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Bush Admin Refuses to Yield to Iraqi Demand for Withdrawal
jonathanturley.org — Sorry, We ’re Not Done Liberating You: Bush Administration Refuses To Yield To Iraqi Demand for Withdrawal - "In a curious move, the Bush Administration is now refusing a demand from the duly elected Iraqi government for a date of withdrawal. It appears that we are not done rescuing the Iraqis — no matter what the Iraqis may think."
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- redcolumbine, on 07/09/2008, -8/+70Of course not! They're still getting 25% of the money from their oil production. We can squeeze harder than that.
- sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -17/+1The rest is going towards rebuilding the nation that Saddam Hussein allowed to go under.
- ThrstForKnwldge, on 07/10/2008, -1/+19You mean rebuilding the nation America bombed the ***** out of?
- honesttussey, on 07/10/2008, -4/+6Dugg up. This is the truth, I'm in the military and I know American soldiers are responsible for a large portion of the damage. But in their defense they are usually attacked and respond with overwhelming force.
- WoollyMittens, on 07/10/2008, -3/+9So did you become naive through indoctrination, or where you born that way?
Why does the USA feel the need to "rebuild" their country for them? Don't you think they would be capabale of doing just that without their oil income going to Blackwater and Haliburton? - normalkid0615, on 07/10/2008, -1/+5go blow joe leiberman
- Pittance, on 07/10/2008, -2/+2Blackwater doesn't (shouldn't) have anything to do with oil. They train police forces and such. If they are getting money for oil then it is obvious corruption.
- CryRightardCry, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1What an ignorant lying sack of ***** you are.
Well, no, not ignorant, because you KNOW you are lying.
Does your family know what a liar you are? Do you think they'd be proud of you for pretending Iraq wasn't stable and fairly prosperous despite UN sanctions?
I honestly find you despicable. Your lack of honesty and your willingness to lie to support the warmonger point of view is beyond revolting.
Are you proud of your dishonesty?
I'm seriously curious as to what motivates someone like you who willfully lies over and over.
I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror, but I have integrity, so that makes it tough.
- JoshReflek, on 07/10/2008, -15/+2aT lEAST iLEEN4JUSTICE dIDN'T uSE sOME aNNOYING cAPITALIZATION tO gIVE eMPHASIS wHERE iT'S nOT nEEDED tO dRAW aTTENTION tO tHIS sTORY.
- 5urr3al5am, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1LOL -- That's annoying... but sooo true
- Harabeck, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2What? More whining about proper use of title format? You people need to go back to elementary school.
- CryRightardCry, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1LOL
Look at these loser rightards.whine about capitalization.
Yeah, these geniuses are right on top of ALL the issues.
I almost feel sorry for them. It's hard to shill for failure and corruption. I don't blame them for focussing on stuff like caps, it keeps them out of the real politics.
- tomasII, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1Source? Or did you just make up that stat and hope everyone blindly believed.?
- sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -17/+1The rest is going towards rebuilding the nation that Saddam Hussein allowed to go under.
- Etchii, on 07/09/2008, -12/+44I'm going to make this quote up, but i'd bet its accurate..
"I'm the decider here! I decide that we will not leave until i've decided to...because I'm the decider" -GWB- roosevans, on 07/10/2008, -7/+2C-H-U-C-K-L-E-S!
- Dan11023, on 07/10/2008, -6/+2I never knew the George Washington Bridge can talk.
You learn something new everyday. - PimpinOnWelfare, on 07/10/2008, -1/+17"If this were a dictatorship, things would be a lot easier, so long as I'm the dictator."
-GWB - Ananda725, on 07/10/2008, -1/+6The hidden message is this: "I'm the deceiver! I'm the puppet used to lie the American's into a war based on deceptions conditioned by corporate greed!"-or something to that effect.... Whatever the details, this was/is/forever-shall-be an evil act of war, planned by evil men, for evil purposes.
- 5urr3al5am, on 07/10/2008, -4/+1Oh Really? Where is the proof that the US has been taking oil from Iraq?
- CryRightardCry, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2Uh huh.
Are you going to take the typical rightard route and PRETEND no oil has been shipped from Iraq?
Now the Iraqis aren't doing it, it's all done under US guard and control.
I'm not surprised you don't know about it, you read LGF and watch Fox.
Remember the big deal a while back because the METERS for the oil hadn't been installed after years of pumping oil? And no one knew exactly how much had been shipped?
Do you think the Iraqis were in charge of all the oil that's gone out?
You know for a fact they are not in control of anything.
So, what now? Lies, or try to spin it? - 5urr3al5am, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1so again .. nothing new.. just misinformation and innuendo
figures.. coming from 'CryRightardCry' -- typical -- the only thing I can figure about this user is that they are a digg-shill to help generate ad-revenue by getting the site usage up
- CryRightardCry, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2Uh huh.
- Chassit, on 07/09/2008, -8/+120Well, there is no way anyone can reasonably deny that we are occupiers (as opposed to liberators) now.
- ProjectGSX, on 07/09/2008, -4/+27That has been obvious for a while now just listening to McCain talk about how he can see US Soldiers stationed in Iraq for 100 years. So much for liberation, we are there to keep an eye on our oil supply.
- Chassit, on 07/09/2008, -2/+11You won't get an argument from me, heh!
- quesi, on 07/09/2008, -3/+13the oil is a sideline, we are there to keep the ME destabilized, to the benefit of another country this also allows for our good troops to be away from home when they lock down
- nwoantibody, on 07/10/2008, -0/+6The same way no reasonable individual could back in 2005 believe any of this was for the purpose of liberation.
- Barbarino, on 07/10/2008, -7/+3I know here on digg with you far left loons you think you are main stream, you are not. Iraq said this to appease the members of their government, he didn't actually mean it. It's amazing how dumb you people are.
Even Obama is not going to bring the troops home which to me helps him with us independents it means he's not going to bow to the far left idiots, he's going to do what's right.- clubby, on 07/10/2008, -0/+4"Iraq said this to appease the members of their government, he didn't actually mean it."
Iraq is a country, not a "he."
"It's amazing how dumb you people are."
Yeah, people who can figure out how pronouns work are ***** retards. As if a functioning brain is anything to be proud of. - bobbi21, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2lol. Well assuming he means the majority of the government said this to appease a minority of their government what are the americans suppose to do? not believe everything any country says because you know what their people REALLY want and their elected governmental representatives are all liars.
And the "far left loons" are the mainstream. They're about 95% of everyone outside of america who knows about what's going on in iraq (and this is a very conservative estimate) and.. what was bush's last approval ratings? maybe 70-80% of america is a "far left loon"?
Right or wrong the majority of the world wants the US out of iraq. You can argue if this is right but don't lie about the facts. - opiniastrous, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1I would agree that the Iraqi government has probably said this to appease the Iraqi people, in part anyway. There is probably also a concern that after the war is over, which it may soon be, the US will try to keep troops in Iraq to increase its strategic reach. I think that despite being grateful to the US, the current Iraqi cabinet does not want to be the next South Korea, Japan or Germany. This would simply prompt talk of the Iraqi government being the pawn of the US, and harm the legitimacy of the Iraqi government in the future.
That said, I think everyone is making the wrong conclusions here. Bush has constantly reiterated that he will accept nothing other than an events-based withdrawal, which is one of the (very) few good military decisions he has ever made. I guarantee you that a concrete withdrawal date would lead to a drop in violence until US troops were gone - and then there would be an immense spike in insurgent activity. The Iraqi government seems to recognise that too. This article clearly says that:
"The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq's provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.
After that, the country's security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said."
Clearly, the substance of the proposal is events-based, just like Bush has said he wants. There is no disagreement between the US and Iraqi governments on the matter. As the White House said on Monday, "...it did not believe Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals." This is clearly correct, given the Iraqi government's proposal that reviews are conducted every six months after the provinces are handed over to Iraqi security forces.
