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washingtonpost.com — Add the "Presidential Records Act" to the list of laws the Bush Administration has broken.
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- atheinostic, on 01/19/2008, -10/+92How many laws do they have to break before we can begin impeachment proceedings?
- Strykar, on 01/19/2008, -5/+20One.
- lordmetroid, on 01/19/2008, -4/+11Like government would adhere to their own rules... Muhahahah, don't you get it? They are the government and you are not. They are better than you~!
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+7http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/law ...
More of a guideline, eh?
- Dugout21, on 01/19/2008, -7/+12If only....he would have been impeached about 10 times by now...
- netfool, on 01/19/2008, -6/+14Lets see here:
- "Bush's contempt for the law", 192 Diggs
- "The 5 Most Horrifying Bugs in the World", 4,298 Diggs
Judging by that, I'd say the Bush Administration could willingly admit they knew there were no WMDs, that they know & have known where Osama is the last 7 years, helped orchestrate the attack on the WTC, admit that they rigged two elections, admit they plan on rigging the next one, tell us they've had the cure for cancer but just didn't want to give it to us, have known about & frequently talk to aliens, Cheney's a alien, and...know how to stop ice cream from melting. That's what it would take. I think. 4,298 IS a lot of diggs though...- amightywind, on 01/19/2008, -13/+7I think there were WMD's, they were just cunningly hidden. (LO! A good enough excuse for muslim killin') How did President Bush rig the elections? By all counts the good President beat Gore in Florida by 500 votes, despite the criminal efforts by democratic operatives in the 'hanging chad fiasco'. President Bush is amazing.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/19/2008, -5/+7LO! WTF
And Bush cheated in the 2000 Presidential election. his campaign manager was placed in charge of removing invalid names off the Florida eligible voting list.
What she and Jeb Bush (George bush's Brother, and then Florida Govenor) was take lists of Texas inmates and remove 90% Black Florida voters from the list that had similar names. Statistically those people voted 80% Democrat.
These were tens of thousands of votes. 500 votes is a drop in the bucket.
This is one of the highest crimes that someone can commit against a democracy. The right to vote is the very most found priniciple of Democracy, the very core value of America. And they stole that right. That's why it's a crime.
Even if you voted Bush and you like what he's done... You cannot in your right mind stand for this.- amightywind, on 01/19/2008, -1/+2"his campaign manager was placed in charge of removing invalid names off the Florida eligible voting list."
Only to counter the quadrenial effort by the liberal elite to conduct massive voter registration fraud. Convicted felons can't vote, fool.
- amightywind, on 01/19/2008, -1/+2"his campaign manager was placed in charge of removing invalid names off the Florida eligible voting list."
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/19/2008, -5/+7LO! WTF
- woodprince, on 01/19/2008, -8/+2You missed a crime: Bush, Rove, Cheney, and unidentified Halliburton operatives teamed up to cause Hurricane Katrina, open the NOLA levees, and stop the crack NOLA police department from deploying. There are more crimes, too, that are occurring to me as I type this comment.
- mrferg, on 01/19/2008, -3/+2Eh, seeing hornets maul bees is more exciting than hearing about yet another breach of law by Bushco. Sad but true. Hornet / Bot Fly '08!
- yournightmare, on 01/19/2008, -3/+2Exactly. Seeing hornets wipe out a colony of bees is unusual. Bush committing a crime is not.
- amightywind, on 01/19/2008, -13/+7I think there were WMD's, they were just cunningly hidden. (LO! A good enough excuse for muslim killin') How did President Bush rig the elections? By all counts the good President beat Gore in Florida by 500 votes, despite the criminal efforts by democratic operatives in the 'hanging chad fiasco'. President Bush is amazing.
- expatcatalyst, on 01/19/2008, -4/+4Buried for being redundant. Go vote and make a difference! He will be gone soon anyway.
- dood, on 01/19/2008, -3/+3Just three more.
- lowerlogic, on 01/19/2008, -4/+4I'm pretty sure they've declared impeachment an act of terrorism, at least indirectly, though things like the "patriot" act.
- Strykar, on 01/19/2008, -5/+20One.
