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- tamman2000, on 09/25/2009, -31/+571I read this dailykos comment on the far left side... I think it sounds like a great idea:
"I have this idea. It's pretty simple and I think it will appeal to a lot of people.
Here it is.
I want every uninsured man and woman who comes down with swine flu to go sit in the waiting rooms of their elected representatives.
That's it. Just sit there - coughing. Throwing your used Kleenex in their trash receptacles. If they want us to suffer, they should have to look at at the logical consequences of their inaction. Tell them you're going to keep coming back until they manage to pass something that's actually going to help people instead of lining the pockets of the insurance companies.
If the weather gets cold, set up a tent in the parking lot, put a sign on it that says "Waiting Room: Waiting for Affordable Health Care." Set up your lawn chairs and invite everyone who passes to sit there with you. Be sure to call your local media."
It sure makes it real. - fiatjustitia, on 09/26/2009, -36/+249Republicans want a barely living wage-slave society with a substandard level of existence. They want to bring this country all the way back to the dark ages.
It's up to every single one of us to ensure that it doesn't happen. - Borstal, on 09/26/2009, -11/+220In Canada you could just walk to a walk-in clinic and get a prescription of antibiotics or w/e they would use for this for free all paid for by everyone in canada. You know why? Because we believe in one simple ideaology. That one human life IS worth us spending tax dolars on a health care system that doesn't single out who gets treatement or not.
- fadeout, on 09/26/2009, -10/+202"There's no reason her or her parents couldn't have paid for the treatment."
Even a simple ER visit can cost thousands of dollars.
You have some ugly lessons to learn about real life when you move out of mommy's house. - Elsewhere42, on 09/25/2009, -23/+207Wow... the irony.
- dafragsta, on 09/26/2009, -10/+131What's so funny is that they've convinced the WORKING CLASS out of all ***** people that they want this lifestyle.
- neognostic, on 09/26/2009, -8/+123If ignorance is bliss @mehan, you should be downright filled with glee.
- MaxxusFlamus, on 09/26/2009, -7/+113"One of Young's jobs was at Oxford's Bagel and Deli Shop."
I don't know what bagel shops you work at...but thousands of dollars is not something that is easily saved up when you work at a bagel shop.
When fadeout says thousands of dollars we're not talking 2,000 or 3,000. It may be tens of thousands.
Especially when her condition began to advance just prior to kidney failure- that type of hospital stay can run well into the tens of thousands, likely into the hundreds of thousands. Find me a middle class family that has that kind of cash to sling.
Ron Paul's campaign manager died of Pneumonia. His hospital stay ran up to $400,000
Of course the bury brigade killed it before the story got anywhere but here it is again for good measure.
http://digg.com/d314u3c
A few grand would've been great. They could've gotten her braces or something.... - XopherMV, on 09/26/2009, -3/+105Make sure to pronouce GOP leader John Boehner's name correctly. Remember, when two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking.
- bkraj, on 09/26/2009, -7/+102If a 22 year old person didn't die, I would think this is hilarious.
However since she did, it moves to being ***** tragic. We need to stop having people die needlessly for fear of medical bills. - OrangeBob, on 09/26/2009, -5/+100That reminds me of a comment Stephen Colbert made when talking with a guest about homeless people. He said something like, "If they don't want to be homeless, why don't they all just get their own TV show like me?" Of course, he was being sarcastic. You're just being a dumbass.
- lydiasky, on 09/25/2009, -31/+112And there I was hoping that it was him that died from Swine Flu...
- deus216, on 09/26/2009, -6/+83America spends as much of their GDP as we do here in Canada. Our healthcare is free.
How WTF is that?
I don't understand how people can think there isn't something seriously wrong with their healthcare system down there. - EarlOfLade, on 09/26/2009, -17/+92This is a situation only found in third world countries and not in first world developed countries. When it comes to providing health care for it's citizens, USA *IS* a third world country!
- kurisu10, on 09/26/2009, -7/+76I worked so many jobs in my early twenties that had piss-poor insurance or none at all. They were mostly food service jobs or retail jobs that offered little or nothing to a part-time employee. I, as well as other co-workers, would come down with strep throat or the flu and try and fight it off on our own, not being able to afford a doctor's visit. It's either the doctor, or the rent, for most of us.
