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- siszam, on 10/12/2007, -16/+52Would you be so luck if you were one of the tens of thousand permanently disabled or killed because a recruiter lied to you or because you were stop lossed? My son is a Marine and trust me, not everyone has the rosy experience you have had. It is our duty to protect our young men and women. Not lead them to slaughter. Every American knows of the Armed Service. They can find their way to a recruiter without being harassed and preyed upon by them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25I love recruiters! Here's my story of when a recruiter called me....
{phone rings}
Me: "Hello"
Recruiter: "Hello Mr. ****** my name is ****** and I"m calling from the local army recruiting office. I was wondering if you'd ever given any thought to your future after High School?"
Me: "Yes actually, my future after high school will involve not getting shot."
Recruiter: "Well Mr. ****** we at the US Army value the safety of all our recruits. Have you ever given thought to a career in the military?"
Me: "You guys don't want me. I've got hair down to my ass and I'm not cutting it."
Recruiter: "Mr. ****** do you have a job right now?"
Me: "At the moment I live with my parents, so not really. I'm a free-lance musician, and play around small little venues locally for money but not much else."
Recruiter: "You know the Army is looking for guitar players...."
Me: "................. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" {click}
Man... I was a little ***** in High School. I cut my hair and have a respectable job now, but how on earth do they expect to recruit little ***** know-it-all teenagers by cold-calling them like that? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24I decided to join in Army when I was in high school. However, the local recruiter was an ass and was so inaccurate that it almost made me cringe when I actually researched it. Granted it was years ago but I liked my life in the army but I made my decision in concert with my parents. The government should not be have people harassing and preying upon kids who aren't even allowed to drink. The kids and parents can find the recruiter themselves.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -11/+27@siszam:
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but just because you get sent an invitation to join the military or a military recruiter calls you doesn't mean you have to accept the offer. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26"Thank you teachers for giving my name to the Coast Guard. Best decision I ever made."
So the best decision YOU ever made was to have someone else making a decision on your behalf without consulting you at all?!
You're a ***** deluded *****!!! - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I often hear many ex-people say that the military was the worst thing to ever happen to them.
- neokyotodragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@masamunecyrus
the problem is it usually isn't just one invitation and it doesn't matter if you say no...they spam you to death... - lickmygiggle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18"I often hear many ex soldiers say the military was the best thing that ever happened to them."
the rest are dead, for no reason. - SundayTrain, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15ASVAB tests were mandatory when I was a senior in 92' here in Tucson Az. Those who protested it were in the same "click" I was. Skaters and punks and nerds who dressed in black trench coats. Some of us protested by writing peace signs on the asvab test pages. I actually, looking for a challenge took the test seriously just to see what the result would be. I scored high in comprehension and logic tests but did average in the mathematics scores. I attended a poorly ranking school in a poverty stricken area. However, we all knew we would be hounded by the recruiters but we still had a choice. My Sat scores were terrible and I never knew that I would ever amount to anything because of the stigma of growing up in a poor Hispanic neighborhood. I did not even qualify for the standards to attend the university of Arizona...
The navy called me and became my only option foreseeable in my future. They offered me a chance to qualify for the OCS and after much hard work I made it. After two years I worked as a liaison with the army in fort huachuca AZ as an intelligence analyst. My first book assigned to me was Schneider's book on cryptography and I was able to learn not only cryptographic fundamentals but core languages likes assembler and C+. I then developed software for raytheon guidance systems and then entered one of the first RSA contests to break 64 bit encryption. I worked for the NSA as a consultant on low level analysis for eight years and now work in the private sector. If it was not for the NAVY, I would have never been given a chance given my low SAT scores. It took some out of the box thinking to see my potential. So mandatory or not, you still have a choice. This war is a mess but if you play your cards right it can be a benefit.Despite President Bush and the public disagreements. We still havemust have faith in democracy and god bless America for all the rights and beliefs this country was founded on. - Mardala, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yes and No. If a school is to receive any funding from the government, above 10% IIRC, then they are required to release information about students academic record, family information (like what the mother and father do, their income class, etc.) ... This is part of "No Child Left Behind".
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9allow me to introduce you to the reply button...he is your friend
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10thats where those ***** got my phone number. I hate when they used to call my house and pressure me into answering question. ***** recruiters!
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8thank you for you insight, mr. recruiter.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Not all schools are like that. Many refuse to acknowledge your information is being handed over.
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yeah, the military recruiters aren't the worst of it. If you go to most public universities these days they COMPLETELY sell you out. They release all your info to anyone flashing some cash. At the school I went to for grad school I used my cell phone (which was my only phone at the time) on my registration and a few week later I got *****-loads of people calling on my cell phone asking if I wanted to consolidate student loan debt or donate money to the university. About a month later I started getting a a torrent of credit card applications in my new apartment (which was not my registered address for anything but the university and utilities). Schools (be it k-12 or higher) don't even treat your information as well as Best Buy. I hate that crap. I wish you could give the personal information of all the school administrators to a bunch of stop-at-nothing telemarketers just to see how much they like it.