- AbortionsTickle, on 01/19/2008, -8/+30Umm..I think once they kill Jesus and call him gay, right about then will be sufficient (for Congress).
- cageybee, on 01/19/2008, -4/+3lol, lets frame him then
- bxblox, on 01/19/2008, -5/+4Theres nothing funny about killing gay jesus
- foomandoonian, on 01/19/2008, -5/+4Yeah, keep your hands off Gay Jesus!
- LukasSmith, on 01/19/2008, -2/+3http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/appendix/13233. ...
http://www.thisnation.com/question/040.html
the first link provides the executive order that President Bush gave in 2001 that gave him the right to do just what he has done, well if he even did. This could be just more leftist propaganda. The second link provides information about the executive order and how it has been used since the time of Washington by every president practically to bypass congress. But the right to give executive orders is given in the constitution as the second article will illustrate. I suppose you could do your research. But the facts are A. This executive order was written in 2001 and hasn't been overturned by congress. B. The president did not break any laws. C. almost every president including Clinton has used executive privilege to bypass the will of congress. So basically your whining about laws being broken when in fact none have.
- looking4truth, on 01/19/2008, -6/+34i think everything is ok... unless you be a blow job....
- looking4truth, on 01/19/2008, -4/+17i meant unless you get a blow job.... stupid keyboard.....
- Strykar, on 01/19/2008, -4/+10lawl blame the keyboard.
- msqueak, on 01/19/2008, -2/+10I think the problem was really in between the keyboard and chair.
- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 01/19/2008, -3/+8http://bash.org/?5300
- looking4truth, on 01/19/2008, -4/+17i meant unless you get a blow job.... stupid keyboard.....
- bill1328, on 01/19/2008, -6/+9you know what happens to tyrants, right?
- drunkentoad, on 01/19/2008, -5/+40In America, they usually get really, really rich and live happily ever after
- aockey, on 01/19/2008, -5/+14They get a 3rd term?
- michael1406, on 01/19/2008, -7/+4They usually get blown up with rocket launchers.
- randomerratum, on 06/10/2008, -2/+29Allright, you guys go ahead and impeach him now..... guys?
- PaulPinfield, on 01/19/2008, -4/+1Lets just short cut it. i'll start making the rope if someone else will buy the wood for the gallows...
- QueenDoc, on 01/19/2008, -5/+19if they haven't impeached him so far, what makes you think its gonna make a difference now?
- GrammarNazi3000, on 01/19/2008, -12/+3If* this is going to make*
- yournightmare, on 01/19/2008, -2/+5Worst...grammar...nazi...EVER.
- aussieNickuss, on 01/19/2008, -2/+3it's* going* (You're wrong GrammerNazi)
- GrammarNazi3000, on 01/19/2008, -12/+3If* this is going to make*
- PMG2007, on 01/19/2008, -17/+9it is just a little bit longer with him, then we will find new reasons to hate and make fun of the next president
- lhbaker, on 01/19/2008, -9/+10I wonder if that poor, isolated little puppet-dictator weeps at night when the meds finally wear off.
- soot, on 01/19/2008, -4/+23The level of passivity displayed by the Congress for almost the last decade has been stupefying.
- DodgeCity, on 01/19/2008, -1/+1Well would you want to go against the tide and risk losing a job where all you basically do is sit around, try to look important and intelligent without falling asleep, get special interest perks and lots of free money and receive a salary equal to a doctor?
There's one thing that's much more important to these people than doing the right thing... that's money.
Standing up for people and against criminals and putting their neck on the line for mankind doesn't even cross their self-serving minds.- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -0/+1I cannot imagine why you are getting dugg down.
- DodgeCity, on 01/19/2008, -1/+1Well would you want to go against the tide and risk losing a job where all you basically do is sit around, try to look important and intelligent without falling asleep, get special interest perks and lots of free money and receive a salary equal to a doctor?
- loggia, on 01/19/2008, -6/+20Why doesn't any journalist actually ASK someone who knows about computer archiving and data storage what the likelihood of losing this much data is?
(Answer: Zero).- dood, on 01/19/2008, -0/+8Zero? Accidents happen. That doesn't excuse them, but zero is definitely not the answer to your question.