I think that the 'specific dates' would be announced to appease the Iraqi people (and perhaps the American people), but would not be concrete. Rather, they would be 'target dates' that could be overlooked if the security situation requires that US forces continue to assist Iraqi forces.
Buried as inaccurate.
- clubby, on 07/10/2008, -0/+4"Iraq said this to appease the members of their government, he didn't actually mean it."
- jeremyduffy, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2As if we (and everyone else) didn't see this coming. And we wonder why the insurgents want to kill us so bad.
- ProjectGSX, on 07/09/2008, -4/+27That has been obvious for a while now just listening to McCain talk about how he can see US Soldiers stationed in Iraq for 100 years. So much for liberation, we are there to keep an eye on our oil supply.
- thedsack, on 07/09/2008, -8/+75If they ask us to set a timetable and we do not... Is that NOT an occupation?
- kemp34, on 07/10/2008, -1/+20It is certainly an occupation. Only a total idiot would try to deny that.
- thedsack, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2You are correct, but if we don't even consider a timetable when they ask for one... EVEN the "total idiots" can't deny it.
- masterm1nd, on 07/10/2008, -8/+2Setting a timetable and making a timetable known publicly are two very different things.
- ad33lshahid, on 07/10/2008, -1/+9keep the excuses coming!
- jaxcs, on 07/10/2008, -0/+7If it were shared privately, the Iraq gov wouldn't be asking. It's known by only one party, the Bush admin.
- kemp34, on 07/10/2008, -1/+20It is certainly an occupation. Only a total idiot would try to deny that.
- crxvfr, on 07/09/2008, -6/+32 We have troops in the middle east because of an excuse we used to invade them. Then we spent millions building permanent bases there. They NEVER intended to withdraw completely. Just a farce so we can have a presence there when the REAL STUFF hits the fan with Israel/Iran.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -3/+9Exactly. People need to stop acting surprised when we don't pull out of Iraq. We never intended to pull out of Iraq. When McCain said we might still be there in a hundred years it was the first honest thing anyone has said this campaign cycle. Obama knows we aren't leaving, but he won't say it out loud. The Democrats who took over the House and Senate two years ago on a platform of "Change in the First 100 Days" know it. How do you know they know it? What changed? Only McCain had the guts to come out and say it.
- WoollyMittens, on 07/10/2008, -3/+7Well, in all honesty the democrats can't really help it if GWB keeps vetoing everything.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -3/+3Yes, they're completely and totally powerless. That's why the founding fathers made the Executive Branch unaccountable.
- texpundit, on 07/10/2008, -0/+5I'm going to digg ^this^ up...mainly because I'm hoping that was sarcasm.
- bumcake, on 07/10/2008, -4/+1I hope Woolly is either an autistic 2nd grader or just an idiot....the power to veto doesn't completely override a bill.....Congress can in fact go over and make it into law if enough votes are passed.
- Morchades, on 07/10/2008, -1/+5A wise country would want to be on the other side of the world when Israel and Iran finally go at each other.
- squaredUP, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1Nice.
- thedsack, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1A wise country would want to defend themselves more then other states.
A wise country would want to keep its economy strong by not spending trillions on preemptive war.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -3/+9Exactly. People need to stop acting surprised when we don't pull out of Iraq. We never intended to pull out of Iraq. When McCain said we might still be there in a hundred years it was the first honest thing anyone has said this campaign cycle. Obama knows we aren't leaving, but he won't say it out loud. The Democrats who took over the House and Senate two years ago on a platform of "Change in the First 100 Days" know it. How do you know they know it? What changed? Only McCain had the guts to come out and say it.
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -9/+29and this folks is why i never get my news from a blog
the real ap story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea ...
now the story I posted (the real one from AP not a blogger's slant on the issue) seems to say that this god awful mess we are in over there has an end in sight. this is good news.
FTA (the one i posted)
"President Bush has said he opposes a timetable. The White House said Monday it did not believe Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals."
"The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq's provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.
After that, the country's security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said." (note right now the Iraqi security forces control only 1/2 of the provinces)
"Violence in Iraq has fallen to its lowest level in four years. The change has been driven by the 2007 buildup of American forces, the Sunni tribal revolt against al-Qaida in Iraq and crackdowns against Shiite militias and Sunni extremists."- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -12/+11Don't confuse them with facts. They wouldn't be able to recognize them anyway.
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -5/+8Have you learned how to read yet ileen?
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -9/+6I am so happy I have private investigators as my friends and colleagues so I can actually go out with real people and friends and have some real fun.......no go play with your GI Joes......
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -9/+7Friends, check out http://www.trollhunters.org/content/does-troll-loo ... to see what these guys look like.
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -10/+8do you think joe and I are the same guy? LOL if you do. oh and if you think outing people's personal ***** is cute wait until I post your unlisted number just for fun.
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -9/+9Hey, look at that. Ileen is resorting to veiled threats.
How very liberal of you.
Fail. - ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -10/+8What personal sh*t have I exposed? I just provided a link that provides a picture who may or may not be cuter than you and information about how you trollers try, but can't, suppress the truth about the Bush crime family. It really is a sick thing you know, spending every minute on the internet conspiring with your bury brigade, downloading torrents, and looking for the latest cheats on your video games......have you tried psychotherapy perhaps? Aren't your loved ones concerned? Oh, back to the topic -- please give me that date in the article when we are to leave Iraq and when the oil companies start drilling.....keep the love coming..
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -10/+9Oh, no threats here. I never threaten. I promote peace, love, and understanding. That's why I'm trying to understand you trollers and I've learned a lot today! Thanks! And thanks for the attention and love!
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -7/+7"Oh, back to the topic -- please give me that date in the article when we are to leave Iraq and when the oil companies start drilling.....keep the love coming.."
you are the one who needs a reading lesson. if you read the article you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question. also wtf is the double post thing you can edit a comment you know. also that private eye thing was a treat - ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -8/+7I can't find the date oh mikey! Again, no threats. If I need to take legal action I do need to know where to serve you all -- I'll be doing my legal research and let you know.... but I'm sure since you trollers stay up all night you could let me know.....like posting defamatory pictures (is that too big a word for you?) But please, let's talk about the topic at hand.....you know, we forgot to mention Blackwater and all the other private mercenaries still in Iraq.....when are they going to leave?
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -7/+8no you said you were going to serve me papers ***** email me so I can send you my info or shut the ***** up. and you can't find the date because you can't read critically. worst lawyer ever. oh and you are the troll what with all of the ***** talking about me, my parents, and my wife. and yes i did stoop to calling you names like that but I then apologized. so you seem to be the real troll here
- ileen4justice, on 07/10/2008, -8/+6You are so eloquent Mikey! Do you know what a troll is? Just look at the number of comments you and your loving boys leave compared to the actual numbers of stories dugg (and read) and submitted. You can also read the comments to see if they relate to the topic or provide further insightful information. Trolls' only mission in life is to leave boring, hateful comments. Isn't is sad Mike? I didn't get that apology -- could you run it by me again? I would love to make peace with you Mike. You sound so angry, have you tried meditation? I did read the article (among many others Mike) and I didn't see the date when the mercenaries are leaving? Please enlighten me. And when are you going to serve your country and protect those oil companies? Anxiously awaiting your apology and answers.........thanks again for all the attenion, yours truly, Ileen 976-whatever
p.s. why do you need my email since your friends seem to have all my persona info? Can't wait to meet you and the wife. - mikesbaker, on 07/10/2008, -6/+7funny thing my usual MO on digg is to leave funny remarks. not angry today - just enjoying some online conflict on my day off. but remember there will be no peace offering if you ever insult my wife again? got it?
see olive branch here
http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Admin_Refuses_to_Yie ... - Codwhy, on 07/10/2008, -1/+4wtf are you both doing.
chill the ***** out
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -17/+16Oh troller, did you notice where the AP reporter got the numbers -- the U.S. military officials who would never lie about the amount of violence in Iraq, right (wink, wink) ... From a similar AP article dated 7-8-08:
"BAGHDAD --
Bombs and bullets took a bloody toll Wednesday, killing 20 Iraqis and a U.S. soldier, even as military officials reported a sharp fall in attacks over the past year [note it's the military officials reporting the sharp fall, yeah, their numbers can be relied upon]
But the U.S. general who led efforts to train Iraq's army and police units warned Wednesday that progress is mixed and long-term American help will be needed.
