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- inactive, on 11/19/2007, -6/+193Americans: PAY ATTENTION TO BRITISH TV
They broke the voter caging story in 2004, they broke the real story about Bush's Natn'l Guard service before Dan Rather did. Their hands are in different people's pockets than American media, so you can get alot of information that CNN doesn't dare to release. - trotskyist, on 11/19/2007, -4/+91Well, you see, uh...
clearly..
um..
9/11? - mrferg, on 11/19/2007, -3/+83"Americans: PAY ATTENTION TO BRITISH TV"
Yup, Top Gear is awesome - walmsley, on 11/19/2007, -48/+113Funny this. We get told these things a little late round here don't we. Just 6 years late. Channel 4 also fail to mention any of the discrepancies to do with the command center, the 'WTC7'. They showed the collapse but failed to mention what building it was leaving the viewer with just an image of a collapsing building which could be anything as far as they'd know. I mean how many people actually know that 3 buildings came down that day? I'd make a guess at not near as many as should.
Why would they want to go into the details of WTC7? I guess thats justa whole lot more of reporting they'd have to do that to be honest they don't really want to get in to.
If anyone is interested this was a rather interesting video I stumbled on a while ago.It's a clip from the end of a lecture by John Gross, Leader of the NIST investigation into the collapses of the buildings on 9/11. Watch this man squirm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HnKKLqL9kQ
digg me down for asking unwanted questions. - Groovemaster, on 11/19/2007, -2/+61Not without lying.
- bmdubya, on 11/19/2007, -4/+57British news is so much better than American news.
- Auto, on 11/19/2007, -1/+52I don't know about you, but I could never bring myself to trust a person who is using 3,000 American deaths as a catalyst to the GOP nomination.
- Paroparo, on 11/19/2007, -3/+48I'm a European and this video is pretty much all I know about this Giuliani fellow. He seems like a total douche, but I'm interested in hearing the other side of the story. Could any Giuliani supporters on digg please tell me why he's actually a good guy etc?
- k3ano, on 11/19/2007, -0/+43It's called "journalism". All eyes are on the US now for this election to see if you royally ***** up big time.
- thelastcivilian, on 11/19/2007, -3/+46Freedom of the press seems to exist... across the ocean. Pity.
- byrdgang, on 11/19/2007, -1/+38You don't have to ask Giuliani supporters. I can give you everything myself. Here are some of the reasons they support him.
1. He supposedly dramatically reduced crime, but I have concrete evidence that this point can be questioned from several angles. For one, it has been found that Giuliani created an atmosphere that essentially encouraged police officers to classify big crimes as smaller crimes, as a matter of discretion. For example, if you are called to a house where there was a fight, do you report the incident as domestic abuse, or do you report it as just a small fight about nothing between two people? Using discretionary tactics such as this, there were police officers who played down crimes by either not reporting crimes (trying to solve things on the street) or just classifying a crime as something less serious. This would reduce crimes in the serious crimes category, which is great news for Giuliani.
Furthermore, experts came together not long ago to discuss what was behind New York's decline in crime during Giuliani's tenure, and I don't remember a single person having been dumb enough to either solely credit Giuliani, or give him a chunk of credit. Even I say he had something to do with the fall in crime, but based on all evidence, he had much less to do with it than he claims he has. I have more proof of this, but Digg is not the place for a lengthy discussion. Contact me for more info.
2. He supposedly cut down on welfare rolls. Well, the truth is that Giuliani shuffled people around. Those who were on welfare were required to work and get paid for that work (or it would be in exchange for welfare benefits - this is called workfare). The people were not any better off, however! He gives you the impression these people went from welfare to going to school at Oxford or Harvard. It's just not true. For many of these people, they were placed under a system that was already used to moving people from one list to another. In this case, these people were moved from the welfare list to the list of people receiving benefits for what was really busy work. They weren't doing real work. They were doing busy work such as cleaning parks. Giuliani made himself feel better, but doing this did absolutely nothing for those who were previously on welfare. It can also be debated whether doing this was actually any better for New Yorkers at large.
3. He was supposedly fiscally conservative. The truth is that Giuliani is so deceptive, if you don't know what you're talking about, you'd easily be convinced that he was fiscally conservative. In some instances, he takes credit for taxes that were removed through the work of other people. In other cases, he overplays his role in reducing taxes, by exaggerating his role in doing so. He even took credit for getting rid of a tax that he actually wanted the city to keep in place. More information is available at www.factcheck.org. Giuliani also deceptively makes claims about creating a budget surplus, and this claim is funny because it is a play on numbers (lying through statistics is well known - read How To Lie With Statistics). He actually created a deficit by the time he left, and the truth, according to experts, is that 9/11 had very little to do with the deficit.
