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youtube.com — Whether you love him or hate him, no one can deny Alex Jones' tireless passion for finding the truth and getting that truth out to the people. This short video is an edited version of Alex's 60-minute TV show from February 11th 2008 (his birthday!).
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- ExplosivesWTC, on 03/06/2008, -8/+20Alex Jones is a real hero against the corruption that is destroying the human race. Thank you Alex Jones for the knowledge I've gained from you about the New World Order. We must never give up the fight no matter how bleak. The people will win.
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -12/+14Do you work for him, or ARE you him? You do enough knob slathering that it has to be one or the other...
- insane11, on 03/07/2008, -11/+12I've wondered the same thing. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if it was Alex Jones, but I doubt it is. Probably just some ardent supporter of his who actually buys the things he says.
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -12/+13I don't know. His canned answers reek of employee. Fervent, kool-aid drinking employee, yes. Maybe even unpaid intern type of stuff. You know the type: the "prove to me you are loyal" intern type.
Short, buzzword only sentences. Yeah, probably just a drone who wishes he could be jerking AJ's wad... - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -8/+9"Short, buzzword only sentences. Yeah, probably just a drone who wishes he could be jerking AJ's wad..."
Says the hater who searches out AJ's work to comment on. ;) - Herkimer56, on 03/07/2008, -7/+9It's not Alex Jones. It's capriceclassic/calgary911truth with a new screen name.
- Einherar, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Buried, troll comments not welcome.
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -12/+13I don't know. His canned answers reek of employee. Fervent, kool-aid drinking employee, yes. Maybe even unpaid intern type of stuff. You know the type: the "prove to me you are loyal" intern type.
- Einherar, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Buried, troll comments not welcome.
- insane11, on 03/07/2008, -11/+12I've wondered the same thing. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if it was Alex Jones, but I doubt it is. Probably just some ardent supporter of his who actually buys the things he says.
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -12/+14Do you work for him, or ARE you him? You do enough knob slathering that it has to be one or the other...
- Hortnon, on 03/06/2008, -17/+12You interrupted No Quarter for this?
- Hortnon, on 03/06/2008, -17/+13Do you people watch this video and think "This man is a reasonable human being, just like any of us?"
He is such a ***** narcissist and arrogant son of a bitch. How can anyone listen to him speak and think he's out for anything besides making himself more famous?- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -8/+13how do you live with yourself you filthy pig ass piece of ***** lying bootlicker?
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -11/+13Woo!!! Bohemian is blowing a serious gasket! Don't be putting down his preacher!
Eat a bag of *****, you blue ball bitch. We all know you would crawl through a mile of AJ's *****, just to hear the sound of his piss hitting the toilet over a phone.- onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -13/+13Nice, you just made me spit a little bit of my coffee out onto my desk.
They've ALL blown a gasket lately. Did you see carD's diatribe when he challanged my IQ, claiming that his and alex jones' (and most of the worlds) would be much higher, and that a college education doesn't matter?
2trkpony did the same thing when I pointed out how wrong digg was in "predicting that paul would take the whitehouse". He wrote some 1000 word essay, that I didn't even bother to read past the first paragraph.
I think it's starting to sink in that their life's goal has basically been ruined. - ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -12/+13I don't see any of card's posts, and barely read 2trkpony. He is so full of buzzwords, I skip right over. Didn't Alex Johes say flouride has lowered his IQ at least 20 points? So he was what, high MENSA before? All the preachers of the past prove you don't have to be smart to do what he does, just good at some basic techniques.
They really are blowing up though, aren't they? It is tough to talk as much ***** as they did, for 6-9 months, and then be SO SO wrong. - 2trkpony, on 03/07/2008, -7/+12"blown a gasket"
"1000 lines"
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Hardly. My you're a glutton for cut-rate exaggeration. I realize anything over a 1 line sarcastic mock-retort is challenging for you..being of short attention span MTV generation & all..
The consensus of that thread was, you got owned BIG time. If you would have read past the first paragraph, you would have clearly realized this. As everyone else who read & commented did. Too bad.
Must be pretty embarrassing for you, the ad hominem insult imbecile who lives on Digg to discredit Ron Paul. Which explains why you're still whining about it here as your platform for attempted smear upon me once again.
"I think it's starting to sink in that their life's goal has basically been ruined."
Project much? You must feel empty inside at the thought of what you are going to do with YOUR "life' once this Ron Paul stuff blows over. It's one less topic to occupy your life on Digg 24/7 at any rate. Perhaps you can take up infiltrating iPod threads to fill the void ? - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -7/+10"Eat a bag of *****, you blue ball bitch. We all know you would crawl through a mile of AJ's *****, just to hear the sound of his piss hitting the toilet over a phone."
It's so hard to believe you're over 20, man...let alone pushing the big five Oh - Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -7/+9You bashers are just vile.
Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. - Matthew 12:34 - Herkimer56, on 03/07/2008, -9/+11Did you ever manage to work out a cogent explanation for how the WTC was a controlled demolition without the use of explosives, Liar? I've been asking you for a week now and for some reason you keep dodging the question. Why is that?
- Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -5/+7We've already answered you on numerous occasions Jerky, do you have brain damage or something? Or perhaps it's Alzheimer's, you are getting up there in age. You're the one that keeps changing conspiracy theories. First it was fire, then fire and debris, then diesel fuel, then supports that magically disappeared, and now it fell down in stages over time. You see, only a fool can't look at building 7 and know that it was imploded, and you sir are a fool.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P-uWyjwHY7g - Herkimer56, on 03/07/2008, -8/+6I've never, ever changed my opinion of what happened to WTC7, Liar. I studied the facts and the various reports that I could find and drew my conclusions from information that could be verified from different sources. You, on the other hand, have clearly not studied anything and you're just parroting what you read on some web site. I've asked you to provide the evidence which caused you to believe that WTC7 was a controlled demolition and all you can provide are truther videos which claim that because the building looked like a controlled demolition it must have been a controlled demolition. Do you realize how weak that is? You provide absolutely nothing to back up your ludicrous claim and then attack me for trying to keep you honest. I guess you have no interest in being honest. Hardly surprising.
Now where's your evidence of explosives, Liar? - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -3/+6"I've never, ever changed my opinion of what happened to WTC7, Liar. I studied the facts and the various reports that I could find and drew my conclusions from information that could be verified from different sources. You, on the other hand, have clearly not studied anything and you're just parroting what you read on some web site."
Where'd you get the information, Herky? From a website? You wouldn't happen to be "parroting" it, would you?
Herky if you haven't seen the evidence by now...why are you here? You know everything is OK and that the government loves you...stop trying to change other people's way of thinking.
Get a life, old man. - Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -3/+6"Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
Jerky's becoming a broken record. "NANI NANI!!! I know you are but what am I?"
You'd think he was 12, not 50 or whatever.
- onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -13/+13Nice, you just made me spit a little bit of my coffee out onto my desk.
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -11/+13Woo!!! Bohemian is blowing a serious gasket! Don't be putting down his preacher!
- 2trkpony, on 03/07/2008, -8/+13How can anyone listen to Dick Cheney or George Bush speak and think they are out for anything besides massive profit$ from endless wars, destroying entire civilizations overseas so Halliburton/KBR can swoop in to 'rebuild' the infrastructure on no-bid cost plus government contracts, destruction of the American Constitution, a police/surveillance state in U.S., wasting away our privacy rights & civil liberties, seizing the oil fields overseas in order to institute an economic presence, and dividing up the Iraq region so domination of the oil can be maintained, continual profits reaped for the defense contractors & military industrial complex, and most importantly, permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil-bearing non-conforming countries such as Iran and Syria.
Alex Jones clearly is not the problem here. Except for military shills wishing to distract us from the real issues. Alex Jones didn't lie to trick & deceive an entire nation into horrific war & killing massacres overseas. He doesn't have blood on his hands from war fraud and senseless, brutal slaughter of 100s of 1000s of innocent Afghanistan & Iraq civilians. Alex didn't force us into war against a sovereign nation that had NO proven connections to 9/11. You truly have demonstrated a grossly misplaced sense of priorities there, john. You ought to pull your head out of your government crime syndicate cult for a moment, take a look around you to examine the truly unreasonable, arrogant SOB's ***** the great nation America & her citizens for all they're worth.- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -13/+11Why do you people keep bringing up no connections to 9/11 when talking about the Iraq war, cheaptrick?
- 2trkpony, on 03/07/2008, -6/+11Buried as inaccurate.
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -13/+11So you're not going to bother to address my question, cheaptrick? Typical.
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -6/+14jcm and his ilk.... inaccurate and sad little fools who if they aren't getting paid by the corrupt special interests they defend, then they are complete suckers and morons with no individuality.
I would have a tiny bit more respect for them if they were getting paid to lie and ridicule truthseekers. - jacklikesgirls, on 03/07/2008, -6/+9I must have angered one of them. It can't even spell my screen name correctly anymore and has chosen to 'ridicule' that as a desperate last-grab mock attempt. Too bad. Suddenly, it became illiterate.
If they could only be bothered to think, let alone type a few keyword searches into Google, the ilk would have their 'questions' answered immediately. However, the mission is not to dialog, seek information or sincere answers, but instead to bait. Then (ab)use said answers, commentary & response as their platform for ad-hominem personal assault, name-calling, diversion tactic and mock ridicule. When they're not "burying as spam" and re-visiting the same comment section moments later to dump their usual squirrel bait. Their motives are not sincere. Transparent smear campaign if there ever was. - 2trkpony, on 03/07/2008, -6/+8ok 'jack' ? that was funny. Was that supposed to be me? or.. Because you're doing a pretty close imitation. I'm flattered! Couldn't have said it better myself though...even if it was intended sarcasm. Rock on'
- jacklikesgirls, on 03/07/2008, -6/+5Just playin with ya :) No harm meant or intended. I actually dugg what you wrote above ^ Why not just ignore the instigators?
- Hortnon, on 03/07/2008, -11/+12My, that's a spot-on "impression"...
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -12/+11Yeah, I thought the same thing Hortnon. Cheaptrick is using cheap tricks to spam digg, and ***** up while doing so. Pathetic.
- 2trkpony, on 03/07/2008, -6/+10Wrong as usual. This is my only account. I'm not privy to that B.S. as you. It's probably some denier at "work'. Perhaps someone you know? Weird this 'jack' character came about shortly after you suddenly became mentally-challenged enough to purposely mis-spell my user-name.. I must have really got under your somewhere along the way here, eh joe? Anything to ***** with other people you hate right. Typical.
