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Book says White House ordered forgery

politico.com — A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.

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  • zaibatsu, on 08/05/2008, -12/+69Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for Bush and Company...

    It actually seem like the GOP is staying out of the fray for now with Offshore drilling and McCain.

    We'll see if it can hold after the conventions and debates
    • cawpin, on 08/05/2008, -18/+2Um, why is this news? It's the ***** CIA. they have to do ***** to get ***** done. Faking a letter isn't anything to get twisted about.
      • Nicksname1, on 08/05/2008, -1/+7Yeah I know it's not like anyone got executed over it.

        Oh wait!
      • krnldmp, on 08/05/2008, -0/+3That ***** isn't isn't working anymore chucklehead. How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
      • Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -0/+1Oh, wow, it isn't news that they fight fire with fire....and then everything burns.

        Some men truly just want to see the world burn.

        Most of us don't, though.
    • TheSwashbuckler, on 08/05/2008, -0/+1You REALLY don't think things could get worse for the Bush administration?!

      Dude, if and when most of the truth finally emerges (probably 20-30 years from now) it's going to be ten times worse than what we know now.
  • alapoet, on 08/05/2008, -9/+102As bad as this is, I'm willing to bet there's still literally dozens of stories from the Bush administration that are even worse than this.

    Most of them will probably never see the light of day.
    • HumanCattle, on 08/05/2008, -2/+36Certainly not if all the key players keep committing "suicide"
    • AnarkeIncarnate, on 08/05/2008, -1/+5Well, starting a war is probably worse than backpedaling to justify it.
    • pigfister, on 08/05/2008, -4/+12how about supporting Israel in the genocide by giving them free arms!

      NEVER forget Rachel Corrie murdered by an Israel bulldozer.
      http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rl ...



      Military AID is free weapons, 30 billion $ worth for Israel on top of the $24 billion America has already given, to continue, to illegally occupy Palestine and slaughter its inhabitants paid for by the American tax $!


      In the official American 9/11 report Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's main motivation behind the attack was Americas continued support for ISRAEL this is in black and white freely available to anyone that can read! The pdf 9/11 report, its very heavy reading but i can help *5.2 The Planes Operation report page 154 about half way down "U.S. Support for Israel"*
      http://www.9-11commission.gov
      Report download page: http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.ht ...

      There was the public 9/11 commission on c-span stating that the main reason for the 9/11 attacks was the continued support for Israel in their quest to cleans the occupied state "Palestine" C-Span video can be found on youtube and here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg&feature ...


      Israel Violates UN Security Council, Occupying Syria's Land with Noam Chomsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vj45865jpE

      Analysis: New US-Israeli arms deal (BBC) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/69499 ...
      FTA:
      *****Thursday, 16 August 2007, 16:02 GMT 17:02 UK
      This new agreement sets increased levels of US military aid for Israel over the coming decade.
      In broad terms, Israel will receive a total of some $30bn (£14.8bn) in military aid, a significant increase over $24bn (£12bn) it received over the past 10 years.
      US ARMS AID TO ISRAEL
      $30bn over 10 years
      1st payment of $2.55bn in 2008
      Annual payments rising to $3.1bn by 2011
      26.3% can be spent in Israel
      Rest must be spent on US arms*****