In Wednesday's worst violence, a suicide car bomber killed eight civilians and wounded 41 people in an attack on a military convoy carrying a senior Iraqi commander in the northern city of Mosul, the Iraqi military said.
A bomb also exploded outside a bank in the former Sunni Arab insurgent stronghold of Fallujah west of Baghdad, killing four policemen and a civilian and wounding 15 others, Iraqi police said.
An initial blast occurred at 6:30 a.m., drawing police and a crowd of onlookers to the site, then a second bomb detonated, causing the casualties, police said.
Another bomb hit a U.S. convoy, killing one American soldier and wounding two in Samarra, north of Baghdad, the U.S. military reported. Bombings at a revered Shiite shrine in the city in 2006 and 2007 fueled fierce sectarian fighting between Sunnis and Shiites in many parts of Iraq, though security in the city has improved.
Late Wednesday, a gunman entered a mosque in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib district and opened fire on worshippers, killing six and wounding eight, said a police official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Iraqi forces were searching for the gunman.
Assailants killed a policeman in a drive-by shooting in Mosul, where many insurgents are believed to have relocated after facing intense military pressure in Baghdad and other urban centers.
Police in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, said workers rebuilding a primary school had discovered 22 bodies, most of them under concrete in a playing field. Police said the remains were believed to have been buried more than a year ago.
Relatives of missing people were summoned to the site Tuesday. Those identified included a Muslim cleric whose wife recognized his clothes, a police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of security reasons."
Oh, and could you please tell me the exact date of the "end in sight?" Also, when is the date the oil companies are supposed to start their no bid contracts? You know we need a permanent military to protect the oil companies, don't you?
Anyway, I'll probably stop commenting to you trollers since we may have a conflict of interest if I ever get the chance to go to court to get some justice regarding you and your fellow trollers who are not known for your intelligence, no, only for your ability to troll. What an accomplishment!? Your loved ones must be so proud to know a person who does nothing but troll and obsess on the internet. You all really should get a social life instead of finding ever more digg algorithms to troll with. Well I guess you have your video games, your ice cream makers, and your rejections from wikipedia to look at. Oh, and tell your buddies who I suspect have 20 digg tabs or windows open on their browser while they dream about girlfriends they'll never have that I said hello and goodbye.
P.S. Any future comments from you trollers will be taken as signs of love from you no matter how much you protest. I will surely pray for your souls and give you all the love in my heart.- opiniastrous, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Come off it. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll, and doesn't justify a response as immature as that above. You're obviously far older than I am, so why not act your age and be reasonable? People are entitled to another opinion. Personally, I think mikesbaker was right in his above comment and it turns out that we both picked up on the same information that has been ignored by you and many other here. Here is a comment here previous to finding this thread, and another one that might help you understand my position a little better:
http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Admin_Refuses_to_Yie ...
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_s_Iraq_Pro ...
Now, in response to the AP article excerpt that you posted above, no-one denies that there is still violence in Iraq, particularly Baghdad. However, a story about a number of attacks does nothing to disprove the data: that roadside bomb attacks are way down and that US troop casualties are down. In fact, attacks have dropped 80% in this year alone. Also, there have been significant developments in many other areas. Sunnis have turned against AQI, the Sadr militia has implemented a unilateral ceasefire, many Iraqis feel safe enough to sell and drink alcohol again, and Ramadi, Fallujah, Mosul and large areas of Baghdad have been cleared.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/24/anba ...
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/30/mideast/ira ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/a ...
Now, you don't have to believe this if you don't want to. I inferred as much in your above comment, when you said that you didn't trust the military (though right after saying that you used a general's comment to support your argument. I guess you can only trust their information if it agrees with your mindset right?). Regardless of whether you'll listen to this or not, you're currently wrong, and it's becoming quite obvious to others (like Obama) even if it's not to you.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_s_Iraq_Pro ...
Please, respond if you'd like. One of my favourite things about digg is the opportunity for debate. - ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Such a fancy reply! When did I say I didn't "trust" the military? I said I would question "military officials" statistics -- I'll follow up with more links to lies about numbers -- but I will qualify what I meant by military officials -- those shills that are in bed with Bush and his fascists. If you were paying attention, my point was that you need to look beyond the newspeak about catch phrases like "the violence is down." A great article that you must read if you wish to debate me on point is: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080501faessay87305 ... -- "Summary: The Bush administration's new strategy in Iraq has helped reduce violence. But the surge is not linked to any sustainable plan for building a viable Iraqi state and may even have made such an outcome less likely -- by stoking the revanchist fantasies of Sunni tribes and pitting them against the central government. The recent short-term gains have thus come at the expense of the long-term goal of a stable, unitary Iraq."
You might also want to read this article by a former Reagan admin. official: http://www.vdare.com/roberts/080218_bush.htm -- entitled "Bush’s Dirty Secret: Bribing Iraq Insurgents Not to Fight."
Disagreement and debate is welcome. My ego is not tied into my comments or my digg numbers. I find all the attention loving in fact. Free speech can get messy some times but I'll take that over big brother any day of the week. Peace and love! - ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Oh look here. The article was dugg here: http://digg.com/politics/The_Surge_is_Causing_Ethn ... -- easier to find and read. Look forward to your comments about article.
- opiniastrous, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Come off it. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll, and doesn't justify a response as immature as that above. You're obviously far older than I am, so why not act your age and be reasonable? People are entitled to another opinion. Personally, I think mikesbaker was right in his above comment and it turns out that we both picked up on the same information that has been ignored by you and many other here. Here is a comment here previous to finding this thread, and another one that might help you understand my position a little better:
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -6/+8Mrs Cantor, first off you didn't bother to read what I posted did you? otherwise you would have seen that there is no exact date there will be a 6 month review for 3 - 5 years. secondly I warned you about keeping it civil. this is the last day of my vacation so I am taking time to catch up on movies and surf the internet. And I'm married. Oh an no need to worry about seeing me in court I rarely visit Florida and the few times I've been I didn't go to Fort Lauderdale and you are a defense attorney and not a prosecutor so how the hell could there be a conflict of interest? That may be the stupidest thing I've heard you say. I would never hire anyone as ignorant as you.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -12/+5You are married to your blow up doll, I understand. Why do you need to "warn" a nonviolent pacifist like me? Since you've been logged on all day and night I am sure you have a wonderful relationship with your blow-up doll and that is why you go on all the social p*rn web sites and digg up those algorithms with your friends. Your words are like love spewing at me because they are just so simple minded (no big words for you trolls)....I will continue to pray for you and will start a nonprofit for those women haters who have OCD and have 20 windows open to digg while they look for the newest gaming mouse and video games....and get rejected by wikipedia......spread the love....
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -10/+5Have I touched a nerve? Does the truth hurt? The more irritated you sound the more I know you know I know the truth about you.....
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -9/+4If that's what helps you sleep at night then you just keep right on believing that.
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -6/+9seriously for once attack the issue instead of the person. you must be the worst lawyer in the world. also you keep saying you are going to pray for me like that's going to offend me. wtf?