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -11/+9And now turn it around on me? That little exchange between cheaptrick and jacklikesgirls came off as a pretty lame *****/coverup. And what's your first name, cheaptrick? You like to refer to us by our first names, and you even went out of your way to find out Herkimer's name. I think it's only fair if we know your first name. And if you click on jack's profile it's clear that that account was created on February 24, over a week before I started calling you cheaptrick.
- 2trkpony, on 03/08/2008, -2/+8'And now turn it around on me? '
You're the one falsely accusing me of 'using 'cheap tricks' to spam Digg' so you can feel better about yourself by smearing me, jcm267. Typical mud-sling B.S. you have experimented with in too many other threads. You are certainly not beneath creating an account like this, given your past behavior towards those you hate & do not understand.
'That little exchange between cheaptrick and jacklikesgirls came off as a pretty lame *****/coverup.'
Huh? Whatever. You say similar about everything else I post. What's new. Now you are using a trivial exchange between myself and some other character as your opportunity for further spin and mockery of me. It's funny you use the word 'coverup', when you completely fail to discern the meaning of the term relative to U.S. government coverup in a given pretext. Yet to you, I am somehow 'covering up' in a little exchange between another person. Too funny. You have demonstrated that you don't recognize a *REAL* coverup when you see one - such as your governments countless criminal cover-ups throughout history - so your outlandish allegations of 'coverup' against me do not hold any weight whatsoever. Realize this. I have no idea who this 'jack' is. It was obvious they were being smartass by posting in place of me. What the ***** would be the point of me submitting response directed at you from another account?? ***** don't make sense. I don't play such games. This is yet another opportunity for you to 'get revenge' against someone who disagrees with you. You saw an opening and pounced on it, immediately.
..How do we know you and Hortnon are not the same account? You both magically appear within the same exact threads (that you've previously "buried"..) at nearly the same time parroting almost the exact same rhetoric word-for-word.
"you even went out of your way to find out Herkimer's name."
Hardly. What do you care about 'Herkimer's name' for? You are so anxious to defend him. Is he your supervisor?
"I think it's only fair if we know your first name."
You, lecturing me on "fair" ? Get real. I think it's only fair you stop making false accusations & insinuations on me. That would be a good start. You can't bring yourself to spell my screen name correctly anymore and you have chosen that as your new target for desperate last-grab humiliation. When all else fails, slander the screename right? That will get them! Pathetic..
"And if you click on jack's profile it's clear that that account was created on February 24, over a week before I started calling you cheaptrick."
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The account creation date is irrelevant.
It's remarkable how downright critical, doubting and suspicious you are toward some stranger on the Internet you've never met, but your government gets a free pass and would NEVER suffer such intense scrutiny & hypercritical dissection from you, ever. You'd never question the administration, politicians, or congress like your Digg scapegoats you viciously oppose. You turn a blind eye to government actions & motive, yet rake me over the coals over a mere exchange, accusing whatever you please, insinuating B.S. at every turn whenever it best suits you. It's too bad you cannot devote some of this fault-finding, 'critical judgment' trait you possess towards those mercenary who run the world. You might even begin to see things for what they really are. - jcm267, on 03/08/2008, -8/+6“You're the one falsely accusing me of 'using 'cheap tricks' to spam Digg' so you can feel better about yourself by smearing me, jcm267. Typical mud-sling B.S. you have experimented with in too many other threads. You are certainly not beneath creating an account like this, given your past behavior towards those you hate & do not understand.”
- Using your own truther tactic here against you, I am putting the onus on YOU to prove that you aren’t also jacklikesgirls. And I don’t smear you, cheaptrick. I don’t hate you, cheaptrick. I fully understand that you are a delusional truther, cheaptrick.
“It's funny you use the word 'coverup', when you completely fail to discern the meaning of the term relative to U.S. government coverup in a given pretext.”
- I have just as much proof of you covering up this fake account business as you have proof of a 9/11 cover up.
“Realize this. I have no idea who this 'jack' is. It was obvious they were being smartass by posting in place of me. What the ***** would be the point of me submitting response directed at you from another account?? ***** don't make sense. I don't play such games. This is yet another opportunity for you to 'get revenge' against someone who disagrees with you. You saw an opening and pounced on it, immediately.”
- Actually, this whole “jack” nonsense looks like you forgot to log out of that account and log back into your cheaptrick account.
“..How do we know you and Hortnon are not the same account? You both magically appear within the same exact threads (that you've previously "buried"..) at nearly the same time parroting almost the exact same rhetoric word-for-word.”
- Well Hortnon and I are on each others friends lists on digg, and communicate via AIM. And BTW, I encourage you to hire a professional to analyze our writing styles.
“Hardly. What do you care about 'Herkimer's name' for? You are so anxious to defend him. Is he your supervisor?”
- My quarterly bonus is based on the performance reviews that he writes.
“You, lecturing me on "fair" ? Get real. I think it's only fair you stop making false accusations & - insinuations on me. That would be a good start.”
- Cheaptrick, I have been fair. How many times have I kindly asked you for evidence to back up your wacky assertions??!??!?! BTW, have you found any evidence yet?
“You can't bring yourself to spell my screen name correctly anymore and you have chosen that as your new target for desperate last-grab humiliation. When all else fails, slander the screename right? That will get them! Pathetic.”
- You try too hard, cheaptrick.
“The account creation date is irrelevant.”
- It’s relevant to what you said about me in your previous post, cheaptrick. What you said is “Weird this 'jack' character came about shortly after you suddenly became mentally-challenged enough to purposely mis-spell my user-name..”
“You turn a blind eye to government actions & motive, yet rake me over the coals over a mere exchange, accusing whatever you please, insinuating B.S. at every turn whenever it best suits you.”
- Where have I turned a blind-eye to nefarious government actions, cheaptrick? - 2trkpony, on 03/08/2008, -2/+4Wow that was fast! Near immediate-followup. You weren't sitting around here all day, refreshing this thread, patiently waiting for me to comment here so you can swiftly counter it, were you? lol..I just got home from a great gig & I'm tired so I'm gonna make this short.
"I am putting the onus on YOU to prove that you aren’t also jacklikesgirls"
Get a life. Why should I waste my time, jcm267? I don't need to 'prove' anything to you. It's a completely lost cause. You'd never believe me anyway no matter what.
Whatever proof I happen to provide will only be viciously denied, ridiculed, and used as your platform for further ad-hominem assault, going in circles for all of eternity. An endless spitball fight. Who in their right mind wants to put themselves through that headache-inducing B.S. There's no point in trying to convince a person that has their mind already made up. There's no point in trying to prove something to a person when their only motive is to blindly deny & refute any evidence presented, then personally attack the despised opponent at whim when cornered. That is a given.
"And I don’t smear you, cheaptrick"
You just did.
You most certainly do smear.
* Falsely accusing me of having 2 accounts so I can 'spam Digg" when in fact this isn't true, is smear.
* Falsely accusing me of being a 'gay woman' in other threads as attempt to berate me & divert topic, is smear.
* Purposely mis-spelling my user name in effort to mock me is more of the same.
/etc
And that's just a few examples.
"I don’t hate you, cheaptrick."
You sure have a warped way of showing it, joe.
"I fully understand that you are a delusional truther, cheaptrick. "
You obviously do not understand. That proves it.
"- I have just as much proof of you covering up this fake account business as you have proof of a 9/11 cover up"
There is indeed proof of government 9-11 coverup. Any 10 year old could realize this reality. You'd have to be foolish not to see it, or paid to post propaganda. The former director of the FBI even admitted there was cover up by the 9/11 Commission. This is all public record. The fact Dick & Bush refused to testify under oath before the Commission, blocked transcripts, denied entrance to 9-11 victims families presence during questioning sessions, the completely evasive behavior by the administration indicates coverup. Withholding crucial evidence and evasive, deceptive actions on behalf of these officials is sure sign of coverup in any event. Otherwise they would be open instead of secretive. They would be honest & up front instead of stonewalling & intangible. They would willfully release information instead of vehemently blocking & subverting it at every turn. We've been here before, many times. You claim to have 'done research', yet strangely cannot discover any of this on your own? Odd to say the least. Your mission here is to refute and deny ALL contradictory proof to your government 9/11 story, again and again over and over like a broken record. To think you would EVER acknowledge govt. wrongdoing is truly laughable. That's not gonna happen is it jcm267. Get real.
Questioning our government is part of what it means to be a real American citizen and to love your country. America was founded on dissent and seeking the truth. People who question 9/11 are patriots who love their country, not the other way around as Dick Cheney orders you to believe.
"Actually, this whole “jack” nonsense looks like you forgot to log out of that account and log back into your cheaptrick account."
?
Actually, that is your assumption. Again, you use this "jack 'incident' to falsely accuse me of your fabricated scenarios and assumed situation. Something else for you to re-frame and hold against me. It looks like you will pick and choose whatever you please and long as it suits your motive to discredit, ridicule and smear your opponent. Whatever fits the plan right.
"- Well Hortnon and I are on each others friends lists on digg, and communicate via AIM."
That explains a lot...
"I encourage you to hire a professional to analyze our writing styles. "
Why on earth should I waste time and money on that? There are much more important things in life. Like you or he would ever submit to it in the first place. You'd find a way to deny & back out of that as well.
"Cheaptrick, I have been fair."
That explains why you have taken it upon yourself to purposely miss-spell my Digg screen name as your method to 'get even' right... Can you look in the mirror, look yourself in the eye and truthfully say you've been fair? Not only towards myself, but others you despise and make fun of out of spite..
"How many times have I kindly asked you for evidence to back up your wacky assertions??!??!?!"
"kindly"
????
..That's a joke right? Levity time for jcm267!
How many times have I provided you countless links to evidence only to have it ridiculed, mocked, denied (of course), personally assaulted, hit & run, "buried as spam" "buried as inaccurate" smeared (in attempt to divert topic), ad-hom'd, and so on, each and every single time bar none by you & likewise bury posse' cohorts ? along with a side-order of derision & contempt each time. You have proven you motive here is not to dialog, but instead satirize & distract.
Admit it jcm267, you would ******************NEVER**************** ever acknowledge any evidence whatsoever that even slightly contradicts your sacred U.S. government 9/11 fable you so religiously defend, prop up and run interference for on a daily basis.
