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- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -14/+251Poor Bush! He hates it when Congress pays attention to its constituency! It's anti-fascist!
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -7/+212Those left wing bloggers are called "voters", Bush. They used to influence elections.
- allowners, on 02/16/2008, -10/+177Bush caved to fascist extremists long ago. From his perspective anything less than boot licking fawning is "left wing,"
- EarlOfLade, on 02/16/2008, -8/+118It is the criminals in the White House that is a threat to US security, not Congress.
- 2trkpony, on 02/16/2008, -9/+79How dare they oppose barbaric, draconian torture! They must be anti American and 'enemies of freedom' etc. Torture is as American as war fraud & crimes, no-bid Halliburton contracts in IRAQ, and 9/11 cover-up. Pass the apple pie...
Could you imagine if IRAN practiced 'water-boarding' torture??? Heaven forbid! Lord Bush would declare WW-III immediately *today* without delay. They'd be bombed to a smoldering bloody pulp. Compliments of freedom, inc. - jurnei, on 02/16/2008, -5/+75Torture is illegal. It puts our troops overseas at risk as well. We are supposed to civilized. European nations don't even use the death penalty. We propose our humanitarian beliefs, yet we speak out the other side of our mouth in actions in this world. This is one of the reasons the world hates the US. Many nation are boycotting.
- GrandmaSheila, on 02/16/2008, -5/+67"If you're not with us, you're against us", the sinister mantra of all tyrants, and especially the junta.
"We have met the enemy, and he is us"
So who protects us from a rogue government, now that Congress has been neutralized, and the Courts infiltrated with lackey enablers? - Insightful, on 02/16/2008, -9/+71Note to White House: They are called Americans and American Values. Perhaps you have forgotten who and what they are and what this country stands for.
- siszam, on 02/16/2008, -7/+59My son is a Marine. I don't want him tortured. If he is ever captured I would hope his captors would be civilized. But you think it's alright for people to torture their enemies, meaning it's alright for Americans to be tortured too. That makes you a terrorist and a coward. That's why people hate Americans. They think we're all like you and we're not. Thank God.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -6/+50The nut never falls far from the tree.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.se ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6J6Wx0t8w
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.
-Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Gulag Archipelago
- WestonP, on 02/16/2008, -4/+44I don't think Bush even understands what a "blogger" is... we're talking about a guy who says things like "I like to use The Google"
- Brian47126, on 02/16/2008, -6/+43Mr Bush, you would not know a blogger if he ran up and kicked you in your neo-fascist ass. Would it be too much to ask if you could just stop using the Constitution as toilet paper? I mean you have really raped the American people and made the US a laughing stock of the world... Perhaps you could just take the last year off and stop ***** us over... Please...
- chrisutley, on 02/16/2008, -2/+37I'm an Independent that ran from the Republican party when the RIGHT wing took over. What makes me sick about this story is the President of the United States trying to portray anyone that cares about the Constitution and our Liberties as a left wing "nut". He is without a doubt the very worst President this Country has ever had. So much for, "preserve, protect, defend the Constitution of the United States of America" ...
- chipsngravy, on 02/16/2008, -2/+36So your point is what exactly? That Al Qaeda torture and brutalize people, therefore it's ok for the USA to do it too?
It may have escaped your notice, but the USA *claims* to be a free and civilized nation which adheres the rule of law. Presumably the troops believe these are values which make America a nation worth fighting for.
When you give up your commitment to such things as justice, freedom, human dignity and the rule of law you become barbarians no better than Al Qaeda or Saddam Hussein. - chipsngravy, on 02/16/2008, -5/+39Not everyone lives in the USA, dumbass.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -3/+36Wouldn't it be great if that were true?
- Aggaman, on 02/16/2008, -5/+38You're right. You better look out because we are going to burn your church down, kill your children and make homosexual marriage compulsory!!!
- dunderballer, on 02/16/2008, -2/+32I love how those at the top refer to bloggers as extremists as if the only thing differentiating a blogger from a journalist, politician, or executive, wasn't that a blogger is an everyday person.
- nicholai, on 02/16/2008, -4/+30First of all, did you even read the article? Bush was saying that the bloggers were having an effect. Second, we are not all "left wing". A lot of us are libertarians that hate "big brother" a lot more than any "left wing" groups.