- Izult, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5the chances of almost 7 years of data being completely destroyed or missing IS very slim. There comes a point where it's no longer an accident. We past that point a long time ago. Any honest IT professional will verify loggia's statement.
- atheinostic, on 01/19/2008, -2/+6It was actually more like 2 and a half years, but your point is still valid.
- PaulPinfield, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4I'm with you on this.
- mcquitty, on 01/19/2008, -0/+0Ask Clinton.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/0 ...
Sure, not as long, but it happened.- mcquitty, on 01/19/2008, -0/+0Ask Clinton.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/0 ...
Sure, not as long, but it happened.
- mcquitty, on 01/19/2008, -0/+0Ask Clinton.
- Izult, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5the chances of almost 7 years of data being completely destroyed or missing IS very slim. There comes a point where it's no longer an accident. We past that point a long time ago. Any honest IT professional will verify loggia's statement.
- dood, on 01/19/2008, -0/+8Zero? Accidents happen. That doesn't excuse them, but zero is definitely not the answer to your question.
- Dugout21, on 01/19/2008, -4/+12Incredible. He can do whatever he damn well pleases.
- dizilbdog, on 01/19/2008, -4/+7Anybody Notice when the Feds were giving the Speech about the Economy that there was Ehm Another Conference that 3,000 more Troops were sent to Afghanistan.... Interesting
- MadN, on 01/19/2008, -5/+6"Impeachment is off the table"
Is a recall of Nancy Pelosi "off the table"?
I am starting to think Connecticut was right with the Secession plan...- atheinostic, on 01/19/2008, -2/+2Steny Hoyer and Jack Murtha are next in line behind Pelosi. Hoyer is a DLC-esque corporate shrill and Murtha has ethics issues. Sadly, we're better off with Pelosi.
- pimpofpixels, on 01/19/2008, -4/+9How guilty do they have to act before we start to treat them accordingly?
- pushmouse, on 01/19/2008, -4/+6In order for them to be guilty they need to be Democrats. Otherwise its not illegal. Seems that way anyhow.
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 01/19/2008, -1/+3"How guilty do they have to act before we start to treat them accordingly?"
You just need to cry bigger tears, Nancy, and IT WILL HAPPEN!
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -13/+2So are you people honestly suggesting that the white house IT guy in charge of backing up the mail server has been secretly deleting the backups because Bush told him to? Has anyone here ever met a government IT guy? They're not exactly geniuses.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+5There's a law stating 'backup Presidential and Vice Presidential email. Period.' Here's an "IT Guy" with a Tape Backup scheme: "Durrr... I wonder what all these backup tapes are for? I'll just use one... over and over and over... durrrr. I get paid monies." They also have auditors that somehow missed the backups not capturing these email messages? The backups suddenly started picking up around October 2003 during the Plame scandal? What great timing. Wouldn't want to appear like you were trying to hide--wait, uh oh.
Know what would help? If the White House actually said how they screwed up; that'd require them to admit something went wrong, first.- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -3/+2Having worked with government contractors before, I can tell you with 100% confidence that that is EXACTLY how they act. You would not believe the tales of incompetence I could tell you. Also, keep in mind that these are CONTRACTORS... not members of the Bush administration... not GOP operatives... they're contractors. It is entirely possible that an engineer would see a 6 year old backup tape sitting on a shelf and say "we don't need this one anymore... I'll just reuse it." Because these are, first and foremost, EMERGENCY backups. Keeping the system up and running is the primary goal.
And it doesn't matter WHEN this happened. No matter which backups were lost, you would always find some political event that coincides with it and concoct a new conspiracy theory. If it happened in 2004, you'd say he was covering up election fraud. If it happened in 2001, you'd say he was covering up for 9/11. If it happened in 2005 you'd say he was covering up for Scooter Libby. You are so consumed with hatred that you try to pin as much garbage on him as possible, no matter how stupid or baseless it is.- jaxcs, on 01/19/2008, -2/+4This isn't hatred. This is disbelief. What I can't understand is why you think the claim to incompetence is reasonable. All organizations have retention policies, for the white house, retention of their records is actually a matter of law. I find it difficult to believe that an IT dept is unaware of it's own mandate. I don't know how much the presidential IT guys make but it has got to be a pretty plum assignment. we're not talking about IT support for the Kansas botanical society here, this is the white house. Aside from this, the secrecy the administration has exercised has exhausted most people's patience. It seems altogether too convenient. That is, except for true believers like yourself.