Eventually it caught up to me, and my boss. He went to the ER for pneumonia, whereas I wound up with a strep infection that put me out of work for 2 1/2 months and netted me emergency surgery that I couldn't afford. There's a serious problem with health care in this country. There are SO MANY people you see every day who can't afford health insurance. Anyone who wants to defend the system as it is is only looking out for their own best interest and causing others to fail to see the truth. People die unnecessarily every day from being denied insurance or from being unable to afford it. - smashTasker, on 09/26/2009, -50/+114GOP indirectly killed this person
- eliot2000, on 09/26/2009, -5/+68It wasn't like: "Oh! I am going to die, or I can go to the doctor's office, whichever shall I do?"
It was probably more like: "I feel like crap, kind of worried. CNN keeps talking about Swine Flu. Doubt it's that. It's probably nothing. Mom would want me to get it checked out, but I don't want to spend the next four years paying for something I could have gotten over with a little chicken soup. I'll give it another three days, and if I'm not better I'll see a doctor.
Next time it could be someone you love having to make this decision. If we reform health care, people don't have to make these choices, and we all pay less in the long run. - Borstal, on 09/26/2009, -4/+61We have enough drugs to service people in Canada. In fact we spend less on health care a year then you guys do and its a more efficient system. Oh boo hoo I have to drive 45 minutes to Vancouver if i want NON LIFE THREATNING surgery or something a specialist needs to do. So what? I don't pay for most of it and usually the government of Canada will even pay you if its a rare surgery.
Oh, and pick any US city close the canadian border and you will get US citizens going across it to get free healthcare. Seriously don't try to troll our system I would rather have this then letting your own fellow coutnrymen die because they couldn't afford healthcare, what a selfish ***** you are. - FadieZ, on 09/26/2009, -25/+82I don't know about this. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm Canadian and fully support universal health care -- but to politicize someone's death just seems wrong.
Of course saying this on Digg will no doubt get me buried (OH GOD WHAT WILL I DO), but this reminds me of when the Vtech shooting happened and the media immediately jumped on Gun Control and videogames instead of mourning the dead. FFS, give his family a little bit of privacy before turning this into another ***** healthcare debate. - danydral, on 09/26/2009, -16/+68boehner is simply a hypocrite junk.
- footbag01, on 09/26/2009, -15/+65If I died of an injustice, I would have no problem with people using me as an example.
- Tyrghast, on 09/26/2009, -10/+59A view shared by most people outside the GOP.
The strong liberal bias of reality would blow the most Republicans minds. - jshhmr, on 09/26/2009, -1/+49My local news paper once had a headline that said "No relief in sight for Boehner." I should have sent it to Leno!
- niradg, on 09/26/2009, -5/+52yup. which is why universal coverage is important.
- eliot2000, on 09/26/2009, -2/+49Hardware: It's always someone else, until it's you.
Regarding the higher cost of health insurance in the UK and the increased inefficiency of Medicare, you do make a strong point, but your point is made slightly weaker by the fact that you pulled those assertions out of your ass or deliberately distorted information. A couple corrections:
"In England, NHS costs 11% of everyone's income."
Yes it does. But you don't mention that in the US it would be fricking awesome to pay 11% of our income for insurance. We pay more. Much more.
SOURCE: http://medicynic.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/zrcli ...
"Look how fiscally responsible Medicare has been."
If you're trying to make the case against public option insurance, doing so by asking people to check out how efficient Medicare has been is a BAD way to do that. Medicare is WAY more efficient than private insurance. Covering the same customers, Medicare spends 2% on administrative costs, versus 11% with private insurers.
SOURCE: http://institute.ourfuture.org/files/Jacob_Hacker_ ...
So if it's so efficient, it must be a horrible cheap plan that people dislike, right? Wrong. People like Medicare better than private insurance.
SOURCE: http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/i ...
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/i ... - Cowicide, on 09/26/2009, -4/+50Yeah, but...
America!! NUMBER ONE!!! F' YEAH!!!
[cow hangs head and scuttles away] - pleen, on 09/26/2009, -4/+50That sounds like a great idea, since there are exactly as many jobs available which offer health insurance as there are people looking for one.
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -21/+66dugg for boner.
- thinkb4utype, on 09/26/2009, -11/+55Left out of the story is the fact that she did go to an urgent care facility where she got something for the pain and was sent home. It was later that she got worst and her roommate took her to the nearby hospital. They air evacuated her to the university hospital for critical treatment. She died there last Tuesday after having the flu for 2 weeks. (It's all in the article.)