- drgmdp, on 02/16/2008, -5/+30i think he was talking about foreign enemies being waterboarded
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -5/+30I love the way the US is coming apart at the seams. From a (substantially more objective, better informed, better educated) European perspective what's mentioned in this article, and the general stance of G.W. Bush is ridiculous and is starting to look Monty Pythonesque. The major issue I can't wrap my head around is motive. Is this a peculiar aspect of right wing thinking? Is it fear of the US hegemony collapsing? Is it some grand political plan we don't know anything about? Whatever the case this lunatic should be held accountable. If I were Bush I wouldn't travel abroad much; even flying over the wrong country can have police officers forcing his ex-presidential plane down on an unfriendly airport and arresting him on charges of crimes against humanity. This hatred of Bush won't quiet down fast.
In these trouble last months of the Bush regime it is important that rational americans understand the rest of the world positively LOATHES this monster and that what is happening ins't the rants of a small leftwing lunatic fringe - it is the world sharing the fears of sane americans, versus a small deluded rightwing neofascists in the US, who are collaborators with the criminal Bush regime.
Don't cave in. Keep this criminal in a corner untill you can get rid of him. And after he leaves office, keep the legal teams nipping at his ankles for the rest of his life. Prosecute them all, every single collaborating criminal until they have all fled to some villa somewhere in southamerica, committed suicide or are firmly in prison for life. - maiku00, on 02/16/2008, -3/+28in most of europe, our democratic party would be considered "right-wing"
- arcticblue, on 02/16/2008, -4/+28Just ignore LukasSmith. He has nothing better to do than troll digg submissions and spew crap no one cares about (most of the time he is attempting to insult and belittle). It's quite sad when you think about it.
- kurttrail, on 02/16/2008, -4/+27Well you must be a moron. Suggesting people ignore you isn't denying you any free speech rights.
If you really believe your nonsense, then back it up and PROVE that a majority of Americans are for torture. If not, then maybe you should consider that all you are doing is making a fool of yourself by spewing utter *****. - Rhendal, on 02/16/2008, -4/+27Wait, you mean Congress is listening to the people? Like how our government was structured? HEAVEN FORBID!
- chipsngravy, on 02/16/2008, -5/+28This wouldn't be a valid point even if we accept the highly dubious premiss that the war has something to do with "defense".
- 2trkpony, on 02/16/2008, -4/+26"You've got to be kidding."
Why would I be kidding about something as serious as prisoner abuse & detainee torture? It's certainly nothing to joke about. I don't find it funny.
"How many of these victims do you think would have chosen water boarding. Too bad they didn't have a choice.'
At U.S. Military prisons Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, torture victims don't have much of a choice either..and are subjected to similar, and sometimes far worse methods of cruel, barbaric & inhumane torture.
According to country reports, Iran's common methods of torture used against political opponents are sleep deprivation and "suspension for long periods in contorted positions."..
Waterboarding: a device meant to "simulate drowning" or to "make the prisoner believe he might drown." This is somehow preferential to Iran's methods?
Waterboarding it is one of the most viciously effective forms of torture ever devised.
The legislation backed by Bush and congressional Republicans would explicitly permit the use of evidence obtained through waterboarding and other forms of torture.
Not only do waterboarding and the other types of torture currently being debated put us in company with the most vile regimes of the past half-century; they're also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) confession, not to obtain genuinely actionable intel. This isn't a matter of sacrificing moral values to keep us 'safe'; it's sacrificing moral values for no purpose whatsoever.
Guantanamo Bay detention camp US military prison:
Detainees are being held for protracted periods with insufficient legal safeguards and without judicial assessment of the justification for their detention. Detainees are held in small, cramped mesh-sided cells, and lights are kept on day and night.
Some of the many torture methods utilized at Guantanamo Bay:
'Short shackling' and using dogs to induce fear. Short shackling involves shackling a detainee to a hook in the floor to limit movement.
Sleep deprivation.
Tortured using the 'strappado', a technique common in Latin American dictatorships in which a prisoner is left suspended from a bar with handcuffs until they cut deeply into their wrists. Detainees tortured via this method usually end up with broken wrists.