      ===============================================

      BUSH'S DEEP REASONS FOR WAR ON IRAQ: OIL, PETRODOLLARS, AND THE OPEC EURO QUESTION http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/iraq.html
    • malex, on 08/05/2008, -2/+1Don't threadjack, Pigfister.
  • kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -8/+70Hello? Congress? Anybody home? I think you have a little tiny piece of work you should be doing, I don't care if there is recess. Call a special session. It should take all of 20 seconds. 435 yays. Move forward.
    • PolishLogic, on 08/05/2008, -2/+8They can't. Pelosi has an important book tour that needs her full attention, and Reid has a kid that needs help with his exploratory research on whether or not to run for office.
    • InetRoadkill, on 08/05/2008, -2/+7Pelosi and other top dems approved the illegal wiretaps and torture. The last thing they want is an open hearing into Bush's illegal activities since it would reveal their involvement as well.
      • kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -0/+8Well, if that is true, these people are essentially admitting that they are plunging this country into tyranny.
      • InetRoadkill, on 08/05/2008, -0/+5I'm afraid it's true. Pelosi and other top dems sat on the congressional committees that were formed shortly after 9/11. In a knee jerk reaction and out of fear for being labeled weak on terror, they gave Bush sweeping powers which included the illegal wiretaps and "enhanced interrogation" (torture). This is why Pelosi is blocking all efforts to impeach. If an impeachment took place, the first thing Bush's defense team would do would be to say "Hey, you guys approved this 6 years ago." The jig would be up for Pelosi and company because their complicity would be out in the open for all to see in a very public forum.
      • kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -0/+5Well, something needs to be done. Are folks willing to just allow tyranny to stroll onto the scene?
      • Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -0/+1It didn't stroll, Kemp, it's got disco lights, a dance floor and lots of booze we paid for in tax dollars to keep it going.
  • HumanCattle, on 08/05/2008, -9/+75So the Anthrax attacks were an inside job. This forged intelligence linking Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda was an inside job.

    I wonder, what other "inside jobs" are yet to be revealed?
    • jvill, on 08/05/2008, -1/+42What about all the inside jobs that have ALREADY been revealed?

      Scooter Libby? Karl Rove? The US Attorneys scandal? The negligent homicides of Katrina? The telecom immunity? A nation lied into war? A citizenry spied upon by its government and our Constitution violated by our political class? War crimes committed in all our names?

      It's Versailles on the Potomac, my friend.

      The people who are legally obligated to be looking out for us rabble, us regular citizens, are all in the tank for themselves and each other.

      There are now clearly two systems of justice in our country -- and we are in the lesser one.
      • AnarkeIncarnate, on 08/05/2008, -2/+11Hey. We can't have that unAmerican talk. You had best wear a flag pin lest the special police find you to be a traitor.

        Seriously! How can you expect the government to execute the will of the people if they don't push jack boots into a few heads? Besides. They are too busy stuffing ill gotten money into their pockets to notice that they are ***** the bed.
      • evo8ftw, on 08/05/2008, -14/+4HAAAAAAAAAAAA yes because Bush was the cause of Katrina. Damn him and his evil hurricane creator.
      • subterfuge, on 08/05/2008, -2/+5@evo8ftw

        bush was certainly not the cause of katrina, but he was the cause of the lack of aid. normally, the national GUARD guards the country and assists regions that have been devastated by natural disasters. but since the national guard was in iraq, new orleans suffered
      • Caffeinate, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2Not just New Orleans...it actually passed over Hancock County Mississippi. Now they are telling us that in the event of another catastrophic hurricane, ice is a luxury, despite the fact that we had no gas, no roads to travel on, no electricity to refrigerate medicines and certainly no water. We have a generator, but when you can only buy 5 gallons, it has to go into the car to even get anywhere.

        If another one comes, I have no damn idea what we are going to do without ice.

        I guess most of the nation missed that little anecdote - no ice for hurricane survivors because it is just way too luxurious of a thing to have, despite having no refrigeration, electricity or water.
    • PolishLogic, on 08/05/2008, -11/+6I missed the news about Bush ordering the anthrax letters.
    • Nevarius, on 08/05/2008, -0/+7(niger)Yellowcake papers were forged also. Most likely one of the biggest pushes used to obtain war, if not the final push to get their agenda underway.
  • BishkekBuddy, on 08/05/2008, -4/+42The unbelievable speed with which he was put on trial and then put to death spoke volumes to me - there was a whole lot about his relationship with the US and in particular to our ruling junta that they didn't want to come out... forging a letter was a tiny little thing to do to ensure the American people would never know the truth. Besides... they had learned how to forge a letter and refined their techniques after they blew it on the yellowcake letter...
  • mathewsj, on 08/05/2008, -31/+3utterly inaccurate like all from Suskind, google 'Ron Suskind' the unsubstatiated stories tells it all.
    • jvill, on 08/05/2008, -2/+25Why don't you give us a little more than that?

      Because I Googled Ron Suskind and the first three pages were all highly credible interviews, numerous references to him as a "terrorism expert", and several other experts referring to him as an extremely credible journalist.

