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- xekko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49July 2004, US House calls Darfur 'genocide': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3918765.stm
But no longer... "right now there is very little fighting in Darfur"... so no more genocide!
All we have to do to stop genocide is stick our head in the sand til the killing has stopped! What brilliant logic. - MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47I'm pretty sure "all this" means lying, genocide, apathy...
- jamie1415, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50I am so sick of all this...
- theheadguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Google Earth is taking action. Here is the link: http://www.ushmm.org/googleearth/projects/darfur/
The entire world can now see the death and destruction for themselves. But of course, "there is very little violence happening right now."
This administration needed to leave 6 years ago. - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21It can't be genocide when there's no one left to kill.
- Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17This is insane! Why don't we do anything to end the conflict?! People are being killed everyday! We should go in there and destroy the central government and create a democracy with a pro-western president and occupy the country until it has sufficient security to not degenerate into a civil war....wait nevermind
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17the bush doctrine: it's true as long as you keep repeating it. you can't fool all of the people all of the time, only about 30%
- EndersGame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13And people tell me the inhabitants of Iraq needed liberating. They always fail to mention people only need liberating when it fits our agenda.
- MrTonic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17What he meant was that: "There is no oil in Darfur".
- turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12it's like the wait and see strategy for cancer.
- theheadguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13^ "legally obligated"?
What the ***** are you talking about Votamil? Sometimes I wonder if you morons think nobody is going to realize what complete ***** comes out of your mouths. The Bush administration has used the ***** tactic since they got into office. Guess what? It's not working anymore. So do us a favor and shut the ***** up. - jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You would be surprised how easy it is to fool people simply by repeating something over and over...
Note: those of you who have read a city in winter may remember the paper... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Eh? It was the Americans who were the driving force behind categorising the Darfur slaughter as genocide and attempts to actually do something about it. Of course, they were blocked at the UN by China, Russia, Islamic countries etc.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10He had to speak up over all the spin. Why did the ambassador find the words "yes" or "no" so hard to say in just one syllable?
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8" the ambassador seemed to be the only mature person there."
That's because the mustach threw you off. - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6do they intentionally do this? its like they are trying to keep everyone's jaws on the ground for as long as possible. insanity.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5In Break With U.N., Bush Calls Sudan Killings Genocide
Thursday, June 2, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/01/AR2005060101725.html
I don't know what thinkprogress.org's angle is but they are probably spinning the story as usual to make Bush look bad. Keep drinking the kool-aid. - votamli, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11For once the Bush Administration official is agreeing with the International Community!
Remember this headline "Sudan's Darfur crimes not genocide, says UN report" from 2005?
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/story/0,14658,1402997,00.html
The reason why the Bush Administration cant call it genocide is because if they declare it so, this would make the US legally obligated to intervene despite UN, China, Russia and the Arab League's position against it. Make not doubt about it: We are appeasing them. Hurray for International Tests! Like Kerry said. - Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually during the the Spanish civil war many people actually did that. Americans, British, Canadians all left to Spain and joined the armed forces there. Anyone who complains but does nothing is full of *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"They always fail to mention people only need liberating when it fits our agenda."
It's the same for both sides of the aisle. Neither Dems nor Repubs have any qualms about putting our boys in harm's way...they only slightly differ on where to send them.
Screw them both and vote ALL the bastards out.
PS: if you haven't figured out yet, I don't think we should be the world's policeman in ANY situation. We need to fix THIS country first. - RubyTuesday, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"its like they are trying to keep everyone's jaws on the ground for as long as possible"
That way the don't have to lift the shovels full of ***** as high. - Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The really, really sad thing is that the government seems to think that if they ignore a genocide for long enough, it will stop. The even sadder thing is that they are right.
- edgeoforever, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Still manufacturing reality, I see...
- ccc3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Dumbledorito
Probably because he is the ambassador to Sudan and his entire job is based on his ability to communicate with the Sudanese government, who have been accused of supporting the conflict. It seems clear to me that Senator Menendez, for the purposes of political grandstanding, put an American diplomat in a position where he was forced to alienate those he must communicate with.
To be sure, any support of the violence in Darfur by the Sudanese government is deplorable, but the situation will only be made worse if our ability to communicate with the Sudanese government is destroyed. - trjames, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was actually in Sudan from late January until late March doing salvage archaeological work on a dam that's being build near the city of Kariema. I was interested to hear the Sudanese perspective on Darfur.
The ordinary Sudani view is that this is a conflict that's been going on for centuries. Nomadic herders v. sedentary farmers, a conflict that has been ought thousands of times throughout the world, very similar to The 19th century US conflicts between farmers and ranchers in the Great Plains. These people have been fighting since essentially the beginning of agriculture in the region.
The big problem, in their eyes, is that a rebel faction among the sedentary farmers attacked a government installation, leading to the government retaliating by arming the nomads, giving them free reign to destroy any who may have been involved in those attacks. This has lead to wholesale slaughter of the sedentary people by the nomads. To the ordinary Sudani, the conflict has very little to do with the government, but more to do with the control of land among warring tribal entities (what tribe a person belongs to is a very important aspect of who a person is in the Sudan, even today and even in the big cities). They definitely do not think of it as a genocide.