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -1/+2>> What I can't understand is why you think the claim to incompetence is reasonable.
I said nothing of the sort. It is not reasonable. It was a major screw up and it is excusable. But only a paranoid delusional would immediately jump to the conclusion that it was deleted intentionally for the purpose of covering up a crime, then refuse to accept any other scenario. It's not rational. Especially since the only evidence you have is speculation from an anti-Bush reporter based on something he heard third hand regarding a subject he knows very little about. When conservatives talk about "Bush Derangement Syndrome", this is exactly the kind of thing they're referring to.
I've been running a data center for years. It's a pain in the ass. Servers break, databases get corrupted, people break procedures, engineers get hired and fired, people type wrong commands, and stuff gets accidentally deleted all the time. The most likely scenario was that this was an accident. But if you are insisting that it's some kind of elaborate government conspiracy designed to cover up some unnamed crime, I have to question your sanity.- yournightmare, on 01/19/2008, -2/+1There must be a lot of paranoid delusionals on Digg then, because you're getting buried like a *****! Or maybe you're just wrong.
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -0/+0It's not that there are that many paranoid delusionals on digg, but these types of threads seem to attract them.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -2/+4"You are so consumed with hatred that you try to pin as much garbage on him as possible, no matter how stupid or baseless it is."
And you're consumed with some sort of crusade to put "people like me" in my place. As I said, if the White House could posit a reasonable explanation on how their IT Dept just happened to lose 2.5 YEARS worth of email that is mandated by law be kept as a backup, then that'd be a nice step towards the thought they're not criminals. What is more likely, however, is that they'll try to put this issue to rest quietly and pretend it never happened, or fire someone and promise it won't happen again without saying what, exactly, went wrong in the first place.
Like the source said, though, the investigation is, as the White House said, still underway. We'll have to wait, it seems, even though it's been a few years since the problem was seemingly resolved. Apparently they just didn't care 2.5 years worth of email went missing. *Shrug* We'll see what unfolds. - atheinostic, on 01/19/2008, -2/+3lead2thehead, you raise a valid point that accidents are inevitable. However, in this case accidents don't figure into the equation. When Bush took office, the IT system already in place was set up so that backups would be kept indefinately. Someone in the Bush Administration changed that policy so that the backup tapes would be re-used after a certain amount of time, and this policy remained in place until late 2003 when someone made a point of it.
It is clear that they didn't want permanent records, otherwise they wouldn't have changed the backup policy.
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -3/+2Having worked with government contractors before, I can tell you with 100% confidence that that is EXACTLY how they act. You would not believe the tales of incompetence I could tell you. Also, keep in mind that these are CONTRACTORS... not members of the Bush administration... not GOP operatives... they're contractors. It is entirely possible that an engineer would see a 6 year old backup tape sitting on a shelf and say "we don't need this one anymore... I'll just reuse it." Because these are, first and foremost, EMERGENCY backups. Keeping the system up and running is the primary goal.
- drakethegreat, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4Yes incompetence the perfect reason to break the law....
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -3/+1There is a big difference between accidentally deleting something and intentionally doing it to cover up illegal activity.
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -1/+1Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Would you like to deal with the statistical likelihood of THIS much incompetence? Buried for ludicrous denial of reality.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+5There's a law stating 'backup Presidential and Vice Presidential email. Period.' Here's an "IT Guy" with a Tape Backup scheme: "Durrr... I wonder what all these backup tapes are for? I'll just use one... over and over and over... durrrr. I get paid monies." They also have auditors that somehow missed the backups not capturing these email messages? The backups suddenly started picking up around October 2003 during the Plame scandal? What great timing. Wouldn't want to appear like you were trying to hide--wait, uh oh.
- FoxFaction, on 01/19/2008, -5/+5Do you think in his head he is ashamed of what he is doing at all? I don't even know if I should give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.
- timbo458, on 01/19/2008, -5/+2NO!