      I guess that would make your claims... "unsubstatiated".
    • BXRWXR, on 08/05/2008, -3/+9mathew, you just substantiated FAIL.
    • ketemphor, on 08/05/2008, -2/+4Suskind specifically cites the former head of the CIA's Near East Division, Rob Richer, as one source, and the former lead of the Iraqi Operations Group, John Maguire, as another. Richer was specifically sourced as saying he heard orders to produce this forgery from George Tenet.
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2Repeat the Bush pattern. Deny the corruption, deny the war mongering, deny the incompetence, deny the disregard for the constitution, deny the torture, then attack and discredit the messenger. Paul O'Neal, Richard Clark, Colin Powell, Scott McClellan. Now claim they all hate America. Rinse & Repeat.
  • avengingturnip, on 08/05/2008, -3/+50Oh, and we still don't know who was responsible for the Niger uranium document forgeries over which the White House was willing to blow the cover of a CIA agent.
  • jodimcmullen, on 08/05/2008, -3/+40Holy crap i am listening to national news on CBS... they are actually reporting on this right now.
    • redcolumbine, on 08/05/2008, -2/+14That might be the biggest NEWS on this item - or in general - lately!
  • Kizilbash, on 08/05/2008, -4/+30Check this too: "One thing I haven't seen mentioned with regard to the attempt to implicate Iraq in the anthrax scare in fall of 2001 is the reason Iraq was hard to rule out as a source. It was that it clearly originated in labs in Ames, Iowa. The Reagan administration had permitted the provision to Iraq of anthrax precursors . . . from Ames, Iowa. That is, the Republican Party was proliferating weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, even though his regime was known to have deployed poison gas against Iran and against Iraqi Kurds. And, because Iraqi anthrax would have shown the Ames ancestry if analyzed, a foreign provenance-- however unlikely-- could not be ruled out by investigators.

    In the intelligence world, Iraqi anthrax, given Iraq by Washington, showing up in the US would have been called "blowback"-- the word for a covert operation that goes rogue and ends up harming the original sponsor. But even the inability to rule Iraq out was a form of blowback. Reagan and Rumsfeld muddied the waters for terrorism investigators by giving WMD to terrorist regimes."
    http://www.juancole.com/2008/08/bush-pressured-fbi ...
  • Bushlied, on 08/05/2008, -5/+7Bush says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. ***** idiot! Hang them high.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LwMTjeu5f4
  • duckley, on 08/05/2008, -3/+33“The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001,” Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link.”

    IMPEACH.

    PROSECUTE.

    CONVICT.

    IMPRISON.
    • AnarkeIncarnate, on 08/05/2008, -3/+6We execute traitors in this country. This gives aid and comfort to our enemies. Do the math.
      • DemonWasp, on 08/05/2008, -2/+1Crime + Punishment = Justice

        What more do you really need?
  • axel000, on 08/05/2008, -2/+24Dirty Republican Sleazeball traitors. You have the nation's blood on your hands. Thats all I have to say.

    • AnarkeIncarnate, on 08/05/2008, -6/+2Do not confuse Republican with Neo-Con. Just because they have infiltrated and misdirected the party does not make it right to paint all with the same brush. The Kool-Aid brigade want to feel powerful and important.
      • Waiting2awake, on 08/05/2008, -2/+9The problem is, and I feel fairly safe in saying this - if it is true that the neo-cons "took over" the republican side - why don't I see republicans fighting against the neo-cons? I see passing remarks(And I have made them myself) about how neo-cons are not republicans - but that leaves me blank when I wonder why they aren't fighting against the neocons? The democrats aren't because they are in on it - if the republicans aren't then they must be in on it too, or too frightened to fight for the country in which case they are useless in their role.

        So I am left with a choice - are they incompetent or corrupt, and why should America bother with them in either case?
  • wooFmeoWoinK, on 08/05/2008, -3/+15Another alleged false flag operation? No wonder Bush and Putin are such good friends.
    • Conspiracy20, on 08/05/2008, -3/+3Are you kidding? Bush makes Putin look good.
  • allowners, on 08/05/2008, -3/+25For any who doubt that Bush is mere figurehead dressing on the shadow government. FTA:

    “After the searing experience of being in the Nixon White House, Cheney developed a view that the failure of Watergate was not the break-in, or even the cover-up, but the way the president had, in essence, been over-briefed. There were certain things a president shouldn’t know – things that could be illegal, disruptive to key foreign relationships, or humiliating to the executive.

