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- MercyPolitics, on 04/28/2009, -11/+111Bush's legacy: Lies, deceptions, two wars, economic meltdown & climate change getting a lot worse. Not bad in just 8 years.
- inactive, on 04/28/2009, -11/+66FTA:
"George Washington law professor Jonathan Turley argues that this statement by Bush shows that “he and his administration knew that there is no ‘good faith defense’ in committing war crimes.”
Here's the ThinkProgress article that goes along with this video:
http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Flashback_War_Crimes ... - LeepII, on 04/29/2009, -4/+39We executed Japanese officers for waterboarding prisoners.
- amauldin71, on 04/29/2009, -10/+45This needs to be played at his trial.
- PhilliesBlunt, on 04/29/2009, -8/+32"Waterboarding isn't a war crime" oh shut the ***** up.
Besides, it wasn't the only thing that went on, just the one tactic that the media highlighted. - garret35, on 04/28/2009, -10/+31He got what he wanted...George W will NEVER be forgotten....too bad for bad and not good....he "stayed the course" lol
- waydee, on 04/29/2009, -1/+19LoneRanger85 never fails to get a smile out of me. I'm pretty sure he's just a gimmick but I can always count on him to be there delivering the angry, backwards, shouty conservative point of view to remind us of its utter ridiculousness.
Keep it up, it wouldn't be the same here without you. - pintomp3, on 04/29/2009, -3/+20126 (61%) of 208 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution.
6 of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passa ... - treehugger87, on 04/29/2009, -5/+22He also said that whoever leaked Valerie Plame's name would "no longer be in this administration". I'll bet he's still laughing over that one.
- powatom, on 04/29/2009, -1/+18Partially born?
- HBZ55, on 04/29/2009, -9/+24hypocrisy at its best.
- strifeprime, on 04/29/2009, -3/+18Maybe you should ask your elected representatives why they haven't done a damn thing about abortion. They were elected running on a pro-life agenda, but I don't see any push for major reform. History lesson #1: The supreme court for the Roe vs Wade case was 7-2 with a majority of Republican appointed judges. #2: During 2000-2006 the "pro-life" Republicans had a majority in every branch of government. Why didn't they ban abortion? That is one of the reasons they were elected right. I mean, they easily got an illegal war going, but couldn't pass any major significant abortion legislation? We're still paying for abortions with our tax dollars even after 6 full years of complete Republican rule.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -1/+14The US did not try the perpetrators of the Nanking massacre, they were tried by the international military tribunal.
The US *did* try Japanese perpetrators of water boarding.
The two issues are separate. You are attempting to claim that the tried war criminals were guilty of more than just waterboarding, to diminish the crime. You are wrong, and your attempt fails.
The US sentenced the criminals to hard labor, not execution. International tribunal criminals were executed.
Most right thinking people would be happy to let the current batch of war criminals, those who ordered the waterboarding we are talking about here, be given jail time rather than execution. - justok, on 04/29/2009, -0/+12again?
- treehugger87, on 04/29/2009, -3/+15Last I checked, disagreeing with one guy on Digg who didn't vote for you doesn't make you guilty of sedition or treason.
- Acewrap, on 04/29/2009, -1/+12Do you people so insulate yourself that you actually think President Obama is unpopular?
- crunchdigg, on 04/29/2009, -1/+11there WAS that minor detail of faked intel, and spending Colin Powell's lifetime of credibility to sell the war to the House, Senate, and the entire population of America.
That and calling anyone who was audacious enough to question the lies "unamerican". - DankBuddz, on 04/29/2009, -1/+11Yeah, Bush kept us real safe when he didn't react to intel about 2 massive planes blowing up in the middle of NYC, and decided to send our entire NORAD force to a training mission the day of the suspected attack.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -2/+12downfallen? His approval ratings are 69%
You lost, get over it. - azbmr, on 04/29/2009, -2/+11What sucks is that there are people out there that think it isn't inhumane treatment if it isn't a "crime."
- DankBuddz, on 04/29/2009, -3/+12You do realize Bush didn't do anything about any environmental problems at all, right?
- 8FoldPath, on 04/29/2009, -1/+10You're talking about Obama, right?