The use of so-called 'truth drugs' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_drug
Cold-hot shock rooms. Once detainees are in the room very hot air is pumped inside. After that, extremely cold, near freezing, air is pumped in. It is a horrifying kind of torture.
Electrical shocks.
Drowning in water tanks,
Depriving of food and water,
chaining and hanging to the ceiling.
Some detainees are permanently blinded by pepper spray.
Detainees stripped of clothes,
Chaining and hanging detainees to the wall sometimes for weeks at a time.
Detainees not given any food for 20 days.
Psychological torture.
Shackles pressing on their legs chained to the floor.
Repeatedly shaved against their will.
Interrogated hundreds times,
beaten, tortured with broken glass, barbed wire, burning cigarettes, and sexual assaults.
Sexual methods were used by female interrogators to 'break' Muslim prisoners..
Sensory deprivation.
Systematic abuse, frequent beatings, chokings, and sleep deprivation for days on end.
Sexual abuse which has had mental health consequences.
Exposure to loud noise or music,
prolonged extreme temperatures
Intense beatings.
Female interrogators forcibly squeeze male prisoners' genitals, other detainees stripped and shackled low to the floor for many hours.
Religious humiliation.
Detainees chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water.
Many Guantanamo detainees have tried to commit suicide figuring it's better to be dead be subjected to U.S. torture methods.
People dying as result of above mentioned torture methods.
Spc. Sean Baker, a soldier posing as a prisoner during training exercises at the camp, was beaten so severely that he suffered a brain injury and seizures.
As part of their plea bargains, many detainees withdrew any allegations of mistreatment.
Also, detainees cannot disclose in public anything they have encountered at Guantanamo until it too has been been de-classified, on pain of likely imprisonment in the US. How convenient. This means many of the abuses are going unreported.
Guantanamo torture worse than reported:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010205A.shtml
U.S. Memo Broadens Definition of Torture
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010205A.shtml#1
& if that wasn't enough..
Abu Ghraib U.S. military prison:
Where American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?
As many as fifty thousand men and women—no accurate count is possible-- are jammed into Abu Ghraib at one time, in twelve-by-twelve-foot cells that were little more than human holding pits.
Most of the prisoners, however—by the fall there were several thousand, including women and teen-agers—were civilians, many of whom had been picked up in random military sweeps and at highway checkpoints. Crammed into Abu Ghraib as enemy combatants.
Sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses” at Abu Ghraib.
Systematic and illegal abuse of detainees includes, but not limited to:
Guards beating people to death with sticks and cables. When they got tired, the guards would switch with other guards.
Black hoods forced upon detainees heads, then high voltage electricity was applied.
Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;
Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
Pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;
pouring cold water on naked detainees;
beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
threatening male detainees with rape;
allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;
sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick,
using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and instances of dogs actually biting detainees.
/etc.,
The photographs—several of which were broadcast on CBS’s “60 Minutes—show leering G.I.s taunting naked Iraqi prisoners who are forced to assume humiliating poses. Six U.S. Military suspects faced prosecution in Iraq on charges that include conspiracy, dereliction of duty, cruelty toward prisoners, maltreatment, assault, and indecent acts.
The photographs tell it all. In one, U.S. military Private England, a cigarette dangling from her mouth, is giving a jaunty thumbs-up sign and pointing at the genitals of a young Iraqi, who is naked except for a sandbag over his head, as he masturbates. Three other hooded and naked Iraqi prisoners are shown, hands reflexively crossed over their genitals. A fifth prisoner has his hands at his sides. In another, England stands arm in arm with Specialist Graner; both are grinning and giving the thumbs-up behind a cluster of perhaps seven naked Iraqis, knees bent, piled clumsily on top of each other in a pyramid. There is another photograph of a cluster of naked prisoners, again piled in a pyramid. Near them stands Graner, smiling, his arms crossed; a woman soldier stands in front of him, bending over, and she, too, is smiling. Then, there is another cluster of hooded bodies, with a female soldier standing in front, taking photographs. Yet another photograph shows a kneeling, naked, unhooded male prisoner, head momentarily turned away from the camera, posed to make it appear that he is performing oral sex on another male prisoner, who is naked and hooded.