So, even though she didn't have insurance, she was treated at three medical facilities. If there is a story here, it's that the H1N1 flu shouldn't be taken lightly by people in this age group.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/re ... - MaTT2011, on 09/26/2009, -3/+45He needs to stop pretending that oeh = ah , its definitely pronounced boner. Which his hilarious considering such a word perfectly describes his policies.
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -4/+46I really hope you're joking.
Because that is the dumbest response to that idea that anyone could possibly come up with. - footbag01, on 09/26/2009, -17/+58And in not getting treatment, directly increased the risk for everyone else.
- THETEH, on 09/26/2009, -5/+43Unfortunately not all procedures are as cheap as whatever you had done at the clinic. Maybe this woman was in a very tight financial spot and thought she'd "get over" her flu-like symptoms. The point is that, in America, many people face choices like the one she had to face. For whatever reason, insurance companies refuse to cover them. So when they get sick, they must either (a) try to pay out of their own pocket, which can be extremely expensive and could potentially bankrupt them or (b) go without healthcare. Insurance company reforms and a public option would help protect people from having to face that unfortunate decision.
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -5/+42Do you really think it's appropriate to force people into bankruptcy in order to maintain their health?
- portnoy, on 09/26/2009, -4/+40My sister in law died at the age of 24 from a severe case of not having health insurance. Indirect cause of death was a disease that otherwise could have been easily managed.
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -6/+41Wegg, with no government regulation there'd be probably 2 health insurance companies, and they would dictate what rates and what they would cover. and guess what, it wouldn't be in our favor. Yes, the government meddles and screws up. But don't pretend that the "free market" would even remotely work in the insurance world.
- footbag01, on 09/26/2009, -2/+36Agree! Just because you are covered doesn't mean the uncovered aren't a risk to you.
- algaeturd, on 09/26/2009, -3/+36@khaki54...
You're RETARDED.
First of all, urgent care costs $75 WITH insurance. Without insurance, it's a ***** more than that. There are tests, potential lab work, any kind of prescription you might get. If you have something like the flu, you'd be into $500 before you left the building. EASILY.
You clearly know next to nothing about getting treatment for illnesses.
Part two: You're retarded again. Did you see where she was located? Did you check on the locations of the CVS MinuteNow clinics?
Jesus ***** Christ you idiots can't open your mouths without proving how uneducated you are. It's a simple fact:
You don't know anything about what you're blabbering about and you didn't even bother to check the facts of the story.
1. Where did she live?
2. Where is the closest location for a CVS clinic?
"OMG. She lived in Ohio so she must be a few minutes from Columbus or Cleveland. DEERRRRRRR......" Learn some geography and learn to check facts.
= You're uneducated, retarded or both. You simply don't get it. Just like all of your other ilk who don't bother to check facts or specifics before you run your uneducated mouths.
3. It's $69 to see a nurse. To SEE a NURSE. To basically walk in and say, 'Hi. I'm sick.' Anything beyond that (tests, treatments, care) is going to be a ***** extra on top of that measly $69.
You neither understand nor care about what you're talking about. You get on here to prove how very little you know about what you're speaking of apparently. It's gross.
Get an education. Learn to comprehend facts when you read something and learn to logically process them.
I have a 6-year-old son who is better at understanding facts and logic than you are if this is all you've got. No kidding. Go back to school. It's embarrassing to even watch this ***** happen in America. - Lok52, on 09/26/2009, -5/+37And one of the reasons that ER visits are so expensive is all the people with no insurance that use them as a doctor's office. An aspirin doesn't cost $80 because that hospital paid that, it costs that because of the huge number of people that they have to see (by law, and recommended by GWB remember) in their ERs that have no insurance and can't pay their bills.
- crichton101, on 09/26/2009, -2/+30@hardwarehank
What about the people that can't afford $100,000 hospital bill? What if they can't afford to go into debt? What if their choice is either to go into debt, lose their house, their car, and with the high debt they lose their ability to care for their family, or they can just not go to the hospital, possibly die.
You obviously have a decent amount of money, I'm going to guess more than I have. I would be screwed over for life if I had to find a way to pay $100,000 medical bill. Hell, I would be screwed for several years if I had a $10,000 medical bill, probaly a decade or more to pay it off. Not to mention, if I had to be hospitalized for a while, and couldn't work, I may lose my job, or be left unable to work. And then I'm even more royally screwed.