The views of those who I talked to may be biased of course, as they live over 500 miles from Darfur, and the government has a fairly tight grip on local media, but even in small isolated villages of 50 people like the one I lived in there are generators that run for two hours a day, TVs and satellite dishes, they get CNN, Al Jazira and a large number of other news stations, they know what's going on, and they know Sudan. Also they are very confused at why the international community is so interested in Darfur, when the world as a whole ignored their recent civil war, which was much bloodier and which killed millions of civilians and almost as many militants.
Almost all of the Sudanis I met say that they greatly dislike and distrust their government (they never say this in public of course, only behind closed doors, and only after I confided to them that almost all of the Americans I know do not like Bush and his policies, "this is something we have in common then we both dislike our governments!" as one says), but they believe that this is one case where the government is not at fault.
I reserve judgment on the issue of genocide, as I didn't make it to Darfur, but I thought that this might add a little interest to the conversation. - Domza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How many incompetent, pig headed morons can one administration have?
Seriously? - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3IDIOT
- fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ask Kanye West.
- speezer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I don't want any more of my tax money going to protect people in other countries until they do something real to secure our borders and enforce the existing laws.
- krunk4ever, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1They're actually making a documentary on what's going on with Darfur, hopefully to spread the knowledge to more people:
http://www.hd-trailers.net/preview.php?id=darfur_n ... - alkaline3217, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You're right. Thinkprogress.org probably has a somewhat left-slanted view. But its kinda hard to argue with that transcript, on top of the fact that anymore, it doesn't take a whole lot to make GW look bad. he has a habit of taking care of that all on his own.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Are you suggesting the US invade a sovereign nation. I thought liberals decided that was a no no without UN approval.
- nigh7dagger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Which is why they're not doing anything. After Iraq it would be even worse political suicide than usual to enter a war that will have guerilla-style fighting.
- danconia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The senator asking the questions has some pretty good patience. About 15 seconds into the video I would have made a big scene if I were him... slamming the fist on the desk, pointing, and eventually cutting off the douchebags mic.
Apparently simple questions are hard to answer these days. - dennisbier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Maybe something to do with the increasing influence of China in Africa? Is the US cowering to the new superpower??? http://weekendeconomist.blogspot.com/2006/12/3-africa-chinas-training-ground.html
- phroph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He should have said,
"I understand that you retracted your comment from the Georgetown paper, however this still doesn't answer my question and with out a direct response i can only assume that your opinion is the same as your original comment in the newspaper. So if you would care to clarify, is there a genocide going on in Darfur?" - olik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's a fair question. Whether or not what is going on is a genocide is essentially a definitional question, a legal conclusion, and instead of drawing a conclusion the ambassador recited the evidence.
- saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1#1 Stop blaming Bush for not hotly pursuing these genocides and civil wars. Either we are the worlds police force, or we are not. You want us all over the world, or you don't. It's an arguement that can't be one as most people are complaining we shouldn't be in Iraq, but somehow we do belong here. Lose-Lose situation.
#2 Standard foreign policy. Let's talk about this place called Mogadishu in Somalia. Remember how fast Clinton yanked troops out of there to preserve his precious approval rating? Bosnia? Tonga? Hey, the UN ethics council hasn't condemned it, so why should we. Oh, and isn't it convienent that Sudan is on that ethics council.
#3 Let someone else in the world pick up this torch. The US is not the only frigging country in the world. Hey, France, piss off your populace by helping these people out and get mucked into international politics for a change.
Damn shame. I can't remember how much I saved up and donated to all the Ethiopia relief funds back in the 80's as a kid. Guess it didn't do a damn bit of good though. - SirBarnes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Africa was very wealth before the Europeans and Americans arrived to plunder the planet. Europeans and Americans are rich because they stole from Africans.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would like to be an optimist and hope that things have gotten better there, which might explain the ambassador's statement. I don't think the Bush admin is performing any sort of cover-up on this based on their past statements. If thinkprogress.org has evidence the ambassador is wrong about the current situation, I'd like to see it
- SirBarnes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Berkshire Hathaway's shareholders voted to continue support of the genocide in Darfur
http://sheldonbarnes.blogspot.com/2007/05/berkshire-hathaways-shareholders-voted.html
Follow the money trail to see why the United States claims to be a fervent defender of human rights, but refuses to intervene in Darfur and any other genocide that happens in Africa. - stickyboot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, I don't necessarily agree with that mans assement of the Darfur situation, the senator asking the questions was dropping some seriously unmoral fallacies on the guy (Turing that kind of question into a black and white issue).
- olik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ccc3 You seem to mistake his role for that of an advocate. He works for US, not Sudan.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bush is just following Congress's lead of not deploying troops without a timetable for withdrawal.
- MrUnderbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"He had to speak up over all the spin. Why did the ambassador find the words "yes" or "no" so hard to say in just one syllable?"
I don't know, I don't particularly like it when some grandstanding ***** asks loaded 'yes' or 'no' questions. I certainly think the situation over there is a great deal more complex than a one-syllable answer. Do remember this person is an ambassador - do you think making angry declarations is going to make diplomacy easier there?
Another way of looking at it is, who the ***** cares what you label it, millions of people are dying. - adarkmethod, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2that man sucks ass as an ambassador, I figured surely they'd atleast get someone who was literate for the job... even in the Bush white house
- tmessing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2He's staying consistent with the Clinton administration....poor people of Sudan.
- tituspullo71, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1africa needs to sink or swim on it's own. most of the population has aids and is dying anyway.
- ksadya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1black is white, bad is good (1984).
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