    “They key was a signaling system, where the president made his wishes broadly known to a sufficiently powerful deputy who could take it from there. If an investigation ensued, or a foreign leader cried foul, the president could shrug. This was never something he'd authorized. The whole point of Cheney’s model is to make a president less accountable for his action. Cheney’s view is that accountability – a bedrock feature of representative democracy – is not, in every case, a virtue.”
    • Reynardine, on 08/05/2008, -1/+2Another reason why "President Cheney" is a *good* consequence of impeachment: if he's in charge, he's accountable, and he can be caught.
  • chicofaraby, on 08/05/2008, -3/+16Reminds me of the propaganda that Hitler used to justify invading the Sudentenland.
  • vexingmodstwo, on 08/05/2008, -17/+4Obama is getting creamed on the energy issue! Quick waste your time on a guy who isn't running!!!!
    • Vali585, on 08/05/2008, -3/+5Oh, He is running. A suspended campaign is not the same as a withdrawal of candidacy. It isn't over yet.
    • munen123, on 08/05/2008, -3/+6whatever obamas energy policy will be better than bush or mcains... WHY? because he didnt have the ***** energy companies come to the white house and write it!

      corporate morons are not to be trusted.
      • vexingmodstwo, on 08/05/2008, -5/+3So you're one of those who don't know that Obama voted for Bush's energy bill and McCain didn't?

        Regardless, Bush isn't up for re-election.
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Nothing to see here. Move along. The surge is working. The surge is working.
  • PolishLogic, on 08/05/2008, -13/+5I bet it's full of unnamed but "credible" sources too.
    • fantanel, on 08/05/2008, -3/+12There are at least 2 named sources for this story: CIA officers Rob Richer and John Maguire, who oversaw the Iraq Operations Group, are both on the record in Suskind’s book confirming the existence of the fake Habbush letter.
      • PolishLogic, on 08/05/2008, -8/+3Nice find. I'm glad you were able to stick with the article the whole way through. Mike Allen's writing style closely resembles that of an autistic 4th grader, so I was forced to give up on it after the fourth single-sentence paragraph.
      • Waiting2awake, on 08/05/2008, -2/+9Ad Hom attacks what a shock.
      • PolishLogic, on 08/05/2008, -6/+2Actually it was a critique of Mike Allen. His article failed to keep my interest long enough to get to the listing of the sources, and fantanel got me up to speed on the article.

        Not much of an attack here unless you consider it an attack on piss-poor writing skills. If you want people to read your article, it helps when it's well-written. To much ***** to read on Digg to waste time sitting through a horribly written submission. Especially when you know that the same story by a different writer will be submitted shortly.
  • Hetman, on 08/05/2008, -13/+4This is stupid. There are more important things that Obama has done wrong. I mean he did vote for the revised patriot act and FISA. Not to mention his energy policies need much more improvement.
    • Waiting2awake, on 08/05/2008, -4/+8This isn't about Obama - it is about the treasonous officers in the WH
    • Hetman, on 08/05/2008, -2/+1Damnit sorry about the post. I clicked on the wrong tab with out looking at the title.
    • jgaba24, on 08/05/2008, -2/+5Does anyone else note that when Obama flip flops on an issue the media portrays it as a "change of heart" not flip flopping
    • Anonchrist, on 08/05/2008, -1/+3Does anyone else note that when Bush alters the evidence for an issue the media portrays it as a "nonexistent " not a conspiracy.
  • Zanzabar33, on 08/05/2008, -14/+3One time I found this book full of names... it turned out to be a baby names book...
  • empraptor, on 08/05/2008, -2/+15If this story has merit and Pelosi still sticks to the impeachment-is-off-the-table thing, Pelosi should be thrown out. Wish she'd grow some balls and realize it's not her that would be going back on what she said but rather it's Bush who's gone back on his oath to his office.
    • Waiting2awake, on 08/05/2008, -2/+6She should have been thrown out ages ago as well. They got elected to stop Bush - instead they sided with him - that, like Bushes actions - are treasonous and unless they all are called to task expect the next guys(Obama?) to do the same and build upon what Bush has done...

