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- jblossom, on 10/12/2007, -19/+145This is a truly evil event.
We had a coup d'etat in 2000, and the insurrection at the ballot box was squelched in Ohio in 2004. Now this government intends to do away forever with the thin veil of democracy behind which it has stood.
It may be too late. Even if Democrats win they've established precedence in the Bilbray vs. Busby special election to ignore the vote altogether. Brian Bilbray was sworn in as Duke Cunningham's replacement in Congress by Dennis Hastert BEFORE HIS ELECTION RESULTS WERE CERTIFIED - to avoid issues regarding the potential manipulation of electronic voting machines. The excuse used for this was a very questionable interpretation of the U.S. Constitution which claimed that only Congress could determine the credentials of a representative. In other words, as long as the Fascist elements remain in power they will be able to declare any election at the Congressional level null and void.
The American people have no one to blame for this but themselves. Hitler did not rise to power by crushing the German people: he duped them to the point that they welcomed him with open arms.
As I've mentioned before, ours is a democracy born from bloodshed and ideas. The government is challenging us to think that their willingness to allow Americans to risk their blood will be stronger than the idea of democracy. We have proven that wrong time and again in this country, from the War of Independence to the battles for civil rights and beyond. Let's pray that it doesn't come to that - and let's pray even harder that this cowardly piece of legislation slipped into a bill that yet again has escaped the notice of the public does not go unnoticed.
Act up - spread the word - this issue is EXTREMELY important to the future of our nation.
DIGG THIS STORY TO THE MAX - GET OTHERS TO DO SO ASAP. - anareric, on 10/12/2007, -13/+119I fear what GWB's third term is going to be like.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -31/+109why/how is this man still alive? where have all of Americas murderers gone :(
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -15/+80And yet the Bush administration is using the same tricks the Nazis did before WWII...make the people fearful, and they'll give you absolute power.
- SillyDigger, on 10/12/2007, -8/+71@deesine
Its not a scare tactic, its not fear mongering and its not a conspiracy theory, its reality.
Read H.R. 5122 for yourself - Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -10/+68@Deesine
The difference is that Bush uses scare mongering to take away the freedoms of U.S. citizens. - t3hCyborg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+56I'm not trying to defend GWB here, but let's all keep in mind that Bush can not make a law on his own, the HoR and Senate also have voted for this law. Don't think about just getting Bush out of office, think of getting all the supporters of these clear breaches to out freedom out of office.
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -15/+67It's time to put the 2nd Amendment to good use.
- minorthreat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+60no, we point out all the laws and amendments Bush changes/breaks, that takes away our civil liberties on which the country was founded on.. all in the name of fighting this so-called war on terror.
- NoSuchAgency, on 10/12/2007, -3/+52You can't even get within a mile of Bush wearing a dissenting t-shirt, let alone with a rifle.
- SqueakyWheel, on 10/12/2007, -10/+59Wow Bush is going to become a dictator and start randomly taking away our families and killing them.
- SillyDigger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45173 democrats voted for this and sadly none have admitted that they have made a mistake, face it our goverment has been hijacked by people on both sides who have no interest in this country.
- Jawood, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42@ascharf85
"He signed in a law all by himself. I'd say we just go ahead and abolish the senate, cause seriously we all know that Bush can sign any law he wants that gets to his desk. Does anybody really believe that the House and Senate vote on these matters?"
Yes, normally that's how our Government works.
The trouble, sir, is that Congress has been going along with the Bush Administration without questioning anything he proposes and vice versa. The Republicans have broken our Republic.
I'm really trying to keep an open mind but the Republican party is really pushing my libertarian buttons here! - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38@archiesteel
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
- - Hermann Goering, the guy who set fire to Hitler's parliment building for Hitler so Hitler could declare martial law and pass laws similar to our "patriot" act. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43Do you guys still hold elections if you're under martial law or does he stay in charge indefinitely?
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40Protests are a guarantee if another election is stolen.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36Conspiracy huh? Well, here's an excerpt:
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It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.
Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."
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So the law is real, it was passed a week ago, and here it is. Explain. - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33Welcome to the new Fascist America!
All hail George W. Bush our new dictator.
Who would have thought? We gave Iraq democracy and we took democracy away in America.
The 12 Signs of Fascism ...
http://www.democratgiftshop.com/cgi-bin/store/store.cgi/571511948/angryintheusa/381479 - M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33Source:
(1) http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200609/091906a.html and http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200609/092906b.html See also, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, "The Use of Federal Troops for Disaster Assistance: Legal Issues," by Jennifer K. Elsea, Legislative Attorney, August 14, 2006
(2) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill+h109-5122
(3) Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International, "Recent Contract Awards", Summer 2006, Vol.12, No.2, pg.8; See also, Peter Dale Scott, "Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps," New American Media, January 31, 2006.