- powatom, on 04/29/2009, -2/+11Unreg - yes, but using that as an argument about Democrats is ludicrous. Nobody 'wants' a partial birth abortion - but as trutek states they are used in extreme circumstances. For this reason I doubt LoneRanger was using 'partially born' to mean 'partial birth abortion'. And if that's what he did mean, then he's an even bigger idiot than I thought.
- mcarrel, on 04/29/2009, -4/+13It doesn't matter whether you consider waterboarding to be a war crime - it is. We've tried, convicted and hanged people for waterboarading as a war crime.
- trutek, on 04/29/2009, -2/+11I love how you anti-choicers are so hypocritical. It's only ok to kill when a flawed justice system says so. And as far as late term abortions (or partial birth if you're looking for a more incendiary term) go, they are performed in medical emergencies when there is a high risk of the mothers death and a low probability of the baby surviving.
And in closing LoneRanger you are a stupid douche. - Doxocopa, on 04/28/2009, -10/+18But the question is looming: from now on, can people in the higher levels of government ever be trusted again???
- 8FoldPath, on 04/29/2009, -3/+11OK, I'll try to keep it simple for you so you can understand and tell your right-wing comrades:
1. US courts have repeatedly ruled that waterboarding is torture.
2. Torture is illegal, therefore...
Wait for it...
3. Waterboarding is illegal.
Isn't logic wonderful? Beats ***** every time. - 8FoldPath, on 04/29/2009, -1/+9Keep thinking like that and your politicians will never win another election. Got it yet?
- AmazingSteve, on 04/29/2009, -2/+10"Lies- Politicians lie get used to it"
Funny how the Freepers didn't have THAT attitude when it came to the Clinton witch hunt. Payback's a bitch. Get used to it. - Acewrap, on 04/29/2009, -2/+10How are those grapes? Pretty sour I bet.
- MelvinSchlubman, on 04/29/2009, -1/+9> ask your elected representatives why they haven't done a damn thing about abortion.
I expect strifeprime knows this, but maybe LoneRanger85 doesn't: the Repubs don't want to outlaw abortion because then they'd lose it as a campaign issue. - Waiting2awake, on 04/29/2009, -2/+10Doesn't matter. Everyone from the person that actually tortured, to the people that said it was OK, to the people that saw it and turned away.... ALL of them must be tried and, if found guilty, hung by the neck until they are dead...
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -5/+13...
Lukas, you're such a ***** chump. - inactive, on 04/29/2009, -3/+11Factual issues of that statement aside, are you comparing Bush to Roosevelt and Lincoln? Seriously?
- heysuburbia, on 04/29/2009, -2/+10Here is your source, moron:
Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his Japanese captors.[70] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified "Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I'd get my breath, then they'd start over again… I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death."[30]
70. Wallach, Evan (November 4, 2007). "Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime". The Washington Post: p. B01. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ... Retrieved on April 18, 2009.
30. Wallach, Evan (2007). "Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History of Water Torture in U.S. Courts". The Columbia Journal of Transnational Law 45 (2): 468–506. ISSN 0010-1931. http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?UIN=20809476 ... A rough draft is also available. - Hendo420, on 04/29/2009, -9/+16Put Bush in Jail, his own words “War Crimes Will Be Prosecuted". Torture is a War Crime, treat it that way.
- gllopc, on 04/29/2009, -1/+8You shouldn't trust anyone in an administrative, policy-based position in the government. When your quality, and quantity, of life is at stake, you should loudly demand their honesty, and condemn their harmful actions and inaction. You should also let them know when they're doing a good job.
But never trust them. - inactive, on 04/29/2009, -3/+10Keep saying it over and over. Still won't be true.
- bsmang, on 04/29/2009, -3/+10What's funny is that Bush is so insanely retarded and that you don't even seem to notice at all - literally the only thing you're able to do is generate completely failed jabs the much smarter and far more articulate president Obama.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -0/+7"If crimes were committed against Iraqis, they should be able to file a civil action against him at the very least."
They are blocked from doing so by legal moves instituted under his Administration.
As for it being a witch hunt, no, this is a different thing. Mostly, the way the law works, is that if someone commits a crime, the evidence of it is discovered, investigated, and then there is a trial. We are just in that process now. If Bush or his cronies are not guilty of anything, they really don't have anything to fear from a release of information. - Me1000, on 04/29/2009, -1/+8An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!
