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Bush Trampled on Fundamental Rights in the Name of National Security

reuters.com — A judicial branch has told the administration that it may not trample on fundamental rights in the name of national security. President Bush's broad assertions of power in his war on terrorism are under assault by U.S. judges who have rejected his indefinite imprisonment of enemy combatants and the domestic spying program.

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  • readthis, on 10/11/2007, -14/+74As presidential candidate Ron Paul points out, Bush's terror legislation comes with the price of loss of individual liberties.

    Since Bush's policies don't work, it is time to do a complete turn around--abolish the Patriot Act, the Military Act, the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (which gives the president control of all three branches of government during a catastrophic emergency) and every other act that gives government unchecked powers to spy on the American people, and arrest, detain and torture them.

    And don't forget--restore habeas corpus now. Congress never declared war and there was no reason to suspend it, and without it we the people are not safe from potential government abuse.
    • dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -8/+22plans to take over in an 'emergency' and put everyone in concentration camps ..
      have been around for a long time
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

      Seems like they are getting closer every day.
    • ZWarren69, on 10/11/2007, -17/+13Ron Paul is the man!
    • brianbb98, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24omg i would just be happy to bring my own soda through security without being harrassed..

      come on, if they wanted to blow up a plane theres much easier ways. i worked in airline catering for a year and you guys wouldnt believe how easy it would be to sneak things on planes... this is all a joke.
    • InetRoadkill, on 10/11/2007, -4/+48Those who surrender essential liberty in exchange for temporary safety deserve neither.
      -- Benjamin Franklin
    • twertyto, on 10/11/2007, -17/+4Ualuealuealeuale
      -- Batman
    • rderveloy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6@ readthis
      "Since Bush's policies don't work, it is time to do a complete turn around--abolish the Patriot Act, the Military Act, the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (which gives the president control of all three branches of government during a catastrophic emergency) and every other act that gives government unchecked powers to spy on the American people, and arrest, detain and torture them."

      Am I the only one to interpret this to mean that if Bush's policies did work, we wouldn't be trying to restore our freedoms? That's pretty scary when you think about it. Back when these laws were being passed, there wasn't much opposition and Bush could do no wrong. Now that the political climate has changed, and it's become politically safe for judges and politicians to voice their opposition, the government is conveniently starting to make thing right again.

      Where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, that's right:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment#The_Internment_ends
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -17/+0Why should I and a million other Americans be put at risk so Mr. al-Marri can enjoy an individual right?
      Is the new liberal motto, "I'm gettin' mine, to hell with the rest of you?"
      The 4th Circuit full panel should overturn this decision.


      Those who surrender national security for a temporary right deserve neither.
      - Bonhoeffer
    • Keach, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Bush Trampled on Fundamental Rights in the Name of National Security? ... No Way Man.
    • geekee, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4"Those who surrender essential liberty in exchange for temporary safety deserve neither.
      -- Benjamin Franklin"

      Why don't you tell that to an Iraqi? This statement is nonsense. Security is an essential component of liberty. That is what separates a libertarian from an anarchist. Libertarians believe the govt. should run a police force and court system to protect individual rights. If you can't leave your house because you are afraid of being shot, you do not have liberty to begin with.
    • Lewie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@bonhoeffer

      If you want your liberties revoked to attain "safety", you can move to Singapore. They have some of the safest streets in the world. And lucky for you, the ban on chewing gum has been lifted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_ban_in_Singapore#History). I just hope you don't miss a couple freedoms you might take for granted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore)

      As for me, I'd like my freedoms intact. You will never escape from terrorists or violence. Why give up your freedoms for a false sense of security? I thought conservatives were realists...
    • cyberstall, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@geekee

      I live in the United States, and I'm afraid for my life with this douchebag in control, is that enough for you? Maybe I can sue this administration for massive depression.
    • CoolioVendetta, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1@brianbb98

      The foiled terror attacks in England were planning on smuggling chemicals on the plane using water bottles.
    • ClosedCaption, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Those who surrender national security for a temporary right deserve neither.
      - Bonhoeffer

      Temporary? Wow now even the fore fathers are being dismissed for this idiot i.e. Bush. Trust me I've worked Temporary jobs before and none last more than 100 years or so. /snark

      CoolioVendetta said: The foiled terror attacks in England were planning on smuggling chemicals on the plane using water bottles.