It would be wonderful if no one had to worry about that, if everyone had money, but the fact of the matter is, few Americans can afford a $100,000 medical bill, few Americans can afford a $50,000 medical bill. And with out some form of insurance, few Americans could pay off a $20,000 medical like it was a small expense.
We absolutely need a public option for healthcare, in the same exact way that we need public schools, and police officers, and a post office. Do you want to defund public schools as well? I mean really, why should you pay for the education of someone else's child right?
Funny thing about public schools, there are still very successful private schools. Just like the public school system, there needs to be a public institution for healthcare, not just private institutions. Currently insurance companies can deny a person's claim because they feel it will cost them too much money. My mother was undergoing cancer treatment and had shots that cost $2000 for each dose. My parents wouldn't have been able to afford it without insurance. Yes, they would've paid it if they could, but they weren't rich, and still aren't rich, and can't afford to take on that kind of debt. And neither can the vast majority of Americans. - DDRSkata, on 09/26/2009, -2/+29All these neocons ignored the ***** out of the first sentence so they could quibble over the use of the word "free." We spend more than Canada on health care. Just because the money goes to a private company instead of the government doesn't make it better. More money is being spent, but not everyone is covered, and the insurance companies are free to drop your coverage when you get sick, no refund, no care.
Why do you want to pay more money to not help other people out and ***** yourself over when you really need it? How is that logical? Because you would rather hand your money to greedy fatcats than the government? You guys are all ***** idiots. Just giant, raging morons with no humanity at all. - eugenetabisco, on 09/26/2009, -0/+25khaki54 -- you obviously have a hard time comprehending...
FTA: Young, a previously healthy 2008 graduate of Miami University of Ohio who lived in Oxford, was diagnosed with swine flu and pneumonia. A few days later, her roommate's mother told a local news channel, she went to an urgent care center. But as her condition continued to worsen, she was reluctant to go to Oxford's McCullough-Hyde Hospital to get proper treatment.
She did go to urgent care and was already easily diagnosed. She was afraid to be admitted to a hospital because she couldn't afford it. When people are afraid to go to a hospital because they think they will be financially ruined, then we have a problem. Your $62 CVS solution isn't one. - timo1teo, on 09/26/2009, -2/+27because you're ***** retarded, *****
- NegativeDigg, on 09/26/2009, -3/+27Yeah, because anyone right now can get a job specially with benefits. Damn freeloaders!...
/s - DDRSkata, on 09/26/2009, -1/+24Right. How dare she be so irresponsible as to get sick while not being rich!
- GBPACKGB, on 09/26/2009, -0/+23Beck? You mean the guy who was for the bailout before he was against it? And who said our healthcare system was "a nightmare" before he called it "the best in the world?" And who called the president a racist? And who pretended to toss a frog into a pot of boiling water?
Loon is a bit of an understatement. - Morchades, on 09/26/2009, -1/+24(Posted this below, but for the sake of third party observers I'll answer it here too)
That says precisely what the TPM article says. She went to an Urgent Care Clinic, which is not the same as going to get in-depth care. Those places are for problems too serious to wait until the practitioner's office opens but not serious eneough for an emergency room. They will send you home with some symptom treatment and tell you to contact your regular doctor in the morning (for an injury) or if symptoms persist for more than a few days (for things like cold and flu symptoms, so this is most likely what she was told).
Obviously, when the medicine didn't clear up the symptoms and she was supposed to see a general practitioner, she didn't because she couldn't afford it. That turn for the worse may never have happened if she had sought in-depth care.
And even if it wasn't actually H1N1, it was still something that KILLED HER, and is therefore a serious illness. - eadint, on 09/26/2009, -2/+24Hey genius
The person did have a job working for a Republican representative who didn't think it necessary to provide insurance to his employees. isnt it interesting that anyone that doesn't fit into your little world is a freeloader even if that person is a working member of the GOP, do you understand what hypocrisy is or do you just have an iq of 20
mehan, please do not procreate, the word has enough retards. - GBPACKGB, on 09/26/2009, -1/+23Yes. Please don't bother in the future.
- suz123nj, on 09/26/2009, -2/+24i love the idea.
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