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5No. Remember the 2004 election debates? "Can you name a mistake made in your first four years?" "*Awkward pause as usual* No." Don't hold your breath.
- eviscero, on 01/19/2008, -12/+7lol you demtards are powerless.
- drakethegreat, on 01/19/2008, -6/+4You ***** will soon bite the dust
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 01/19/2008, -3/+3Have you always hated Jews?
- lhbaker, on 01/19/2008, -5/+3Not for long. We're not so stupid as to close these legal loopholes before we've given a few republicans a good public ass *****. Then we nail then shut before power changes hands. Prepare to eat liberal ***** for sixteen years.
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -0/+0YES.
- drakethegreat, on 01/19/2008, -6/+4You ***** will soon bite the dust
- dkern, on 01/19/2008, -6/+5Law- what ***** law...I'm the decider...I'm the decider! or:
It would make things a lot easier if it were a dictatorship... just as long as I'm the dictator... hehhehehehe... ***** off Magog! - timbo458, on 01/19/2008, -7/+7Four years is a mistake, but how could the American public elect him to do another four years of DAMAGE?!
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 01/19/2008, -2/+4Um, did you see the doofus that the Democrats put on the ballet?
- CelloZach, on 01/19/2008, -3/+1We didn't elect him to begin with. Gore got more votes. Oh wait...
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -1/+0SELECTED. By election fraud. See 2000.
- AlienMushroom, on 02/21/2008, -5/+8I'm suspecting GWB is a Taliban spy.
- PaulPinfield, on 01/19/2008, -3/+1Now I know where Mulla Omar is hiding.
- StarWarsFan, on 01/19/2008, -5/+6"There is much cause for outrage over the White House's brazen disregard for federal public records law, which may well have resulted in the destruction of millions of official e-mails..... The law is clear that e-mails sent and received by anyone in the White House -- just like all official White House documents -- should be instantaneously and automatically archived."
Time for the Bush Administration to switch to Gmail. - crazywarthog, on 01/19/2008, -12/+5The loony left is so funny !
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -2/+0If only the fascist Refug right were amusing!
- Sunuva, on 01/19/2008, -6/+5I sure hope this doesn't end up coming down on some poor IT guy's head because he was just trying to save money on backup tapes.
- Infowarmachine, on 01/19/2008, -4/+7is anyone still under the delusion that our government is run by our representatives for us?
its run by criminals and murderers with no respect for us, or the law- mmmmmbiscuits, on 01/19/2008, -5/+3Why should they respect you? You're obviously a dope.
- amightywind, on 01/19/2008, -10/+5I wouldn't be worried about the baseless accusations of this left wing nutter or those who inhabit digg's leftist fever swamps. Blame it on Micro$oft and their wretched software. President Bush has done an exemplary job, God bless him!
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5He tapped your phone secretly without permission from the Justice department.
He gave the government the right to arrest anyone, without need of cause, without charge, without access to legal counsel, indefinitely.
His vice president had lawyers from leading oil conglomerates rewrite portions of environmental protection law.
He invaded another country without provocation, while withholding proof of immediate threat due to "national security" concerns. And then that information turned out to be wrong, or stretched thin, exaggerated, or falsified.
He fired federal attorneys because they refused to investigate his political rivals on mere order of Bush, and without any evidence of crime.
He granted himself and his staff retroactive immunity for crimes commited relating to prisoner abuse, all while assuring people he committed no crime.
He has sanctioned the use of torture at an American run prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Which is in violation of the Geneva conventions, and as result has recently landed the United States on the International Torture Watchlist along with Iran and others.
He is suspected of running secret prisons in east europe outside the view of the public and outside the reach of American law.
So... are you absolutely ***** insane?- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -4/+3Hello.
I'm an attention whore.
I press the enter key TWICE after every sentence.
That way, my posts will take up more room on your screen.
And you are more likely to see it.
Nobody pays attention to me in real life.- PaulPinfield, on 01/19/2008, -2/+3Thanks for the resume.
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2We know you are, but what are we?
- PaulPinfield, on 01/19/2008, -2/+3Thanks for the resume.
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -4/+3Hello.
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -2/+1An exemplary job of destroying this country. You are pitiable.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5He tapped your phone secretly without permission from the Justice department.