It used to be if you said "I'm not interested, take me off your list" they would say "okay, have a nice day." Now the ***** say "sure, why not. Now, have you heard about . . . "
The bottom line is, if someone is calling your house trying to sell you something (anything) they are trying to take your money/freedom away from you. This is the most impolite thing they could do, and yet, they prey on the fact that people are good natured and agreeable. You don't have to be nice. Treat them like *****. Tell them how much you want to ***** their mother . . . that usually gets them off the phone faster than "take me off your list." - PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Anybody who calls me at 7am better be 1) in a horrible auto accident, 2) dying, 3) telling me that I've just won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes, or 4) have some other Goddamn GOOD reason for bothering me that early. I've had solicitors do that on the weekends, and they get an even terser reply than normal.
- 4g3nt_Smith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I constantly get called by them at the moment. I pick up say, "You're basically a telemarketer and I'm on the do-not-call list, therefore do it again and I'll be taking this up with someone higher than you." They always apologize and say they'll make note not to call again. Then a week later someone else from the same recruiter office calls at 7 am and I get to do the dance all over again.
- sampowers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'm a sysadmin responsible for maintaining a school district's database/information system. Due to policy or Oregon state law or some other reason, we have a form among all of our district wide registration forms allowing the parent to choose whether or not the student's name is disclosed to military recruiters. If the form is not filled out, we have the default flag set to keep the information private when a school administrator runs the list off for recruiters.
What about a bill to stop military recruiters from being so aggressive and manipulative? That's a real problem. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I hung up on the asswipe that called me. He was trying to convince me not to go to college.
Worthless sacks of *****... - inactive, on 10/17/2007, -3/+8When was that? The rate they're dying in Iraq, they'd accept anyone now. Hell, they even call the families of dead soldiers to get them to reenlist.
- undresedmonster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I work for a school district and according to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) it is required that all parents receive notice each year about how they can NOT have their child's name, address, etc. released to military recruiters. This is called "Directory Information" and if parent's don't sign the waiver form, they are automatically "allowing" the release of their child's Directory Information. It's "opt-in" by default.
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/reg/ferpa/rights_pg17.html#subpartd - Lax32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Good luck doing anything about it. Schools can block out recruiters, but then there goes federal funding...
I hate getting calls from them honestly. I respect the military and anyone in it, including recruiters, but every time I get a call that says "US Government" and I pick up and hear "Whats up man, how you doin tonight?" like this guy is my best friend, I know that Im going to have to waste 10 minutes of my life convincing this guy I dont wanna join the army. Wouldnt bother me so much if it didnt happen about 10 times already. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6No Child Left Behind, My Ass. Recruiters are scum. They threaten kids with arrest or they make promises that they can't keep. Once you're in, it's your word against theirs.
- WorfoSAUR, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I think that somewhere it is required that schools release student's names to the govt. The bill will obviously get shot down..
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm in High School...
At the beginning of the year they send out a flyer and there are about 10 boxes you can check that say "do/don't send my info to______________" - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure the do-not-call list applies to gov't calls...
- eclipseyue, on 10/17/2007, -0/+3I have health issues so I actually can't go into the military. I knew this. Some local recruiters kept calling me and calling me, so eventually I decided I'd take their stupid test thing to see if I 'qualified' I may be wrong on the times, but I think I got an hour to do it. Took me fifteen minutes, and I beat both of the recruiters final scores. Then when I told them I had health issues they got crushed looks. It was great. So school, please don't give my phone number out. It's really annoying to get these calls.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"you wouldn't be here saying this crap without them"
that argument is really getting old. iraq has nothing to do with our ability to speak or exist. face it, the majority are the wars we have fought in the past 50 years have been either for ideological or economic interests. unless someone is about to board our shores from both oceans and take over the country, our ability to speak or exist is not threatened. i'm really tired of pro-military people using that line as if it's because of the military that life can exist. you know what you are to your precious commander? a number. a statistic. perfectly expendable to further corporate and ideological interests while they give you less body armor and cut back your VA coverage. you know who really cares about your lives? the anti-war people. - dohidied, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Good. I didn't like having to explain to a recruiter why I didn't want to kill my fellow man for corporate profits.
- Mortiferous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is very weird. I'm 17 and this very night I got a call from a woman representing the military. She had a sweet voice. She questioned my plans after high school and whether or not i had enough money for college. When i told her i worked at a grocery store she stated that i probably didn't make as much money as I'de like. She asked if i'de ever considered the military. When i told her that i had not she asked why. I told her that I "really didn't like guns." With this she responded that I'de get used to them. I then asked her if the call was necessary and when she tried to run a circle and change the subject i hung up with a " Thank you"
- chase001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Military recruiters are right on par with sexual predators in stalking children.
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You walk past those guys and they start handing you stickers and pens and stuff..it's really creepy...
The worst part is they target the minorities....I walked past a group the other day and they didn't have a single brochure in English...and they had bumper stickers that said "Yo soy el Army"(I took 2) - codye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@PopcornDave: Interesting concept. One answers the phone, hears offer, and then decides whether to listen further or hang up. Revolutionary, I say.