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -10/+5See you assume I speak to offend. No, I am not a troll. I speak to understand and to love. I pray for you because you have so much hate in your heart. I am not attacking anybody. I have offered education, love, communication.......I have tried to discuss the fact that we will be in Iraq as long as the oil companies need us and how the Bush crime family is actually acting against your interests......but your attention is taken as love oh mikesbaker........keep it coming!
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -5/+7goddamn you really are a lawyer aren't you. mad props for tap dancing around anything I bring up. oh and you also called me a nazi a lot of time which is pretty offensive. nice hypocrisy
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -5/+4Does this HTML look familiar?
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- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -9/+4No hypocrisy here. I call them like I see them. I just wish you could channel your warped energy into something other than counting your diggs (you guys are so into size) and how you can hack the system into actually getting this country out of economic depression and rescuing democracy. By the way, how do you trollers make a living when you spend all day making comments? Just wondering.... Keep the love coming ... the attention is amazing!
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -3/+7you said you weren't trying to offend while in almost the same breath offending. sounds pretty hypocritical to me. and some days I do like today where I am enjoying the end of my vacation and watching movies.
- ileen4justice, on 07/10/2008, -7/+4Seen any good movies lately? I am sorry if you projected offense in my statements. You do sound calmed down which I am happy about. I truly hope that we can reach a peaceful solution. I do see a glimmer of difference between you and the other boys. By the way, I went to the government GSA web site today and did you know you could buy Blackwater gear on-line? Seriously, you might get a kick out of it. Hey, peace Mike, enjoy your vacation.
- mikesbaker, on 07/10/2008, -4/+8yes I just got done with the beast with a billion backs - the new futurama movie - it was great. for now lets agree to disagree.
have a deal for you - you don't call me a nazi fascist seeing as how I am a conservative libertarian and I won't insult you either and next time we meet on digg we both can keep it civil.
agreed? - ileen4justice, on 07/10/2008, -6/+6Agreed. Peace and good night.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -13/+5Oh you big brave man you! You can click on the link at my profile!! How talented you are, amazing really! So, are you going to join the free speech campaign. I know you wish you were bigger and that's why you have to act so small. Again, I'm looking into that nonprofit to help you trollers and I appreciate your love and attention!!!
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -6/+5You links section on your blog is a cesspool of liberal web sites:
Raw Story
After Downing Street News
Huffington Post
Randi Rhodes Show
McClatchy News
Reality is so far away from you that, if you live another 100 years, you'll never be able to return.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&saf ... - ileen4justice, on 07/10/2008, -7/+4Your eloquence bespeaks your lack of education. And you are going to enlist when Jim? And when are the mercenaries leaving Iraq? You know, the ones related to Darth Cheney.
- Dan11023, on 07/10/2008, -2/+2Are u high?
- Asheis, on 07/10/2008, -3/+2You seem like an incredibly intelligent woman. Why be so abrasive? Diggers aren't your enemy. In fact, most of us believe in the same cause you do!
Just note.. there's a reason most of your comments have been dugg down. - ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Abrasive? I get a little sensitive when personally attacked by little boys with no information except the fox news. I'm a little sensitive now that the neocons and neoconned have destroyed the planet, finished their fascist plan, made us pay the corporations that are screwing us, and who feel no mercy at all. No that's abrasive! (Oh and the torture, that really is abrasive). Free speech has been called the marketplace of ideas and WAS the foundation of democracy. Did I ever mention the word "enemy?" I don't think in terms of black and white or absolutes so please don't project what I am thinking unless you also believe in the thought police. If you believe in my "cause" then please cheer on the free speech that is the purpose of Digg, dig????
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -6/+5You links section on your blog is a cesspool of liberal web sites:
- coyote1284, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3I'm sure you all know the saying about arguing on the internet and winning the Special Olympics... it applies to this entire thread.
- ileen4justice, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1What's wrong with free speech?
- Jeremyz0r, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3"In northern Baghdad Tuesday, guards opened fire, wounding 13 people when a crowd seeking aid payments for the poor, widows, orphans and disabled people became unruly, Iraqi officials said."
Go Iraq!- ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Yes, and as the numbers seem to show less violence you wouldn't know it if you read the daily violence reports from McClatchy Newspapers, for example, as recently as July 10, 2008: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/43632.html
(And we're not even mentioning the horrid violence in Afghanistan)
- ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Yes, and as the numbers seem to show less violence you wouldn't know it if you read the daily violence reports from McClatchy Newspapers, for example, as recently as July 10, 2008: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/43632.html
- satanatnmtedu, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Did you read the article you cited?
"the White House does does not believe..."
Maliki asked for a withdrawal date. The White House decided he didn't mean it. There was no mention of Maliki's response. So, the White House basically refuses to set a time table despite the Iraqi leader's request for one. There is no spin. It is straight interpretation of the facts.
I am sorry that you ar enot smart enough to do this.
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -12/+11Don't confuse them with facts. They wouldn't be able to recognize them anyway.
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -34/+13Buried for being inaccurate nazi liberal *****.
(see ileen. I can throw that word around also.)- Kizilbash, on 07/09/2008, -10/+16Seiously, get a life.
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -12/+6Seriously, give me yours. You're not using it.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -9/+11Thanks for the love. I know you cannot contain it. Which "word" is it that you can throw around? By the way, the article is written by one of the country's most respected constitutional law scholars (you know, the kind who read books, maybe one day you will). Keep trolling troller, the more you troll and digg up those algorithms, play your video games, and play with your blow-up girlfriend, the more you show your love. It's just so sweet!!! I will, as always, pray for you and your trolling brothers who don't have any kind of life other than downloading torrents and trying to come up with new digg formulas. Perhaps we should start a nonprofit charity for you all....
P.S. You still haven't answered my question of the day.....who invented the phrase military industrial complex and was he/she a real hawk or a chicken hawk? Awaiting your answer....- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -8/+4"FYI. And the next neocon nazi to bury this gets to learn how to read!!!"
Your shout I believe. - mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -4/+3yea sweet now i can read after burying this because before I was just randomly hammering keys on the computer. THANKS MRS CANTOR - you rock
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -3/+5Well the offer still holds, give me your name and phone number and I can arrange reading lessons.....I'm still waiting for the answer to my question of the day trollers!
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -6/+3oh i didn't read you question about military industrial complex until just now. it was Eisenhower in his farewell address. oh and its coined the phrase not invented the phrase.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -4/+5Ding, ding, ding!! Let me just correct your grammar.....it should read "oh I didn't read your [not you] question.......
Oh and "coined" means to invent a new word or phrase...it's called a synonym. It's been nice having this chat with you! Oh, have you enlisted yet to serve in the war? I know you are a proud patriot!
Next question, what does fascism and the military industrial complex have in common? - mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -6/+2first off way to feel victorious on a typo.
on the war thing I was one signature away from going in to be a gunship pilot but I decided to stay home and get married.
where is my email? i really want to get you disbarred so lets get the ball rolling on this.
but anyway lets get this back on topic. I'm not going to debate fascism with you. instead lets look at what kind of a classy lady you are. first off I am pretty sure that you think JCM keyman and I are the same person. LOL to that. You have called my wife a blow up doll. You have called my parents abusive alcoholics. You have called me gay. You have called me a nazi. So really nice work on being your stereotypical closed minded liberal. - ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4I did not make those statements.....interesting what you project in what I say! Oh and thanks for the numerous threats -- you're not a hypocrite at all! I like to call this all free speech. You know, you can get married AND serve in the military? I know they are enlisting even 40 year old felons...not too late to enlist! OK mikey, so I should just believe you have a "wife" right? Does "she" know how many comments you have made on Digg? When do you have time to have a relationship? Just wondering..... I am very open minded and look forward to the day when you and I can march for freedom and democracy together! Oh and don't assume what I think -- unless you believe in the thought police. Again, when will the mercenaries leave Iraq and do you know where the $8 billion went? Peace and love chicken hawk...
