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- PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34truly the last of a dying breed: actual journalists
- IrishJoe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33The Corporate Mainstream Media was complicit in instigating the Iraq War, driving the US into bankruptcy, and destroying our nation’s image throughout the world by their lack of coverage of the Bush Administration. Future generations of Americans will look with sadness and disgust upon the Bush Administration but with utter hatred for the quisling Corporate Mainstream Media who aided and abetted them in damaging our great nation.
The MSM are the true traitors in America!
God bless you and thank you, Bill Moyers for blowing the whistle on these cowards and enemies of the America people! - toddcat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31god bless bill moyers...
- nomonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23I'm 39.
Ok... I'm going to start over. You have two kids, that's great. I hope they are happy and healthy. And good for you for taking care of them.
I just want to say this about the popular idea that college teachers make kids liberal... and I just want you to think about this... isn't it possible that EDUCATION is what makes people more liberal, not teachers?
This relatively recent tend to mock education, to show disdain for intelligence... it's really sad to me. People proud of ignorance? That's tragic. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Its been a long time since only the liberals hated this war and this administration.
- nomonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Wow. You fit a ton of ignorance in that one paragraph.
"Stupid kids who joined for the money, didnt expect to have to fight, now they wanna come home? big babies. I wouldnt have joined in the 1st place."
1. I refuse to believe you are one day older than 12.
2. If you are and you meant to imply that you have kids... god have mercy on their souls. They never had a chance... their absolute best case scenario is that they learn form you what NOT to grow up to be. - VeryAngryJim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15if you use itunes, HBO puts out a weekly podcast that is the audio of Maher's show in it's entirety. One of my favorite podcasts.
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Ah, I love the weekly excerpts from Real Time. Maher's show is becoming an institution like the Daily Show - your regular alternative media.
- rossmcd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13This episode airs Wednesday (April 25) at 9:00pm.
Check your local listings: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/about/airdates.html - nomonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14veryangryjim
"Irishjoe, I'm definitely not disagreeing with you, but doesn't it seem like that's changed in the past year or so? It seems to me like lambasting the bush administration is a nightly occurrence on most major news stations."
The craziest thing of all the media nonsense of the last several years is the obliteration of perspective.
One of the main goals of conservative strategists was to move the perception of what the middle was, to move the middle as far right as they could. They were wildly successful.
Not to make a political point, but they managed to make torture, wiretapping American citizens, detainment of American citizens without warrants... they managed to make all of those previously unthinkable things, thinkable, by acting like they were necessary and normal. And they got the media to go along.
To more specifically answer your question... a popular misperception of "balanced coverage" is that that means equal time covering the negatives of both parties... that is a ridiculous theory put forward by the right... "balanced coverage" means you cover whoever is ***** up regardless of party.
When Clinton was screwing interns it dominated the media... with Bush we have several MASSIVE scandals, any of which ten times worse than Watergate, which brought down a president... we have a manufactured war, manufactured evidence, thousands of deaths, a complete disaster in Iraq, with no possible good outcome, we have an attorney general pissing on the law, we have a vice president getting his own traitorous company billions in government contracts, making them the biggest war profiteers in history, oh, and no one even talks about the fact that he never managed to catch Osama anymore.... if it was Clinton he would already have been hung.
He got more grief over a blow job than Bush has for dismantling the constitution, the economy and the middle east... a situation one wouldn't have thought could get worse... but he found a way.
In other words... he is a historically disastrous president... the media treats him like a semi-rational, slightly incompetent yokel instead of the walking tragedy he is. - gip7478, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I'm 51 and I am a proud liberal....You sir are an idiot. Most Democrats today are what Republicans were in 1975! We are so far to the Right now that the real wing nuts are running the Government.
Richard Nixon proposed a health insurance plan in his administration that would be derided as socialism by our current crop of "Conservatives".
These "Conservatives" have:
Started an un-win-able war (a war that has helped the terrorists)
Ignored an environmental emergency (Climate change)
Sold our future to the Chinese for a buck
Made torture legal
Made us a laughing stock to the rest of the world
Broken our military
Run up huge deficits
Prostituted the Christian right and "Values" to raise the Corporation to "God like status"
Sold off our Media to a few Corporations
And been completely incompetent with damn near every government agency (cronyism gone mad)
If there are more thinking kids today on digg then god bless them, we need them because the boomers have made a FUBAR of everything!
OR maybe you should just shut up and drive your SUV!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Liberals aren't the reason your life sucks.
- slashdotted, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9- Moyers new PBS *weekly* show, too: every Friday night @ 9pm. (check local listings).
- VeryAngryJim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9well, I do agree with you that the media is extremely conservative.
- nomonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Yes, Keith is great. But he's a commentator, not a news anchor. He is supposed to editorialize. And the count is roughly him and maybe Jon Stewart vs. 50 conservatives.
the media has been strongly conservative for a long, long time.
but the republicans would really rather people believe it's liberal. - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9NEXT QUESTION
IF you are opposed to the state giving "handouts" as you say to others
what about that nice child tax break you get, do you take it or no? cause thats just a reason for ghetto hoes to get pregnant and collect right?? (using your logic of course) - nomonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"They teach kids to be good people, give to those less fortunate, and all that other bs."
