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- inactive, on 10/22/2007, -20/+174Would this be like FDR's concentration camps?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+118@ drizek
"FDR actually had a semi-legitimate reason to set up the camps. "
Are you ***** kidding me? He locked those people up for the crime of being born of Japanese descent. If you want to look back at the history of this country and a find a President that truly wanted to be a dictator you do not need to look further than FDR. This country is still paying for the damage that he did. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -23/+106Oh Noes! You said something bad about FDR!!!!
Me thinks that whoever buried your comment has no grasp of history. It happened. Learn from it. - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -16/+91The people elected Hitler, too.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -27/+94"Things would be alot easier if I were a dictator. Hehhehe!" -Bush
- dimator, on 10/12/2007, -18/+84Can all you 'tards learn the difference between "your" and "you're" ? *****!
- Bushlied, on 10/22/2007, -22/+76These camps will be for anyone who dissents. Meaning you, me, and someone they find inferior. Let them come to my home, take away my freedoms, tell me how to be a good American, destroy my child future. They would find a front end of a barrel. And one hell of a fight.
- LumLib, on 10/22/2007, -8/+61This greatly deserves to be Dugg. I think a lot of people will be put off by the 'conspiracy' like title, but I can assure you that this is a worthy read.
This is an actual law that has been signed into being, not mere rumors.
In a historical context, this should be front page news!
People should appreciate the work of people like Ted (the author) who are taking the point to discuss what is happening, rather than ignore it like the mainstream media. - Daedalus17, on 10/22/2007, -5/+42I'm not scared. I live in Arizona. We are an open carry state and I have enough guns for everyone in my household. Maybe it is time for the other more restrictive states to rethink their gun control policies.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39Guns don't kill people. I have a gun locked in a box in the room next to me, its sat there for 3 months now and hasn't uttered a shot. Now then if I wanted to I could take it out and kill someone with it, I could also just as easily stab them, or taze them, etc...
Guns in the hands of everyday people equals a greater level of safety. How many muggings would occur if you knew that the person you would mug would have a gun? Drug addicts would still mug people but they already do. We need drug law reform not gun law reform. - wackie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39Oh yeah, becuase the Republicans, never, ever use fear to sway public opinion
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061017-9.html
For anyone thinking that this might not be real, it is. - Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin - Demagogue, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40people kill people!
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -15/+47Don't digg up that guy.
Look at the voting machines. A sudden influx of electronic voting machines pushed by Republicans for a 50% technology turnover rate in the voting process when the average turnover rate is 5%. No supervision? No oversight? No paper trail? Aggressive defense of the machines by those involved in the voting process despite the flaws? Appeal to the Supreme Court to prevent a recount? Voter suppression and manipulation?
Totalitarianism is the goal, not the tool. Anyone defending Bush because he failed DESPITE The Party's attempts is clueless. That's why reform is still a concern, that's why we need to revise these horribly and heavily gerrymandered districts that are both unethical and now, apparently, illegal. The Republican party has been rotten for years and it took a ridiculously high Democratic turnout (in the 60's compared to in the 40's for Republicans) to overrule them, often with only slight majorities despite anti-Republican feeling. - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32@rebrad - "Guns don't kill people, people do... but the gun helps."
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+36@DDosAttack
Civilians NEED assault rifles to keep their government afraid of them and in check.
Especially when our own military goes about conducting illegal anti-American gun confiscation in times when rich white civilians who live in mansions are in the biggest need-to-be-*****-armed-right-damn-now situation of their lifetime!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-518277312735074916&q=fema+gun+grabbing
No, FEMA didn't make the hurricane, but they sure as hell make the disaster a hell of a lot worse.
Hitler and Stalin agree, gun control works:
http://www.saveourguns.com/july4thremember.jpg - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Now that we know, what should we do?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30government kills people
- Corvidae, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26@jban4US
The problem isn't the technology or the attempt to improve voting. It's the insanely BAD way it was done. There's nothing wrong with using a touch screen to place your vote. The problem is when there's no way to know how many votes were already in the machine, even though it reports 0 votes. There's no way to be sure none of the votes were changed or tampered with. There isn't even a way to be sure the votes were actually added into the totals at the end of the vote.
I'm all for inventing a better lightbulb, but maybe, just maybe, we might want to make sure it's actually better before we entrust it to millions of votes that will affect everyone's lives.
Then of course there's the example of the space pen. We spend tons of money to develop a super pen to write in space, the Russians took the easier route, they used a pencil. Sometimes more advanced isn't really better. (And yes I know the actual costs of the pen were insanely exagerated by the press.) - jefree, on 10/22/2007, -4/+25Wow. My country is on a dangerous path. I don't know about everyone else, but in the last five years I've become somewhat fearful and definetly less free. Scary stuff. Is it real or just overblown paranoia?
- bprevost21, on 10/22/2007, -8/+27Add this on top of the Military Commissions Act and now the government can pretty much do what they please with us.
- xGORDOx, on 10/12/2007, -37/+57Do you really think if Bush was a "dictator" or "hitler" he would have allowed the opposition to gain both houses? How many dictators or totalitarian governments allow their opposition parties to win elections.