      If these guys aren't swinging - most of America will be in time.
    • rthakidn, on 08/05/2008, -5/+1Aaahh; "if this story has merit". Ding-ding-ding-ding! You're getting warm.
  • grey580, on 08/05/2008, -6/+2Are we really surprised by this?
    Not really. But nothing will ever happen to bush & co.
    Oh well. When's the next britney scandall?
  • miamidolfan13, on 08/05/2008, -2/+5The architect of the War won't be at the RNC convention. I wonder why?
    http://digg.com/politics/Dick_Cheney_not_invited_t ...
    • azhura, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2It's because they know that we hate the Devil. But, it would be appropriate to see him standing in the shadow of McSame, where he really belongs.
  • pjpark, on 08/05/2008, -3/+6Cool, a talking book!
  • dafragsta, on 08/05/2008, -3/+5It doesn't mean a thing until someone acts on the information. Since that's not ever going to happen (you know, because the system is rigged) I'm not even going to bother getting upset about this ***** anymore. Call me when a million people gather on the white house lawn. I'll be there.
    • krnldmp, on 08/05/2008, -1/+1Some heads are gonna roll. Don't worry. When its all over we'll still let you call yourself an American.
  • Sumtin2Say, on 08/05/2008, -4/+3Yeah, but does anyone in the White House recall ordering this forgery? Cause if they can't recall it, it didn't happen. Booya!
  • munen123, on 08/05/2008, -4/+5bush is a lying piece of *****!
    Impeach the shetheads!

  • rthakidn, on 08/05/2008, -8/+3And yet, with the countless inquiries and hearings in an attempt to manufacture evidence against Bush, this guy is the only person who can produce it. If ANYONE could produce credible evidence of wrong doing, don't you think this "we hate Buch" congress would not at least produce it to embarass him? Show me the proof, don't just "say so". Digg is hopeless.
    • Waiting2awake, on 08/05/2008, -3/+5There is no such thing in American politics as political sides - so many are waking up to that fact. The recent election of the democrat congress dispelled any illusion of a two party system for anyone paying attention.

      There is mounds and mounds of evidense against Bush and his cabal, but a court is where you have to present said evidense and "That is off the table", and was from the start....

      But hey - if you are feeling good about this, fret not! For in a little while Obama will be given the role, and he will build upon all the nice things Bush has done - but have his own special twist on it(Must keep up divisions of the ignorant) illiciting calls of socialism, communism and the like from those currently cheering these courses of actions...Never realizing they are the makers of their demise

      It is an illusion to keep you under control. Be smarter than that. Understand there are two parties in the American system. Politicians and the masses. When Bush was talking about getting "them", those them were YOU! When Bush was talking about protecting our freedoms - you weren't included in "Our" - that was the politicians "our". When Obama is doing the talking - same thing, for neither will say anything they aren't told to say.

      Presidents don't give orders, they take them. At least in America, and probably world wide now.
      • rthakidn, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2@waiting2awake. Though, I think we can agree on pretty much everything you say, I tend not to be as cynical. Politicians are different only in their labels, but ultimately they all serve their own interests, either directly or indirectly. Hopefully, some day we might have an alternative to the Dems and Reps, because right now, there's not a hill of beans bit of difference between them. Holding power is their goal and they'll say anything and stop at nothing to do it.
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2Proof? Proof of what? Proof of his war mongering? Proof of his incompetence? Proof of his handing America to the war profiteers? Proof of his torture?

      When will you believe it then? After he's executed for war crimes?
  • republicker, on 08/05/2008, -2/+7We have allowed the destruction of America as a free society. We are all responsible. Time to choose sides and prepare for hard times.
    • krnldmp, on 08/05/2008, -2/+2"We have allowed the destruction of America as a free society."