I could show you written, signed paperwork of Bush authorizing ISI to fund & train state sponsored terrorists to carry out 9/11 and provide documented proof of Mos-sad involvement in a videotaped confession involving high-ranking members of the U.S. government. You would ***STILL*** find a way to deny, deny and smear it, make fun of the source, ridicule as "not credible", claim it 'never happened' assert was 'forged', ad nauseum. Over & over again. You'd say that's 'not sufficient proof', ask 'where is the evidence?" and rudely demand more, more proof only to have IT again denied, wash / rinse / repeat to the point of insanity.
Come clean. It's not your 'mission' here, is it, to ever give credibility to any of my evidence whatsoever, much less accept or agree on anything that disputes the government 9/11 plot. Be honest.
'It’s relevant to what you said about me in your previous post, cheaptrick.'
More 'fairness' in action we see, mutilating my screen name for your benefit..How quaint.
Spin all you want, the account creation date of this 'jacklikesgirls' asshat has little to do as to when you decided to mock my screen name out of context. It could have been created beforehand, and called into play when needed. If this 'jack' character could be bothered to respond here? perhaps we could clear some of this dumb B.S. up. How about it, jack?
"Where have I turned a blind-eye to nefarious government actions, cheaptrick?"
Where have you NOT is a more appropriate question, joecm267. - 2trkpony, on 03/08/2008, -2/+2e-mail sent to abuse@digg.com 3/8/2008:
"Digg Abuse Team:
I have discovered an individual by the screen name of 'jacklikesgirls' mock-responding to a thread in place of myself and posting follow-up commentary in attempt to "imitate" me within the comment section here:
http://digg.com/politics/Breathtaking_Video_of_Ale ...
The similarity to my usual prose & 'writing style is evident.
I realize it sounds ridiculous, but that is the situation. I feel this individual is doing so maliciously and will continue to demonstrate such behavior unless prevented. This is direct violation of Digg Terms of Use Section 5 User Conduct, Article 1.
Can you please investigate and take appropriate actions necessary to reprimand? I do not wish for this person to continue to mock-emulate me on Digg forums. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Sincerely, "
'jacklikesgirls', do you have anything to say for yourself before Digg gets involved? - jcm267, on 03/08/2008, -5/+5You really are taking this too seriously. I firmly believe that you didn't send that email out, and that you are in fact jakelikesgirls.
- jcm267, on 03/08/2008, -5/+3And just for kicks I went ahead and responded to that other post of yours.
“Wow that was fast! Near immediate-followup. You weren't sitting around here all day, refreshing this thread, patiently waiting for me to comment here so you can swiftly counter it, were you? lol..I just got home from a great gig & I'm tired so I'm gonna make this short.”
- No I was at work and I think that I had just gotten back from a call and refreshed that page. It was a coincidence.
”Get a life. Why should I waste my time, jcm267? I don't need to 'prove' anything to you. It's a completely lost cause. You'd never believe me anyway no matter what.”
- So you are saying that you don’t have any evidence to prove that you aren’t “jakeslikesgirls”???? hmmmmmm……..
“There's no point in trying to convince a person that has their mind already made up. There's no point in trying to prove something to a person when their only motive is to blindly deny & refute any evidence presented, then personally attack the despised opponent at whim when cornered. That is a given.”
- Yeah. That’s the way that I feel when I try to convince truthers such as yourself that you are wrong, cheaptrick. No matter how much evidence I present, no matter how much I prove their theories to be wrong, and no matter how much the troofers fail to provide any evidence they STILL believe in their stupid theories.
”You most certainly do smear.
* Falsely accusing me of having 2 accounts so I can 'spam Digg" when in fact this isn't true, is smear.
* Falsely accusing me of being a 'gay woman' in other threads as attempt to berate me & divert topic, is smear.
* Purposely mis-spelling my user name in effort to mock me is more of the same.”
- Look, by your own truther logic you are guilty until proven innocent. Now please prove that you do not have multiple accounts, cheaptrick. And I wasn’t falsely accusing you of anything. I saw you say “girlfriend” and wondered what you meant by it. And the only reason that I care is because you, as a Ron Paul supporter, has to be a complete idiot to support Ron Paul if you are gay. And how am I misspelling your name, cheaptrick? You won’t tell me what it is.
”There is indeed proof of government 9-11 coverup. Any 10 year old could realize this reality. You'd have to be foolish not to see it, or paid to post propaganda. The former director of the FBI even admitted there was cover up by the 9/11 Commission. This is all public record. The fact Dick & Bush refused to testify under oath before the Commission, blocked transcripts, denied entrance to 9-11 victims families presence during questioning sessions, the completely evasive behavior by the administration indicates coverup.”
- So if there is a coverup then surely there must be holes in the story. Please show me some credible evidence that proves their story to be wrong.
“Questioning our government is part of what it means to be a real American citizen and to love your country. America was founded on dissent and seeking the truth. People who question 9/11 are patriots who love their country, not the other way around as Dick Cheney orders you to believe.”
- But the problem is that these “patriots” have NO EVIDENCE on their side. It’s one thing to question your government, but to accuse people of heinous crimes with NO EVIDENCE in a time of war is bordering on treason.
”Actually, that is your assumption. Again, you use this "jack 'incident' to falsely accuse me of your fabricated scenarios and assumed situation. Something else for you to re-frame and hold against me. It looks like you will pick and choose whatever you please and long as it suits your motive to discredit, ridicule and smear your opponent. Whatever fits the plan right.”
- Prove that you aren’t jacklikesgirls and I will drop it, cheaptrick.
”That explains why you have taken it upon yourself to purposely miss-spell my Digg screen name as your method to 'get even' right... Can you look in the mirror, look yourself in the eye and truthfully say you've been fair? Not only towards myself, but others you despise and make fun of out of spite..”
- I hope that you have never called me a name or dugg up someone who called me a name like “jocko”. That would make you a hypocrite, cheaptrick.
”How many times have I provided you countless links to evidence only to have it ridiculed, mocked, denied (of course), personally assaulted, hit & run, "buried as spam" "buried as inaccurate" smeared (in attempt to divert topic), ad-hom'd, and so on, each and every single time bar none by you & likewise bury posse' cohorts ? along with a side-order of derision & contempt each time. You have proven you motive here is not to dialog, but instead satirize & distract.”
- You have not once posted credible, verifiable evidence to support your claims about 9/11. If you have this evidence please post it now.
”Admit it jcm267, you would ******************NEVER**************** ever acknowledge any evidence whatsoever that even slightly contradicts your sacred U.S. government 9/11 fable you so religiously defend, prop up and run interference for on a daily basis. “
- I hate the government. I would not put it past the government to use false-flag terror.
”I could show you written, signed paperwork of Bush authorizing ISI to fund & train state sponsored terrorists to carry out 9/11 and provide documented proof of Mos-sad involvement in a videotaped confession involving high-ranking members of the U.S. government. You would ***STILL*** find a way to deny, deny and smear it, make fun of the source, ridicule as "not credible", claim it 'never happened' assert was 'forged', ad nauseum.”
- You don’t have this paperwork. - rexblade, on 03/08/2008, -2/+6http://digg.com/users/jcm267 10,000 + comments since January 07 accusing people of trolling.... ? Lol I R O N Y ?
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -13/+11Why do you people keep bringing up no connections to 9/11 when talking about the Iraq war, cheaptrick?
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -8/+13how do you live with yourself you filthy pig ass piece of ***** lying bootlicker?
- Einherar, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Buried, troll comments not welcome.
- Hortnon, on 03/06/2008, -17/+13Do you people watch this video and think "This man is a reasonable human being, just like any of us?"
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -19/+11Buried.
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -7/+9buried because why? because Alex described you filthy little evil scum accurately? c'mon bitch admit it! Yes its true what Alex says, your actions prove it!!! Murderers! Psychopaths!
- inobla, on 03/07/2008, -12/+11Naaah. Buried because Alex Jones is a deceptive lying jackass who spreads nonsense like it's gospel. I have yet to hear him describe jack ***** accurately. Folks who don't buy his rhetoric are murderous psychopaths huh? Classic...no....textbook Truther logic.
"buried because why? because Alex described you filthy little evil scum accurately? c'mon bitch admit it! Yes its true what Alex says, your actions prove it!!! Murderers! Psychopaths!"
I got two new TroofComment hall of fame additions in just 24 hours! Major score!- bamapachyderm, on 03/07/2008, -6/+8Both from bohemianowl in this thread, I assume?
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -7/+9buried because why? because Alex described you filthy little evil scum accurately? c'mon bitch admit it! Yes its true what Alex says, your actions prove it!!! Murderers! Psychopaths!
- Herkimer56, on 03/07/2008, -18/+16It's breathtaking all right. I laughed until I couldn't breathe. Alex Jones is a psycho boy.
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -7/+15keep laughing. you trolls are lame.
- theblueprint, on 03/07/2008, -8/+12Even in a land made of cheese where we're "lame", we're still not wrong.
Stings, doesn't it?- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -6/+7prove it lame ass.
- inobla, on 03/08/2008, -4/+3Actually, we're still waiting for you to prove it.
- theblueprint, on 03/07/2008, -8/+12Even in a land made of cheese where we're "lame", we're still not wrong.
- Einherar, on 03/10/2008, -0/+2Buried, troll comments not welcome.
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -7/+15keep laughing. you trolls are lame.
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -15/+15I tried really hard to watch the whole thing. I really did. The eye getting Illuminati stabbed at one minute in started the downward spiral of laughter. Then AJ comes on the screen, messiah like, saying "I am but one man" in classic bad actor. The Universe going by while he crappy acted crushed me with laughter less than 3 minutes in.
I cannot believe you guys buy his crap. It is really amazing. You can't see how obvious he is with his revival tent tactics? This vid could be used as a training vid for how to dupe people via the internet, rather than tents traveling the country. He is just an old time preacher, and you are his poor, miserable followers.
Come to the altar. He will cleanse you...- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -10/+13You really need to make it to after 7:30. It's worth it!
- Einherar, on 03/10/2008, -2/+1Buried, troll comments not welcome.
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -10/+10jealousy? 50 year old man upset he'll never be known for anything but his obscene amount of Digg time spent yelling at other people for not following his belief system.
Jealousy's a bitch.- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -9/+13What do you think that you will be known for? Being the bestest damn secretary in Seattle?
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 03/07/2008, -5/+10The coffee he makes (when not doing a kick ass job answering phones) is the best because he uses unfluoridated water.
- onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -9/+11jcm, he's only a secretary by day. By night... and again during the day, he is first and foremost an "info-warrior" (his term, not mine. He really said this) fighting the "infowar"
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -8/+8"What do you think that you will be known for? Being the bestest damn secretary in Seattle?"
Hey...if I was a secretary I wouldn't mind being the best ;) nothing wrong with that.
"jcm, he's only a secretary by day. By night... and again during the day, he is first and foremost an "info-warrior" (his term, not mine. He really said this) fighting the "infowar""
onetimer don't you realize you can't talk when you spend literal hours a day searching Digg for articles to bury and yell at people about? - onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -7/+11"litterally hours a day"? I thought you would have tried to stop sailing that ship, after I repeatedly pointed out that your average posts per day is still larger than mine...
But yes, it must have taken HOURS to write my average 12.7 posts per day. And even if it didn't, Im sure you somehow know my digg browsing habits despite no feasible way of knowing.
In the land of hyperbole... - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -7/+7""litterally hours a day"? I thought you would have tried to stop sailing that ship, after I repeatedly pointed out that your average posts per day is still larger than mine..."
Posts don't equate to time spent...AND I am Digging and reading articles I actually enjoy and want to read...you're doing the exact opposite. In other words, I'm in the library studying literature and having a quiet convo with like-minded peers and you're storming through and laughing at my book selection and throwing mud in my face and screaming "WHY ARE YOU READING THAT BOOK...IT'S A LIE!!!" - onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -7/+12Not my fault I get kicks out of laughing at conspiracy theorists and pointing out the flaws in their logic.
You DID say that you were an "infowarrior" at one point, did you not? I don't feel like searching for it, so i'll take your word for it.
See you guys later, I'm going out to lunch. - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -5/+7"Not my fault I get kicks out of laughing at conspiracy theorists and pointing out the flaws in their logic."
That's fine...so you spend hours "getting a kick". I spend hours while at work researching and discussing. More entertainment for the yuppies, I suppose. As if you don't partake in enough.
"You DID say that you were an "infowarrior" at one point, did you not? I don't feel like searching for it, so i'll take your word for it."
I think I did...either that or fighting the info war. It sounds corny but it's true. - inobla, on 03/08/2008, -4/+8"I spend hours while at work researching and discussing."
Ahh.. So you really are a paid propagandist for infowars. Still spending 90% of your time researching only from sites that agree with your conclusion I see... GJ! Professor Jones is proud I'm sure.- card51short, on 03/10/2008, -1/+2so at least i'm researching...ur running around calling people poo heads for thinking differently than you.
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -9/+13What do you think that you will be known for? Being the bestest damn secretary in Seattle?
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -10/+13You really need to make it to after 7:30. It's worth it!
- GhostyBoy, on 03/07/2008, -6/+19I liked it. I'll be the first to admit that Jones is pretty extreme sometimes, but he has been right about a lot of things, too.
I wouldn't take his words as gospel, but I respect a man who is so passionate about what he believes. He fights for what he thinks is right, and that's pretty cool in my books. And on top of that some dude put some serious work into editing that video. So it can stand as a piece of artwork as well, which is something I appreciate, too.
The same dozen or so guys are all over every article like this, insulting people and putting them down and saying that it's garbage. I mean, really, what is the point of that? You are obviously so heavily biased against anything of this nature that you would not look at it objectively. Not one of you had any kind of praise or critique of the video editing, just the standard smears and unabashed hatred of every single thing like this.
It's just tiring having the same few people who show up just to put truthers down. You don't have to look at articles you don't like, yet you insist on coming to them and straight up spamming the comments with your rhetoric.
Anyway, go ahead and bury and insult me. For the record, I think someone did a pretty cool job of making a hard-hitting little video for something they believed in. I'd like to see anything productive any of you have done for whatever you believe, besides spam insults on digg. Feel free to point it out to me if you have, but I seriously doubt it.
To be honest it actually brings me down that you guys had to ruin this thread.- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -9/+9"To be honest it actually brings me down that you guys had to ruin this thread."
Really? A bunch of trolls flooding every AJ thread before even his fans with such gems as
"Eat a bag of *****, you blue ball bitch. We all know you would crawl through a mile of AJ's *****, just to hear the sound of his piss hitting the toilet over a phone."
Ruins it for you?
But it is just a bunch of civil, rational people adding their 2 cents on the topic!- Observant1, on 03/09/2008, -0/+2dangit card, ya aint dr. dolittle and ya cant talk to the animals, you know em well enough by now lol
- inobla, on 03/08/2008, -5/+8"Anyway, go ahead and bury and insult me."
I actually find myself not digging down many of your comments GhostBoy, because from what I've read you're not the run-of-the-mill Truther. I've seen you call ***** on some of the more distinguishably bogus 911 conspiracy claims and submissions, even while the rest of your peers would staunchly (blindly IMO) defend it. That shows me that you critically filter a lot of the information you get and don't necessarily just except something on faith because you agree with the source or the ultimate conclusion. Though I deeply disagree with a lot of your ideas and opinions, there is definitely some earned respect there. (Your music ain't bad either.)
"I wouldn't take his words as gospel, but I respect a man who is so passionate about what he believes."
I certainly won't lend an ounce of respect to somebody simply on the principle that they're passionate about their believes. I'm sure with zero effort you can think of the same passionate figures (current and historically) that I'm thinking of right now. Sometimes people are passionate about very bad, wrong, or destructive convictions. I *try* to evaluate the content of the message and the motives that drive their passion. If I believe they're disingenuous, self serving, or manipulative, the bottom falls out on my respect level and my feelings turn into complete disdain for the person.
This is exactly how I feel about Alex Jones, and I have no problem speaking out about it.- GhostyBoy, on 03/08/2008, -1/+9That I can respect, man.
I think there are many people on both sides of this debate who tend to insult each other and just digg up whatever side they are on regardless of the substance of what is being said. I have definitely witnessed truthers on this board being insulting and belligerent, or making unfounded accusations or assumptions. I won't digg those on the basis that it simply isn't productive discourse. I have also read debunker comments that are absolutely hilarious making fun of truthers, and I digg them for humor. I can take a joke.
Many of the truthers don't help to move us closer to a new investigation. If you are being insulting and screaming about NWO and CFR and Inside Job, people will shut down and they won't listen to what you are saying. Trust me, I learned this the hard way by sounding like an ***** until I realized it wasn't helping anything.
If we present the arguments in the most logical way possible, at very least we can have a respectable conversation. And lots of the attacks can even be funny as well. But when it comes down to spamming the most comments and straight up insults constantly we aren't making any progress.
Also, your comment about people being passionate is absolutely correct as well. Now that I think about it, I'm sure that the armies of the crusades were passionate about their faith, but that doesn't make it right.
Thanks for your comment, though man. Obviously you are intelligent and have thought out your position on the matter. Oh and I'm glad you liked the tunes, too. Peace.- Groovemaster, on 03/08/2008, -6/+8"Many of the truthers don't help to move us closer to a new investigation."
If you genuinely think there's even the remotest chance in hell that there'll ever be an official independent investigation, I advise you with the greatest of respect to give up hope.
It took a year of pressure for the 9/11 Whitewash Commission to begin their coverup posing as an investigation, and if you're still clinging to the hope that the the gang of criminals in Washington will allow a new investigation, you're heading for a world of disappointment.
Just be content with the fact that you know the official story is a clear, blatant and obvious lie, and keep your eye on the liars and their actions. Put your personal integrity first, and everything else last. The most effective thing you can do to change a political system of corruption and greed that's so overwhelming it defines the entire culture of the USA, is to spread awareness.
A system that has no legitimacy and no support will collapse without need of intervention.- inobla, on 03/08/2008, -7/+8Did you cut and paste that right out of Alex's blog or what?
- Herkimer56, on 03/08/2008, -7/+8That would be SOP for members of the Cult of 9/11.
- Groovemaster, on 03/08/2008, -5/+5Which part did you disagree with inobla? The part where I said there's no chance whatsoever of a truly independent official investigation or the part where I said the official story is a clear, blatant and obvious lie?
If you disagree with me, say why instead of panicking and comparing me to Alex Jones (who I personally believe is in the business of making people who discuss obvious corruption in their government look like overzealous fringe lunatics). - inobla, on 03/08/2008, -6/+6"Which part did you disagree with inobla?"
The part between the first letter and the last period. - ssn697, on 03/08/2008, -6/+6"The part between the first letter and the last period."
Now THAT was quality! - Groovemaster, on 03/08/2008, -4/+6So you disagree with the entire post? OK.
Can you now explain why you think there is a chance of a new investigation and why you believe the official story is true? - Herkimer56, on 03/08/2008, -6/+6Can you explain why the official story isn't true? Can you explain why we need another independent investigation on top of the hundreds that we've already had?
- BenMuldowney74, on 03/08/2008, -4/+5herkle wants this whole thing to just go away.. and fast. she doesn't like where the truth leads to. i don't blame the little sissy.. she should be skeered!
- inobla, on 03/08/2008, -5/+7I suppose it depends on how you define new investigation. Every time another group of civil engineering professors, fire science experts, or university structural engineering departments release a new peer reviewed paper that doesn't support your conspiracy claims you dismiss it. That shows me that your definition of "new independent investigation" means only something that agrees with you...
That being the case, I guess you're right. Don't expect a new investigation.
Why do I believe the official story is true? One big reason is I've never seen *any* scientific research or analysis come from you guys that isn't outright refuted by **numerous**, better qualified experts in the field. Everything I've seen from the "official explanation" side sounds exponentially more plausible than the speculations frequently touted by truthers as "fact". So until you can come up with something better, I'm not going to buy into your rhetoric.
Your evidence is poor at best, most of your experts are highly questionable (in motive, qualification, or both), and your propaganda is so full of wrong and deceptive information I don't even know where to start.
You point me to the De facto qualified scientist or engineer that supports your conclusion, and I'll point you to one who's significantly better qualified on the subject who refutes your claims... and if you say Steven Jones is your man I'm going to fall out of my chair laughing.
Have a good day, Groovy! - Herkimer56, on 03/08/2008, -6/+6Thanks for totally failing to answer my questions, Benny. You people keep saying that the official story isn't true but you've provided exactly zero credible evidence to support your claims. Making dumb-ass statements like you do just reinforces your epic failure.