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1my wife is at work right now and its my day off. i should be able to enjoy it the way I feel like. you have spent an equal amount of time responding to me as I to you. so when do you find time to lose your client's cases in between being an idiot online.
yes you did make those statements - here is the shout you sent to me.
"Go back to your cave with your boys loving boys buddies who take out their childhood abuse by hating......I will pray for you...."
nice like i said stereotypical closed minded liberal. see around on digg - we have beaten this thread to death.
and please send that email so we can get the ball rolling on me getting you disbarred. - ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -2/+3The love is just endless. Actually, I am home resting because I don't feel well today. Just imagine how sharp my mental skills will be tomorrow when I feel better!! Lucky me, I have health insurance unlike those other 40 million Americans (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness [does that include health care]?) "Boys loving boys" simply means that you trolls love hanging out in your bat caves and joining an imaginary brigade! Funny how you thought that meant gay. I thought you are going to school to become an "electrical engineer?" Didn't you have to study or something? And what do you do for a living that contributes to the health of this democracy? I know you don't like that I seek truth and justice for a living. Why all the hostility Mike? Can you get tickets to the all star game at Yankee stadium? Might be good for you to get out. Oh, when are the mercernaries leaving Iraq and when can I expect an accounting of the lost $8 billion? Also, you haven't answered the follow up question...what do the military industrial complex and fascism have in common? Oh and thanks for giving me all this attention while I was home sick today. I feel healed.
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -3/+1***** health insurance how off topic and irrelevant - you have to make everything political don't you? my ass that's what you meant re boys loving boys. on the school thing it the summer idiot. right now I'm im the general manager of a restaurant because it is flexible for my schedule. i'm sorry that everyone in America can't be an uppity liberal who is changing the world with criminal defense law. way to keep the drunks out of jail! keep on defending democracy. on the $ and mercs - never and when the rest of the soldiers leave. according to Eisenhower the MIC leads to fascism. and likewise on the attention. nothing like watching movies while telling someone how ignorant they are.
- ileen4justice, on 07/10/2008, -3/+3I'll help you to connect the dots. Fascism depends on big multinational corporations. So does the occupation of Iraq and the lack of health care for 40 million Americans! Oh, and if you want I'll give you a link of a bunch of articles about how well we're treating the Iraqi and Afghanistan vets -- see the health care issue connecting now?? I imagine you need a flexible schedule given that you are not in school, will not serve your country, and need time to direct your anger at strangers like me! Funny, how you keep saying things like you know me -- did I ever say I was a criminal defense lawyer? Oh and yes, you would hate those people who believe in the presumption of innocence and the fourth, fifth, eighth, and fourteenth amendment wouldn't you? Wait until they come for you, then you'll want your constitutional rights which you should be fighting for instead of writing your angry comments to me and showing me all this attention and love. Oh, and when are the mercenaries leaving Iraq? Remember you said your article has the date. Peace and love.
- mikesbaker, on 07/10/2008, -2/+2its dinner time ileen
http://digg.com/politics/Bush_Admin_Refuses_to_Yie ... - masterm1nd, on 07/10/2008, -3/+1coined != invented
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -8/+4"FYI. And the next neocon nazi to bury this gets to learn how to read!!!"
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -6/+4Oh, and can you brave trollers please provide me with your name, address, zip and phone number so I can serve you with some lovely papers ASAP? I know you all have nothing to hide, right? (Oh, except for the dirty basement you live in while trolling the internet and I guess you go to the bathroom a few times a day if you can take your fingers away from the keyboard or gameboy)
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4You just don't seem to be popular today.
That is the biggest insult to any brain dead liberal, not being liked. - mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -2/+4right you are going to serve me with a law suit for harassment from Florida for telling you that you are stupid on the internet. I would be able to get you disbarred for ***** like that. I am a math guy but I've got lots of lawyers in my family. so bring it on bitch. if you really want to play nasty email me and I will give you every bit of info to serve me whatever the ***** you want to serve me with. my email address is in my profile. i'm waiting.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -5/+3The love does not end with you guys. ooooh I hit a nerve. Remember....the more you rant, the more I know you love me!!! Oh, you can sue a citizen from another state under federal law (hmmmmm, I wonder about internet law?????) Remember the lovely picture you posted and the ip address you left? See you sweetie, keep the love coming.
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4lolz what federal law has been broken moron - also wtf pic are you talking about. i'm still waiting for that email mrs full of *****.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -5/+3I'm not popular? Really?? Have you counted "math man" on how many times you trollers have shouted and commented at me today? I feel utterly loved....
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -3/+6Bring it.
And here's you abject lesson for the day;
Don't post pictures on the internet that you don't want photoshopped.
Here the lesson ended. - mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4answer me these questions 3
1)what law has been broken
2)wtf pic are you talking about
3)where is that email so I can send you my info. i'm not gonna post all my personal info on a public message board - keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4She's talking about this photo:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/i ... - mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3awesome - what a ***** windbag she is. my inbox is still sadly empty. now if I were to post her private phone number home address and SSN that might break some federal laws. and that took about 1 minute to find all that ***** out.
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -2/+2I would think her phone number is 976-3838
- Apophis574, on 07/09/2008, -2/+5I'm loling so hard right now hahahhaaha... keep it up key and mike lol
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -6/+3Oh, I see you have invited some of your other mommy hating friends along! Interesting how you guys never keep on topic and just attack personally. And what lovely language you use and how articulate you are: "what a f*cking windbag she is," "answer me these question 3 [how about these 3 questions]," and "And here's you abject lesson for the day." There's so many more lovely tidbits but I don't have time. Now I know you guys are giving me so much love, taking the time to get my private info -- look forward to meeting you all -- perhaps you can volunteer at the Vietnam vets homeless shelter with me. Oh, vets -- those are men who have been in war -- not like you college hatin liberal hatin anything other than troll internet obsessed no life hatin chicken hawks who have yet to serve your country. Stand and be proud to show your loved ones your comments. Keep the love coming guys......... (I'm really finding this is healing me)
- mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -2/+5hey you started the personal attacks not me. if you can't take it don't give it out. keep America free by defending people on the DUIs - way to go!
- ssn697, on 07/10/2008, -0/+5"Oh, I see you have invited some of your other mommy hating friends along! Interesting how you guys never keep on topic and just attack personally"
Really. You must be the ***** lawyer in Florida. You name call, then bitch about name callers! You talk about others being angry, then call people nazi's and facists!
Add in that your entire life is wide open, because you are too stupid to even know how to do the basics in protecting your identity while attacking everyone not far enough left for you, and I can confidently say you are a ***** of ineptitude... - ileen4justice, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1@ssn697. Oh intelligent troller..... I don't name call. I identify. If I'm so "stupid" then how come you keep reading my comments?? Love, love....
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4You just don't seem to be popular today.
- malex, on 07/09/2008, -6/+7You can throw whatever words around you want... that doesn't make them true, though.
This story is accurate, and you are in denial.- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -7/+4Thanks.....getting buried by these trollers who don't have a life is actually becoming a compliment. They have absolutely no life outside of commenting......while we try to save the planet and democracy from the neoconned.......peace my brother!
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -3/+5Aside from the fact that it is inaccurate and you are the ones in denial.
You did you just refuse to read the AP story that wasn't washed in liberal *****? - ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -7/+4The love just keeps coming. I feel so loved today!
- malex, on 07/09/2008, -4/+5@ Keyman
I read it. al-Rubaie says that Iraq wants to have a specific date on leaving, and Bush doesn't want to give them one. How is this inaccurate? - mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -3/+5if you read the article i posted you will see how it is
- malex, on 07/10/2008, -3/+4Nope, I still don't see it. All that supports your argument is that Ali al-Adeeb has a counter proposal against al-Rubaie's strong insistance, and even *he* had to phrase it "in a way that would allow Iraqi officials to tell the Iraqi public that it includes a specific timetable and dates for a U.S. withdrawal."