      The foiled terror attacks that were just some dummies wet dream? You mean that foiled attack that was still in the "planning stages"? I heard they also planned to use the Jedi Force choke too.

  • dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -13/+18How much more of Adolf Hitler .. I mean George Bush are you Americans going to take ?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2235455191538141308&q=police+state+3&total=1114&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
    • meshman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+42It's being implented too slow to notice. It's like putting together a puzzle without a completed picture. You don't know exactly what you'll be left with until enough of the pieces are put into place. You didn't know you were doing a 'goatse' puzzle but were shocked when you put together enough of the puzzle. Then, it's too late. Youv'e seen it and your mind is scarred. You can't erase the image from your memory.

      Things are being set up a bit at a time. For what, only Bush and Darth Cheney know for sure but I'd bet money that one day, Americans will suddenly realize they've been doing a goatse puzzle all along and it'll be too late to turn back the pages. For many Americans, they'll look right at the completed goatse puzzle and either refuse to believe it's what they're seeing or refuse to believe they were given a goatse puzzle in the first place and call it tasteful. Most people will be outraged that they were conned into it.
    • twertyto, on 10/11/2007, -18/+7The comparisons of George W. Bush to Adolf Hilter are merely sensationalist and quite insulting to the people who suffered under Hilter. If you want to disagree with his policies and seek change do so in a civil manner or you are not much better than the accusations you make.
    • sdaf, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16@meshman
      Goatse analogy in Bush story = autodigg++
    • mesmeriffic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Americans know to look for Nazi slogans and attitudes so of course Bush and Cheney would never illustrate their seizure of power for the executive branch as anything like Hitler did.
      There are startling and very frightening parallels between Pre-Nazi Germany and where we are today. Much like the goatse allegory... lol.

      Here's the original webpage I got from a fellow digger:
      http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm
  • ThomasPaine23, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. "

    James Madison

    • frodsteamin2, on 10/11/2007, -16/+2i can quote to "how about no scott?"


      dr evil
    • wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They've got a whole pocket full of "shush" for us...
    • justinjstark, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Definitely digging you up for quoting James Madison. He and Thomas Jefferson are a couple of my favorite people and I love reading their writings.
  • roflcawpter, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2Goatse?
  • NoStoppingUs, on 10/11/2007, -23/+4man you ladies love beating a dead horse, dont you?

    i guess its easier to bitch and moan from behind your computer screen than actually DO something about it, god forbid.

    PATHETIC!
    • 4degrees, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7isn't that just what you are doing now? why don't you take your own advice and do something.. like stop reading Digg and posting asinine comments like that...
    • NoStoppingUs, on 10/11/2007, -13/+2....uhh..im not the one bitching and moaning every 2 seconds about TEH EVIL BUSH!!!!

      so, youre wrong sugartits, but you get an A for effort.
    • Eivo, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2@ 4degrees

      Please don't feed the trolls. Your attention only sustains their ignorance.
    • 4degrees, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@nostoppingus

      that may be true that you are not bitching about the evil bush but you ARE BITCHING about the people bitching about the evil bush...
    • 4degrees, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2@evio

      but its fun to poke at the trolls and watch them writhe and foam at the mouth.
  • ophilye, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6How is this "News"???

    I'm pretty sure we're all damn well aware of it by now... have been ever since the "Patriot Act"