4. Supporters have a false sense of security under Giuliani. He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. There is absolutely no evidence that Giuliani would scare Osama Bin Laden face to face. There's nothing in Giuliani's record that indicates he would be a good match for Al-Qaeda. I would be willing to debate any Giuliani supporter on this, or even Giuliani. Giuliani has fabricated something about himself that gives some people the impression that they are safer under his presidency. It's ludicrous. There's no evidence to back this up, not even his lies about knowing about Al Qaeda before most other people. He claimed that he sensed the danger of Al Qaeda before any other people. 9/11 commission documents directly contradict this, and show, without a doubt, his ignorance about Al Qaeda.
I can go on and on, but this is clearly not the place to do this. For anyone who is willing to put up a fight over what I have said, don't make yourself seem nutty. I would tear you to pieces, because I have actually been doing my homework on Giuliani for a long time. I guarantee you I know more about Giuliani than some of those people in his inner circles. - steveoco, on 11/19/2007, -2/+37America does not have the advantage of an outside view. America's media is for the most part anything inside the countries borders.
That is why it is so frustrating to watch what is happening in America from another country.,.. you see how ridiculous and transparent the government is there and no one is doing anything about it. - juicycutlets, on 11/19/2007, -1/+35Giuliani is a Douchebag.
- blindhammer, on 11/19/2007, -6/+37He's a great guy because he was on TV. That's how Americans judge greatness.
- finista, on 11/19/2007, -4/+33what an *****
- romistrub, on 11/19/2007, -5/+31Hmm. A couple parts of that seemed a little like "trash talking," like when they mentioned his mistress, but there was some very informative reporting there, too. I'm amazed that people aren't seeing the other side of this man. It's a shame when critical talking points are dismissed flagrantly by way of the "propaganda" label.
- ArrakisDune, on 11/19/2007, -0/+24This is classed as "political manipulation" now? I guess I had better start watching Fox instead to get some real facts.
Oh, hang on..... - MioTheGreat, on 11/19/2007, -0/+22It's not like we can trust our own media.
- drjones78, on 11/19/2007, -1/+21I have yet to meet or know anyone who thinks he is a good guy and would be anything but a disaster in the whitehouse. I really dont know who or where these clueless Giuliani supporters are.
- byrdgang, on 11/19/2007, -1/+21Digg posted my comment twice. I never clicked on the button twice. Not my fault.
- vguard, on 11/19/2007, -0/+19Does ANYBODY actually like Giuliani? If not, how come he's the front runner? I call ***** on the media!
How can some so universally hated, be in the lead???
This doesn't add up... - tonto69, on 11/19/2007, -3/+22Fox News wants Guiliani to win. Just ask Judith Regan.
Fox News Sucks! Guiliani Sucks! - Chupatumama, on 11/19/2007, -3/+22Red herring.
The building did not go up like a blow torch. It had a few localized fires in a few windows but rather minimal smoke as well.
Show me one video which looks like a blowtorch.
There is none.
Why would they claim there was?
BTW, WTC 7 was between two other buildings that received the same amount of debris. WTC 7 was re-inforced, the other two were not.
WTC 7 went down, the buildings on both sides did not.
Never did a buidling ever fall down because of being gutted by fire.
I will leave you believe what you want about WTC 1 and 2 so if you take those two out of the equation*, WTC7 then becomes the first building ever to come crumbling down because of a fire.
THE FIRST.
There are tons of charred skyscrappers that were gutted by fire but not one came down because of it.
WTC 7 is never explained by the whitewash commission although it should be a fascinating subject engineers because it is is the first. *
Who has the most to gain by claiming that the WTC7 went up like a blowtorch? - Sedako, on 11/19/2007, -1/+20What the hell is a moonbat? Insults just keep getting weaker and weaker these days...
- inactive, on 11/19/2007, -0/+19I'd call this an excellent piece of journalistic investigation, but it didn't really take that much investigation to put it together. Not to disparage Channel 4 for putting this together, this is the kind of news voters need to be informed. I say that mostly to disparage our own media, who seem content to report Giulianis campaign propaganda as news without any question.
In lieu of being able to rely on the media to disseminate information like this, it should be passed on by everyone who has viewed it to as many people as they can, especially those who Giulianis campaign is targeting. If the media cannot get the job done, it can be replaced by people now because of this new medium for communication. - glensvodka, on 11/19/2007, -0/+18This isn't "what the British think", just the facts about Giuliani's past. The messenger is irrelevant.