      Speak for yourself.
    • azhura, on 08/05/2008, -3/+1I pick Obama! Wooo!!!! :)
  • dunderballer, on 08/05/2008, -3/+10The Whitehouse responded by denouncing the story as absurd and stating "Ron Suskind makes a living from gutter journalism. He is about selling books and making wild allegations that no one can verify."
    Actually Suskind was the senior national affairs reporter for the Wall Street Journal in 2000 and previously won a Pulitzer Prize for his work.
    • Waiting2awake, on 08/05/2008, -3/+11"The Whitehouse responded by denouncing the story"

      - Proof positive of its truthfulness.
    • nycmac247, on 08/05/2008, -1/+2LOL!!!11!!
  • kjizzle, on 08/05/2008, -3/+4Lies? From George W. Christ? Surely you jest
  • AdInventive, on 08/05/2008, -4/+3Journalist: "Bush and Co did something completely wrong and here's the proof."

    White House: "That journalist is full of ***** and is a liar."

    Nothing to see here folks.
  • Soldier1stClass, on 08/05/2008, -2/+2For some reason I saw ordered and forgery and combined them into ordered an orgy :-P and was like whats wrong with that?
  • Shiftgood, on 08/05/2008, -3/+2http://digg.com/world_news/Bombs_Found_Inside_WTC_ ...

    Total Hijack, but totally relevant... Im pretty sure this got burried by some people so it wont see the light of day.
    • LordKaT, on 08/05/2008, -3/+3No, it's not relevant, ***** for brains. Your conspiracy theory has not one ***** thing to do with actual evidence of an attempt to link Iraq to 9/11, you ***** waste of human consciousness.
      • kemp34, on 08/05/2008, -1/+2Wow. Intelligent reply.
      • nycmac247, on 08/05/2008, -1/+2OK - how about this news footage where the FBI tells reporters ON THE SCENE that there are extra Oklahoma City bombs in the building and that they are being defused after several - again, inside the building - have gone already gone off

        (about 1:15 into the video)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk
    • Anonchrist, on 08/05/2008, -1/+1How about not contaminating the credibility of potential evidence with an insane conspiracy theory that is commonly believed to be false.
      • dbizzell, on 08/05/2008, -0/+1Did you ever question Anthrax attacks? do you question them now? Did the public? does the public?
  • Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -1/+5In the flurry of books being released, we are hearing things that the country should have been aware of *years* ago - not when it is lucrative to get book contracts. These authors need to be put on the stand and questioned since they are so aware of crimes that took place. The fact that it seems to be a "conspiracy of the week" book club, with "***** of the week" writers who suddenly give a damn about the American nation and its public should piss everyone within voter range off.

    If you have enough information to write a book about it, you had enough to go to the judiciary.

    No more of this ***** without trials, discovery and subpeonas...the ones that cannot be ignored.
  • grneye53, on 08/05/2008, -1/+7all these books say the same thing about Bush but where were these ***** 7yrs ago when they really knew of this !
    • Caffeinate, on 08/05/2008, -0/+6Exactly my point grneye. Where were you, Mcclellan, when you could have stopped some of the atrocities - oh wait, you were busy taking marching orders and getting rich going along. Ron, it would have been great, not to mention *YOUR RESPONSIBILITY* if you knew about this and blew it off.

      Thanks for writing, but no thanks for saying nothing when it would have counted.
  • azhura, on 08/05/2008, -2/+2They would denounce anyone (Pope, Dhali Lama, etc.) if a word was said against their agenda.
    Though, I also could easily picture them saying, "And so what? What are you going to do about it?" So low has our head of state sunk in this 21st century...
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+0Did this fwad just compare W to the pope? And who'd denouncing whom? --scratching head
  • rearlgrant, on 08/05/2008, -1/+4I'm inclined to give some credence to Suskind's claims.

    What still amazes me is that, after twelve years of enforcing the no-fly zones, and essentially keeping Iraq under a magnifying glass, the Bush administration had the audacity to claim that Saddam could amass such a huge amount of WMDs, right under the nose of our military. That's similar to saying that the military fell asleep on the job, or that maybe they are incompetent -- I refuse to accept that they did or are.

