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Bush Committed a Felony With Wiretaps But No One Cares

thinkprogress.org — Last night on MSNBC’s Coundown, law professor Jonathan Turley noted that just this week, a federal judge rejected President Bush’s claim that his “constitutional authority as commander in chief trumped” the FISA wiretapping law. Turley said last night that this is an “inconvenient fact” for many in Congress to admit that bush committed a felony.

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  • budgetguitar, on 07/09/2008, -1/+52I care.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -6/+48The leadership of the United States of America has committed high crimes and treason against the American people. Here is my list of charges against the Democrats and Republicans in the Senate and White House:

    1) They used false and misleading intelligence to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
    2) They have violated the Constitution by holding US citizens without charges
    3) They have violated the Constitution by tapping our calls without warrants
    4) They have violated the Geneva Conventions by waging wars of aggression for profit
    5) They have violated the Geneva Conventions by torturing enemy combatants in Abu Ghraib.
    6) They have committed financial crimes against the American people by devaluing our dollar.
    7) The outing of an undercover identity is a capital crime under US law.

    It is hereby RESOLVED that the DEMOCRATS are TRAITORS just like the REPUBLICANS. They have lost their claim to power by their illegal actions. The only answer is to PROTEST. Digg it up. If we don't stop them now we may not be able to.

    I'm going to the DNC to protest--then I'm going to the RNC to protest--then I'm going to DC
  • weboptimist, on 07/09/2008, -6/+36Typical of the history of this administration. They have gotten away with so much. All Clinton did was have an affair. Bush and his cronies have destroyed our economy and gotten thousands of people killed.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -2/+26"We frequently vote on matters we don't know about, but not one so blatent"

    Arlen Spector on retroactive immunity. Too funny (if it wasn't so ***** true).
  • purkel, on 07/09/2008, -6/+26put Bush and Cheney in jail. They are the real enemies of freedom.
  • swrostmore, on 07/09/2008, -1/+20All amendments removing retroactive immunity have failed. The only remaining vote is on the bill including immunity, which will pass unless there is some act of God.
  • dcbebop, on 07/09/2008, -0/+18It's not that no one cares, we care a lot. It's that the people who were elected to care about what WE care about, DON'T.
  • EarthernJar, on 07/09/2008, -0/+17Just want to take a second and put out a big "Nice ***** job, *****!" to everyone who voted this man into office.
  • Dagny2003, on 07/09/2008, -0/+15You're absolutely right. It makes perfect sense that we should run the American gov't in the same manner as an army. That is in perfect keeping with the ideals we were founded upon.

    Did you even think before you typed that asinine comment?
  • epohs, on 07/09/2008, -1/+16no one cares? seems to me there are a lot of people upset about this.
  • kickcows, on 07/09/2008, -2/+15"Where are his "crimes" to warrant impeachment?"

    I'd say that this would be it right here.
  • Stryder81, on 07/09/2008, -3/+15People would rather dog down McDonalds while texting and catching the latest episode of their favorite Reality TV show, that is what concerns the people of today.

    Then people wonder how someone like Obama can get so many supporters by saying " Change " over and over and people be dumb to it without knowing what exactly he is changing.

    It really is pathetic and depressing when you sit back and look at it.
  • an0nymous, on 07/09/2008, -1/+12Here's the chain.
    Illegal wiretapping is a felony under FISA.
    He illegally wiretapped.

    Am I missing something?
    Oh maybe you mean becaause he hasn't been sentenced. Allright he is an (as yet) unconvicted felon.
    Feel better?
  • pintomp3, on 07/09/2008, -0/+11http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s200 ...

    goodbye fourth amendment.
  • pintomp3, on 07/09/2008, -1/+12i do too. too bad we don't matter unless we have lobbyists working for us.
  • diggduggDOOM, on 07/09/2008, -0/+10James Guckert aka Jeff Gannon.

    Just a guess.
  • neozeed, on 07/09/2008, -13/+23Drugs, DUI's, gay prostitutes.

