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- treehugger87, on 06/05/2009, -10/+180While the so-called conservatives are preparing for civil war because they think a socialist dictatorship has taken over, civil liberties that true conservatives care so much about were assulted by the Bush administration and they don't seem to care.
Do you think it's more important that we protect ourselves from imagined brown-skinned terrorists or from any possibility that in the future the President could order a terrorist act like this one against his own citizens? Give ME liberty or give me death. - JoeParanoid, on 06/05/2009, -3/+106The Bush Administration viewed whistleblowers as more dangerous than terrorists. This completely disproves any claims that the Bushies did anything in good faith. All their actions demonstrated consciousness of guilt.
- inactive, on 06/05/2009, -7/+90Bush needs to be imprisoned for a long, long, time!
There is a concerted effort by our "authorities" to get everyone thrown into "the system", whether it be the legal system, the prison system, welfare system, etc.!
Corporations have merged with government, which was basically Mussolini's definition of fascism:
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini. - jsffive, on 06/05/2009, -15/+96The cops are such pussies, they can't even sneak into a house that's occupied by women and children without wearing their body armor. Hmph.
- cherrysweet00, on 06/05/2009, -2/+53...or... How many body-armor clad FBI goons does it take to screw in a listening device?
- kemp34, on 06/05/2009, -3/+37Most folks who support Bush are better termed Neo-Cons.
Traditional conservatives had a long running love for protections against tyranny and are often the most principled limited government (limiting government abuse included) supporters. Nowadays, more of these traditional conservatives are more libertarian or constitutionalists.
The Neo-Con tent is shrinking and they have also really collapsed the Republican Party. - dreamtiger, on 06/05/2009, -5/+32I am astonished, after enduring 8 years of the criminal Bush administration, that anyone whatsoever could call the Republicans the lesser evil. Conservatism has fallen upon sad days indeed.
- ChristmasPoo, on 06/05/2009, -6/+31Your comment is filled with irony and contradiction. Sometimes it's best to say nothing.
- mxxz, on 06/05/2009, -0/+21It just show ignorance, when you vote for a party based upon their name not their platform or candidate. You've missed whole point of election campaigns.
- kaelyiesta, on 06/05/2009, -0/+20But it's ok now. Our government nearly unanimously voted and passed a law retroactively making warrantless wiretapping legal. It's the law so it must be ok. These cops were just retroactively doing the right thing.
Less sarcastically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surve ... - casek, on 06/05/2009, -0/+19voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
we, as conservatives, need to demand politicians that
uphold our constitution and do not pander to lobbyists,
charity case nations, etc.
dems and repubs:
do you realize what is happening every time you vote
one of these ***** in to office? you're aiding the
downfall of our nation.
demand accountability. demand constitutionality. - LouisCipher777, on 06/05/2009, -1/+19I have to agree with you treehugger. I am a conservative from way back and I still voted for Kerry in 2004 as the lesser of two evils vote.... of course they are all just more of the same. Kerry is a member of skull and bones, just like our last 5 presidents.
- treehugger87, on 06/05/2009, -4/+20Every conservative I know who still had their own ability of independant thought intact after the years from 2000 to late 2003 voted for John Kerry for President. He may have gaffed, come across as elite, liberal or even absent-minded, but he was absolutely the lesser of two evils in the election that decided who would be President from 2004 to 2008. Can't you see now what the rest of us knew then?
- angusm, on 06/05/2009, -0/+16treehugger87: "Give me liberty or give me death!"
TotalitarianState: "OK, that works for us. Death it is." - joe8pack, on 06/05/2009, -4/+19Welcome to the land of the Free and the home of the Brave. How long before you realize its just a police state with nice landscaping?
- casek, on 06/05/2009, -0/+15maybe it is you who should be in prison? withholding the spying on innocent civilians
is a crime within itself.
this man is a brave american who did what he was supposed to do. the NSA and CIA
were not set up to spy on us. - absurdist, on 06/05/2009, -1/+14They don't screw in listening devices. They screw in the locker room when their shifts are over.
http://www.instantrimshot.com - Kyzzyxx, on 06/05/2009, -0/+13Voting is easy to solve. Just 1 simple rule.
IF THEY LIE, DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM!
If all voters followed this one simple rule, we would not be where we are now. - BoneheadFarker, on 06/05/2009, -1/+12Yeah DavidNiven, I hear what you're saying. It's not like you could ever vote for a third party candidate that you actually agree with instead of the eternal enemy of the Republican party either. I mean really...having to choose between more then two candidates is so confusing. No one else in the world ever does this. And choices are overrated anyways. No, it's always better to always vote Republican no matter what. It doesn't require any thought, so it's just easier that way....
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 06/05/2009, -1/+12This is a nationalist fascist attitude.
How else is anyone going to know the government is doing anything illegal?
What we need is a law that it's NOT illegal to reveal the government is doing something illegal. How the hell else to you expect to protect the Constitution?
Nationalism is not patriotism. Sticking up for the Constitution is. - kemp34, on 06/05/2009, -3/+14oh god, get over it... that guy committed the crime months ago... anything that happened in the past, no big deal...
/idiocy - s73v3r, on 06/05/2009, -0/+10The "national secrets" in this case were programs of an extremely illegal and unconstitutional manner. I don't believe the government has any kind of right to keep those secrets, or punish anyone who reveals them.
- MofS, on 08/13/2009, -1/+11LOL@18 armored men with guns needed to raid a known peaceful man's home. Just imagine how the kids must have reacted.
"daddy, why are they taking you away?"
"I..uh...was fighting for our freedom" - kemp34, on 06/05/2009, -0/+10Not quite sure if you understand how treason works.
- inactive, on 06/05/2009, -0/+10Great points!