The hate speech and anti-bush propaganda worked, Dems are in the House and the Senate. Now it's actually time to do something besides yelling the next stupid rhyming slogan. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24"It all comes down to safety vs. freedom, " The "safety" you refer to is false safety, and the opposite of saftey, when it's the government carrying out the terror.
So what it really comes down to is terrorism vs freedom. - knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -12/+29that's right. the founding fathers guaranteed us the right to bear arms for primarily the reason of avoiding tyrants.
long live the constitution of the united states of america.
i do not acknowledge any executive order or any bill signed by anyone complicit in the crimes that occured on september eleventh, two thousand one, that detracts from the whole of the constitution of the united states of america.
i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under the constitution, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. - baldr, on 10/22/2007, -4/+21I rarely digg anything political, but I find this important, and think it should be brought to more people's attention.
- farmboymdp, on 10/22/2007, -3/+20Those in power will do use any means necessary to stay in power. They can verbally hide behind words like "freedom", "general welfare", and others, but their actions will always speak the loudest.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20hehe we are the
"American Sheeple" - moxley, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23It may sound "wing nutty" but there is very real danger here. People who are going on about "Oh, the tin foil hats are out again" are just showing their ignorance of the current situation.
These camps have already been built all over the country. They have been built under the auspices of FEMA as "disaster relocation camps" and other supposed purposes. In 1999 during the anti globalization protests guess where masses of people were taken and held? One of these camps. Not the same thing as storing dissenters there en masse, but shows that these are not just for the statically stated purpose.
This has been a while in the making, and obviously I am not saying that everyone who works for FEMA and everyone in the government is in on some big conspiracy to concentrate dissenters into detention camps.
I first became aware of the executive orders and laws concerning national emergencies and the COG structure as well as many peripheries of the subjects listed above in the 90s and it was disturbing then, especially when we looked at a system that was set up outside of public eyes and away from true oversight. Scenarios were discussed at that time regarding how easily this could be misused, how it was basically a system that could allow a coup or any number of other things that are very much the antithesis of liberty and American values.
Once martial law in a national emergency state is declared your constitutional protections are suspended and none of it can be reviewed by congress or anybody else for 6 months.
Here is a list of some of the executive orders, and this doesn't even get into the stu8ff that has happened recently. If you value your liberty you should take this stuff seriously and be aware of these things - period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. - iamshades, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23hey ***** we didn't allow him to do it, he did it on his own.
we the people had no say
you really think we wanted habeas corpus gone?
*****.
think again. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"And what are all those guns going to do to help you against trained armed forces?
Nothing, thats what."
Holy ***** *****. And just who is killing our trained armed forces in Iraq? Do you think that they are ALL remnants of Saddam's army? Do you think they've ALL been through those fancy pants terrorist training camps?
Seriously ***** doubt it.
What a completely retarded attitude. - fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23You're in trouble as soon as they get you thinking we have to choose between safety and freedom.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+27For a maniacal dictator, Bush is taking his beating in the midterms remarkably well.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15This idea that lowly citizens, even armed, can't stand up to a trained military is utterly ridiculous. Did anyone here ever take a history class in their damn life? It sure as hell doesn't look like it...
Just over 200 years ago a bunch of farmers overcame the might of one of the best trained armies in the world. The result was America. Oh, how people forget... - enjourni, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Sigh. I know people are probably tired of Bush attacks, but seriously. Stories like this need to be heard.
I don't think people in the US even have any sort of clue about this kind of stuff. I could be wrong- maybe it's 2006 and because of the fast pace of news reporting, we just know more about what's always been going on in Washington. But every time I read a story about something like this that Bush has done, I wonder why people aren't out on the streets protesting. Do people even care about their rights any more? I guess not... even after everything that happened after 9/11, and all the laws that were past to kill basic civil freedoms, people still re-elected Bush. I guess it takes 7 years for people to finally figure out that the policies and laws being put in place are actually damaging. People don't seem to care, unless it affects them somehow directly. Well, now it is. (People will care in 10 years when Social Security is gone because of how badly we are in debt, I can tell you that much.)
All I can say is: read, people. Read, and understand. Don't just blind yourself by saying that so-and-so is a Democrat/Republican and so obviously must be lying. Don't ignore a message just because you don't like the one saying it. There are real evils going on with this administration, and people need to seriously start waking up and hearing about them. ("Pretty Please?") - LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@ curunir
"What a bunch of gullible maroons on this site! You guys will buy anything. This bill was a response to Katrina."
First of all, the fact that Katrina was botched (and plenty of blame was placed on local gov't too, by the way) doesn't provide justification for completely restructuring the chain of command in regards to the National Guard. Not to mention that I don't exactly remember the Bush administration *begging* the governor to send in the Guard, and the governor refusing -- so what would this have changed?
Secondly, if you believe this has no connection to the current administration's widespread efforts to grant the executive branch unprecedented levels of unchecked power -- if this is just a matter of giving the people what they want, as you say -- could you explain why it wasn't publicized, or apparently even announced? Seems like a considerable development. - thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Guns don't kill people, people kill people and monkeys do too [if they've got a gun].
