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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -20/+176someone just give that guy a blowjob so we can impeach him already
- aristotle1990, on 10/12/2007, -9/+161This is *****. I'm no rabid anti-Bush fanboy; heck, I'm more towards free market conservatism and libertarianism than modern liberalism, but this ***** really has to stop. I'm tired of Bush writing exceptions to the laws he signs. Now what; the administration is trying to stop people from prosecuting high ranking officials for mistreating prisoners? What the hell is this? What the ***** happened to the accountability of those in power? This isn't a partisan issue, this is a "what the ***** is up" issue.
- aaaz, on 10/12/2007, -25/+103"A highwayman is as much a robber when he plunders in a gang as when single; and a nation that makes an unjust war is only a great gang." --Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Father of the American Constitution
- dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -9/+80I think he realizes by now that he could actually be persecuted for war crimes.
Should that make you wonder?
He might actually be guilty? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+79He is being persecuted right now. What the rest of us want is to see Bush prosecuted.
- fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -6/+60"So basically a law that has done nothing in 10 years"
Laws 'do' nothing, things only happen when people enforce laws. With criminals in charge the last 5 years it is no surprise this law has 'done nothing'. So now the criminals want to pass laws legalizing their crime. Only fools would let them get away with it. - rezonq3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+56I have to reply to that comment. Easily one of the most clever comments I have seen in a long while on digg.
Sadly, it also makes a really good point about the ridiculousness of impeaching a president for something like gettin' some in the Oval Office, whilst allowing a truly law-breaking president to get away with the atrocities that this president has.
Bah...Well said dickhedtracy! - lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58*ahem*
Hitler came to power democratically. He just abused the system to gain power. Once he had it, he used the power to prevent anyone from taking it away. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -6/+48Condi's already on it...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45One step closer to a totalitarian dictatorship. Hooray!
- LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42A totalitarian dictatorship because a freely elected leader drafts laws that make it legal for him to commit crimes. One law for the rulers, one law for the ruled.
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41Yeah, because making fun of them is acceptable? I don't think so. Asking a detainee to get naked or threatening them is *unacceptable*. Worse, is the fact that many detainees have had their religious beliefs offended as well. I'm not religious, but for those who are, taking God - or their equivalent - away from them is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
You have to remember that some of these detainees aren't even guilty, yet you make it sound like you'd be ok with this treatment, should it be one of your friends or family. I know I wouldn't. - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37in the US the term "legal" is getting flimsier by the day...
You do realise that everything Hitler did was "legal" - Zedtech, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40@fredrated - well the country did end up re-electing them for a second term. I think that speaks for itself in whats going to happen here.
Fools? More like lemmings being lead off a cliff. - prot0col, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36Laura's not doing it.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31"manipulated christians and gave them all a bad name?"
Erm.. Only if you can add Muslims to the list. Apparently 1.5 Billion people are 'terrorists' now. - anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -8/+37This will never go through. You can't protect the very same people who may humiliate or degrade war prisoners. Can you imagine if Saddam had that law? Maybe he actually did. Somehow, I doubt the US was/would be too happy if Saddam was treating US soldiers badly, yet what do the US do? Build Guantanamo.
- whoatemytuna, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31That's ridiculous, you mean to tell me that striping prisoners naked, photographing them in awkward positions and laughing the whole time is not tortuous? I imagine that it must also be tortuous to be imprisoned without charges being filed against you. These people are human beings and whether or not you agree with what they've done (or haven't done} they still deserve the right to be respected, just as you or I do in the same situation.
- steward39, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31"Left off the list would be what the Geneva Conventions refer to as "outrages upon [the] personal dignity" of a prisoner and deliberately humiliating acts -- such as the forced nakedness, use of dog leashes and wearing of women's underwear seen at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq -- that fall short of torture."
Would you like to be serving in the US Military, be captured, and be treated like that? Because that's what will happen to our armed forces if laws like this are passed.
Countries don't enter into rules-of-war treaties to limit what they do; it's to limit what -other- countries do to -their- troops. Passing this law will make it open-season on any members of the US military who are captured by other signatories - because if the US can just go and ignore parts of the Geneva convention, then so can other countries. - steward39, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Because this is a democratic republic, not Plato's republic. Government officials are chosen based on their self-marketing skills, not on their ability to actually run the government.
- jdstorer2, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38No, you do this yourselves without his help. ('Course, I don't like Bush)
- CAPSLOCK2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30"Can you imagine if Saddam had that law?"
Saddam actually tried to defend himself along those lines. His reasoning was that as a the president he had the right and duty to protect himself, as allowed by law. Therefore he did not break the law by killing civilians.
As far as I know Saddam is still in prison... - OperatorNo9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Hitler also burned the Reichstag (German Parliament) to fuel sympathy for the war he wanted.
- techmonkey4u, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29nobody died when Clinton lied...
- scott1, on 10/12/2007, -34/+59Benjamin Franklin wasn't the father the Constitiution.
- ArcusOfSV, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28It will hold better if you weld it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Since when has Bush ever given a rat's ass about what the Constitution says?
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I'd like to rephrase part of my comment.
"yet what to do the *US Government do? Build Guantanamo"
The American people aren't to blame for what is one hell of a corrupt Government. - anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Good point, Capslock. Wouldn't it be nice if the same justice that Saddam had applied to President Bush one day soon?
- rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Fools elected aforementioned criminals... I am not optimistic.