Bush should be on trial for this episode and, even more importantly, for promoting illegal TORTURE, instead of being allowed to spew out excuses for the torture with the help of Dick Cheney and other right-wing goons.
Many people are still very uninformed about the issues of the Bush/GOP torture program. Please help tell people that the International Red Cross says torture occurred under the Bush administration – a fact that the right wing has been doing its best to hide. Consider sending a few emails to friends and family to be sure they’re informed.
Here's a link to an article on Red Cross condemnation of the torture program that was promoted under the Bush administration:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/16/terror/m ...
Please spread the word online or however you can. - thenativeraver, on 06/05/2009, -5/+14"lawyer-cum-whistleblower"
That just sounds wrong... - jessemoya, on 06/05/2009, -0/+9So was revolting against taxation without representation.
Treason is deplorable when it seeks to bring down your own nation, but this was the most patriotic act of treason in modern history. Contrast that with outing an undercover agent for political purposes.
Prison? This man deserves his own holiday. - Khast, on 06/05/2009, -0/+9Hmm, over the course of Bush's presidency...wasn't the term "National Security" way overused? (Or should I say abused.)
Anyone who is willing to give up their freedom in the name of security DESERVES NEITHER. - kemp34, on 06/05/2009, -4/+12They may have been overwhelmed, but they were not silent.
- Kyzzyxx, on 06/05/2009, -1/+9Wow, how stupid.
There is another law that states that if you witness a crime, you are obligated to report it. If you do not then you can be arrested and charged also. - mikelieman, on 06/05/2009, -0/+8@David Niven,
Seriously, WTF could Gore/Lieberman have done which was WORSE than Bush/Cheney?
Biggest Debt Ever
Destroyed Economy
9/11 Happened on their watch
Fraud leading to Iraq Invasion and Occupation
I'm wondering exactly what "Evil" Gore/Lieberman were going to do which would have been greater than that.
Is "lesser of 2 evils" "Loyal Trotskyite Bushie" code for "Lieberman is Jewish" or something? - s73v3r, on 06/05/2009, -0/+7Thomas Tamm stands ten feet tall and has two hundred wives. Every morning, each of his two hundred wives are required to cook the feast which is his breakfast.
- lennybird, on 06/05/2009, -2/+9Bilbus, That is the worst argument ever. You have to understand that an example needs to be set. They know they can continually get away with it, so nothing will ever change for real. If you could put Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney behind bars - that would send a huge shockwave through our government.
What good is our ***** Constitution if there is no justice? Not even a trial? - lennybird, on 06/05/2009, -5/+11I'm speaking purely on behalf of myself: While Obama is far from perfect and there are A LOT of things I disagree with him on, I'll take him over Bush any day.
- mikelieman, on 06/05/2009, -0/+6For what it's worth... What are now called "Paleo-Conservatives" were read out of the party by David Frum at the beginning of the Loyal-Trotskyite-Bushies penetration of the federal government.
- jessemoya, on 06/05/2009, -0/+6I think it's an important part of the story because it's one of many details that belie the intention of the raid: intimidation.
- record200, on 06/06/2009, -2/+7Not all that is law is ok
- netneutrality, on 06/05/2009, -6/+11Paul/Kucinich 2012.
- s73v3r, on 06/05/2009, -0/+5It hasn't been "officially" declared unconstitutional because every time this issue tries to get before a judge, the government trots out its "State Secrets" defense and suddenly the judge cannot make any ruling.
And as for you saying that leaking this info is a Felony, why hasn't the administration put him on trial for it? Is it possible that they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a conviction, and that they would be forced to reveal more about their program, which might result in the program being declared illegal? - FuZi0nDET, on 06/06/2009, -1/+6To think this man could have ended up in jail for doing something patriotic? To think the right charges Obama as a socialist, when we had a fascist in the white house for 8 years!
- sciencelovesyou, on 06/05/2009, -1/+6Well, to be fair, take a look at the Mountain of Manliness that is Thomas Tamm. He eats gunpowder and ***** lightning! Frankly, anything less than eighteen armored vehicles is downright negligent!
- m3arvk, on 06/05/2009, -1/+6What's stupider than criticizing in others what you yourself have wrought?
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 06/05/2009, -0/+5I have one world for your attitude. Fascism.
http://mrxfromplanetx.com/14-points-of-fascism - s73v3r, on 06/05/2009, -0/+5Wait, I mean cake!
- kemp34, on 06/05/2009, -3/+8Who is this "you guys" you speak of? First indication of a dolt is the rapidity in which he/she jumps into collective charges against an individual who has demonstrated none of the behavior charged against.
Here is my commentary on the Bush reign:
http://www.ponderthis.net/2009/01/12/the-bush-era- ... - phil1232, on 06/05/2009, -0/+4In my city if person with no criminal record is being interviewed for a non-violent crime the investigators will wear suits and ties, and there usually won't be more than two of them.
18 men in body armour with guns is purely intimidation. - s73v3r, on 06/05/2009, -0/+4We all had our Right to Privacy taken from us. Whether you feel you weren't affected is irrelevant, that freedom was taken from us without being asked, and it doesn't look like we will get it back anytime soon.
As I said before, this man leaked information of extremely illegal and unconstitutional actions by the government. Treason is the act of extreme disloyalty/betrayal to one's country. This man did a service to our country by exposing these actions. If anyone is guilty, it is the officials who started and continue to do these blatant acts of unconstitutionality. - faskippy, on 06/06/2009, -0/+4Some people keep forgetting his low approval ratings. Around 20%. Those polls weren't just taken among democrats.
- s73v3r, on 06/05/2009, -0/+4While handing in a completely blank ballot might be a decent enough publicity stunt, I don't think it would help a lot in changing who's in office.
- bilbus, on 06/05/2009, -1/+5lol
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