    The fact that the initial Bush administration included members of the PNAC, the group who sent Clinton a letter in 1998 urging him to oust Saddam, also lends credibility to Suskind's allegations. The early Bush administration was made up of people who already had the burning desire to invade Iraq, and did whatever it took to further their agenda, at the cost of the lives of many U.S. soldiers, many more innocent Iraqis, and whatever remaining moral authority the United States had at the time.

    In my opinion, the gang responsible for the invasion should be charged with one count of murder for each U.S. soldier that has died in Iraq, and one additional count of murder for each innocent Iraqi citizen that has died as a result of the invasion.

    Republicans -- they just cannot be professional:
    http://us.macmillan.com/thewreckingcrew
  • Tantrum, on 08/05/2008, -2/+4Meh... sorry i just don't think there's anything left this administration can do that could possibly shock me.
  • chrismok, on 08/05/2008, -2/+7For those who think this is so far fetched, and that the government would never
    lie to the people: Watch - The Power of Nightmares by Adam Curtis. Then come back here with a straight face and repeat the Criminal Effluent coming out of Dana Perino's cake hole.

    archive.org - Search for: The power of Nightmares

  • trollick, on 08/05/2008, -7/+3It's in a book, it must be true.
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+3Repeat the Bush pattern. Deny the corruption, deny the war mongering, deny the incompetence, deny the disregard for the constitution, deny the torture, then attack and discredit the messenger. Paul O'Neal, Richard Clark, Colin Powell, Scott McClellan. Now claim they all hate America. Rinse & Repeat.
  • gweller, on 08/05/2008, -4/+2If this truth is so important and so real why wasn't it exposed without having to make money off of it?
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2Ah, another part of the pattern. Sure another member of the Bush Administration has called him out for his crimes, but he got paid for the book. It must be false.

      Move along. Nothing to see here. The surge is working. the surge is working.

      Repeat the Bush pattern. Deny the corruption, deny the war mongering, deny the incompetence, deny the disregard for the constitution, deny the torture, then attack and discredit the messenger. Paul O'Neal, Richard Clark, Colin Powell, Scott McClellan. Now claim they all hate America. Rinse & Repeat.
      • gweller, on 08/05/2008, -0/+0I couldn't give a rat's ass about the Bush administration. The only pattern being repeated here is that Bush lied and created 9/11. People will say and do anything for money, which is why I have a hard time believing anyone's words when they are paid quite a bit to write them.
  • ErickStevenson, on 08/05/2008, -0/+2I agree to some argument on why do they only talk about this stuff now? Profit? Maybe, can't argue there. But now seems to be the best time, do you think anyone would believe this guy if he release this during the height of the Administrations hold on the country? Most likely not as many people would, and the media would surely help discredit this. Now with the current position of the administration, would people believe this man now? Well I wouldn't say 100% but this would atleast attract more attention and more scrutiny than before and not be brushed aside so easily, seeing what the administration has been doing lately.

    For me, I really don't care if they release any new info about the corruption of the Bush Administration now or some time in the near future, as long as we get the truth, more people's eyes will be open and we can hopefully make sure this does not happen again.
    Who knows, maybe with enough of these coming out, our new government will have the balls to charge someone with these crimes. I sure as hell don't see McCain touching the Bush and Co. with a 1000 feet pole anytime in his future.
  • krnldmp, on 08/05/2008, -1/+5All the people saying the Bush Administration will never be prosecuted, I have some questions for you. Why do you want USA to fail? Are you getting paid by the government? Are you from another country?

    This country IS the rule of law and it is no stronger than You.
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+3The reason we love Amerca is the Ideals for which America stands.

      This president has pissed on just about every one of those ideals
  • MarkEarhart, on 08/05/2008, -1/+3People this has nothing to do with partisanship. They are all vicious sadistic liars who are pawns of the NWO. Vote for anything other than a Democrat of Republican!!
  • LoneRanger85, on 08/05/2008, -5/+4Book Says Tornado Carried Girl to Land of Oz.

    You people are an endless source of amusement. Despite being snookered TWICE last week with the McClellen talking-points story and the bogus Obama note-in-the-Western-Wall story, you'll still believe anything that is anti-American.
    Oh, and it was Obama, who first compared himself to Paris Hilton, back in 2005.