- pintomp3, on 04/29/2009, -3/+101 of 49 Republican Senators voted against the resolution
Why didn't the Republicans stop it? It's the Democrats' job to stop the Republicans from starting illegal wars? - inactive, on 04/29/2009, -1/+8The international tribunals executed war criminals for it.
The US jailed people for it. - inactive, on 04/29/2009, -1/+7When someone has committed a crime, society generally does not just 'get over it'.
Usually the way we do things is investigate people who have done things *in the past* since we do not yet have time travel. - aijazbaig1, on 04/29/2009, -2/+8Those who wish to get a quick view of how washington spawned saddam in the 60s and did not care what he did to his people as long as he was America's bastard should probably read this:
A tyrant 40 years in the making from the NYT
http://digg.com/political_opinion/A_Tyrant_40_Year ...
From the FTA:
"The Iraqi leader seen as a grave threat in 1963 was Abdel Karim Kassem, a general who five years earlier had deposed the Western-allied Iraqi monarchy. Washington's role in the coup went unreported at the time and has been little noted since. America's anti-Kassem intrigue has been widely substantiated, however, in disclosures by the Senate Committee on Intelligence and in the work of journalists and historians like David Wise, an authority on the C.I.A."
FTA:
"The United States also sent arms to the new regime, weapons later used against the same Kurdish insurgents the United States had backed against Kassem and then abandoned. Soon, Western corporations like Mobil, Bechtel and British Petroleum were doing business with Baghdad -- for American firms, their first major involvement in Iraq."
Also FTA:
"As its instrument the C.I.A. had chosen the authoritarian and anti-Communist Baath Party, in 1963 still a relatively small political faction influential in the Iraqi Army. According to the former Baathist leader Hani Fkaiki, among party members colluding with the C.I.A. in 1962 and 1963 was Saddam Hussein, then a 25-year-old who had fled to Cairo after taking part in a failed assassination of
Kassem in 1958. According to Western scholars, as well as Iraqi refugees and a British human rights organization, the 1963 coup was accompanied by a bloodbath. Using lists of suspected Communists and other leftists provided by the C.I.A., the Baathists systematically murdered untold numbers of Iraq's educated elite -- killings in which Saddam Hussein himself is said to have participated. No one knows the exact toll, but accounts agree that the victims included hundreds of doctors, teachers, technicians, lawyers and other professionals as well as military and political figures. - Zanarkand, on 04/29/2009, -1/+7Your missing the point that you can't torture people. The US has always had a firm stand on this because we don't want our citizens that may be political prisoners or POWs over in another country to be subjected to this same treatment. And if it does happen we go after them in court or in war. Let's say the US citizen that right now is in jail in Iran for treason is shown on Iran TV being waterboarded for information. I guess that is OK with you because they feel she is a terrorist and they are just "protecting" Iranian soil? It's too much of a slippery slope.
- inactive, on 04/29/2009, -5/+11I've noticed you've really been running out of energy the last few days, can't even be bothered to marshal even an attempt at a logical argument, not that you were ever very good at that. I understand. Must be tiring trying to invent ***** reasons to support your failed authority figures all the live-long day.
- PhilliesBlunt, on 04/29/2009, -1/+7From what I heard when the scandal first broke years ago, there were documented incidents of beatings, rape, and sexual assault in addition to what was shown in photos, or documented as the official policy of the government. Regardless, it's disgraceful.
- ShakingSpirit, on 04/29/2009, -3/+9But don't you see!? The Geneva Conventions may specifically state, "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion" but of course, they're not _technically_ 'enemy combatants' are they? So, therefore they have no rights! This is how the bush supporter's mind works - if you can't justify yourself morally, use semantics.
- DankBuddz, on 04/29/2009, -3/+9"Do whatever it takes, however the job needs to get done to protect American soil. You dumbass libs act like this somehow effected you. Michael Savage puts it best, "Liberalism is a mental disorder" and I fully believe it!"
You seem to be missing the issue of whether or not it made us safer. For someone who clearly doesn't get their news or information from anywhere but Fox, I can't really blame you.
"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward."
-FDR
Personally, I like that one. -
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