    • mabhatter, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It's news because the courts are finally catching on to what's going on. Bush has made the classic mistake... telling the Federal court they have no say. The court has all the power in this situation.. they can simply shut down until the President complies with their ruling. Bush's position of completely removing the US courts from 5 year long cases that are more criminal than military is making the judges want their say on the matter. After all, even the US military court is subordinate to the Federal courts when the Federal courts feel like it, the executive branch can't have it's own system with no rules or accountability. that's just stupid.
  • CheckPlease, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10In other news, today is Monday.
  • FoolsRun, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17I saw "Bush Trampled" and I got all excited.
  • LadyKareenVor, on 10/11/2007, -12/+3Hitler? My God. Try Abraham Lincoln. Who did all the same things. 'Cept Abe is loved by everyone. He sent our country further toward a dictatorship than any other president ever has. Suspension of the Bill of Rights, arresting any newspapers that disagreed with him. We're all a little spoiled with Bush. Stop complaining. We got through Lincoln, the US'll be perfectly fine after Bush.
    • 4degrees, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15the main difference between the two, is that Lincoln did what he did to stop the country from tearing itself apart and, that danger was clear and present to just about every citizen. Bush, on the other hand, is doing what he is doing to line his and others pockets with money. In this case the country is not about to tear itself apart, he is trying to tear apart other countries. In addition, the danger is NOT clear to the citizens and they also disapprove of how the whole debacle is being handled. So, the parallels between Bush and Lincoln end with the fact that they both are republicans, and thats even questionable because republicans then are VERY different than republicans now.
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2The danger is very clear and present to New Yorkers. I just spent a week among them.
    • wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4After Abe, things were changed BECAUSE people complained, long and loudly. I'm disgusted with these authoritarian stooges who post here, saying "shut up, stop complaining (i.e. disagreeing with my leader/cult programmer); everything is under control. If you want to change something, vote, but stop complaining." A huge part of the neofascist program in America is not only stifling but demonizing free speech. I am OVER being threatened and called a traitor, or being told to stfu by unstable follower-personalities or armchair warriors with their anuses clenched in terror over the horrors of Islam. They have plunged the dollar into the trash bin with their billion-a-day foreign adventures, and enriched multinational corporations with ZERO allegiance to the American people. They have enabled the hostile takeover and liquidation - the deliberate destruction - of the USA, and it's immanent replacement with an anti-democratic "North American Union." These followers and shills, who have stolen the Republican Party and inverted conservative ideals, are TRAITORS to the American system of Constitutional government and the American People. Speaking up, challenging abuse of power, championing the US Constitution in the face of pirates who pillage and plunder while wrapped in OUR flag - this is the right and the DUTY of a real American Citizen and patriot.
    • wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Schedule of Pakistan's Chief of Military Intelligence Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, Washington, 4-13 September 2001


      Summer 2001: ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad transfers $100,000 to 9-11 Ringleader Mohamed Atta.

      4 September: Ahmad arrives in the US on an official visit.

      4-9 September: He meets his US counterparts including CIA Head George Tenet.

      9 September: Assassination of General Massood, leader of the Northern Alliance. Official statement by Northern Alliance points to involvement of the ISI-Osama-Taliban axis.

      11 September: Terrorist Attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. At the time of the attacks, Lt General Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees Sen Bob Graham and Rep Porter Goss. Also present at the meeting were Sen. John Kyl and the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi.

      12-13 September: Meetings between Lt. General Ahmad and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Agreement on Pakistan's collaboration negotiated between Ahmad and Armitage. Meeting between General Ahmad and Secretary of State Colin Powell

      13 September: Ahmad meets Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

  • spyd3rweb, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16so are we gonna impeach him yet?
    • NoStoppingUs, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12democrats dont have the balls.
    • tidu, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Meh, he'll be out soon, we'll let him slide. Quick, American Idol's on!
    • razor150, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I think it can be more accurately said "The Democrats don't have the balls or the votes." I don't know what it would take for the Republicans to side with the Dems on anything. Bush could be doing speeches about wanting to be the first American dictator and they still wouldn't side with the Dems. I think it has become plainly obvious, if you haven't noticed already, that both parties loyalties lie first with their party and then to the nation.
  • twertyto, on 10/11/2007, -18/+6More people's lives have been saved by Bush's policies than people who have had their fundamental rights "trampled on". Mission accomplished.
    • tidu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12It's called principle. More importantly, those that our country was founded on.

      And rather than make up for the wrongs we have done in the middle east (dating back to the 50's) Bush's policies intrude more by sending troops to Iraq, which creates even more anti-american sentiment. This increases the probability of another attack, which limits more of our freedoms. It'll keep going until we get some change.

