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Bush Abolishes Fifth Amendment

roguegovernment.com — George W. Bush who has already declared himself a dictator in the case of a national emergency has now issued an executive order that effectively destroys the Fifth Amendment

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  • wattznext, on 10/11/2007, -15/+128How do you sue in federal court when you are being held in an undisclosed prison with with no rights and w/o being charged with anything?

    Everybody says "oh don't worry, they will never actually use this." i don't know about you but
    a. i feel much more comfortable with my government NOT having the right to do this, whether i think they will or not
    b. do you really trust this administration, and all administrations going forward to not take advantage of this provision?
  • edrainkona, on 10/11/2007, -25/+91***** You, George Bush.
  • wattznext, on 10/11/2007, -31/+94This is the is on the front page RIGHT NOW (10:35am EDT July 20). Sheesh these dupes are getting old.
  • Otto, on 10/11/2007, -33/+91What? Are you people even *reading* the order? In order for it to apply to you, you must either:
    a) commit an act of violence that ***** up the effort in Iraq in some way,
    b) materially assist somebody doing A, or
    c) attempt to help somebody who gets nailed for A or B

    In other words, speaking out against the war is NOT covered by this order. Learn to read, people!

    Buried as inaccurate.
  • Tyrsson, on 10/11/2007, -8/+61Ron Paul doesn't even show up in the article!
  • Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -20/+64The enter key. DO YOU HAVE IT?
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -18/+55And Bush supporters are like "What da' heck is the 5th amendment??"

  • gernblansted, on 10/11/2007, -1/+32Akaji:

    I don't know if he used his enter key or not. I DO know that on many occasions all my line breaks just 'go away'. When I finish my comment, it 'folds back' into the discussion text, looks OK, then if I reload the page - the line breaks are gone.

    There is some kind of bug going on with digg responses and line breaks. There are several line breaks in this message. I have to wonder if they will disappear.
  • toxicityj, on 10/11/2007, -16/+46VIVA LA REVOLUCION
  • johndoenumber2, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

    This language seems to limit the applicable offense to one of acts of violence. This seems to indicate that the purpose is to freeze the assets of those in support of the insurgency or other violent organizations not to just people who do not support the war effort.
    That is my observation at least. This is being blown out of proportion just a bit I think.
  • pcghost, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26I know you are trying to be helpfull iAlex, and I actually agree with what you are saying completely.....BUT
    Please stop posting the exact same paragraph in every political thread, or at least fix the spelling on the master document before copying and pasting it everywhere. There is a Y in anything man!. Oh and Tor kicks ass.
  • sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -22/+44Unfortunately for our country, we're getting closer and closer to a police state. at that point it wont be long until our own people resort to terrorism in a sad attempt to gain back the freedom that has been stolen from us.

    It's obvious that our government no longer has any shame or pride. 5 years ago, if a senators name popped up on some pimps phone list (See: DC Maddam) he would step down in shame(Or any of the other serious ethical violations that are seen everyday). Now, you stay quiet for a week, apologize, and continue to ruin our checks and balance system
  • darkhand, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23"at that point it wont be long until our own people resort to terrorism in a sad attempt to gain back the freedom that has been stolen from us."

    Was George Washington a terrorist? It's revolution, not terrorism.
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -30/+50DUPE.
  • LetsGoHawks, on 10/11/2007, -14/+33lots of dupes, I know

    This is just another case of civil forfeiture (look it up), which has been "legal" for years for drug cases. I don't agree with it either, but this is far from new
  • tsaylor, on 10/11/2007, -6/+21Standing to sue the Government? Good luck.
  • SpectralSounds, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14My favorite is when I open up multiple digg threads and my PC just basically takes a ***** and dies for a couple of minutes until the threads load.

    Also, I like how when I add one line break.. and then submit the comment, it puts multiple lines between my text. Then I have to edit it. The edit reverts it back to no line breaks, then I have to add a line break ... THEN it works.

    Thanks Digg for dumping this ***** comment system on us.
  • kopasa, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20buried for no mention of Ron Paul
  • nitramlliw, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14i think my favorite is the one when you try to enter the text for "are you human" and it's wrong. no matter how many times you try.
  • jessicass, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13I think I am personally fond of comments randomly just not getting posted, either that or the inability to fetch replies to a buried comment.
  • gernblansted, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14I reloaded. From my firefox browser, all line breaks appear to have been removed.
  • OwdenBowden, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14It is the new comment system. There are many bugs with it. My Favorite bug is the double posting of comments.... Love that feature.

    Maybe they need to get some more Venture Capital to fix the problem?

  • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -24/+37Has anyone BOTHERED to read the executive orders that they are talking about? This is all a major overreaction from people who just absolutely HATE Bush and are so blinded by that hate that they will do whatever it takes to get him removed.
  • antibastard, on 10/11/2007, -9/+21there's no telling how much damage can be done to a person's life while they wait for a chance to challenge this in federal court. the order explicitly states that it can be used against United States citizens, and you make the claim that they never will. you are an idiot.
  • slackbassist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Uhm...I believe that was James Madison with that whole "Right to Bear Arms" dealie in the second amendment.
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14Ever get the feeling everyone is laughing at you?
  • newsheatdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16That all depends on whose side you are on. The rest of the world consider some of the U.S.'s actions in other countries terrorism.
  • Kitsune818, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12What are you on about, nutter?
  • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -11/+23You have to... you know... follow the herd. If you don't blindly swallow the anti-Bush propaganda, you aren't a caring person. You're evil and are just like Bush. Therefore, your actions don't matter except where they can twist it around and try to make you look bad.
  • soporifics, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Yes, immediate standing to sue in Alberto Gonzales's Federal "Court." There's definitely a reality-distortion field in effect, but it ain't on the anti-Bush side.
  • aaronm67, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10I like how the entire comment system is pretty much unusable on Konqueror, meaning that just for one site, I have to use a whole different browser.

    There are thousands of other sites with comment systems with very similar structures that work just fine. Digg decided to go all fancy and "Web 2.0" and implemented it terribly.
  • theghoul, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13Did anyone else read this as "Bush Abolishes Fifth Element" ?
  • noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14I'm noticing a trend any comment that suggests the order should be read is being buried.
  • Jenniferwillow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9"For example, which ***** thought it would be a good idea to give Americans the right to carry guns!?"

    I suppose that would be a true patriot who actually saw what it was like to go through a revolution against an empire, and wanted the citizens to be able to defend and overthrow another empire should the constitution become null and void. As Ben Franklin once said, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb"

    Why oh why do I feed trolls....
  • tucsonsun13, on 10/11/2007, -24/+32I know where people want to go with this. But in this case, I think we are over-reacting.
  • gmiley, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Broad generalizations are fun...
  • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12With, of course, the government defining "act of violence" and "***** up the effort." Oh, and it also includes posing a _risk_ of doing that "act of violence" - again, with the government defining "risk of..."

    You mean like someone threating to blow up a building?



    "Like, say, driving them to the protest?"
    You can PEACEFULLY protest all you want. But if you drive someone to a place where they set off a bomb... you bet your ass you're liable



    "Like - oh, I don't know - being their defense lawyer?"
    No, you are allowed a defense lawyer. You are not able to give money, items, or weapons to someone that is going to commit an act of violence.


    Nice way to cherry pick your way through a document. Next time, read it without assumptions and you'll have a better argument.
  • noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Disagree, no. Use a bomb to stop, yes.

    It doesn't say anything about simply disagreeing or protesting. So thanks for proving that you didn't read a damned thing.

    All theis does is take the usual punishment for already defined treason and adds freezing their assets.
  • inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+13treason to disagree with political decisions?

    look up democracy in a dictionary.
  • toxicityj, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8really? Because I'm pretty sure its revolución.
  • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I guess you've never read these documents then to realize HOW ***** STUPID this interpretation is? I mean, you have to go in to this and cherry pick parts of sentences and ignore the EXACT CAUSES that will invoke the RESULTS described above.
  • wendelgee2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Well put.
  • Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7The 5th Amendment says you can't be deprived of property without due process of law.

    An executive order authorizing it doesn't make it constitutional.
  • noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12No, it sounds like someone is literate.
  • jgzman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9If I have no property, or interest in property, how precisely can I sue? Lawyers cost lots of $$$.

    More importantly, a corporation can be for all practical purposes destroyed with this. I hate to be concerned about corporations, but in this case, it is required to be concerned. Say, if the ACLU was declared in violation of this order, the entire organization could be eliminated in one fell swoop.

  • ed3839, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Executive Order, not signing statement. Signing statements are meaningless.
  • Mullinator, on 10/11/2007, -19/+25heh, I think people are really over reacting. Maybe they like the idea of being a part of a rebel alliance fighting the evil galactic empire but that really doesn't mean it's nearly that bad. Sure things aren't exactly great right now but they are no where near as bad as people make it seem. Plus I predict things will change relatively quickly for the better, the status quo is not going to worsen.
  • HPCELarry, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Thank you. Its aimed at those who support the enemy in their acts of violence, not those who speak against it. People need to read before they run around screaming revolution.
  • therightside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Dont ask diggers to be logical, we're outraged!!!
  • Louie510, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7This is no mention of Ron Paul in the article what are you talkin about? This is about Bush abolishing due process... if you're not angry you're not paying attention.
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