It seems that the Iraqi people want us to leave. - JessicaLF77, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2"They have absolutely no life outside of commenting......while we try to save the planet and democracy from the neoconned.......peace my brother!"
/giggle
I guess it's only okay to be commenting on the interwebs when you're trying to "save the planet and democracy from the neoconned..." Otherwise you're just a troll, amirite? - ileen4justice, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1@JessicaLF77. No, you're a troll when you've commented on 2000 articles but have submitted or read none. Let me know if you need more help on the definition.
- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -5/+2And New Jersey is such a progressive state! Does this look familiar to you: USS Moinester FF 1097 Mare Est Vita Mea? Could you translate it for me oh well-traveled one? Tell me, how do you manage to travel to France (I know you love the f*ck france web site) and all those other countries while you spew hate with your fingers day and night? Oh.....when are the mercenaries leaving Iraq and don't forget my follow up question -- what do the military industrial complex and fascism have in common? Keep the love coming baby...
- keymanjim2, on 07/09/2008, -2/+3Wow. You found *****.com. No real personal info is stored on that site.
And you learned that I lived in New Jersey ( a truly regressive state ) from jek.
What else do you have? Tell us what I did before I retired.- ileen4justice, on 07/09/2008, -4/+2Did I say that I found that web site? I don't recall saying that. Did I say you lived in New Jersey? No I did not. I see you used the word "us" -- who is "us" jim? I'll ask you the same question: when are the mercenaries going to leave Iraq and what does the military industrial complex have to do with fascism? Oh, and thanks for admitting that you visit that lovely web site and were careful not to store your personal information there! Oh, when are you going to enlist? You know, the dems just passed a law that will give you an education when you make it back from your tenth tour to Iraq, Afghanistan, and perhaps Iran....
- keymanjim2, on 07/10/2008, -3/+7Your reaching.
Finally coming to the realization that you have plastered too much of your personal life on the internet?
Do yourself a favor, go around the internet (I've provided you a link) and remove any and all references to your life. I've seen pictures of you, your family and your pet, I know where you work, live and vacation. I even know what's on your wish list at Amazon. I wouldn't be surprised if, with a little more searching, I could find out your SSN. I already know that your middle initial is J.
How do I know this? YOU PUT IT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.
You have got to be one of the dumbest "educated" people I've met on here, or anywhere else.
The world is full of sick, deranged people. Do you really want them find out what I found out with just a simple Google search?
And change your name here. It's a huge red bulls eye to the rest of you. And it would probably be a lot easier than changing all of your personal and professional links.
****This message has been brought you to by the Don't Be An Idiot Foundation.**** - mikesbaker, on 07/10/2008, -1/+6i have to agree with keyman - ileen you are way way way to visible online - seriously
- ileen4justice, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Why is it that those who say they have nothing to hide, hide so much? Please do me the favor and let me know as much personal info as you can so I can see how I am a dumb idiot. I won't comment on your accuracy of my personal information but suffice it to say I feel safe......except for the sorry boy-lemmings who refuse to enlist in the military and decided to spend their time trolling, playing video games, patting each other on the back with their latest digg algorithms. Don't you get it? If you don't count the diggs it doesn't matter. If you care about the planet, then you educate and read. I always find the most hateful people are the most ignorant. It is understandable given the news and education being canceled. I am praying for you, seriously....by the way, when was the last time you commented on the article where you left some of your hate behind? Tell me, how has the Bush crime family raised your standard of living?
- tufftugg, on 07/10/2008, -5/+3 No, it's Nazi-Neocon arrogance, how sad soldiers died in WWII to defend the right to take away rights.
- auto98, on 07/10/2008, -4/+4yeah keymanjim2 the Iraqis are well known for being "nazi liberals"
Idiot
- Kizilbash, on 07/09/2008, -10/+16Seiously, get a life.
- britt48, on 07/09/2008, -6/+5I see the real war is here once our troops have left Iraq, however, I do get the sense we will be leaving over the next year and a half. I do see problems ahead between folks like myself and the overheated brothers-what will happen after we leave, in Iraq and here?
- MarkEarhart, on 07/09/2008, -4/+12Not an "occupying power". OK. The next time my dog (he's a seventy lb Pit bull), eats too much grass and comes inside and vomits it up in the floor I'll just go to the rose garden, pluck some petals, throw them on top of it, and insist when my room mate complains that it "isn't a pile of puke". Will that make it so? I'm wondering, because it seems that the laws of logic and reason I was once familiar with are no longer trustworthy.
- Jeremyz0r, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1I thought dogs only ate grass when their stomachs were upset, aka didn't want to puke. Lovely dog owners. ^_^
- Carthagefield, on 07/09/2008, -5/+23"We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It's their government's choice. If they were to say, leave, we would leave."
President George Walker Bush, May 24, 2007
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20 ...
Time to take the hint, George.- Hangly, on 07/10/2008, -1/+7"Now leave."
"No."
"Oh man... seriously ***** you." - WhiteRaven, on 07/10/2008, -7/+5Time to learn to *listen* instead of basing your conclusions are you personal biases. Anyone what thinks expressing opposition to a time-table is the same things as refusing to leave is failing at basic comprehension.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -13/+3Twelve million people can suck a red, white and blue *****. We conquered them. It's ours now.
- coyote1284, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2Might as well be for what everyone thinks we're doing. They think we're an Empire, time to bloody well show them excatly what an Empire looks like! Iraq is now known as Area 10. Unless a "10" pledges loyalty to America and becomes a Honorary American, you have no rights.
ALL HAIL AMERICANA!
/Even I don't know if I'm being sarcastic right now. - RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1We *are* an empire. When questioned about whether or not we're an empire our leaders scoff at the idea because that's what you do to reassure peasants whose opinions aren't really important, anyway. "Yes, Ali...we share your concerns, but we haven't conquered your nation...we've liberated it. If you can't understand our euphemisms it's going to make it very hard to communicate effectively."
- coyote1284, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1We're really damn slow about it, then. We might as well "solve" illegal immigration and "liberate" Mexico if we're really an empire.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1The day someone comes up with an inexpensive autonomous robot that can mow yards and pick fruit you'll discover that sealing up the Mexican border and getting rid of our population of illegal immigrants isn't an unsolvable a problem as we've been led to believe.
- coyote1284, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2Might as well be for what everyone thinks we're doing. They think we're an Empire, time to bloody well show them excatly what an Empire looks like! Iraq is now known as Area 10. Unless a "10" pledges loyalty to America and becomes a Honorary American, you have no rights.
- Jeremyz0r, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1That's a 'veryyy' long article, I shall not waste my time on Bush's dribble of that magnitude. (I'll just accept that quote is in there and digg you.)
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1"Twelve million people can suck a red, white and blue *****. We conquered them. It's ours now."
No, it's not. Annexation by conquest is no longer allowed under international treaties, including the Geneva Conventions.
If the Iraqis wants the US to leave, then the US should leave. I do hope that McCain will side with Dubya on this one (which is likely), as it will only make his defeat more resounding in November.- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1You do realize that our official stance on the Geneva conventions is that they're "obsolete" and "quaint," right? And that we aren't accountable to the International Court? We're not your average nation. We're able to do whatever we feel like doing without accountability. Just watch.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Doesn't matter that Bush or one of his cronies think that the conventions are quaint - the US has still signed them, and there is a heavy political price to pay for going against them.
As for the notion that the US can do anything without any kind of accountability, that may be the case, but it does alienate other nations, including the US' allies, and continues to weaken the country.
The US can't go it alone against the rest of the world - heck, it can't even control an insurgency in Iraq without the help of Sunni chieftains. You are grossly overestimating the country's actual strength - but then again you've shown that your predictions are BS before...