- BenMuldowney74, on 03/09/2008, -5/+5i didn't fail to answer your question. i ignored it... it is ridiculous. you want to debate 9/11 with me? you would fail you little herkle.
- inobla, on 03/09/2008, -5/+7"you want to debate 9/11 with me? you would fail you little herkle."
Only if the debate is being judged by a panel of truthers. - insane11, on 03/09/2008, -6/+7Truthers ignoring requests to provide evidence? Shocking.
- Herkimer56, on 03/09/2008, -5/+5Poor little Benny has lost his mind. You've got nothing to debate with, Benny. If you know so damn much why do you never answer questions or provide evidence? All you do is make stupid comments and try to annoy people. Well, Benny, I have a two year old great-nephew so I'm used to dealing with people with your emotional maturity and intellectual capacity. Of course his capacity is still growing while yours is obviously in a serious decline.
- inobla, on 03/08/2008, -4/+10Yes, I think most people on both sides of the debate primarily communicate by trading insults...especially on forums like digg. I'm definitely a troll for the opposing team. I won't deny that. :)
I do try to throw some decently thought out and referenced comments in there between troll sessions. Of the people on here who agree with my views on the subject, before I add them as friends, I read their posts for a while to make sure they also periodically make an effort to add some good detailed comments between the flaming and trolling...but there are some folks on here who completely oppose the conspiracy theories who I won't bother to befriend because I've never seen them contribute anything substantial....well...that and their insults aren't very funny. :)
I know with my statements I often generalize all "truthers" together into one category. While I honestly feel that at least 80% on here fit the stereotype I'm targeting (including Alex Jones), I sometimes forget (or just ignore) that the other 20% do not... of course, those statistics are based on my own personal bias.
At some point, if you haven't already, you're likely to see some fairly insulting hyper-generalized comments from me about "Truthers"... Just so you know I don't mean them toward you personally,...but I do have some major qualms toward the 9/11 truth movement in general....and especially the information from propaganda sources like Jones, loosechange, prisonplanet, infowars, John Conner, etc.. and of course the 80+% who I honestly believe have never seriously researched anything from a source that didn't agree with the conspiracy.
Despite heavily established bias on the subject, I do read and watch all the submissions on both sides before I digg or bury them,...but it's almost a guarantee that if the article supports the conspiracy claims I'm going to bury it and go plant my flag in the comment section. But once in a while I'll read a truther article that I feel was fairly well thought out and not loaded with the kind of content I'm used to seeing..and though I still disagree with the article, I probably won't bury it unless I hate the submitter or the host site. On the other side, sometimes I see an article opposing the conspiracy theory, but the information in it is garbage or it's loaded with ubbr politically motivated rhetoric that's too full of ***** to swallow so I'll bury it. But typically yes, 9 out of 10 times I digg my side and bury the other.
I think my digg truth movement boycotting was firmly seeded after seeing a detailed WTC structural collapse and seismic analysis paper below get buried off the front page by truthers in just 10 minutes....that and stumbling upon a comment from Groovemaster over a year ago that reminded me why I hate most truthers. :D
Oh! Actually I wasn't even thinking of the crusades when I posted that...but that's an absolute perfect example!- GhostyBoy, on 03/09/2008, -0/+6I'll be the first to admit that there are some pretty crazy folks within the 9/11 truth movement.
I went to a 9/11 truth meeting where I live and some guy stood up and just started randomly yelling some ridiculous ***** about how there was some unseen force pushing the towers down...I forget cause it actually was insane and he has ranting like a fool. It pissed me off. It wasn't civil at all.
But let's just take this video for instance. Jones is going off the handle about fluoride in the water supply. I'm sitting here like "wow, he's losing it!", but my buddies were in the room and they were like "that is kind of an appropriate response, that ***** is dangerous."
So I googled it, and read a little bit about it. Lo and behold, there were several studies saying that yes, there is fluoride in the water in a lot of large cities and it has been linked to bone cancer and brain damage. I'm not going to take that as indisputable proof that the "elites" put it there to dumb us down or whatever, but I did learn something. So to me, if you are willing to do your own research and try to get rid of the spin then you can find merit in his work.
Or take Ron Paul. I like him (I like Kucinich way better, for the record). He talks about the constitution and bringing *all* the U.S. troops home from all over the world. Sounds pretty good to me. But a couple of days ago I go to dailypaul and there are a bunch of people being like "Don't listen to the MSM, Ron Paul can still win this." Then they go on to do some really crazy delegate mathematics to prove it, and I'm thinking "dude, you are in serious denial here. The campaign is over, he didn't win. There is a more productive use of your energy besides making up delusions about it.
Believe me, seeing the stuff some of these dudes say has made me question my own sanity. Are these the people who I share my views with? Is there something wrong with me? But then there will be dudes like David Ray Griffin, who uses what I consider fairly sound logic, or the 9/11 widows who have been ignored in their criticisms of the investigation and I realize that crazy people attaching themselves to something isn't evidence that it is wrong. If some fan is acting like an idiot at a rock concert, that doesn't mean the band sucks.
Do you have a link to the analysis paper? I would actually like to check that out.
I don't know what Groovemaster said that pissed you off, but I will say that I agree with him a lot of the time, except that I try to pull my punches more often in the hopes of getting my point across.
I would like to draw the distinction between faith that incites hatred and violence and that which is just misguided. Jones has never advocated violence, and neither does the vast majority of the truth movement. - inobla, on 03/09/2008, -2/+3"If some fan is acting like an idiot at a rock concert, that doesn't mean the band sucks."
That is a very good analogy. Though I still don't care for the band, I can't definitely understand how you'd be really frustrated by the quantity of truthers who's comments and actions score big negative points for your image and cause. Fortunately though, violence is about the last thing I'm concerned about, even from the crazies.
That analysis paper I mentioned was done buy this gentleman and four of his colleagues.
http://snipurl.com/21bhq
.pdf link to paper:
http://snipurl.com/21a28
If you look at his research credentials might see why I appraise a lot move value to his professional opinion over folks like David Griffin, Steven Jones, and Jeff King...all of which are certainly intelligent and highly educated men, but I think they've stretched *way* out of their fields of expertise with their claims.
If somebody like the MIT Materials Engineering professor Thomas Eagar wrote a paper refuting Steven Jones' research on catalyzed fusion... he'd better make a *DAMN* good case in order to avoid being ridiculed by nuclear science academic groups everywhere. I imagine MIT would not be too pleased either, especially if he published it without first consulting with their physics department.
Regarding the fluoride, Alex Jones may very well be right as far as I know. I've never looked into the subject. I know I'd rather not drink it, but I doubt my IQ has diminished by several points from tap water... but, who knows? Definitely not me. :) After hearing Alex on a lot of other subjects, my knee-jerk bias impels me to immediately assume it's false. I know that's not the open-minded approach, but my distrust for Jones is pretty well set in concrete at this point. - inobla, on 03/09/2008, -2/+2*****... "CAN definitely understand how you'd be really frustrated" is what I meant to say above. I hate making dumb typos that cause my statements sound opposite to what I mean.
- GhostyBoy, on 03/09/2008, -0/+6I'll be the first to admit that there are some pretty crazy folks within the 9/11 truth movement.
- ssn697, on 03/08/2008, -4/+10My frustration comes from posting clear rebuttals, with facts, with data, and having it ignored by the VERY large majority of the "truthers", who initially say they just want to "ask questions".
I stopped reading and responding to 9/11 inside job posts for quite a while. I have serious reservations about how the government handled the data they had before the attacks. I have serious questions about the air quality at ground zero. I have serious questions about how unprepared we were.
I also believe it is tremendously clear planes, fires, and structural damage brought down the toewers. Time and again, the "truthers" who believe explosives were used have posted edited videos, half quotes, quotes taken out of context, videos with sound effects added, etc. EVERY TIME I post the full video, full quote, video without the phony sound effects, these same people don't say "now that you show the entire thing, yeah, I was wrong". Nope. They run off, change the subject, move on to some other half-truth.
That is where the frustration comes in. If you REALLY have "questions", then why don you ignore the answers? Why is it EVERY SINGLE piece of evidence that comes out against controlled demolition is a government plot? The "truthers" would have us believe every member of the ASCE is in on it. Every University, even from other countries.
Gotta go train some Muay Thai. My girlfriend is waiting. Enjoy the day.- GhostyBoy, on 03/09/2008, -0/+7You are right in the fact that if people ignore anything that doesn't support their side, they won't learn anything. I try not to be the "close my eyes and cover my ears" type. But it really seems like the vast majority of people are exactly that.
"I have serious reservations about how the government handled the data they had before the attacks. I have serious questions about the air quality at ground zero. I have serious questions about how unprepared we were."
I think that most people aren't taking this vital and critical approach. It seemed like everyone was so scared that they just wanted to let the government handle everything so that they can go on with their lives and not worry about it. But how can you fix a situation by putting your faith in a government that could let this happen? You would think that half of the defense leaders would be fired and prosecuted for negligence.
You are right that a cover-up that included so many people just seems implausible. I have a few theories about how it may have been possible, but they are simply theories and speculation, and I know the difference. In a real debate I think it's important to examine the verifiable facts, and not just some of them either.
In any case I appreciate the respectful manner of your response. Cheers.
- GhostyBoy, on 03/09/2008, -0/+7You are right in the fact that if people ignore anything that doesn't support their side, they won't learn anything. I try not to be the "close my eyes and cover my ears" type. But it really seems like the vast majority of people are exactly that.
- Groovemaster, on 03/08/2008, -6/+8"Many of the truthers don't help to move us closer to a new investigation."
- GhostyBoy, on 03/08/2008, -1/+9That I can respect, man.
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -9/+9"To be honest it actually brings me down that you guys had to ruin this thread."
- rexblade, on 03/07/2008, -7/+8And now i present to you the words of a truly wise understanding and insightful man. I warn you these words are so eloquently crafted that any questions about the advancement of the human race will no longer exist. I present to you the definition of intelligence.... (timpani drum roll) " Eat a bag of *****, you blue ball bitch. We all know you would crawl through a mile of AJ's *****, just to hear the sound of his piss hitting the toilet over a phone."
Thank you oh personification of intelligence we are humbled and graced with your enlightenment again.
p.s. If I ever ran into you id ***** your ***** up. Seriously. I Live in Spokane Washington And i attend S.C.C in the welding program if you wanna find me.- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -5/+6read the quote again and realize the guy is pushing 50. Then look at his comment section. The guy literally spends over 5 hours a day SEARCHING out articles to call people names for thinking differently.