- drlha, on 11/19/2007, -0/+17That might be a fair point if British TV didn't also analyze and dig into British Politicians in the same way as they are with Guiliani here. The fact is that the US media isn't doing its job.
- parawing742, on 11/19/2007, -1/+18I think the main point is that Rudy failed to listen to the advise of experts and put his emergency command center right next to a known terrorist target instead of being safety underground.
- mrASSMAN, on 11/19/2007, -1/+17Anyone who trash talks that ***** gets my approval..
- SiNN4R, on 11/19/2007, -1/+17A command center in one of the tallest buildings in a city? I fail to see how that could be a bad idea.
- mrjit, on 11/19/2007, -1/+16Oh please, look who we have in office right now. You'd be an idiot not to listen to less biased view points in regards to politics.
- massrox, on 11/19/2007, -0/+15Thinking about it now, i'd love to see Giuliani on Newsnight. I doubt Paxman would let him get away with his 'my answer to all of the media's questions is... 9/11' routine.
- Groovemaster, on 11/19/2007, -20/+35Please don't discuss the elephant in the living room. It forces people to question the comfortable yet fake reality fed to them daily by the corporate-controlled mainstream media.
http://www.creepygif.com/images/full/268.gif - blindhammer, on 11/19/2007, -1/+16If David Duke was mayor of New York during 9/11 and, like Giuliani, simply gave a few easy speeches and waked around in front of the TV, we would have David Duke running as frontrunner in this campaign. My point is, it doesn't matter who was mayor during 9/11. As long as they did a decent job in reassuring people, they would have traction.
- Meowbiusfox, on 11/19/2007, -2/+17I just went to Macy's and ordered him new sets of Monogrammed towels
that say"Douchebag" on them. - milkmage, on 11/19/2007, -1/+16... and monogrammed towels and a humidor are not MISSION ***** CRITICAL FOR A COMMAND CENTER - regardless of how cheap - still wasted money
- vguard, on 11/19/2007, -0/+13They don't have any news on American television.
- ptFoe, on 11/19/2007, -4/+17brits showing the yanks how it's done as usual
- crapmatic, on 11/19/2007, -0/+13no biggie.
- KingCook, on 11/19/2007, -5/+18He's a great dresser :)
- DigitAl56K, on 11/19/2007, -1/+14You're right, it doesn't add up. That's how corrupt American politics are these days.
- UrinalPooper, on 11/19/2007, -0/+13You're being buried but that's on-point, him not being Empress Hillary is the only reason anyone would possibly support him
You don't even have to consider the jebus factor, because he's religiously on-par with her in terms of the demo they would be fighting for.
Obama has about as much a chance of beating her for the nomination as I do. He's just there to make the traditional southern racist democrats nominate her instead of him. I don't think she'll pick him for VP this run because it's the only thing that would put an already assured victory in jeopardy. He's an intelligent man, he knows this and I'm sure he's going to get some other kind of political capitol(sic) out of this from the DNC. I'm guessing senator-for-life a la Kennedy.
What's scarier than Empress Hillary?
Chancellor Guiliani. - crapmatic, on 11/19/2007, -0/+13As compared to threads about Bush and Cheney, it's actually kind of funny that not one person here is defending Giuliani. How in the hell is he so far ahead in the primaries?
- nullx42, on 11/19/2007, -6/+199/11! 9/11 9/11 9/11... 9/11? 9/11! 9.... 11 :[
- inactive, on 11/19/2007, -2/+14Since when did Rather "retract" the story? He apologized for not checking a source (one source out of many).
- mrASSMAN, on 11/19/2007, -1/+12Well British TV has an easier time doing this because they won't be accused of political bias, it's different when you have a direct impact on the presidential election. It would likely be considered slander if a similar story aired here.
/devil's advocate - DigitAl56K, on 11/19/2007, -0/+11Exactly! And the tallest building where the most wealth is traded is bound to have the most luxurious interior to bask in while the terrorists attack. I particularly like your interior style choices, Giuliani.
- byrdgang, on 11/19/2007, -0/+11Oh, you're trying to use what you think is common sense, huh? Well, you probably haven't heard of a Jerry Hauer, who advised Giuliani not to put the emergency center near a high risk area, but Giuliani decided to do it anyway. If there's any evidence of Giuliani going against the advice of experts (Jerry is a terrorism expert - Google him) and also lacking what can be considered common sense, especially after the 93 attack, this is it!
There you go. Have fun with your Giuliani delusion. - blinki, on 11/19/2007, -2/+12wow, imagine what this is going to do to his performance in the British polls....
- mrjit, on 11/19/2007, -0/+10You're sure as hell not a boon to it judging by your comment.
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