    It doesn't matter.
  • cmsimike, on 07/09/2008, -1/+11I am surprised that he hasn't offered everyone in America a free iPhone 3G to keep their attention diverted while this is going on.
  • swrostmore, on 07/09/2008, -4/+13They are voting on it right now - (cspan2 @ cspan.org)
  • dalnet22, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9Care to explain?
  • lpferris, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9Aye IL Obama, Barack [D]

    'Nuff said.
  • tumbler360, on 07/09/2008, -2/+10"Bush Committed a Felony With Wiretaps But No One Cares"

    Title should be corrected. I care, I'd like to throw him in jail but I don't have the authority to do that.

    Title should be, "Bush Committed a Felony with wiretaps but no one, who can do anything about it, cares.

    I can vote but that doesn't seem to have any connection to how those elected will choose to act. Hopefully when it comes time to vote for senators and house reps we'll all remember who did what...but I doubt it.
  • STPZ, on 07/09/2008, -0/+7And it passed 69-28 goodbye constitution
  • vegask, on 07/09/2008, -0/+7http://digg.com/politics/Fisa_pig_fockers list of traitors.
  • laserdog, on 07/09/2008, -1/+8"No. He didn't."

    I'm honestly interested in hear a detailed defense of bush on this matter.

    I'm just going to dig this one down in hopes that you post one with some sort of argument, or anything of substance.
  • laserdog, on 07/09/2008, -0/+7You know, I'm at the end of my rope with the DNC too.

    At least the republicans thought they were going to get away with it. I can empathize with that.

    But I cannot understand the Democrat's inaction, at all.

    At first I thought they were just giving the neocon's enough rope to hang themselves with.

    But now... I just have no idea what game they're playing at.

    It's like they've adopted the "Colmes" defense of being nothing more than a buck-toothed strawman.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -4/+11No one cares because no one can do anything about it... he is above the law and whoever thinks otherwise is being naive. This government is inherently inefficient, wasteful, and very coercive. Citizens of the US are nothing more than publicly owned slaves. Move to a better country while you still can.
  • allisonaxe, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7this whole thing has me outraged, its as if they asked the criminals if they want to be prosecuted, the criminals said "no, i'd rather not," and everyone decided to just sweep it under the rug.

    would Canada please team up with the EU nations and invade us? our military is stripped so thin right now due to abuse of its resources, there wouldn't be much we could do to stop it, and it may actually allow us to clean up this mess we're in if our current leadership were treated like the war criminals they are.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -7/+13What emergency?
    You rightard have been milking that for years to rubber stamp every stupid idea out of PNAC.
    Isn't it about time you found some ethics and began focussing on doing the RIGHT things rather than shilling for corruption and failure?
    Or I guess you could man up and enlist and actually fight the fight you cheerlead for.
    Nah, ***** like to call for wars but are too cowardly to do the fighting.
    Kudos to you for shilling for war but being too much of a little bitch to actually stand up and fight.
    I bet you keep telling yourself you do more shilling for Bush than fighting the war you rightards insist is vital to the survival of America. What kind of cowardly turd would believe that and still not enlist?
    A typical rightard?

  • Hetman, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6Bush, the senate, the congress and every other Representative is just as responsible for passing FISA.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -4/+9And if elected Obama will have those same powers to continue right down this path. Possibly even more powers, considering he's backing the FISA compromise.

    Yet people like Cryrightcry still believe that Obama is one of the "good guys" and Bush is one of the "bad guys".

    Those ***** suckers.
  • an0nymous, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6Please cite these authorities and I will rebut each and at length.
    In short: you are bluffing or ignorant.
  • an0nymous, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6Couldn't find any "well documented facts as interpreted by nonpartisan legal and constitutional authorities" on google, eh?

    But here. I'll meet your burden of proof:
    Bush wiretapped without a warrant:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16progr ...