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -8/+9The guy is in hid mid 40s and has been able to retire. You, on the other hand, are in your mid twenties and have nothing to show for it but prison time, some lame rap CDs, and a secretary job. Why do you keep bringing up the age of these people?
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -5/+5why are you so defensive? JCM you don't find it strange that 50 year old men are spending most of their days digging stuff down on Digg? Most 50 year olds don't spend time on a computer let alone 10 hours a day...yelling at people for thinking differently.
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -8/+10And most 26 years olds do better things with their time than getting thrown in jail, "battle rapping", and toiling away as a secretary.
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -5/+7I haven't been in jail since 23 but I get your drift.
Battle rapping is a hobby I do on the side...It's not a career I am pursuing.
I'm not a secretary I don't answer phones.- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -5/+7You did say a while back that you are "pretty much" an Administrative Assistant.
- Herkimer56, on 03/07/2008, -5/+7That's code for "file clerk" or "mailboy".
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -4/+6i am an admin assistant...but no phones...file clerk more suits me but i'm on the computer mostly...data entry I guess.
What do you guys do? - jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -5/+7I support Point of Sale devices (cash registers, handheld POS units) from the server end to setting up and configuring devices to the go out to the braindead end user and show them how to "reset" end, I support end-user desktop systems in back of house offices and front of house outlets both from both the systems administration end and the desktop support end. I support licensed, vendor-supported, and my company's proprietary software. I work (with vendors when need be) to support valet systems (gates, customer kiosks, etc) and cash dispensing machines (there are different machines, some for use by customers and others for in-house workers). I don't think my job is terribly hard, but it's not like it's exactly something that you could jump in on day one and know what you're doing. Would you like for me to tell you more of my responsibilities?
I spend a small amount of my free time at work studying for my CCNA, and too much time playing with the troofers on digg. I'm hoping to get brought onto the networking team soon. I could try to go for good money in networking, but I've got other plans that I won't mention publicly. I don't want diggers to get the same ideas that I have for my career; but if you actually care, card, you can email me at JCM267@hotmail.com and I'll let you know what "Plan A" is. I'm probably already more than enough qualified for this "Plan A" but I do have my family commitments and solid networking experience would be a huge plus. - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -1/+3cool i'm into computers too...i buy them in bulk and sell em off...adding and subtracting parts here and there.
- Hortnon, on 03/07/2008, -3/+7For someone that claims to support libertarianism in its strictest form, you sure do like criticizing people for their personal choices...
- insane11, on 03/07/2008, -2/+7Well obviously anyone who isn't a libertarian is a freedom-hating neocon!
- ssn697, on 03/07/2008, -6/+8Hey there, internet tough guy! How is you you missed the comment I was responding to? You know, THIS comment:
"how do you live with yourself you filthy pig ass piece of ***** lying bootlicker?"
Let me guess. You are going to hunt him down too, right? If you want to wallow in the gutter, my years on submarines make it easy for me to come right back at you. What's the matter? It is only okay when one of you freaks does it? Dish it out syndrome?
Say something intelligent, I will respond in kind. Act an ass, and I will treat you that way as well. Sorry if your little wuss sensibilities were offended. Inflammation got you riled up?
The Alex Jones keyboard mafia has a new member!- rexblade, on 03/08/2008, -3/+4Lol no I guess I was just drawn to your comments because you consistently troll similar articles with the same kinds of comments. You put everyone down who doesn't have the fox news trailer park world view. And you avoid any fact which proves your wrong. Typical of Neocons. Basically I think your a real jerk. Aint gonna hunt you down don't worry.
- ssn697, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5Come on up to Helena. I am cornering one of the guys I train with, in three weeks. You can have a free ticket. It is a short drive from Spokane. I'd love to have you visit. I'll get a good laugh out of you calling me a neo-con. Just a few days ago, one of you RonBots called me a socialist. You freaks sure love labels, don't you?
I think for myself, unlike you. I haven't watched fox news in months. I am not a drone. You, clearly ARE a drone. Enjoy that...- rexblade, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3That would be over to Helena. Know it well was borne in Mt. Now aren't "Freaks" "RonBots" also labels? I also called you a douche if yer keeping a tally. MSM is MSM they are all the same and sound and defend what you do. So the only one droning is you. Where in Helena? Like im gonna drive 5 hours to see a douche in his native habitat. Its kind of funny that you always dig yerself 4 or 5 times.
- ssn697, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5Come on up to Helena. I am cornering one of the guys I train with, in three weeks. You can have a free ticket. It is a short drive from Spokane. I'd love to have you visit. I'll get a good laugh out of you calling me a neo-con. Just a few days ago, one of you RonBots called me a socialist. You freaks sure love labels, don't you?
- rexblade, on 03/08/2008, -3/+4Lol no I guess I was just drawn to your comments because you consistently troll similar articles with the same kinds of comments. You put everyone down who doesn't have the fox news trailer park world view. And you avoid any fact which proves your wrong. Typical of Neocons. Basically I think your a real jerk. Aint gonna hunt you down don't worry.
- rexblade, on 03/08/2008, -3/+3I guess you didn't like the sarcasm then? If you feel I portrayed you as a douche your right.
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -5/+6read the quote again and realize the guy is pushing 50. Then look at his comment section. The guy literally spends over 5 hours a day SEARCHING out articles to call people names for thinking differently.
- matt143, on 03/07/2008, -5/+12We have stopped drinking this poison in the UK
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -4/+7you mean the flouridated water?
- matt143, on 03/07/2008, -2/+5Yes the fluoridated water mate wont go near it i think its worse here in UK
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -4/+7you mean the flouridated water?
- Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -7/+11It's sad that you bashers ignore the truth about what's going on in this world. One day you'll wake up and the world will change overnight and your eyes will finally be opened to what's really going on. You'll finally believe what people like AJ and others have been trying to tell you. You'll then feel sorrow for knowing that you helped propel this nation and the world into utter darkness and despair.
One day...one day soon...- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -10/+11Why should we believe him? We know he is wrong about vaccines and 9/11, so why should we listen to him about anything else? The man never presents any credible evidence.
- markvand, on 03/07/2008, -6/+10So why exactly is he wrong again about the vaccines and 9/11?
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -8/+11Because he has no evidence to support his assertions.
- markvand, on 03/07/2008, -6/+6You obviously haven't been paying attention, because all the evidence supports his claims. It's now even admitted that vaccines can help contribute to autism: http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/american.morni ...
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -6/+12What evidence, idiot? They have been taking the thimerosol (mercury) out of the vaccines and the autism rates have since risen.
- onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -6/+11Wow, you're really slow, aren't you markvand? That article was about a girl who had a RARE UNDERLYING DISEASE which the vaccine worsened into autism. There is NOTHING in there about the vaccines themselves causing autism in normally healthy people.
Your argument is akin to saying that peanuts cause everyone to break out into hives and asphyxiate, when in reality it is only people who are deadly allergic to them in the first place. - markvand, on 03/07/2008, -6/+6It hasn't been taken out. It's still in a lot of vaccines for children and is still used in the production process: http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/08/sti ...
Some places where it has been taken out have seen a drop in new cases of autism though: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/020 ... - onetimer, on 03/07/2008, -6/+10Your evidence is the anecdotal testimony of people who claim to have children who have been vaccinated? Give me a ***** break. Come back when you have an FDA or consumer group report stating that the thimerosol is still used in the vaccines.
How come you won't acknowledge that you completely misinterpreted that Good morning america story? - markvand, on 03/07/2008, -6/+6You're gullible onetimer. It proves that the vaccines can cause autism. Ofcourse they'll claim she had a rare underlying disease that caused this to happen, because now it doesn't set a precedent for thousands of others who have suffered brain damage from the vaccines.
- StaticThunder, on 03/07/2008, -4/+6It proves that vaccines can exacerbate existing medical conditions, just like the alternative -- getting polio -- can. Talk about being gullible, you swallow what a special interest group feeds you without even checking their sources. People get autism, someone must be blamed, vaccines have side effects, they must be at fault.
The science says that in weighing the odds, its FAR better to be vaccinated and take your chances. - gofalcons, on 03/08/2008, -3/+3I guess onetimer would be the person who would take vioxx if the FDA approved it again. You know, the pain medication that injured and/or killed thousands of people.*http://www.vioxx-recall-lawyer.com/* Hey, how about instead of taking a couple of tablespoons of apple cider vinegar to get rid of heartburn, you take a pill everyday for the rest of your life that has side effects just as bad as heartburn *diarhea, vomiting ect...*.
I guess all of those children's medicines that got recalled were safe too huh? Yep, the FDA is just a regular good ol, trustworthy orginization. I mean, what else, besides the billions of dollars it takes to "test" medicines *that for some reason can still prove fatal after all of this "testing"* could be their motives? I'm sure they have the safety of the American people at heart, which is why they don't study herbs and more naturally derived drugs to cure diseases and common ailments. Nope, they take the patentable drugs with additives and chemicals and just rely on the pharmaceutical companies to cover it up after something goes wrong. Of course, when you sponsor the news, you own it, so no one ever has to hear about your "mistakes". *take a look at cnn, fox news, msnbc and count how many drug commercials there are in between the news*
THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM! THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM! If i keep saying it, then it must be true right?* *http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/288487/th ... and by the way, staticthunder, how can it be better to get vaccinated and take your chances? There is a chickenpox vaccine, yet we all know the best way to never get chickenpox again is to get it when you're young. So why would i need a vaccine against it? I've never had a flu shot and guess what *GASP!* I've also never had the flu. *and i lived in a ***** barracks at Marion Military Institute where plenty of people, including my roommate, did get the flu.*
When my wife was pregnant, she couldn't eat seafood because there might be mercury in it and that could cause brain damage. Yet, before my daughter was 24 hours old, they stuck her with a needle that may or may not have had traces of mercury in it. You're only half right, they said they stopped using thimoseral in vaccines, however they didn't destroy the millions of vaccines that were already made with thimoseral in them. And by the way, I talked to my wife about this and we agreed that they wouldn't stick her with anymore needles unless the doctor could tell me which company the vaccines she was using came from and what ingredients were used in the making of them. Suprise, suprise, she didn't know. She didn't know what she was going to be sticking into my 8 month old daughter. *http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html* She was pissed off because she thinks we were undermining her, but big deal, doctors prescribe medicines that kill people all the time, it's not their fault, they just trust the FDA.
