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- ardarvin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+77To quote The Nation: "And yes, it is a sad sign that we are reduced to counting votes for which members of Congress are upholding their oath to support the Constitution."
- hawkeye17, on 10/10/2007, -7/+83Somewhere, Osama bin Laden is smiling. This is exactly the kind of reaction he wanted to provoke in this country with 9/11. Unfortunately, the Republican's are too stupid to realize that.
- jkbowman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+71Rrrrrr, not happy with tis a'tall
- iching, on 10/10/2007, -1/+65The Senate didn't reject it Republican Senators rejected it. The title puts the blame on the whole senate and not the party and senators that rejected it
The Republican party should be ashamed of themselves for spitting on the constitution and the bill of rights. Oh, wait, they have that flag burning amendment that they are bringing up tomorrow to show they are patriots and then they burn and destroy our constitution and bill of rights. - SheilaNoya, on 10/10/2007, -0/+55You don't have to be "captured on a battlefield" for Bush to declare you an "enemy combatant", and holding you as a detainee. Throwing away one of the provisions in our Bill of Rights is a BAD idea and we need to stop the Republicans from trashing what our nation's founders created. What Bush is doing violates International Law, the Geneva Convention, and common sense. I can only hope that one day Bush will be tried by an International Tribunal for his crimes against humanity.
- ptsd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+43traitors
- blorc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+40It's just one more step towards such a law being applied elsewhere. There's no guarantee that it will only be used in the situation you described. This is how people lose their rights. People don't lose their core rights suddenly, they lose them slowly over time.
It's the same reason gun laws have become more and more restrictive. It's the same reason people are called "anti-insertpatrioticcausehere" because they protest. It's the same reason the government has come to the point where they can spy on us without transparency.
You think it's a good idea now, but just you wait. - cocreator10, on 10/10/2007, -0/+34 I even called my senator.I wont be voting for him anymore.
- n8glenn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+35Indefinite detention without trial is not about keeping criminals off the streets, if they were criminals then it could be proven in a court of law. No, indefinite detention without trial is about intimidating law abiding citizens who know they could be next, and it is the corner stone of any fascist regime. Naomi Wolfe is right, we are just a few steps away from being a closed society, and once that happens, freedom will not come back without a bloody struggle. Stand up, let them hear your voice, vote for Ron Paul or for Mike Gravel. If they do not, or can not, turn back the tide of fascism, then we must rise up and oppose this government. Don't be complicit in these monstrous crimes against humanity, don't support the wholesale destruction in Iraq, don't support the corruption and the lies, don't support the exploitation and murder of defenseless, innocent men, women and children all over the world by the power mad, trigger happy, greed crazed elite of this country.
- KMye, on 10/10/2007, -0/+27It's true, there weren't enough democrats to break the vote, especially with Lieberman voting Nay
- Bartboy919, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24Yesh, he is a douche.
- logicalnoise, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23The article that was to be amended stated no real definition of what an enemy combatant was. Meaning anyone really could lose their right to habeas corpus.
- shawnfassett, on 10/10/2007, -5/+26thcobbs - they had tribunals on the battlefields in Vietnam...and now we have Afghanistan sending people TO us in Cuba. are you such a coward that you think rights and protection cannot be extended to people (including children!!!!!)?
give me a break. conservatism is dead. - temsi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19Republicans used a tactic called a filibuster, where they prevent a measure from being voted on, by refusing to stop debating.
You need 60 votes to stop a filibuster.
Ironically, Republicans wanted to do away with the filibuster altogether a couple years ago when Democrats were using it to block Bush's judicial nominees.
Funny how they're all for it, now that the shoe is on the other foot.
***** morons, all of them. - pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18i hope you get declared an enemy combatant and hauled off to a secret prison somewhere. then we'll see how much neo-con ***** you keep inhaling.
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19habeas corpus is knocked down again, our rights are being trampled, the troops bill was defeated, civilians are being killed by mercenaries, police are tasering and abusing people, and all the corporate media can talk about is OJ, ***** disgusting.
- moxley, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22You're dead on N8glenn.
What people fail to realize is that any of us could be military detainees in the future. If something happens (like another terrorist attack on US soil) and martial law is declared all bets are off.
I am sure you all saw the story about the 6 nukes "accidentally" being flown acorss the country last month. Well, it now turns out that all 6 crew members have been killed in separate "accidents" in the past couple of weeks. All 6 of em.
This is *****. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19Go door to door and tell your neighbors. Protest on bridges, highways, to legislators and in front of news stations. Buy guns and plenty of ammunition for defense when Bush forms the youth mobs to harass you. Like Nazi America, when the doors close it gets very ugly for freedom-loving citizens.
Everybody needs to read Naomi Wolf's new book, "The End of America: A Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot" -- It may become the most influential book of our day. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Propaganda 101 - demonize the enemy. Then any means we use are ok...they aren't like us. Keep in mind however, thoughts like that tend to spread to emcompass other groups that "aren't like us". "US" meaning whoever is in power at the moment.
- canUdi9it, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17They're all guilty of treason, who voted against it. Upholding their oath of office isn't optional.