      If you really feel scared about terrorist attacks, you have some problems. Instead of spending billions out there in the middle east, we could be spending money on law enforcement, disaster relief, medical research, etc. You're more likely to die from a tornado, drive-by, cancer, car accident, aids, murderer, etc than a terrorist.
    • pushmouse, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1So how many Iraqi and US soldiers lives has he saved since the beginning of his illegal war
    • Xeth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2American lives maybe. Iraqis may disagree.
  • ChadUSofA, on 10/11/2007, -19/+3No, no he didn't. Libtards
  • 4Prophecy, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5Check out the spin in the article headline, nice and objective media or what?
    • skrowl, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3You say that like you're surprised to see Al Reuters spin an article to be Anti-Bush.
  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4What fundamental rights? Who here is missing out on any fundamental rights?
    • smackedup, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2You are, you just don't know it!
    • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Oh, thanks's for clearing that up for me.
      /sarcasm
      Hope we aren't being monitored on the board. That would suck.
      /tinfoilhat
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2"You are, you just don't know it!"

      The old communist canard:
      "You are oppressed by the bourgeoisie, you just don't know it"
      "You are robbed by the industrial barons, you just can't tell it"
      "You are enslaved by the rich, you just don't feel it"
      "You are trampled by the all powerful regime, you just aren't aware of it."

      Liberals convince us we are in a bad way, and they are here to fix everything; all we have to do is give them our money and do what they say.
    • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@bonhoeffer, Its just like The Matrix, the Diggers are Morpheus, and Ron Paul is THE ONE.
    • wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2With the Patriot Act (drafted before the 9/11 attacks and rammed through Congress during an anthrax attack -on democratic party targets- that remains a mystery) and the Military Commissions Act, Bush has fullfilled the Neocon doctrine of a "unitary executive" by claiming every power of a dictator, including the right to declare ANY US CITIZEN beyond the protection of the law; to abduct them; to torture them; to hold them - forever, if he chooses - without trial, and without access to a lawyer or indeed any communication with the outside world. In Bush's "signing statements" he has expressly declared himself -the executive- above the laws he signs. Bohica (or some other neofascist knob-polisher) might say "go back to sleep, this doesn't affect you." By that logic, we ought not to question the dismantling of our Constitutional Republic, or the dragging away of our neighbors and friends, until the agents of occupational government are at OUR door, dragging US away. These dictatorial powers of the Executive are a threat to the American System of Government and the American People. They will be abused. And the longer we wait to correct the situation, the more difficult that correction will be.
  • kaiser44, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4wait till you libs get hillary in charge, you won't know what hit ya.I hope you keep up the same ire you have for bush.
    He deserves all the ***** he gets but you aint seen nothin yet.
  • markgl, on 10/11/2007, -13/+2Didn't realize that you people despise America. You won't cage the beast before it attacks by not holding suspected terrorist and you don't want to hear what the terrorist are trying to do to us by having us listen in on what they are doing.

    But no, you all see Americans being held for no reason being tortured and bush is listening to your grandma talk to a friend about baking recipes. you people are so freakin far out of touch with the real world.

    What the crap. who has been telling you these lies about spying and government control???
    • vikingdiplomat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3hmmm. exactly. thanks for clearing that up...

      (/sarcasm)
    • markgl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I guess i can't get thru to anyone.
  • spamhead, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I can't believe that we are so apathetic that we don't have this monster taken out of the white house, (for the Secret Service reading this, I don't mean to hurt him, I me using due process to have him removed). I for one welcome our new overlords.
  • superfusion, on 10/11/2007, -6/+6Buried ... sorry, I'm all for trying Bush, Cheney et al and giving them justice, but the nazi comparisons are absurd. Why not just label Bush the evil spawn of Saturn's canibalistic gigantasaurus?
    • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Why are you trying to deny Saturn's Canibalistic Gigantasaurus Truth?
    • superfusion, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1hmm, I think I commented on the wrong story ...
  • weebit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Wow there are plenty of them that want to do away with our Constitutional Rights. I guess everyone needs to keep a eye out for whom they put in office.

    I do not know why charges have not been brought against Bush and the members of his Political team trying to take our freedoms away from us. . It may need a investigation into what they will gain by such a action. It is clear that even after this has been brought to light. no one wants to do anything about it... Find out why.
  • gazwilwah, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Bush is nothing, he is the stupid monkey that is the face of the darkside that runs America.