- Hangly, on 07/10/2008, -1/+7"Now leave."
- mshtml, on 07/10/2008, -3/+11Be prepared for a rise in "terrorist attacks" across Iraq. The number of Iraqis fighting the occupation will only grow larger.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -6/+1An excellent excuse to start killing tens of thousands of Iraqis at a time again.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Yeah, because that will solve everything... *rolls eyes*
You really want for America to be weakened, don't you? - RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Only a raging liberal would think that exterminating the enemy weakens the victor.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Only an idiot would think that peace can be achieved by slaughtering the enemy.
Hint: "exterminating" the enemy in this context is impossible, in addition to being immoral. You kill an insurgent, you just made an enemy of his brother, his cousin, his son, his father.
The more you post, the clearer it becomes that you do not think rationally but emotionally; furthermore, the only emotions that seem to come out of you are hate, fear and overcompensating for some sort of inferiority complex. You may be an old fart, but it seems you still need to grow up quite a bit. - RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1You don't make an enemy of an insurgent's brother, cousin, son and father if you kill them all. There's nothing emotional about it. It's pragmatism. We have an enormous military capability that's our greatest asset in dealing with this situation. There's no reason to be sentimental about the lives of the conquered. We need Iraq as a tactical stronghold in the region. If the locals become problematic then the locals have to be dealt with.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1The problem is that you can't kill them all. Even if you possibly could, that would be immoral, illegal and would actually greatly increase terrorist attacks against the US on its own soil, meaning more Americans would die as well.
It's a good thing no one thinks like you anymore, as you clearly do not embody the principles the US was founded upon. The Founding Fathers would be appalled by your callous reasoning. - RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1The U.S. was founded upon the principles of racial inequality and aboriginal genocide. Maybe you need to crack a book from time to time. The founding fathers would have owned Obama and sold his children for breeding stock.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Yeah, because that will solve everything... *rolls eyes*
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -6/+1An excellent excuse to start killing tens of thousands of Iraqis at a time again.
- tufftugg, on 07/10/2008, -5/+6roflmao@American liberators....Occupier's....spreaders of Democracy my azz...What was that noise, oh yes, another click of Hypocrisy.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -3/+1It's not hypocrisy. We tell people what they want to hear and we go ahead and do whatever we please. That's not being a hypocrite. That's not giving a ***** what we say to peasants with questions.
- russ3, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Wait so we are running their government? We are telling them what to do? We refused to leave? No. We are providing security since we toppled their crazy dictator. There is a civil war in that country right now (argue with the fact that they are killing each other in numbers far higher than they are killing Americans). Their security forces are a joke, they can only handle the 9 provinces that are compliant. If we were to leave tomorrow Iraq would descend into a horrible brutal civil war/genocide. If we were "there for oil" our troops would be sitting around a big ***** wall, guarding the oil fields. But they are not they are in cities and towns, patrolling daily.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Blah, blah...we took their country because we like the real estate. We'd planned to do it before 9/11, but that just gave us a good excuse.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -3/+1It's not hypocrisy. We tell people what they want to hear and we go ahead and do whatever we please. That's not being a hypocrite. That's not giving a ***** what we say to peasants with questions.
- sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -19/+2The antisemitic 911 troofer bigots (AKA pro-muslim extremist) are at it again with their lies. The Iraqi government never formally demanded a withdrawal of American troops. The Iraqi President just commented about it, and he isn't exactly a dictator. Lets wait until the Iraqi parliament decides.
- Tssst, on 07/10/2008, -1/+6prime minister = head of the parliament.
And the prime minister (not the president) is the one demanding the withdrawal- sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -1/+0Did they vote on it *****? Was a resolution formally approved?
- Tssst, on 07/10/2008, -1/+6prime minister = head of the parliament.
- WhiteRaven, on 07/10/2008, -13/+8Get a grip. This is NOT a refusal to withdraw and construing it as such is at best a demonstration of a basic lack of comprehension skills and at worst a bald faced lie. The Iraqi government feels that establishing a time table is the best route while the Bush administration believes that such time tables are little more than how-to guides for terrorists, insurgents and political opportunists. The Iraqis have NOT ordered the US to leave, they merely wish to discuss policy.
Saying no to a time table (in actual fact, it would be best to say the administration is "expressing opposition to the idea") is nothing likem refusing to withdraw and any person that construes it as such is an ass-hat.- SuperMoses, on 07/10/2008, -4/+6// The Iraqi government feels that establishing a time table is the best route while the Bush administration believes that such time tables are little more than how-to guides for terrorists, insurgents and political opportunists. //
How about who gives a flying ***** what the Bush administration believes. It's not their country so GET THE ***** OUT! And pay massive reparations while you're at it for destroying their country. The majority of Iraqis want them out, then they should leave. NOW! They already ***** things up bad enough. They won't leave though because they're not done raping their resources. - V3NOM, on 07/10/2008, -2/+5"Expressing opposition to the idea" just sounds like political spin on saying no, to me...
- BowieX, on 07/10/2008, -2/+3LOL, WhiteRaven. I wonder who will get their way in the end? The Iraqi people's elected government? Or will the Bush administration admit through action that that government is a sham?
- Jeremyz0r, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1I'm the asshat that just buried you.
- SuperMoses, on 07/10/2008, -4/+6// The Iraqi government feels that establishing a time table is the best route while the Bush administration believes that such time tables are little more than how-to guides for terrorists, insurgents and political opportunists. //
- Dan11023, on 07/10/2008, -18/+7buried. Submitted by an obama fanboy.
- DroppedGT, on 07/10/2008, -11/+1DAMNIT DO THEY GOT TO ***** EVERYTHING UP!
- ericjohnson0, on 07/10/2008, -11/+1The truth about Iraq you're not being told.
http://ghostrider.homestead.com/msm_reality.jpg - krnldmp, on 07/10/2008, -3/+3I see. Bush invaded the instant his crew was sure he could get away with it and now they think he's going to discuss cleaning up and going home? Whew! No wonder he chose Iraq.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -10/+4Dude, we conquered them. We own them. They can't demand *****. We're never leaving. We knew when we went in we were never going to leave. It's our strategic outpost in the middle east now and they can make all the demands they like, but we aren't going anywhere. And that's how you play, "You lost that war, buddy."
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2Utter BS. You can no longer "conquer" territories through war. It goes against a whole bunch of treaties the US has signed.
The US can barely keep the peace even though most of the population grudgingly accept the military's presence - what do you think would happen if the whole population decided the Americans had to leave? US forces would run away with their tail between their legs, like they did in Vietnam.- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1We sign treaties to shut people up. We routinely break them. Ask the native Americans.
And we're not barely hanging on like we were in Vietnam. We could kill every man, woman and child in Iraq in the span of a month if we wanted to. They all continue to breathe because of our benevolence. They need to cross their fingers and hope we don't change our mind about letting them stick around to run errands for us. - archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2You don't "routinely" break treaties, that is more BS coming from you.
And the US wouldn't be able to kill every man, woman and child in Iraq even if it wanted to (not that any government would allow such a genocide). The only reason the US has made *any* progress in Iraq is because the Sunni chiefs have decided that the violence had been going on for long enough, and have started to police their territories.
Again, you are grossly overestimating the US' power, or willingess to fight. Typical of your idiotic ramblings. - RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1The use of the Sunni chiefs isn't a matter of necessity, it's a matter of convenience. It's easier to throw some money at them and let them stand in harm's way than it is to put our own people in harm's way. Far easier would be eradicating the enemy entirely, even if that means killing 3 people who aren't involved in the insurgency for every 1 that is. The problem with that is men like yourself who'll whine about it incessantly. BTW, there's no government out there that can "allow" or disallow our actions if we choose to act. That's a pleasant fiction that the Left cling to, but in reality our government can do whatever it pleases and it doesn't really matter what the rest of the world thinks of it.
