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25I agreed with kerry on this one.
- gaqua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19You don't realize what you're saying, man. Kerry flip-flopped dozens of times. At least, that's what Karl Rove keeps saying, and we all know he doesn't *****. I'm glad he also told me about McCain's black baby, otherwise I might have voted for him! Close call, thanks Karl Rove!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23we need to protect our own borders and stop worrying about other nations besides foreign aid such as food and money
- z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Yale is a fine school & all, but money & the prestige of your family are probably as good as studying.
- TH3W1R3D, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25Bush is as dumb as a rock.
- bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Kerry voted against an $80 Billion "defense" bill with no spending oversight and was labeled a "flip-flopper". It's nonsense. The bill was bad and pushed through by crooks.
If you want to parrot the propaganda, go ahead. Just know that you have the facts wrong . - chall2001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Bush was against increasing the size of the military before he was for it?
- Valarauka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Answer: we obliterate them, as usual. The U.S. Armed Forces are awesome at conventional warfare. They're just incredibly horribly useless at fighting an insurgency.
- toppgun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Herk.
my opinions change too, Im not a flip-flopper, I just adjust them for new information and recently learned facts when they become available. It is possible to have supported the war when it started but after learning facts it is not flip-flopping to change your mind and stop giving it your support. - eastbeast314, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12He flip-flopped while windsurfing.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9borkeneck.
What I don't understand is why helping people bothers you so much. What do you have a problem with? Welfare? S.S.? Our military is by far the biggest chunk of the budget, yet we can't buy armor for our troops in Iraq. Don't you see something wrong with that?
to wowbagger. Funny, but your comment doesn't deter me even a little bit. Give me an argument that has any logic to it and I will rebut. But namecalling...er, sorry but I'm a grownup. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Jim V.
Dude, you are so wrong. The insurgents in Iraq are pissed because they were invaded. Not just Baathists or Sunis or Shiites, ALL of them. Meanhile, the Bush admin won't even allow the media to show pics of dead soldiers. Face reality, Jim, the situation is ***** and it's this administration's fault. - ArgusSmith, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Yes, the way Republicans do it is akin to in 1984: The past simply never happened, and they were ALWAYS at war with EastAsia.
That's the way to do it! - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Strabes
just had to point out that Bush had a C average. I went to Yale, my dad, my gramps too, and aunt was a prof there. Bush got special treatment. You ***** around like that at Yale and you're pretty much ostracised from day one.
yale kicked my ass. Made me realize how lucky I was to even go there. And yes, bitches, I'm still payin off that loan - detrate, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11ok... so two and a half years later?
- z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7this isn't a real war. that's the problem.
if there were buildings that needed to be blown up or a standing army to fight our troops could deal with it.
the problem is that we have occupied this country and trying to stop it from having a civil war.
what do you do?
i don't honestly know and neither does bush, neither does Kerry but neither of them are going to let the other guys ideas have validity because of the politics at home. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Terrorists? You mean the ones in Afghanistan (not Iraq) that we haven't caught yet? Does anybody remember that Osama is hiding on the Pakistani/Afghan border? You know, the guy who actually masterminded an actual real terrorist attack in the actual United States? STFU about Iraq and terrorists, dumbass.
- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUTn6L0UDU
that is were flip flop started
and ofcourse it is taken out of context and polticians are never eloquent speakers.
Kerry did co sponser the bill he voted against, that many republicans also voted against, because it rolled back bushes tax cuts.
Never did like kerry much, part of the corporate dem crowd, but he would have been a great president compared to bush.
The ultimate problems isnt the flip flop, the problem is we use the term negatively. Last thing we need is someone who will stay the course when he discovers the bridge is out.
One of the greatest signs of intelligence is the ability to admit you were wrong. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think the problem is with Republicans selling thier souls to Abramoff, lying about Iraq, lying about Social Security reform (to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars), covering up pedophiles in their ranks, and actually going to work less than any other president OR congress in the history of the US... or possibly blowing our tax dollars and holding a ***** special session of congress to save Terry Shiavo.
Just a guess. I got more if you need it - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6so will fox news start calling bush a flip-flopper every few minutes now?
- Fragalishus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"At what point did Digg become the geek wing of the Democratic National Committee..."
Probably about the same time that anyone anti-Bush got automatically labeled a Liberal/Democrat? - z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5that's exactly Why some democrats proposed bringing back the draft. they were hoping to spur on a Vietnam era reaction.
i don't recall Kerry ever being one of those democrats though. - brokensk8er, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There are terrorists in Iraq killing Americans because:
1. Americans took over their country
If anything, you know, pulling troops out now might be a good idea. If you looked outside and saw a bunch of GIs in Humvees randomly stopping people on the street, I don't think you'd be too cheery about it, hmm? - avolant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4actually, the 1770s are extremely relevant today. the viewpoint of tv pundits constantly bringing up the 'fathers of the constitution', the documents that set forth how our government is to operate, and the historical beginnings of our country are all rooted in the 1770s. i defy you to find me a better example of american political movements struggling to create positive government structure. with a contrary structure in place, no less. we could learn a lot from their resolve.
and as to the rest of the conversation, the government will not spend your money as well as you do. welfare, minimum wage, social security, whatever. ultimately, they are paying you to do the thing they attempt to stop. welfare, for example, is literally paying somoene to not have a job. this is not an effective way to maintain an economy, and a ineffective way to go about 'helping people'. - melfster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Bush is the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. Not just because of what he said in the article and when he said it, but he done this type of thing over and over again. Its really hard to take anything he says seriously.