    Unless the American people start to get off there butts and kick them out, its just gonna get worse for everyone.
  • sub420, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0you know they're just going to keep doing it anyway. you cant tell these kind of people what to do, there is no law for them. all this talk is utterly pointless.
  • Bogie22, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Of course we all know judges are perfectly impartial and would never dream of using their position to carry bout their own political agendas!
  • meechwings, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2*yawn*

    Nothing new, Bush has been intruding on civil rights ever since 9/11...it's just taken people this long to wake up to that fact.
  • zip000, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Um...I thought Digg was a NEWS site, and there is certainly nothing NEW about this information.


    (I didn't RTFA)
    • thegoldenstate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3what's new is that it's actually from a reliable source for a change
  • guzziguy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2 I love all the poetic self serving historical quoting going on here:

    Those who surrender essential liberty in exchange for temporary safety deserve neither.
    -- Benjamin Franklin

    WOW! What would Benjamin say if a bunch of radical Islamic sub-human terrorists flew comericial airliners into the the World Trade towers killing 3000 innocent Americans.....and What would he say if three brother were living illegally in this country for 30 years plotting to kill American soldiers .....what would he say.....I think he'd say-----CATCH THE CREEPS - WHAT EVER IT TAKES BEFORE THEY DO IT AGAIN...

    please WISE UP Different time---Different world.....I don't think the Hessian's at Trenton were buying RPGs from the Rancocas/ Delaware Indians. Give me a break!
    • moin1097, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Don't you just love those that quote the founding fathers without consideration of the fact that also believed in owning slaves.
      But I doubt that anybody that throws around that quote would sacrifice a fraction of what the founding fathers had to sacrifice to maintain our liberties.
      What did old Ben would have to say about embryonic stem cell research? That is, when he wasn’t frequenting the prostitutes on south street.
    • wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Why did Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of Pakistan's ISI (the equivalent of our CIA, and who was approved by the CIA as all heads of ISI must be) wire 100,000 USD to Mohammed Atta, the leader of the 9/11 hijackers, on 9/10/01? And where was Mahmoud Ahmad on 9/11? At a breakfast meeting with Porter Goss (who would lead the 9/11 "Investigation").

      Of course, if you're not on the bright side, it's easier just to mindlessly believe what you're told, and not question authority: lock-step, march with eyes straight ahead and a song in your heart, ready to smite the "islamofascist menace." The garbage heap of history is full of the bones of idiots who either refused to formulate and ask questions, or who brushed them away, in favor of mindless obedience to the loudest, most cocksure voice of authority.
  • spazmotron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1EDIT: wrong topic.

    How'd that happen. Digg is acting up.
  • SemperLuc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Surrender Now!

    Surrender Now!

    Surrender Now!

    We heard the same thing throughout the 50 yr cold-war, and they're using the SAME tactics now. They're even invoking their Thermometer Gods again ...
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    That Muslim Bloodlust in Darfur is just ... (drumroll please) ... Global Warming!

    16JUN07 (AFP) - Climate change behind Darfur killing. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that the slaughter in Darfur was triggered by global climate change and that more such conflicts may be on the horizon, in an article published Saturday.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    Same depraved crowd, different day.
  • SemperLuc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@readthis

    Surrender Now!

    Surrender Now!

    Surrender Now!

    We heard the same denials of reality throughout the 50 yr cold-war, and they're using the SAME tactics now. They're even invoking their Thermometer Gods again ...
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Muslim Bloodlust in Darfur is just (drumroll please) ... Global Warming !!!

    16JUN07 (AFP) - Climate change behind Darfur killing. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that the slaughter in Darfur was triggered by global climate change and that more such conflicts may be on the horizon, in an article published Saturday.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Wait a minute, I thought guru RonPaul said it was our Foreign Policy. Oh well, either way we STILL don't have to face the reality of global Islamic Fascism. Sweet!

    Same depraved crowd, different day.
  • bushesbitch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0you can't impeach a god !
  • Franky66, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1One canidate wanted to go after Bin Ladin instead of going into Iraq....one has stood up against starting WWIII with Iran, a FIRM US Constitutionalist.....do some research, the choice becomes clear.
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