    A judge has said so as well:
    [JUDGE JACKSON] [Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act states that] “the FISA of 1978 [fines; imprisonment for violation] shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance of foreign intelligence communications may be conducted.” [emphasis added] … The wiretapping program here in litigation has undisputedly been continued for at least five years, it has undisputedly been implemented without regard to FISA … [and it] has been acknowledged by this Administration to have been authorized by the President’s secret order during 2002 and reauthorized at least thirty times since.

    And it is a felony:
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl ...

    So there you go: he did (x30). It's a felony. He's a felon.
    Quote ONE expert (not in the President's employ) who says otherwise, *****.
  • readerz, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6"Don't worry keep ignoring the facts, We all shall be criminals by the time they're done passing all these frivolous laws on citizens"

    "freedom is -history"
  • pushu, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5Today, the term "national security" has become a code word for ignoring the civil rights and liberties of all people. It is unfortunate because "national security" has been around since the beginning of our nation and yet, people's civil rights and liberties were respected and safeguarded. What changed everything?
  • SwordOfShannara, on 07/09/2008, -4/+9You can take action against this here: http://www.accountabilitynowpac.com Strangebedfellows is a right-left coalition that aims to hold these politicians accountable by removing them from office.
  • rubaaan, on 07/09/2008, -1/+5by 'no one cares' they mean 'no ones doing anything about it'
  • MoeBlaksBrother, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4You know the war on terror is fake, right?
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6Bush, Cheney, McCain, Obama and on and on and on are no different.
  • hugolp, on 07/09/2008, -5/+9I think that if you have to start counting Bush delictive activities we could be here until next month.
  • ganeshsugunan, on 07/09/2008, -1/+5perjury doesn't kill people, and if Bush actually went in front of a court, do you think he'd tell the truth? Also, members of the bush administration have already committed perjury repeatedly.
  • jaymzdean, on 07/09/2008, -1/+5I really hope that the psychological cocoon in which the collective brain of the masses resides hasn't cut them off from reality to the degree that they're going to try to deny the existence of "Jeff Gannon".
    Whoa.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -1/+5I care and I am someone!
  • AlienMushroom, on 07/09/2008, -1/+4United Politicians of America.
  • OldJesser, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3I wrote to both my MT senators about this bill. Guess who didn't understand the material, and which way their vote went.
  • an0nymous, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3You are correct about the name calling and I apologize. It was done of frustration.
    Tough day.
    Constitution shredded and all that.

    Now then. The Judgement of the 6th court you posted only states that the Plantiffs do not have the legal standing to sue the telecoms because they do not have proof that they were being wiretapped. SUch proof being a National Security secret, it is quite difficult to obtain.

    This does not affect my assertions:
    1. Bush ordered illegal wiretapping
    2. Illegal wiretapping is a felony.
    3. Bush is a felon.

    Keep trying. These facts will not change.

  • AnarkeIncarnate, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3Yes. The right to keep and bear arms.
  • inactive, on 07/09/2008, -3/+6This is the dying gasp of the post 9/11 fear mongering. They got away with so much crap because we were scared. On the upside, it puts an end to the wireless wiretapping
    And take notice, Obama voted for Chris Dodd's amendment that would have stripped the telecom immunity. It failed to go through.
  • Dagny2003, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3@PabloMac:
    Maybe I was vague for my desire to be brief. My point was that he was lying about incredibly important things, to our faces, but no one paid enough attention to know or care, even though it was on the news and in the papers. Then he lies about an affair and suddenly, everyone jumps a bandwagon. The truth is that an affair is a far more accessible concept for the average person than political and legal concepts that would require an effort to understand. That is what we are seeing here. The average American feels he/she does not have the right to 'trump' the actions of their leaders based on subjects they are not experts in because they have been led to believe said leaders are experts in them themselves (which is rarely true). Give them an affair, though, and now you're talking! We all know plenty about fidelity and infidelity, therefore they feel they have the right to speak up. If W started screwing around on his wife, beating his daughters or doing anything that citizens could get their heads around on a concrete level, he'd be out on his ass in a second. I guess I was speaking more to the impotence of the public when it comes to issues they mistakenly believe are beyond them versus their tenacity on more plebeian issues.
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