But i don't. Gardasil anyone? A vaccine that tells you, if you actually listen to the commercial, that it does nothing to protect against cervical cancer, but it does have a ton of ***** side effects, but never the less, you should still get your 9 year old daughter stuck with it. *http://ezinearticles.com/?Dangers-of-Gardasil-Star ...
I mean, screw curing anything, there's no money in cures because only a few people will need them. However, if you make everyone think that they need to get vaccinated, then you stand to make billions upon billions of dollars. But if it makes you feel better, keep blindly trusing the FDA, after all, our government is always looking out for OUR best intrest, right? - StaticThunder, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5Gofalcons, I'm a scientist. I trust the FDA way more than I trust you, even though I understand the inefficiencies inherent in bureaucracies. And all the elderly who die from the flu each year because assholes like you don't understand herd immunity thank you for doing them such a huge favor.
You're an idiot who believes what they want, not what is supported by the evidence. There is no statistically meaningful connection between vaccines and autism. There is a meaningful connection between not being vaccinated and morbidity. Chickenpox vaccine is sort of silly, but I have scars on my face from it, how much risk is that worth to prevent to you? - gofalcons, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1s
- markvand, on 03/07/2008, -6/+6You obviously haven't been paying attention, because all the evidence supports his claims. It's now even admitted that vaccines can help contribute to autism: http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/american.morni ...
- gofalcons, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2"Gofalcons, I'm a scientist."
Really, what kind of scientist?
"And all the elderly who die from the flu each year because assholes like you don't understand herd immunity thank you for doing them such a huge favor."
Yes, they die because what the FDA wants is vaccines instead of cures. Name one major disease that's been cured since polio. I said, there's no money in cures, but when you make the world beleive that they need to get vaccinated or they'll kill themselves and everyone around them, you stand to make billions upon billions for years to come. Oh and plenty of people a year die from the same diseases they were vaccinated against. I thought vaccines were supposed to be the answer to cure the world. How can they do that if they don't fully protect the person who gets vaccinated? So how am i an ***** becuase i'm not gonna let anyone force me to put anything in my body? You're saying the government should be able to tell me what i can't put in my body, but also tell me that i have to put something in my body? So government should be my mommy and daddy huh?
"...though I understand the inefficiencies inherent in bureaucracies."
Actually, judging from your post, you don't. So the CHICKENPOX vaccine is kind of useless, but all other vaccines aren't? Tell me then, why even make the chickenpox vaccines then? Couldn't be for profits could it? Really, do we need a vaccine to prevent scars on your face? But i guess if you question why make the chickenpox vaccine, then the whole house of cards starts to fall right? It's not our jobs to question, only to blindly follow our government because they know what's best for us!
"You're an idiot who believes what they want, not what is supported by the evidence."
I'm sorry, maybe you wanna read my post again, because i provided plenty of evidence. I can provide plenty more sources if you want me to. Just lemme know. However, you never provided any evidence of you're own, you just said that you were a scientist *didn't even get specific about it, you could be a ***** geologist* and then proceeded to attack me without actually discrediting anything. I guess you win! I guess i've been debating the wrong way, you need to teach me how to get mad debating skillz like yours!!!!11 It's just funny if you think about it, I provided my evidence, you ignore it, but you call me the idiot for ignoring evidence that you never provided. See the irony in that? THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM!!! THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM!!!!! I guess i just need to say it more, if i just keep saying that and ignore the evidence that there is a link, then problem solved, right? Oh and you don't have to have a PhD to use common sense buddy, sometimes you just need to stop being so damn naive, open your eyes to the world around you and realize that not everyone is looking out for your best intrest. There are people who only care about profits and power, they don't give a ***** about how many people they have to hurt, injure or kill to get it.- StaticThunder, on 03/09/2008, -1/+2A bioinformaticist, trained to evaluate the strength of hypothesis based on statistical analysis of the data. I'm familiar with metaanlyses and have bench experience in microbiology and immunology. My Ph.D. is in molecular and cell biology from the University of Texas. When a study conclude that thimerosol is a cause of autism, I'll be the first to believe it, but it hasn't happened yet.
There is no STATISTICALLY MEANINGFUL link between vaccines and autism. Millions of people get vaccinatinated, thousands get autism. Compared to hundreds of thousands getting polio or measles, it makes a lot of sense to get vaccinated even if in 1:10,000 people DO get autism from mercury.
Please continue ranting, you're an ***** for not getting a flu shot. - StaticThunder, on 03/09/2008, -1/+2So, now that we are introduced, what are your biomedical credentials, gofalcons? Cite one peer reviewed scientific paper concluding that the risk of autism is greater than that of morbidity or mortality from the disease the vaccine prevents. If its so dangerous, that should be easy to find.
- StaticThunder, on 03/09/2008, -1/+2http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/71209.php
http://immunize.org/catg.d/p2066.pdf
http://www.nature.com/clpt/journal/v82/n6/abs/6100 ...
Give it a rest already. - gofalcons, on 03/11/2008, -2/+1You know what, we could continue going back and forth forever *what's funny though is literally like 20 minutes ago i just saw another commercial for a recalled drug that killed and injured a bunch of people called Baycol. Of course, the commercial was for a legal company trying to get people to call in because of the class action lawsuit. That's the only way you'll hear about stuff like that.* You have a Ph.D. in science, alright, sorry i ever doubted you. You may know more about science then I do, but I know business. At the end of this year I'll have my bachelors in Business Admin with a minor in Marketing from Georgia State University, at which point I'll continue on to get my masters. The best class I ever took was my BUSA class last semester with a professor who literally walked in on the first day and told us about his completely legal way of selling his company, declaring bankruptcy, screwing his employees out of their pension plans and money they had invested in the company and walking away with nearly 50 million dollars. He said, "You can be a nice guy and MAYBE have a small chance of running a semi-successful business, or you can be a complete ***** and make a ton of money. There is no in between. If you want to make money, I can show you how, but I'm warning the 99% of you in here who have a heart, you don't want to. I've lost my family, my wife divorced me and my kids won't talk to me. My true friends that I had can't stand me anymore and all I have now is my money. I took this job to maybe feel like I was helping something after hurting so many people and literally destroying lives. For the 1% of you who know this is what you want, take my advice, for the rest of you, listen and take notes and you'll get an A." A loose quote, not his exact words but the gist of it. Corporations are legally bound to increase profits and look out for their shareholders, LEGALLY bound. Why else would you need marketing for drugs and vaccines? If a drug works, you would think that word of mouth and doctor recommendations would be enough to get the word out about it. However, we are constantly bombarded with drug ads *all patentable of course* as if these companies were selling soft drinks or candy. It's not an infomercial, slick marketing techniques are used to increase the sale of these drugs. You're constantly told to ask you doctor about (blank) or if (blank) is right for you. However, these drugs aren't meant to cure anything, they're meant to sustain, to treat the symptoms. Oh yeah and 99% of them are pills you're supposed to take everyday for the rest of your life.
You'd think after as many billions upon billions of dollars that are given to these cancer research associations every year, we could at least find the cause of cancer or a way to prevent it *besides not smoking*, but nope, we continue every year giving money to an almost completely unsuccessful cause. Oh of course we get new and more expensive ways to treat the disease, that come with ridiculously horrible side effects and nothing close to a guarantee. However the people that refuse treatment and survive using naturally techniques or lifestyle changes are continually written off. Non patentable and inexpensive herbs and supplements are written off as well. Think about if I was that unsuccessful at my job after 50 something years, do you think I would still get paid? Yet the money keeps rolling in for these non-profits. They even use effective marketing tools to get more money, such as making pink George Foreman Grills or Vacuum Cleaners or M&Ms. I mean, I can't sit here and write all day like I want to because I've gotta work tomorrow, but are you catching my drift? Most of this stuff has nothing to do with science or medicine, it's all about business and increasing sales and profits. It doesn't matter who's hurt in the process or what tactics to use, whether it's sponsoring the news or trying to pass laws mandating the ineffective Gardasil vaccine or using marketing to sell more of your product. As long as they increase profits and stock, they're happy. Just think of it as like a medical version of the mafia, the FDA is bought and paid for. Look at things like aspartame and the interesting story behind it. I don't have time to get into it right now, but maybe another time. These are the reasons I don't trust the FDA and I don't trust major pharmaceutical companies. Yeah i was a skeptic about trying alternative medicine, but I've had fantastic results with the few things that i have tried. Things as small as using a water filter and shower filter, getting clinics on a regular basis and taking herbal supplements to strengthen my immune system. *sorry if I'm an ***** for strengthening my immune system and not getting the flu rather than going to get a shot and still getting it.* Also, you should look at the business and sociology aspect of this more than science. The scientific and medical communities are continually proven wrong *remember when bloodletting was good for you, lead based paint wasn't dangerous, asbestos, THERE WAS NO LINK BETWEEN SMOKING AND CANCER, aspartame was safe, numerous drug recalls...i could go on and on* however human nature continues to stay the same. A few people will always want power and money *Pharaohs, kings, the catholic church* and they'll do anything to get it and keep it *the crusades, the inquisition, slavery.* Though we may not have Pharaohs anymore, we do have corporations with enough money and influence to buy *lobbyists* our politicians in Washington and our media and yet still convince us that they haven't. Don't get me wrong, it's not just the medical industry, don't even get me started on the private government contractors, but I'm just explaining to you why I don't trust and will continue not to trust the FDA or any major pharmaceutical company. Always follow the money trail. - StaticThunder, on 03/11/2008, -1/+3Learn to use paragraphs. I will not read any more rants structured this way.
You are using fallacious reasoning "these other unrelated things happened, therefor you are wrong about autism and vaccines". That is my word of mouth recommendation, not to be construed as medical advice.
No, I am not wrong, and I recommend you seek help as you are clearly suffering from some sort of nervous disorder. - StaticThunder, on 03/11/2008, -1/+2And being an ***** has nothing to do with your immune system, it has to do with the fact that you, by being vaccinated, would not be spreading the flu to people who do have weakened immune systems and may die from it. Its called herd immunity. Look it up some time. By not bothering to get vaccinated, when there is no shortage of vaccine, and instead choosing to risk spreading the flu, you directly endanger others. Just like a reckless driver, you are reckless reservoir of contagion. It has nothing to do with daddy government, it has to do with human ***** compassion.