Everyday I come a little bit closer to accepting the government's role in micromanaging our lives because individuals today can't seem to handle even the most basic of tasks such as hanging up a telephone.
The future is going to suck. - jchen738, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I got calls like that when I was a junior in High school barely even 16.. it was bad.. i'd get those calls everyday for months. they'd tell me that I had one of the highest scores on their 'assessment tests' They wanted to recruit me for the air force. Trust me I was no where near interested in the military.. shoot. I had a problem with listening to my parents.. why in the world would I want to subject myself to some prick ***** telling to drop and give him/ her 20. eff' all that noise. I'd even tell the guy.. my dad would rather kill me then see me go to the military. So the ***** recruiter said that he'd straighten up my dad.. one day my dad did pick up the phone.. cursed the guy out.. threatened to go to his house beat the living ***** out of him.. then told the recruiter that he'd find all of his personal information, would call the police and make false accusations that I was being sexually harrassed.. it was pretty funny... i felt bad for the recruiter at that point.. but he got the general idea..
it was great... - fcra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Seems to me recruiters DID have a choice about their job.
- ozziegt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@goner
Nice, lol...I got 99 on the ASVAB and they did the exact same thing (you wanna be a nuclear engineer???)
Then after I was in school they asked me to join the reserves ("reservists never have to go fight, why don't you go ahead and sign up"). - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4protect our country from whom? the invading armies from canada? or mexicos mighty air force? or maybe iraq's massive navy. oh, right, saddam's wmd. funny how the favorite tool of the war-mongerer is fear-mongering.
- bagboyrebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I turned one of those forms in to my school and I still got calls from recruiters.
- jgrossma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"People with more than one felony are disqualified, as are drug addicts."
Not anymore,
"In February, the Baltimore Sun wrote that there was "a significant increase in the number of recruits with what the Army terms 'serious criminal misconduct' in their background" -- a category that included "aggravated assault, robbery, vehicular manslaughter, receiving stolen property and making terrorist threats." From 2004 to 2005, the number of those recruits rose by more than 54 percent, while alcohol and illegal drug waivers, reversing a four-year decline, increased by more than 13 percent." (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL) - grungegbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ahh.. I remember the days of being 17-21 years old.. Recruiters camping out in my backyard..
Calling you up, flagging you down at malls, they just don't seem to want to take no for an answer.
Seriously.. if anyone wants to be in the military they will join. Don't harass em. - eclipseyue, on 10/17/2007, -0/+2I can't recall exactly. i want to say at some point in 2004-early 2005. It was during my junior year of high school.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3just goes to show how our government views it's citizens as cannon fodder. they can't even afford to properly equip and protect the who are serving already, and they want to send more to die? in a war based on lies no less.
- Mardala, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Interesting. There is conflicting information on this:
"Congress has passed two major pieces of legislation that generally require local educational agencies (LEAs) receiving assistance under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA)1 to give military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as they provide to postsecondary institutions or to prospective employers. LEAs are also generally required to provide students' names, addresses, and telephone listings to military recruiters, when requested."
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/hottopics/ht-10-09-02a.html
Unless that also means if you sign the waiver to not disclose this info, other places you might want to send info to will not get it. - undresedmonster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Mardala
"Unless that also means if you sign the waiver to not disclose this info, other places you might want to send info to will not get it."
In our District, yes, this is the case. It is opt-out of everything (including university recruiters), or opt-in to everything (including military recruiters).
I've been told, though, that this is because our student information system isn't robust enough (yet) to allow for each student to pick and choose who the District sends their info to. But don't take my word for it, I'm just the webmaster ;D - Mardala, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am not a teacher, nor work for a school district so you know more than me =D
It would be nice to have it opted out by default, then sign a waiver on what you can volunteer info to. - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When the army and marine recruiters called me during my high school years (I graduated in '04) I would just instantly hang up on them. After a few calls they just stopped calling me.
- OwenX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Use the reply function.
- SpudgeBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"but it seems a bit ridiculous that the schools should send in the lists, can't they get this information from elsewhere?"
Apparently you haven't heard of No Child Left Behind.
The entire bill is setup for one section (9528) that calls for the public schools to give up this information or lose federal funding.
Read it for yourself
http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg112.html#sec9528
No Child Left Behind is about not leaving any able bodied children behind in the US since they are needed as cannon fodder in the Middle East. - SpudgeBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have served and this has nothing to do with Selective Services. This is about public schools being forced to turn over children's info, not 18 year olds. You need to do some research. In fact, I will bet you have no children. The No Child Left Behind act states that schools have to hand over the information of kids as young as middle school or lose government funding. Where I come from middle school aged children are 13-14 years old.
Take a look at section 9528 of No Child Left Behind. It is quite clear. No messy fussy words about it. Clear and concise.
http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg112.html#sec9528 - SpudgeBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No Child Left Behind calls for the information of middle school children's to be sent to recruiters. You know, 13 and 14 year old kids?
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