(4) "Technology Transfer from defense: Concealed Weapons Detection", National Institute of Justice Journal, No 229, August, 1995, pp.42-43. - t3hCyborg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34http://duggmirror.com/politics/Bush_Moves_Toward_Martial_Law_2/
Piggyback! - zorpscorp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29Martial Law's nothing new, but this new bill makes it a LOT more powerful when used.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Remember, 50% of the citizens are complete dumbasses. The rest of us better beef up our gun collection.
- flag8, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32This is starting to sound like the Nazi's 'Final Solution'
- kaemaril, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25"Idiot. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law, which states once Hitler or the term Nazi is used in a post, the thread is therefore terminated."
Godwin's "Law" says no such thing, buddy.
Here you go :
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Note also that no mention is made of whether or not the comparison is appropriate. - SillyDigger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23@anonym41414
Re: It's a freakin' appropriations bill.
and?
Re: It's 439 pages long.
If you're too lazy to read this stuff like our politicians I feel sorry for the future of this country and just so you know yes I'm reading it.
Re: If YOU'VE read it, I'll eat my hat.
Please upload the video on youtube.
Re: Care to point to some specific provisions of this legislation that support your nutball black-helicopter, new-world-order conspiracy theories?
Sure, try SEC. 1076 and just for the record obviously no one (except you) is talking about black helicopters or the "new world order" the discussion is about our law makers giving the President unnecessary leeway to declare Marshal Law. - orp2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24You are an idiot. I wish you couldn't vote...because you obviously can't read. This is not something he is "proposing." The very first line of the summary reads "...has signed into law." What part of that is confusing to you?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25No they'll just put in another puppet.
- jblossom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25May 4, 1970. Kent State University, Ohio. 4 Dead.
July 14, 1874. 30 striking workers killed by Federal troops, Chicago, IL
April 20, 1914. 5 men, 2 women, 12 children killed by state militia in Ludlow, CO
1894 - Federal troops killed 34 attempting to break a strike
I am sure that Jewish Germans could not have imagined that Nazis would have come into their neighborhoods to destroy their lives and then later cart them off to the ovens. And not that many Germans would have believed it, either.
We can ignore dangers like this from which our laws have protected us. Or we can face them and the hard truths of power gone awry. The choice is ours. - anareric, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Why would anyone in their right mind actually want to go hunting with Dick?
- rlbigfish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Bush is an idiot, or a puppet, if you will. The PNAC (Project for a New American Century) boys needed an idiot to do their dirty work so that it all looks like he is bumbling around and mistakenly ***** up the Constitution.
This would explain why most of PNAC's doctrine became the Bush doctrine, and why a large percentage of Bush's administration is made up of PNAC members. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5122
Everything you need to know about the enacted law (including the four other names it has gone by, such as the "Heroes at Home Act of 2006"...I wonder if I could legislate a new Ferrari for myself if I called it the "Everlasting Liberty and Truth Act of 2007"...).
http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/109/h/h5122.pdf
The law itself. All 439 pages.
It's interesting to note that someone slipped this in along with revisions to the reporting of rape in military schools, requests for soldiers to participate in sports before completing their service, and the halting of killing deers by helicopter on Santa Rosa.
Here's the section you should focus on:
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SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMER-
GENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.--
(1) IN GENERAL.--Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
`` 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
``(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the
National Guard in Federal service, to--
``(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or
other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or
incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the
United States, the President determines that--
``(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent
that the constituted authorities of the State or possession
are incapable of maintaining public order; and
``(ii) such violence results in a condition described in
paragraph (2); or
``(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrec-
tion, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
``(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition
that-- ``(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or
possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that
State or possession, that any part or class of its people is
deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named
in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse
to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that
protection; or
H. R. 5122--323
``(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the
United States or impedes the course of justice under those
laws.
``(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State
shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the
laws secured by the Constitution.
``(b) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.--The President shall notify Congress
of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A)
as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days
thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.''.
(2) PROCLAMATION TO DISPERSE.--Section 334 of such title
is amended by inserting ``or those obstructing the enforcement
of the laws'' after ``insurgents''.
(3) HEADING AMENDMENT.--The heading of chapter 15 of
such title is amended to read as follows:
``CHAPTER 15--ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAWS TO
RESTORE PUBLIC ORDER''.
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Namely 1076(1)(2)(B)...
"restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or >>>incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that -- opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. - dattaway, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19With the proliferation of small, cheap camcorders and video hosting sites, we are ripe to provide the world with lots of action packed entertainment.
- SuckItUp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@jblossom
You forgot about Waco, Randy Weaver, etc. Or do they not count since that was under good king Clinton? - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18I don't think any sane person advocates doing any kind of physical harm to Bush. Anyone talking like that here should just stop. I think it's illegal to even say anything like that.
Let's all just calm down and let the law do it's job. A great many US citizens are now aware that the last two Presidential elections were stolen in Florida and Ohio. Everyone is watching for it this time very closely. There's going to be a lot of exit polling going on.