Abu Ghraib torture photos (warning: graphic)
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
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http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/prison/abu-ghr ...
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The hidden history of CIA torture - Abu Ghraib is only the newest U.S. atrocity
http://tinyurl.com/jyr72
The U.S. in certainly in no position or moral high ground to fault other nations about abusive, criminal torture methods..
All torture is awful. Period. It should not be permitted anywhere and abolished. Perhaps some day we can evolve as a species to realize this.
Americans cannot teach democracy to the world until they restore their own. - jaxcs, on 02/16/2008, -2/+24Man... you're insane. Do you really want to define conservatism as the party for torture? This lady has a son who is in the marines and is proud of her son and the country and only hopes that her son will be safe. For this she is called a stupid liberal? Based on her comments you can't determine her political party in the slightest. People like you define the word intolerant. You would call any person who disagree with you as liberal.
Your incredibly long list of facts is also flawed. You don't understand the religion or the culture. At times you are a hypocrite castigating Muslim countries for not being democracies when one of our closest allies in the region, long supported by American dollars and might, Saudi Arabia, is also ruled by a king. You decry the fact that homosexuals are hanged but in this country have long sought to minimize their rights. You are so blinded by your righteous fury you can't recognize your own lies. - kurttrail, on 02/16/2008, -5/+27"First, National Defense is not a popularity contest so I could care less if certain parts of the planet Hate America, it probably means we are doing the right thing."
Wow, I bet Hitler thought exactly the same thing. - arcticblue, on 02/16/2008, -2/+23Damn, just when I thought you could possibly be any dumber... Do you actually read this dribble you post here? Please, just go somewhere else where people might actually like you. Better yet, try presenting yourself semi-professionally and at least attempt to backup your statements. All you do on here is attack people you don't agree with (almost everyone) yet you never give reasoning for your side. Is your life really that boring where you just sit at your computer and try to fight with people online? Please, grow up and at try to have an intelligent discussion as opposed to spewing your hatespeech everywhere.
- amoirae, on 02/16/2008, -0/+20He's not even close. No gay man has standards that low.
- nblsavage, on 02/16/2008, -1/+21Want to explain what exactly you think "American" values are then? I'll bet you're wrong.
- obliviousfool, on 02/16/2008, -2/+22I think he's just pointing to a shining example of the doublespeak. Didn't Bush authorize 1,000s more border patrol agents, then refuse to fund them? Didn't we approve a fence, then build a few feet of it? I think he's just saying they obviously don't really care about our security. It's just an illusion, or lip service at the best.
- niczar, on 02/16/2008, -5/+25Considering that the US is the only first world country still actually killing people by the death penalty, you're in no place to criticize Iran.
- nicholai, on 02/16/2008, -3/+23I normally disagree with democrats but I would love to see the US purged of sadistic neocons.
- obliviousfool, on 02/16/2008, -2/+21Congress opposes torture? Well, they're doing a damn poor job of it!
- Spytap, on 02/16/2008, -1/+20USED TO indeed. Now, we have no idea how much power these supposed "voters" have...
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -1/+20Now if they'll only cave in some more and impeach the bastard.
- nicholai, on 02/16/2008, -5/+23I don't think the victims would choose water boarding. Nothing you listed is better or worse than water boarding, all torture should be banned everywhere.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -1/+19Little boy... I've listened to enough of your mindless prattling to know, you know ***** about *****. You have not neither been educated enough nor have lived long enough to add anything anyone would care about. So until you get your short hairs in, have some milk and cookies, go to bed and let the big people talk.
Nighty-night snookums - kurttrail, on 02/16/2008, -1/+19Terrorists have existed for a real long time. If you fear them, then you have let them win.
Why are you conservatives such *****? - inactive, on 02/16/2008, -1/+19You're a gay left wing fantasy!
- kurttrail, on 02/16/2008, -2/+20Not in a public men's room. That's where your kind go to blow and ***** each other.