- mesostinky, on 10/12/2007, -22/+33What the hell does that have to do with anything?
- smurfmaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@LiveFastDieOld
Not all states have machines that print out a paper trail. It's definetly not a myth. - exobyte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Remember that congress authorized this (and FDR's). Bush alone is not to blame.
- pilgrim3970, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"No, we wouldn't have freakin assault rifles and other useless guns that were never meant for civilian use."
DDosAttack,
And what do you think the right to keep and bear arms was meant for - hunting?
Guns are designed for one thing - to kill. Some do it more effectively than others but it's all the same. This right was left to us so that in the event that we faced a tyranical government, the citizens would be able to take back our freedoms as well as protecting them from outside invaders.
It also means that if faced with having my family's life threatened I have the means to protect them.
If it came to that, I'd much rather have an AK-47 or AR-15 at my disposal than simply a .22 pistol or 12 gauge shotgun. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Canada won't save you. It is to be a part of the North American Union.
"You're one of those crazy people. *sob*"
***** Google: North American Union
. . god damn it. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The democrats won't save you. The "left" and the "right" are hands of the same beast. That witch palosi is up there saying there will be no impeachment, there will be no investigations, NONE of the legislation will be reppealed, that the democrats are in faver of everything the neo-cons are.
- oogee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16@JonForThe Win
The safety/freedom choice is interesting. Bush claims terrorism is committed by those who hate freedom. He is therefore capitulating for the terrorists when he systematically removes the freedoms that America once cherished.
This cheap trick is the manner in which Bush discourages further acts of terrorism, not though meaningless but costly military campaigns. What cowardice! - smurfmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Secret enough that the majority of Americans don't know about it and mainstream media won't touch it.
- ETpro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I am a conservative, and I am stunned and disgusted by what the Bush administration has done. Limits on freedom. Limits on states rights. A Big Brother police state. Corporate welfare replacing welfare for the poor. The national debt pushed to over 8 trillion dollars.
Comparing Bush's power grab to FDR's imprisonment of Japanese Americans is quite a stretch. Granted most of the Japanese internees posed no threat to the USA. But among them there could potentially have been a 5th column. Maybe there was, and his move saved us from the damage it might have wrought. But the important differences are: They weren't sent of to secret CIA camps. They weren't rounded up and tortured or killed. They were released and their rights were restored after the war.
Perhaps Bush just wants these powers to protect us all from the bad guys. Perhaps not. But the important thing to see is that, should he choose to use his new powers to become a dictator, he could. What's more, some future leader could decide to use those powers to subvert democracy. Look through history. Terrorist have killed a tiny handful of people. In all of human history, more people have died from falling coconuts than from terrorist attacks. But fascist governments have slaughtered hundreds of millions.
It's time for true "conservatives" to wake up to our core values. We love freedom and libertarianism. We stand for states rights. We stand for fiscal responsibility. We believe in personal privacy. We don't want Big Brother looking out for us. We may be religious, but we don't want anyone else's brand of religion forced down our throats by government edict. We're happy to take care of our own affairs. And thank God we've stood for the right to bear arms. If Bush or any future despot chooses to use these new powers to try to enslave us, he'll need a BIG army. Because he'll be facing 100,000,000 armed Americans ready to take back their beloved land. - psbpv3o, on 10/22/2007, -6/+14Big brother is here!
- funhouse1970, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Would this be like FDR's concentration camps?"
Yes, in that they are both bad. FDR did good things and bad things; we can learn a lot from him.
"As Wallace's President, Franklin D. Roosevelt, said when he accepted his party's renomination in 1936 in Philadelphia, "...out of this modern civilization, economic royalists [have] carved new dynasties.... It was natural and perhaps human that the privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control over government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction.... And as a result the average man once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man...."
Speaking indirectly of the fascists that Wallace would directly name almost a decade later, Roosevelt brought the issue to its core: "These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power."
But, he thundered in that speech, "Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power!"
In 2004, we again stand at the same crossroad Roosevelt and Wallace confronted during the Great Depression and World War II. Fascism is again rising in America, this time calling itself "compassionate conservatism." The RNC's behavior today eerily parallels the day in 1936 when Roosevelt said, "In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for."
It's particularly ironic that the CEOs and lobbyists who run the Republican National Committee would have chosen to put Hitler's fascist face into one of their campaign commercials, just before they launched a national campaign against gays and while they continue to arrest people who wear anti-Bush T-shirts in public places.
President Roosevelt and Vice President Wallace's warnings have come full circle. Which is why it's so critical that this November we join together at the ballot box to stop this most recent incarnation of feudal fascism from seizing complete control of our nation."
- Thom Hartmann
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0719-15.htm
Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk radio show. www.thomhartmann.com. - h2gofast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well kids, he won't get away with a legal concentration camp as long as there is the second amendment. When Bush (or Hillary for that matter) tries to limit the second amendment, then we're *****.
- TheSmokingManX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8What I find extremely interesting in all of this is how close this is to how Kurtzweil said things would go down in The X-Files movie.
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