    "There's nothing exotic or complicated about how phenoms are made in Washington, and, more to the point, how they are broken. Andy Warhol said we all get our 15 minutes of fame. I've already had an hour and a half. I mean, I'm so overexposed, I'm making Paris Hilton look like a recluse."

    Make that three times. Hatred makes you stoopid.
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+5Neo-Con Logic recap:

      The wizard of Oz was a book.
      The wizard of Oz was not true.
      Ron Suskin wrote "The Way of the World" which is also a book.
      "The way of the World" must be false.

      LOL

      Repeat the mantra... it will work. Democrats hate America. Compare Obama to Paris Hilton. Obama hates our troops.

      Move along. Nothing to see here. The surge is working. the surge is working.

      Repeat the Bush pattern. Deny the corruption, deny the war mongering, deny the incompetence, deny the disregard for the constitution, deny the torture, then attack and discredit the messenger. Paul O'Neal, Richard Clark, Colin Powell, Scott McClellan. Now claim they all hate America. Rinse & Repeat.
      • LoneRanger85, on 08/05/2008, -4/+2First of all, do you even know what neocon means? (for you digger kids, NEOCON: a former liberal who became a conservative.)

        Second, repeating mantras is what liberals DO. The government blew up the WTC, Bush lied, and on and on and on.

        Rinse and repeat? It is liberals whose brains are washed.
        Now that you've attacked me, how about attacking what I said? Did you liberals or did you not fall for THREE false stories last week? If you were fish, you'd all be laying on the bottom of a boat, because you swallow the hook every time.
      • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+2Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: neoconservatism

        U.S. political movement. It originated in the 1960s among conservatives and some liberals who were repelled by or disillusioned with what they viewed as the political and cultural trends of the time, including leftist political radicalism, lack of respect for authority and tradition, and hedonistic and immoral lifestyles. Neoconservatives generally advocate a free-market economy with minimum taxation and government economic regulation; strict limits on government-provided social-welfare programs; and a strong military supported by large defense budgets. Neoconservatives also believe that government policy should respect the importance of traditional institutions such as religion and the family. Unlike most conservatives of earlier generations, neoconservatives maintain that the United States should take an active role in world affairs, though they are generally suspicious of international institutions, such as the United Nations and the World Court, whose authority could intrude upon American sovereignty or limit the country's freedom to act in its own interests. See also conservatism.
      • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+3To disambiguate from neo-con for you... A true conservative would not have posted a half trillion dollar budget defect. A true conservative would not have spied on american citizens private phone calls without a warrant or a court order, and a true conservative would not have lied and forged his way in to invading a soverign nation. The rest of your tirade is a hateful simplistic rant, constructed of silly straw man positions that you can take up with another Digger.
  • Sternsgang, on 08/05/2008, -2/+1This is what the great Abraham Lincoln said about traitors: "Congressman who willfully take actions during wartime that damage the morale are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged". We need a great President like Lincoln again to deal with all the people like Ron Suskind who are undermining our troops and putting them in danger.
  • exgop, on 08/05/2008, -4/+1If its negative about Bush it must be true, If its negative against Oblah-blah its racist or a lie. Come on people do you really belive this crap?
    • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -1/+4Uhm, which "crap"? That Ron Suskind interviewed officials in the CIA that reported the Bush Administration was attempting to undermine intelligence reports that there wasn't a connection between Saddam Husein and Osama Bin Laden?

      I'm going to have to say yes.

      That Dick Cheney set up an entire intelligence gathering apparatus of his own, outside the CIA, and reporting up through the military chain of command to him in attempt to show that there actually were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that Saddam had a role in 9/11?

      Or the report that the white house wanted the CIA to forge documents to achieve those ends?

      Uhm, Not sure which part of that you think is hard for us to believe.
  • pentomino, on 08/05/2008, -1/+2Not dugg, because even in this administration, this is an extraordinary claim, and as such requires some extraordinary proof.
  • Cherry82, on 08/06/2008, -0/+0The power of Nightmares...i looked it up and send it to everybody
  • cowleyad, on 08/06/2008, -0/+0I hope they don't get to Imaginationland too!
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