- marinist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5As this Iraq thing has progressed, this thought keeps popping my head: If we're unable to handle the situation in Iraq with our current standing army, WTF happens when we have a real war to fight?
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4He was against increasing the size of the military forces in Iraq, until he lost support of Congress, which is about to take the matter into compentent hands. By that I mean, uh, the military... instead of the incompentence of Karl and Donald
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What is interesting is how Bush plans to increase the size of the military.
He doesn't want a draft ( it would cost the republicans too much politically ). He wants to extend the tours of people already in the military. He has already done this more than once. This is ironic as his excuse for increasing the size of the military is that the troops are stressed.
The latest poll I saw was that only 11% of Americans wanted the war. If he tried a draft it could cause a Vietnam-like reaction. - snello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The fact is that Kerry (and large number of the US population) thought this two years ago, and Bush didn't. Kerry didn't have the power of foresight, just the competence to look objectively at the current situation.
- Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@toppgun: The information that the administration was full of ***** was available before the war started. The information was available online. Everybody in the world but Bush and his administration (and the no-balls congressmen that voted for the war) knew the intelligence was cooked and that it was gonna end up in a civil war. Just like the other americans, you just didn't educate yourself before sending your boys to die for nothing. That's why I was against this war from the very beginning.
The only ones who knew anything and supported the war was people who had something to gain (contracts, news, budgets, false "security") - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I hate bias. But, what I hate even more are the media outlets such as ThinkProgress and Fox news that claim they're "fair and balanced" or "nonpartisan" but clearly are not. This is just getting ridiculous."
There is a difference. Fox manipulates by twisting words and usher implied meanings. In this situation this was news. As was reported by every news source with or without bias. It is plain as daylight. Kerry suggested something and offered his reasons why. Bush said his reasons were rediculous but look at what he is doing now. Stop trying to blindly defend and look at the facts and situation. - z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the Israeli military doesn't need to turn on America. they have AIPAC.
kidding aside, do you dispute the pattern i described? - frankinla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Valarauka
No army has been good at an occupation since the Roman Legions... The Russians, The Germans, The British, et. al., recent history is full of accounts of won battle and failed occupations. This is why Bush 1 didn't go into Iraq!
You didn't need any special abilities or education to know in 2002-2003 this was gonna go bad, just a sense of history. - siglesias, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Kerry warned of "more of the same," didn't he?
Aditionally, Kerry advocated bilateral talks with N. Korea, which Bush also seems to be adopting now, after multi-party talks failed.
America was dumb enough to fall for Republican sound bytes and picked the wrong guy in 2004. - RocketSeason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I dunno, its almost as if two and a half years have past since Bush's origninal statement and that the current state of the war warrents a change in military strength. Weird.
- JimV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4These articles are so biased (left or right) and composed of so many chopped up quotes that it's hard to tell what the position of Kerry or Bush was on the issue. Kinda like you can make anyone say anything if you don't include context. This is something done in news a lot and it pisses me off. Just tell me what they said and in what context! I don't need some frickin' editor to chop it up and serve it the way they think it should be interpreted.
- pegisys, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes bring up the Boston Tea Party, because 1770's politics are so relevant today
- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"What I don't understand is why helping people bothers you so much. What do you have a problem with? Welfare? S.S.? Our military is by far the biggest chunk of the budget, yet we can't buy armor for our troops in Iraq. Don't you see something wrong with that?"
It's simple. I understand what he is saying. Take the job off of aid for other countries and even our own poor off the hands of the government. Let private humanitarian take on the task of trying to "take care" of them. Our governement should be using our taxes to create better situations and environments so our nation can prosper. So instead of just taking care of the homeless man, a private organiztion can help him get on his feet, while our government ensures that there are ample jobs and affordable living for all. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think there is anything wrong with that. If American's want the war they should be willing to pay for it, not just the money, but with the other sacrifices. As long as most American's are not affected the war will not be taken seriously. It should be taken seriously either in terms of winning it or getting out of there.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Brokeneck, I'm not livertarian, but I doubt they want you to speak for them. You make no sense.
- biotch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think Kerry was wrong then and Bush is wrong now.
All we are going to do with more of a military presence there is piss off that many more people.
Our presence in Iraq is breeding seething anger in the middle east. - z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4must be all those republicans defecting and joining their party.
seriously though, can't we have a rational debate in this country and just not invite those two? - z23rdhsuan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@JimV
yes its the people who's job it is is to talk about the people who's job it is is to make the decisions who are to blame for the decisions being made.
that kinda makes this also your fault since by posting that comment you have become part of the media.
way to go, a$$h0le -
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