- pigfister, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19most of the ppl in gitmo were illegally kidnapped by the cia using extraordinary rendition.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16most of the detainees in guantanimo were SOLD to us at 25k per suspected 'al qaeda' and 5k per taliban.. bounty hunters just rounded up whole towns and sold them all to the government.. they are stooges, most are as guilty (or less guilty) than you or i.. they deserve a chance to plea their case..
also according to the patriot act YOU OR I can be declared an enemy combatant for breaking any state or federal law, or obstructing the flow of commerce... you can have you citizen ship revoked and you can be detained WITHOUT HABEAS CORPUS! !! dont you see? the same rights you deny them will be denied you, cause you can be labeled as then, then people will say of you, 'who cares, hes not an american' - Phearce, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15*Exactly* By abandoning our core values (Bill of Rights, Constitution, etc.), we have moved into a reactionary-stance. The ONLY way to win the "war on terrorism" is to strive to be the best possible democracy; a nation of people that are respected by their peers. Anything short of that plays directly into the hands of the terrorists.
- logicalnoise, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16anyoen have the voting record so i can send blanket emails to these douchebags?
- whiskeymb, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15how many PEOPLE have been declared enemy combatants... it's all classified which is part of the problem
- omnithought, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Thanks, Senators. you have officially reduced the Constitution to "just a goddamned piece of paper," as Bush said. I bet you have the Constitution printed on your toilet paper. Hell, I bet the Constitution IS your toilet paper.
How can people choose their partisan affiliation over our most basic freedoms? The real pathetic thing is that it's those people who question the patriotism of others. Talk about ass-backwards. - pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14BOO! now give up your freedoms.
- Ebacherville, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15the Read the bills act, would help considerable we can than procicute these bastards. and slow there progress of eliminating our freedoms.
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14i assume you are referring to the senators.
- jstohler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Read that list carefully, everyone. It's black-and-white proof that Republicans (and Joe Lieberman) don't give two ***** about your civil rights anymore.
- greenm1981, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Absolutely. Let's not forget, however, that if the Republican's won't vote for cloture then the Dems had better ***** hold them to that and make them ACTUALLY go through the filibuster. Just saying "We don't have 60 votes" is *****! They only filibuster every damn bill because we let them off with a threat.
- Pfhreak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12NAYs ---43
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT) (C'mon, The Last Honest Man, just officially join the Republican Party already)
Lott (R-MS)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Thanks to Senators Hagel, Lugar, Smith, Snowe, Specter, and Sununu for standing up to your own party and voting for what's right. - consoneo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11They already do that....
- Qeveren, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11How do either the mess that is Iraq, which has shot terrorist recruiting numbers through the roof, or the Patriot Act, which is worse than useless, do -anything- to help protect your nation?
- swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11@jcm267- 2 or 3 that have been disclosed to the public. But the relevant question would be "how many INNOCENT people have been declared enemy combatants," because without the right to Habeus we will never know the answer.
- zombies187, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10We can't know how many Americans are in there because they can't petition the government.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14osama bin laden died years ago from kidney failure
the neocons are smiling, this is exactly the kind of reaction they wanted to provoke when they helped carry out 9/11
its TRUE the TERRORISTS DO HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS, the only thing is the terrorists dont live in a cave in afganistan, they live in the white house - arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12First: Sorry subby, you're 24 hours late on the "Breaking" part. This happened yesterday.
Second: This digusts me. Those in congress lament the treatment of Gimo prisoners and some even call for its closure. Yet when it really comes down to it, they just bend over and take it in the ass from Dubya and his crew.
The fact is: they can take anyone and say they "suspect them of terrorist connections" and classify them an enemy combatant, and that means American Citizens as well. We are not safe. Destroy Habeas Corpus, expand the eavesdropping program, and the government has a blank check for a police state and a perpetual war. - AbsurdParadox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10The problem is that IF someone is WRONGLY labeled an enemy combatant, no one would ever know.
- Pilot85, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10OMG they're gonna end us! Time to drop the facade of democracy and go for destroying our republic from the inside out! Woo!
Read a ***** history book jcm267. - wetdog, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11My Senator (Lugar, R-Indiana) was one of a very few republicans to vote "yea." I was taken aback. I just wrote him to applaud his vote. If you're unhappy with how your senators voted, it's not too late to let them know you're unhappy. Also, it's a good opportunity for a pat on the back is they voted along with your views.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Everyone who voted against it should be locked up for violating their oath to uphold the Constitution.
See, I can play that game too. - KidDynamo0, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I am so sick of people saying how Congress or the entire Senate is to blame for this *****. The fact that the Dems don't have 60 votes is what is keeping all this crap going. I will be the first to say that the Dems are not perfect, however the talk of obstructionism should be completely pointed at the Republicans. They are working overtime to sustain this war, and keep Habeus Corpus from ever coming back. They think its a privilege and not a right to every American citizen. When you make statements like "Congress sux lolz" you are painting the senators and representatives that are trying to fix ***** with the same brush as the douche bags killing your freedoms. So start stating who the true ***** ups are, instead of just saying all of them.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9It was a cloture vote. To stop debate and pass the amendment you need at least 60 votes in favor of cloture.
- synaesthesia, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Oh piss off, not a single one of them was confirmed to have worked anywhere near nuclear weapons in any way. Half of them died BEFORE the entire incident ever occured.
What you say is definitely true (the possible results of another domestic terrorist attack) but you lose all credibility when you buy into these retarded and half-baked conspiracy theories that can be disproven with 5 second's worth of googling. - chase001, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Which battlefield would that be? Baghdad? There aren't battlefields in invasions and occupations.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+91. I invoke Godwin.
2. I'm not the one willing to let my country go down the tubes because of the scary,scary terrorists. You'd have made a great brownshirt. Letting the government do whatever they want to whoever they want just for a little "safety" - dforty3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9It was linked in the article...
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li ... - st23am, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights?
- john2kx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8"NOT"? is this 1991?
Please die. -
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