- Jimtac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24 1. Serve the public trust
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law
4. Classified ("Any attempt to arrest a senior OCP officer results in shutdown")
Bush is just writing his own version of Robocop's Prime Directive #4, into U.S. Law for politicians, and their buddies (contributors).
"Any attempt to arrest a senior Bush Administration official results in immediate pardon, and subsequent coverup"
And since he must have watched the movie, and learned that when the "Dick" Jones got fired it no longer applied, so this time round Bush just added... "In perpituity". - theoallardyce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25What makes me sick is that we are allowing sick ***** like the Wahabbis, Taliban, Saddams guards and Al Qaeda to actually change _our_ laws. George Bush in his infinate monkey wizdom is basically saying "They do it so we should be kind of allowed to do it too".
Hes saying that since the enemy does things that make us sick, it would be disadvantageous for us to stop ourselves doing it back to them because it would mean they have an extra weapon against us. What this really means is that they are changing the rules for everyone without us having a say in the matter.
What Bush is doing is therefore pandering to the terrorists, he is meeting them on there level, he and the retarded grunts that go around torturing Iraqis are dragging the rest of us down to the level of Zahawi and Saddam. He is letting them set the precedent that torture is ok.
That might be the way things work in the mind of far-right Republicans but in the real world torture is wrong, degrading treatment is wrong, everyone no matter who they are deserves due process and it doesnt matter what the other side are doing, it does not justify us doing it.
Yes, it means we have a disadvantage, yes it means they have a weapon against us, yes it means we might loose out strategically - you know what? thats ***** tough ***** - having the moral high ground is tough, thats why retards dont get to the top of it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24@BufordT
Are you really that naive? - Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27The people who voted the government are to blame. Nobody can say that they wasn't warned in 2004.
- verax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Time to drag the bandits to jail, throw away the key and solder the lock shut.
- tim11198, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21U.S. Constitution Article I, section 9:
"No Bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed."
Under the constitution, Bush can't legally shield himself or his cohorts from prosecution for any illegal actions they may have already taken. - Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27This is kinda like what Berlusconi did in Italy. He was prime minister, so he couldn't be sued for his financial crimes and at the end of his term passed a law (through the parlament he controlled) that also gave former prime ministers protection against prosecution. -_-
Or tried anyway, don't remember if it passed in the end. - Aewheros, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24No need. It is common to use the nations name to represent it's government in international contexts.
Besides, the people of the united states did re-elect their government. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26Technically he wasn't impeached for the blowjob itself, he was impeached for lying about it while under oath before a Grand Jury.
- andreas1999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20and where does the line go? i'm sure they'll find a way to turn any torture in to "just a little bit of fun" and avoid any prosecutions. just because it's not physical doesn't mean it isn't torture.
- basse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25> "yet what to do the *US Government do? Build Guantanamo"
> The American people aren't to blame for what is one hell of a corrupt Government.
In a democracy you usually CAN hold the people at least somewhat accountable for the current government. Especially when it chooses to re-elect the same bad leader after the first four years of bad leadership... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Then you're a blind fool.
- truthRises, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Reichstag == WTC/Pentagon = ?
Can't say for sure, but it's worth thinking about. - flash200, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17On a related note, Cheney is proposing "amendments that would eliminate the risk of prosecution for political appointees, CIA officers and former military personnel for shooting someone in the face."
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17One step closer? Helloooo? You crossed the border a while back. There's no hope for you now.
- LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Except that this legislation isn't legalizing humiliation of prisoners - it's granting officials immunity from prosecution. As long as prosecution isn't already underway, this legislation would probably prevent it from being initiated, regardless of when the offence was committed.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Bush must have been reading this article from the Onion, just recently, and was inspired
Bush Grants Self Permission To Grant More Power To Self
August 1, 2006 | Issue 42•31
WASHINGTON, DC—In a decisive 1–0 decision Monday, President Bush voted to grant the president the constitutional power to grant himself additional powers.
"As president, I strongly believe that my first duty as president is to support and serve the president," Bush said during a televised address from the East Room of the White House shortly after signing his executive order. "I promise the American people that I will not abuse this new power, unless it becomes necessary to grant myself the power to do so at a later time."
The Presidential Empowerment Act, which the president hand-drafted on his own Oval Office stationery and promptly signed into law, provides Bush with full authority to permit himself to authorize increased jurisdiction over the three branches of the federal government, provided that the president considers it in his best interest to do so.
"In a time of war, the president must have the power he needs to make the tough decisions, including, if need be, the decision to grant himself even more power," Bush said. "To do otherwise would be playing into the hands of our enemies."
etc...
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51140 - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Can we impeach this fool?
Why is intelligence not a requirement for a government position? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Terrorism _is_ a nuisance. Are they a threat? Absolutely.
Are they anywhere near as big of a threat as the Bush regime has made them out to be? Not even close. The problem with the neocon agenda is that you morons think that anybody who opposes Bush's tyrannical ***** and repeated abuse and disregard of the laws of this country is automatically a terrorist supporter. You've bought into Bush's FUD campaign so thoroughly that you believe every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of how farfetched and asinine it actually is. Open your ***** eyes. ***** like the Patriot Act has no place in this country. Spying on our own citizens is completely unacceptable behavior under ANY circumstance. Rewriting existing laws, which you have already broken multiple times, to avoid being prosecuted for them is such a blatant abuse of power that the parties responsible need to be put on trial at the Hague immediately, locked away, and left to rot until they die. Bush is a traitor, a war criminal, and a wannabe dictator. For you to so blindly support him like that either makes you completely ***** stupid, or just as much of a criminal as he is. - verax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18You can bring the welder then.
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