We The People won't stand for it a third time. We all know that the NeoCons are going to lose control of both houses. Critical Mass has been reached. One too many lies have been told.
Once progressives have subpoena power in both houses, the truth will begin to come out. Be patient.
If they somehow steal another election, We The People will not stand for any Martial Law. Neither will the rest of the world. - minorthreat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24When was the last time someone posted something that GWB and Congress have done that is positive? hmm.. We aren't biased and we could care less about bashing your favorite political party, we are just pointing out the obvious.
- chicagobiker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17"Did any of you jackasses figure in that the cops and the Army are us, friends, neighbors, relatives? Do you honestly believe that the powers in play here would actually come and shoot you if you are violating curfew? "
By the time you find out you're wrong it'll be to late. This will be just about the time your policeman neighbor you've had over for dinner for years is busting you in the face with the butt of his rifle. He'll be damned if his family will starve with the loss of his job over yours.
Cops and soldiers who disobey their superiors are the FIRST to be put in the new jails. The ones that are left who comply, jail the citizens. - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21You're right! We need to understand how the system works.
We shouldn't EVER question anything the President proposes because talking about how
crazy, scary or F'ing stupid his proposals are is clearly "alarmist".
Please remove your head from your ass and consider, just for a moment, that this man
ISN'T out for the good of "the people" but only for he and his associates goals.
And if you hadn't noticed the "checks and balanced" (your words, I think you meant "balances") system is being manipulated by a few powerful individuals using fear mongering
tactics. - cramtod, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I would not compare to Bush to Hitler, however the tactics between the two regimes is quite similar. I guess this would mean Karl Rove = Joseph Goebbels.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
-- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
" ... voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg Trials - eggo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15You would think that the first one would have been enough...
- davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@squeakywheel,
"Wow Bush is going to become a dictator and start randomly taking away our families and killing them."
The point is not that Bush will actually do those things, but that from now on it will actually be legal for any president to do them. Because of this, it becomes critically important that future presidents are competent and benevolent leaders. Until now, even presidents who turned out to be incompetent were not able to claim dictatorial powers and harm his people directly.
If you think Bush is trustworthy in this regard, you may argue the point with anyone you wish. Speaking for myself, I don't like the idea of handing over the keys to my freedom to any single individual. - megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"...face it our government has been hijacked by people on both sides who have no interest in this country."
Oh, I think they're VERY interested in our country, very interested in turning it into a nice, manageable feudal society with a large network of gulags for those who resist. This is what they're hellbent on doing. Whether they ultimately succeed at it is another matter. Even now, I am inclined to believe that the American people will respond in surprising ways once we wake up. - webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Consider yourselves lucky. The US has the largest latent militia in the world; these laws already exist in the UK and we have neither a written constitution or amendments to protect us, simply legislation that is easy to change with the stupidly large majority that exists in the House of Commons.
It's already possible under law for the police to detain anyone gathering at a meeting, whether in a public or private place, for no reason more than they don't like it. A meeting is two or more people in one place at one time.
The erosion of personal rights has not only just begun, and it is nowhere near finished. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"Since early development of the Nazi movement in Germany parallels liberalism and DNC party politics and propaganda."
Such as?
Hitler ran on a policy of strong nationalism, religious rectitude, and white racial pride. So...you came to the conclusion that the Democrats are the closest to the Nazis? - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14And when I say "If they somehow steal another election, We The People will not stand for any Martial Law," I do not mean that I advocate any violence. No violence will be necessary. Just let them start gunning down non-violent American Citizen protesters. See what happens.
- postal21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13wait, the bill says we are making camps in america to put people? wtf is that?
- JonasBriden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12http://duggmirror.com/politics/Bush_Moves_Toward_Martial_Law_2/
- beesucker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Bringing attention to a law, proposed or enacted, that gives the federal government military control over the populace seems like something that most Americans would find distasteful. I mean, our country was kind of founded out of the wish to have some individual sovereignty, to limit the scope of centralized government. It is scary to me now that any sort of criticism of our government is dismissed as conspiratorial. So why does this '*****' need to stop? What are you afraid will happen if people question these things? What about this article is conspiratorial? I guess that saying that Bush has officially become dictator is a bit conspiratorial, but what about the issue of the law itself? What do you think? Should the federal government have more control over your life or less? If less, then this law seems to be a problem. If, however, you want them to have more control, then be happy, you got what you want - don't worry about Digg.
- KottonKandy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18All I have to say without going on forever; This administration and its GOP backed congress has had total disregard for public thought, the constitution which they swore to uphold, or the way 'our' actions effect The United States on a global scale. They have proven they cannot be trusted; and should be held for Treason against The Constitution for the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
- huxrules, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Ok kids-
This is what the 2nd Amendment is for. Please buy Ak-47's and AR-15's. If you don't want to purchase a gun then please buy ammo. 5.56mm rounds and 7.62mm rounds.
Thx - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Are we only allowed to fear one group or person at a time?
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