- NikoKun, on 02/16/2008, -7/+24Bush thinks the will of the people... is just "left-wing bloggers"... -_- wow
- willfe, on 02/16/2008, -1/+18You imbecilic dolt. Of course the New York attack in 2001 proved terrorists exist (let's just ignore the whole "*they died too, you idiot*" bit for the moment). It's not that we ever doubted they exist, but they're just not *doing* anything to us these days. They don't *have* to. Apart from that moron who tried unsuccessfully to detonate a makeshift bomb hidden in his shoes (forever dooming the rest of us to be forced to take off our shoes to walk through the "smells like feet!" security checkpoints in our airports), there hasn't been one attempted terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11. Not one ***** attempt.
Your rant manages to cover all sorts of ground, though, so now that the harshest of my insults are hurled, I'll try to specifically address your idiotic complaints:
1) Yes, we know. Ironic that you demand we treat these politicians with the very same rights they're *taking away from people* (suspension of Habeus Corpus, military tribunals, holding indefinitely without charge, etc.). Of course, we've got a whole bunch of proof, and our efforts to obtain the rest of it are being stopped by White House officials deliberately refusing to obey lawful orders from Congress. That's called contempt, sport.
2) You seem to think handing land mines and machine guns to a militia composed of beer-swilling army rejects would be sufficient to "protect our borders" (from this ever-growing swarm of terrorists ... that aren't actually *doing* anything to us anymore), and that it's only a liberal conspiracy stopping it. Do you ***** *comprehend* the logistics of actively mining, patrolling, and enforcing a border the size of ours with Mexico?
3) I am missing the following rights, this very moment:
* The right to peacefully assemble and protest, bringing legitimate grievances against my government (I must participate in a "free speech zone" if I wish to say "Boo! Bush, you screwed up!" when the president goes outside to play; naturally, these "zones" are never placed anywhere near his planned routes)
* The right to a fair and speedy trial if I am declared an "enemy combatant" by the United States government (even as natural-born American citizen, I can be arrested, transported in secret to an unknown location, and held indefinitely, without being charged or being provided with a lawyer, and subjected to torture (as condemned by the United Nations), solely on the accusation of even a single person in the correct position of power.
* The right to appeal a decision against me made by a military court (if I am declared an "enemy combatant," a military court would eventually get around to calling me bad names before convicting and sentencing me)
* The right to expect reasonable amounts of privacy (the government can, according to president Bush, wiretap any communication device or line I use, at any time, at will, without court approval or warrant, without notice to me before or after the fact, with criminal penalties if anyone involved in the technological portion of that effort tries to even *tell* me it's happening).
You're a ***** moron ... truly. Yes, I know I probably just fed a troll, but I hope it was at least a full meal. - arcticblue, on 02/16/2008, -2/+19Yep, you're pretty ignorant. The only reason I haven't blocked you is because reading your posts is actually kind of entertaining.
- 2trkpony, on 02/16/2008, -9/+26Meanwhile, they leave our borders W I D E -- O P E N, unprotected, unsecured...Nothing has been done to protect USAs borders since 9/11/2001. Nothing.
If America was truly under 'foreign terrorist threat', and there were hordes of 'religious fanatic' cave people lurching about, conspiring & plotting to kill American lives & invade our country, if all this rhetoric was real as they want us to blindly, obediently, unquestionable believe without 2nd thought, and the administration was honest & truly serious about protecting America & our lives from such imminent threat, the borders would have been locked down, secured, protected, sealed off **immediately**, 9/12/2001 at the latest. Period.
Over 7 years have passed since that fatal day 9/11. This has yet to happen. Americas borders remain unprotected. Our Constitution & Bill of Rights is all but DESTROYED. No 'enemy of freedom' foreign terrorist could have done that. What does that tell you? 7 years later.
Open borders. No protection in that critical area. If that doesn't speak volumes as to what's really going down here, nothing will. - johnstar, on 02/16/2008, -2/+18War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength
- jaxcs, on 02/16/2008, -3/+19First, holding the moral high ground means that you can ask for better treatment without being regarded as a hypocrite. If you have no moral authority all you can do is to employ force. Second, there are many terrorist groups, not all who behead captives as a first resort, for example, there are kidnappings for ransom. How we treat our captives will affect how they treat their captives.
- MosaicOrb, on 02/16/2008, -3/+19Dude, where's your brain. It's not the Dems who led this country to facism...There's nothing Facist about them.
And I believe Digg is a true representation of America's People... dominated by intelligence with a small percentage of people who just don't get it. -
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