- tufftugg, on 01/19/2008, -4/+10You Americans sure have a problem. Which makes one wonder, why your running around the World spreading something that is not working for yourself.
- protium, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4You mean like Christianity? spreading the name of god in exchange for land? well buddy, democracy is the new Christianity, and who ever has oil, we'll make sure they're have a 'democracy'.
- ampersand2001, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5hooray for the american people not giving a flying *****!!!!!!!!!! wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
- BuzzDiggity, on 01/19/2008, -3/+3bush continues to personify a cowboy from the wild wild west.... watch out folks, bush is the sheriff in town
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -2/+0bush is the fat stupid sheriff, alas. it's the ***** cowboys in black hats behind him who do the real damage.
- BuzzDiggity, on 01/19/2008, -4/+2bush continues to personify a cowboy from the wild wild west.... watch out folks, bush is the sheriff in town
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -5/+5Bush's contempt for the law? Because a 6 year old backup tape was accidentally overwritten? Only a paranoid delusional would immediately jump to the conclusion that those backups were intentionally overwritten for the purpose of covering up a crime, then refuse to accept any other scenario. This is what conservatives refer to as "Bush Derangement Syndrome". This whole "scandal" is based purely on speculation from an anti-Bush reporter about something he heard third hand regarding a subject he knows very little about.
No, no, nooohooohooo.... they could not have possibly overwritten a 6 year old backup accidentally. Bush's staff is infallible! They are criminal masterminds and they do not make mistakes... especially the Microsoft Exchange Server tape backup guy. This is obviously an elaborate government conspiracy designed to cover up some crime he committed. We're on to you, President HITLER!
You people are loony.- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4Read this: http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/law ...
Whose responsibility is it that the records be kept? Whose? "Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President."
Why is it stupid that a "6 year old backup tape" be "accidentally overwritten?" Keep reading: "Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration..." You're saying we should be able to access the information 13 whole years after Bush's first term began? You don't say. That's the law, too? I'm shocked.
This doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but get off your high horse. Someone screwed up and unless the White House is willing to answer why and provide assurance it will never happen again, why shouldn't they be held accountable to the LAW? Or, as I said earlier, is it all just more of a "guideline?" The law... a guideline. How quaint.- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/law ...
DIGG... Don't make me come over there! /jk - lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -0/+0>> Someone screwed up and unless the White House is willing to answer why and provide assurance it will never happen again, why shouldn't they be held accountable to the LAW?
You are absolutely right... and you totally refuted a point that I never made. Of course they screwed up and of course they should be held accountable. But to immediately assume that Bush TOLD them to do it, then claim it's proof that Bush has contempt for the law when there is nothing suggest that Bush even knew about it?... that's a sign of mental illness. Yes, they screwed up... but you guys are jumping to some pretty ridiculous conclusions about how and why it happened.- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -0/+1More like recognizing blatant felonies, high crimes, misdemeanors, and fraud when the stench from them is so overwhelming that we live in the Augean stables. Cleansing coming soon. You should move to a suitably fascist right-wing state. Try the Middle East.
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/law ...
- protium, on 01/19/2008, -3/+3you recall Roves harddrive WIPEEEEE???
- yournightmare, on 01/19/2008, -3/+3And yet I have the feeling that somehow, the IRS will NEVER have records of people owing them money accidentally deleted. And I can't imagine a major company accidentally deleting 6-year-old backups of accounts receivable. In fact, I can't recall ever hearing about any other government entity or major corporation accidentally deleting ANY significant amount of required backups. Have you? But I guess it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the first time we hear about it, and it's a White House administration that has demonstrably and in actual fact repeatedly sidestepped the law for the past seven years, a White House that has repeatedly done shady ***** and lied to the public, it's really just an accident that all that data got deleted. Data required by law to keep. Data that the White House long ago established sound IT policies for. Data that no other White House has managed to lose since the law was enacted 30 ***** years ago.
Yep, people sure are being unreasonable when they think something is up.- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -1/+1>> I can't recall ever hearing about any other government entity or major corporation accidentally deleting ANY significant amount of required backups. Have you?