You have failed to debate ANY of my points directly. - gofalcons, on 03/12/2008, -2/+1Just as you failed to debate any of my points whatsoever. All you did was say you were a scientist and call me an ***** for not letting the government force me to put something in my body. I guess all Amish people are assholes too right? Even though they rarely get sick because they've straightened their immune systems through hard work and not running to a doctor every time they have a cough or every time they're afraid of catching something. But anyway, I'm not gonna waste anymore of my time on this, you haven't debated me once in any of these posts, all you've done was personally attacked me and ignored everything I've said. Modern pharmaceuticals aren't about health or science, they're about business. The FDA is counterproductive. It will never study a non-patentable alternative to any ailment, sickness or disease. That's my whole point about not getting vaccinated anymore or allowing my kids to be vaccinated. Yes, and I already did address that issue earlier, rather than finding a cure, the FDA would rather have everyone believe that not getting vaccinated WILL KILL YOU AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU!!!!111 OMFG, GET VACCINATED RIGHT NOW!!!! *though you can still die from the disease you were vaccinated against* But whatever dude, keep attacking me personally and ignoring the very valid points I'm braining up. The medical industry has turned into a mafia, with doctors as the drug pushers. *even though 95% of doctors become doctors to help people and have no idea they may be hurting them with the drugs* Marketing should never even have to be used if a medical treatment works, but it's not about the cure, it's about sales. It's a business. Once you stop being so god damn naive and understand that, maybe we can get somewhere.
- StaticThunder, on 03/12/2008, -1/+2What points did you make? That the FDA can't be trusted therefor vaccines cause autism? That you are paranoid?
That herd immunity is just another word for the government forcing you to put stuff into your body?
Yeah. You know what? In a civilized society, I believe that people should be forced to put things that have been shown to be safe into their body that keep them from spreading dangerous organism that kill other people. It IS the governments job to protect us from each other, to fund studies that evaluate the risks, and especially to force the stupid people that don't know how to evaluate evidence and won't do things that are genuinely good because they are paranoid to take the right action.
You keep talking about marketing, and frankly, I don't give a ***** about marketing. Vaccines work. The data doesn't support that they cause autism. Argue something else all you want, you still need to learn to use a paragraph and not be a biological hazard to your fellow countrymen. - gofalcons, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1Yeah, you don't give a ***** about marketing, because you're a naive dumb ass who thinks that just because a doctor tells you something, you should blindly follow it without taking a step back and sometimes just using some god damn common sense. You don't realize it so lemme say it again, IT'S NOT ABOUT SCIENCE, IT'S ABOUT BUSINESS. IT'S ABOUT SALES AND INCREASING PROFITS. There, maybe you'll get it now that I typed it in all caps. But like I said, I'm done dude, keep making all the paranoid comments and personal attacks that you want. God, I can't wait to start a marketing company, there are so many dumb asses that just eat ***** up, it's gonna be soooooo much easier than I thought. "Yeah, sure, this energy drink is healthy! High fructose corn syrup and a ***** load of sugar is good for you and your body!" "Oh yeah, don't worry about the fact that this lotion has propylene glycol in it *one of the main chemicals used in antifreeze* it's not bad for you!" "No no no, fluoride strengthens your bones! It doesn't make them brittle!" If that didn't work with me saying it, all I'd have to do is get some celebrities to say it. That's just the small stuff too. But, after all, that's what marketing is all about, getting the right people to say the right things, you can make anyone believe anything you want. I always that psyops *yes that is a real part of the Army by the way* would be a hard thing to do, but after talking to so many people here on digg like you, I'm starting to think that maybe i chose the wrong branch. *sorry about the paragraphs too professor, I don't worry about it too much when I'm on digg.* But like i said, I'm done.
- StaticThunder, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1Wah wah wah, I'm going to play the victim and keep trying to distract people with stuff about fluoride and corn syrup because I CAN'T SUPPORT MY ARGUMENT that vaccines cause autism with evidence.
- gofalcons, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1I gave you the evidence, you just don't wanna listen, so you say things like "oh you need to use paragraphs". So i'm playing the victim by bringing up points that you won't touch? By telling you that it's about business. Like i said man, after being on digg and talking to some of you people, marketing will be a lot easier than i thought. You never once debated me, you just said, "blah blah blah, you're stupid". Tell me it's not about sales, tell me that, tell me the numerous commercials aren't about selling more products and they really are about helping people. That has to do with vaccines because THE SAME ***** COMPANIES MAKE THE VACCINES, dumbass. This is like arguing with a brick wall.
- gofalcons, on 03/13/2008, -1/+1The same people telling you that high fructose corn syrup isn't bad for you, the same people who told us THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN SMOKING AND CANCER, the same people who told us fluoride was good for us, are the same people telling us that thimoseral isn't bad for you. The same people who are funded by the companies who make the vaccines are the ones telling us that the vaccines aren't bad. Kinda sounds like a conflict of interest now doesn't it?
- StaticThunder, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1I don't care what else THEY told us. THEY is not the individual scientists who studied vaccines and autism. You keep confounding the two, and saying because THEY said something wrong in the past, the scientists studying vaccines couldn't possibly be right, TODAY.
No, you did not give me evidence. I cited three papers by different scientists showing no connection. You have cited nothing other than paranoia and ranting.
You can say "maybe conflict of interest" until you are blue in the face, it doesn't prove your point, nor does it prove malfeasance in this instance. - StaticThunder, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1If I understand you right, because the FDA was at one time wrong about cigarette smoke, and because major drug companies fund studies, then F. DeStefano, Paul D. Offitt, T Verstraeten and others who have studied the link between autism and Thimerosal are all liars? Is that your case?
No sir, I do not believe that, you have not presented any evidence to the effect that they are misrepresenting the facts, that their statistics showing no link between mercury exposure and autism, even in the wake of such incidents as 100s of Iraqi's being poisoned with 100s of times the amount of methyl mercury than thimerosol could ever give you, and no increased autism in their children, are all fabrications. Thats impossible. It would be discovered instantly.
You aren't listening to a word I am saying, which is why you say you are arguing with a brick wall. I've heard you. You're wrong. - StaticThunder, on 03/13/2008, -0/+1Or do you really believe that F DeStefano, Paul D. Offitt, T. Verstraeten and Judith Miles ALSO worked on Fluoride, ALSO worked on cigarettes, and ALSO worked on corn syrup, and THOSE INDIVIDUALS all are in on a giant conspiracy to force thimerosal on the consumer? And all the doctors who know vaccines work are also lackies of the drug companies?
You're a lunatic if you believe that, which is the conclusion I've come to about you. I'm done here. You can rot in your delusions if thats what you want, I'm sick of wasting my time on ***** Digg arguments with conspiracy theorists and idiots.
- StaticThunder, on 03/09/2008, -1/+2A bioinformaticist, trained to evaluate the strength of hypothesis based on statistical analysis of the data. I'm familiar with metaanlyses and have bench experience in microbiology and immunology. My Ph.D. is in molecular and cell biology from the University of Texas. When a study conclude that thimerosol is a cause of autism, I'll be the first to believe it, but it hasn't happened yet.
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -8/+11Because he has no evidence to support his assertions.
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -7/+8you shouldn't....he's a liar...you've been saying this for a year now...we get it...go away
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -10/+11You do know that you troof idiots could have your own little circle jerk at the Prisonplanet forums, right? I suggest you and the rest of the troof brigade head back there and leave digg alone.
- Observant1, on 03/07/2008, -3/+7... waits for Jerk Circle Maggot to show us all how
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -10/+11You do know that you troof idiots could have your own little circle jerk at the Prisonplanet forums, right? I suggest you and the rest of the troof brigade head back there and leave digg alone.
- Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -6/+9Jocko, you don't even believe the dictionary term for pull it so why would we think you'd ever believe AJ? Bashers don't want to believe the truth...EVER! So what's the point? You're a waste of time, people who WANT to know the truth will find it. People like you are just lemmings chasing their evil NWO master.
"Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” - Matthew 15:14- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -8/+10Dictionary term for "pull it"? Shut up, liar.
- Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -5/+5Jocko - "Pull is not a term generally used in that industry to describe when they are initiating their controlled demolitions, but it is a term used with firefighters when they are going to evacuate a dangerous building." - 2/28/08
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pull (pŏŏl) Pronunciation Key
v. pulled, pull·ing, pulls
To demolish; destroy: pull down an old office building.
v. tr.
pull down
"To demolish; destroy: pull down an old office building."
"To reduce to a lower level."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pulled- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -8/+8Pull down. As in with cables. You know, the way that the low rises in the WTC were pulled down. The way that idiots like you use the term is wrong. "Pull it" meant to pull the firefighters out of the building, idiot.
- card51short, on 03/07/2008, -3/+7"Pull down. As in with cables."
Actually no...doesn't look like the American Heritage Dictionary says anything about cables, my friend ;)
"The way that idiots like you use the term is wrong. "Pull it" meant to pull the firefighters out of the building, idiot."
Then explain why your precious 9/11 Commission Report states there was no firefighting in Building 7 after it was evacuated following the planes hitting the towers, idiot? ;) - Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -3/+7Yes Jocko, we know, we know. And "IT" refers to people now, got it. Gotta run now, I'm going to meet some "ITS" for lunch.
- Herkimer56, on 03/07/2008, -6/+7http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/ah ...
Looks like the American Heritage Dictionary doesn't have anything at all to say about "pull it". - card51short, on 03/07/2008, -3/+7"Yes Jocko, we know, we know. And "IT" refers to people now, got it. Gotta run now, I'm going to meet some "ITS" for lunch."
The funniest part of it all (which the deniers refuse to even discuss) is that he never even mentions the fire fighters and the ENTIRE interview was about WTC7. So, they are talking about WTC7 then he says WE PULLED IT and the deniers say IT is something he hasn't even referred to the entire conversation and NOT the main topic of discussion.
Just unbelievable you guys... - Look4Truth, on 03/07/2008, -2/+7Because they don't want to believe it Card. There's hundreds if not thousands of problems with the "offical" story of 9/11 but they refuse to admit to one. To do so would shatter their propagandized version of reality and for some people ignorance is bliss.
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to co
- markvand, on 03/07/2008, -6/+10So why exactly is he wrong again about the vaccines and 9/11?
- jcm267, on 03/07/2008, -10/+11Why should we believe him? We know he is wrong about vaccines and 9/11, so why should we listen to him about anything else? The man never presents any credible evidence.