There are about 30 million people in Iraq. Killing 80% of them could be accomplished in a month. It would probably take another year to get the rest, but with their link to supplies and aid cut off (by the elimination of the remaining population) it wouldn't be nearly as hard as you probably imagine. We aren't likely to do it, but we can make it happen at an instant's notice if it becomes necessary. - archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2Convenience, eh? I guess that's why the US wasn't making *any* progress before the Sunni chiefs decided to take matters in their own hands.
Killing 80% of Iraqis would make the US worse than Nazi Germany; even the Chinese would be appalled, and there would be a world-wide coalition against the US, which would then be defeated, just like Nazi Germany was (in any case, most US citizens would not accept this from their government and would work at overthrowing it).
It's not "whining" to denounce such thinking - it's just common human decency. Apparently, you have no morals whatsoever, and are a horrible human being. Good thing you are completely irrelevant. - RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1We were making plenty of progress against the insurgents. We were killing thousands of Iraqis every year. The levels of violence weren't tapering off, though, and to shut up the whining estrogen-soaked man-children back home we started paying the Sunnis to calm things down.
- RRJackson, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1We sign treaties to shut people up. We routinely break them. Ask the native Americans.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -1/+2Utter BS. You can no longer "conquer" territories through war. It goes against a whole bunch of treaties the US has signed.
- Aikidi, on 07/10/2008, -10/+6ileen between the utter nonsense that you've been spewing at these diggers and the obama hope decal as your icon, i want to vote mccain.
and i despise mccain- ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Just like your emotionally undeveloped friend-boys, you don't like it when a woman speaks her mind. Quote the "nonsense" and state something intelligent and enlightening please. I always make sure to in my comments. Here's something:
John McCain who told several newspapers that he knows nothing about Economics but then told Tim Russert that he never said that, until he admitted he did, explained that THAT is why he relies on Phil Gramm and Carly Fiorina!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_APdK9fgDM
Over breakfast McCain surrogate and likely VP Candidate Carly Fiorina brings up the fact that Insurance Mandates coverage for Viagra but nor for birth control. “Women should have a choice” Whoops. McCain voted to cover VIAGRA and NOT TO COVER BIRTH CONTROL WATCH GRANDPA SQUIRM WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/...ce.qu ...
The McCain record on Women’s Health issues
http://www.ppaction.org/ppvotes/pr-03052008_mccain ...
Oh, and if you've read my comments carefully, I take any little boys' comments at me as tokens of love. So thanks for the love dude.
- ileen4justice, on 07/11/2008, -0/+2Just like your emotionally undeveloped friend-boys, you don't like it when a woman speaks her mind. Quote the "nonsense" and state something intelligent and enlightening please. I always make sure to in my comments. Here's something:
- mysticalnegro, on 07/10/2008, -6/+5I dont see whats the big deal. The Iraqi government wants America to leave, and Bush doesn't. I think bush knows a bit more about Iraq then the iraqi's do. I mean, Bush must know alot, because the american public elected him twice, and the american public isnt stupid. ifso facto.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Please tell me this is sarcasm...
- FortyCaliber, on 07/10/2008, -2/+3Why, us not leaving sounds like an act of war to me!
Bush:well, since we're in here... - pintomp3, on 07/10/2008, -2/+4mccain said he would pull out the troops if the iraqi government wants us to. i wonder what his response will be.
- m0n0kr0m3, on 07/10/2008, -2/+3Typical *****!
- ZenMojo, on 07/10/2008, -2/+3The Iraqis need a "Baghdad Oil Party." They can dress up as bedouins and throw barrels into what's left of their bombed out and dried up wetlands.
- BotchaMcCoola, on 07/10/2008, -3/+1I bet Germany, Japan, North and South Korea will tell you it is painful to be beaten by the US but oh how sweet to rip them off forever after. Anyone want an American Car, cheap, cheaper? The USA has become like some old planatation lady who has lost her wealth and prestige but still thinks she is the richest philanthropist in the whole county.
- archiesteel, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1South Korea wasn't beaten by the US...the US was fighting on the side against the North (who were supported by the Chinese).
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 07/10/2008, -6/+4Buried as inaccurate.
Suggest != demand - yarayara, on 07/10/2008, -1/+3Iraquis...
It is time to protest peacefully in the street, without bombs. Take the americans off your territorry. And dont let them keep any military base!!- Codwhy, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3Iraqi's,
I highly recommend against protesting in the street, blackwater will most likely murder you.
with love,
America
p.s. I'm Sorry. :(
- Codwhy, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3Iraqi's,
- mk2cav, on 07/10/2008, -2/+5If the Amercian Government have been asked to leave and have refused, does that mean they are now illegaly occupying a foreign country ?
- coyote1284, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1America was asked to discuss a time-table for withdrawl, not told to leave, not given a date to be gone by, just talk about a plan for leaving.
Take that as you will. If you wan't to consider me a neo-con Bush apologist, so be it. I have no interest in propogating a long infantile discussion over it.
- coyote1284, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1America was asked to discuss a time-table for withdrawl, not told to leave, not given a date to be gone by, just talk about a plan for leaving.
- junkwheel, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2The two reasons for invasion were geopolitical positioning and control of energy resources.
There were no other reasons whatsoever. And they knew this beforehand.
Why would they now leave?
If memory serves me right, US oil production will be dried up in 2010, leaving the country completely reliant on other countries for oil. - FKnight, on 07/10/2008, -3/+6This blogger took an AP story, read it, disregarded everything in it, then made ***** up.
Blogging. The "New Media". The "New Media" apparently doesn't include fact checking. I can't wait until all of you "bloggers" are eventually put out of business by real journalists who know how to do things like comprehend what an AP story is saying.
Yet there is some hope that maybe this blogger does indeed have a brain. In that case, this post is mearly just a guy throwing spin and lies up against the wall and seeing what sticks. Fortunately for him, Digg is full of people who don't give a ***** about facts anyway as long as they can say that the United States is an Imperial Force with Darth ***** Sidious running it. - tpearl, on 07/10/2008, -6/+3More spewing sewage from the left.
- Fhwqhgads, on 07/10/2008, -2/+4No *****. They don't even listen to the AMERICAN demand for withdrawal. What makes people think they will listen to Iraq?
- AboveandBeyond, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2yea but the goverment is not democratically elected...oh wait..
- schragnasher, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1From the ACTUAL story
"The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq's provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.
After that, the country's security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.
So far, the United States has handed control of nine of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials.
"This is what the Iraqi people want, the parliament and other Iraqi leaders," said al-Adeeb.
The proposal, as outlined by al-Adeeb, is phrased in a way that would allow Iraqi officials to tell the Iraqi public that it includes a specific timetable and dates for a U.S. withdrawal.
However, it also would provide the United States some flexibility on timing because the dates of the provincial handovers are not set."
Why not try reading for a change, Bush HAS said he opposes a timetable, he didn't say he disagreed with this proposal, he said he didn't think it was a rigid timetable, if anything, he was saying he liked it. "The White House said Monday it did not believe Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals." Read that one line..."The proposal, as outlined by al-Adeeb, is phrased in a way that would allow Iraqi officials to tell the Iraqi public that it includes a specific timetable and dates for a U.S. withdrawal. However, it also would provide the United States some flexibility on timing because the dates of the provincial handovers are not set." Looks like its trying to make a happy solution for everyone, which is the point of NEGOTIATIONS if you read the dang story and not be a bunch of haters. The bias in both the blog AND the yahoo title and first few paragraphs is appalling to me. - notSLICK, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1maybe iraq will get smart and joint forces with iran to wage war against us, tho occupiers.
- TruBlu2, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2This is just getting really depressing. Our government just does whatever they feel like doing...they hijacked Iraq, Afghanistan, our Constitution and are working on us.
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