Rotating through backup tapes is pretty standard procedure, actually. When you're restoring a system from a backup, a 6 year old tape won't do you much good. Also, major corporations are a lot better at this sort of thing than the government is because they are able to hire and fire employees at will. It is damn near impossible to get fired from a government job no matter how incompetent you are.
>> a White House that has repeatedly done shady ***** and lied to the public
And every time the Bush-haters claim that, it's based on speculation and ridiculous assumptions, just like this "scandal". It's so common, conservatives have decided to give it a name... "Bush Derangement Syndrome". For every scandal you name, I can poke a thousand holes in it.
>> Data that no other White House has managed to lose since the law was enacted 30 ***** years ago.
Yes, because I'm sure there were laws regarding EMAIL 30 ***** years ago.- atheinostic, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2The procedure in place when Bush took office was to use new tapes rather than to re-use backup tapes. Someone made the decision to change that procedure when Bush took office.
- lead2thehead, on 01/19/2008, -1/+1>> I can't recall ever hearing about any other government entity or major corporation accidentally deleting ANY significant amount of required backups. Have you?
- StarlessKnight, on 01/19/2008, -3/+4Read this: http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/law ...
- LoneRanger85, on 01/19/2008, -5/+1One of you people is going to have to make a citizen's arrest. I suggest you get a shotgun, a sword, and start walking toward the White House...
- MaceSoul, on 01/19/2008, -5/+1Meh. Whatever.
- beasticus, on 01/19/2008, -3/+2Please America, wake up and stop this fool Bush. The world is watching, and those, with brains, are wondering what the hell is going on , and why Bush and/or Cheney are not being exposed for the criminals they are. How can your country be respected, when the leaders show no regard for law anywhere on the planet.
- R2DeeDoo, on 01/19/2008, -4/+1the fact that he's not impeached shows how much the bastards control the country, the house, the everything. who impeached Clinton for a blowjob and some man fun?
- Lachlan91, on 01/19/2008, -4/+1Don't worry. Jack Bauer will save us.
- TheShadowKnows, on 01/19/2008, -3/+3It's not the law Bush has contempt for. It's other people.
He's a sociopath, it's the nature of the disease. (Specifically, he suffers from Antisocial Personality Disorder, DSM-IV code 301.7). That's not a defense of his behavior, just the clue for how the rest of us treat it.
Read the following and see if it describes any Presidents (and any countries) you know:
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx7.htm
Human consciousness is self-similar, which means that all parts of the system reflect each other. And *that* means everything we see - bad and good - must also have something to do with us (otherwise we wouldn't, couldn't, see it). It's just the nature of consciousness.
So the way to start to heal America is for us to stop acting like the problem is someone else (that's the behavior of a sociopath), ask ourselves the question "How have *I* contributed to this situation?" and take both some responsibility and some action.
It's unreasonable to expect the mentally ill parts of our government or our ourselves to be part that cures the illness. Only the healthy parts can do that.
Bush isn't the whole illness, he's just a symptom, and we need to treat the illness as well as the symptom. And the collective sociopathology is the belief that the problem is other people, not us. So that's what we need to change.
Happily, if we all did that just a little, we really would heal the problem. - crazywarthog, on 01/19/2008, -2/+2The loony left makes me laugh !
- jsmu, on 01/19/2008, -1/+1Just for 'lead2thehead'...incorrect handle, btw, should be 'leadNthehead'...
For every asinine attempt at a riposte you make I can name you a thousand MORE scandals. All true. No point in even starting, with the kind of psychotic sectarian denial you live for.
Your day is over, moron. Get ready for utter disenfranchisement. Oops, too many polysyllables for you, right? YOU'RE DONE, *****. - 30somethinDad, on 01/19/2008, -2/+2Something is very wrong with our government. It is up to 'We the People' to change it. That is why I will vote for Ron Paul and you should also.
- schallb, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1It's a joke that this thing and all his cronnies are still in office.
- meanrabbit, on 01/25/2008, -0/+1The only way to beat them is to resist as best you can. Even in small ways, makes a big difference. I was in the bank the other day and a couple were trying to cash a check, they could'nt because of the "Patriot Act" stated the brainwashed teller, they had do whatever the bank said, like slaves, because they obviously needed their money. It was sad to watch what we have become.
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