Wow.
I'm back to feeling sorry for your kids. And their poor mother. Jesus.
Let me ask you this... if money is really your biggest concern...
This war is costing far, far more of your tax dollars than welfare. So if you can't give a ***** about dying soldiers why don't you think about the fact that if you took all the taxes you pay for the rest of your life, you won't end up covering one minute of the war. Have you even looked at the costs? Most people don't talk about it much because it seems crass next to dead kids, but I'm guessing that won't bother you.
So what about it? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It's not only the MSM media response to the Iraq war, the Iraq was is only part of the whole 'War on Terror/War of Terror' mythology. The basis of which is the 'New Pearl Harbor' of 9/11, it's a house of cards and until you expose the root cause of this political myth there can be no change in the MSM lies, distortion, obfuscation and inveiglement.
http://www.digg.com/world_news/War_on_Terror_looks_like_a_fraud_2
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html
http://www.digg.com/political_opinion/Scholars_debate_9_11_findings_2
http://www.digg.com/politics/911_Debunkers_Defend_War_Criminals_Liars_Mass_Murderers
- alen3K, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8kobewan0824 : stfu already
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6but no you cant take unemployment... your bitching and moaning on how you dont wanna pay taxes for these but than if something happens you fall back on it????
you need to get your beliefs straight if its good enough for you, its good enough for everyone , and i thought only us liberals would flip flop as you like to say.... - laceration, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm probably old enough to be your daddy, I went through a commie phase when I was in college and did get more conservative, but in a libertarian sense, as I got older. But the corruption and idiocy of our current gov't has substantiated left wing thought.
Joining the military does mean you may face combat. But does it mean you should face combat for fraudulent, senseless and stupid reasons? - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i would care more so about the war in IRAQ... and ending it.....
so i can stop paying these assinine prices on gas (wasnt this war supposed to lower gas prices)
so i can stop spending my money on a war to help people who dont want to be helped anymore (or to begin with depending on how you look at it)
how about this!
protest the war AND go to school AND get financial security??? (and work overnights) or can that not be a feasable option??(wait it can... im doing it) - Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What I find funny about how the media reacted is that, like most of the traits of todays politics and culture, it almost mirrors past events in our history. In the late 1890's, right before the Spanish-American war, there was "yellow journalism" (Citizen Kane was based on Randolph Hearst, a famous publisher of the time who told his illustrators "you give me the pictures, I'll give you the war). They portrayed the Spanish as savages, torturers of innocent women, and even secretly working on a massive navy to take Louisiana. Newspapers drummed up the enemy as evil with intentions of attacking us, despite a lack of any evidence of either. Sound familiar? As Twain puts it, "History never repeats itself, but it certainly rhymes." Oh, and leave liberalism or conservatism out of this. Partisan politics is killing this country. Does "divide and conquer" mean anything to you?
- VeryAngryJim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Go watch some Keith Olbermann, he rips Bush apart every chance he gets, and it's awesome. Also, almost every newscaster I watch has condemned the wiretapping and torture issues.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why are people arguing with someone who doesn't know how to use the ***** REPLY BUTTON!!!
I feel like I'm at the special olympics. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wouldnt it be nice if they had all PBS programming available on their website and let us all download the shows free. Too bad Bush cut their budget in half. They probably couldn't afford the bandwidth
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yeah i just realized the same thing, sorry for wasting your time DIGG but this asshat struck a nerve with his comments
- ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7wow you just made yourself look even more retarded than you already do
you dont like the way NJ is set up, get the ***** out i bet they dont want you there either
how you know your money isnt going to some family where the father has been layed off or lost his small business due to bushes *****(my father - used to own a car dealership, 6 figures+ a year) works real hard and if it wasnt for the state helping us along ATM we wouldnt even have a house anymore
so why dont you STFU about who is getting what money cause the facts are if you are a bum and you are a drug addict you wont get the funding you seek out cause they make sure you are LOOKING for a job if you arent, your funding is dropped
again STFU KOBEWAN its obvious you have NO IDEA what you are even talking about - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4like i said if you would READ
SOME people take advantage of it
if we didnt get the help we needed we would be HOMELESS
i know i sound morbid but i hope karma ***** with you and someday YOU need assistance from the state just to get by and are declined, see how much you like it - unloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And just to enforce it through his thick skull:
LEARN TO USE THE REPLY BUTTON, then forget how to use the Submit Comment button. - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6read my above post *****, it goes to families in need durring bad times, there are people who work the system but not the majority of the people collecting
- Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@kobewan0824
And you only have a mouth, neither heart nor brains. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Just a shot in the dark here, but I would assume that taking x-rays in NJ is not the best paying job. Therefore, you would probably fare better in a more progressive tax system, which would more likely happen during a democratic administration.
Heck, with two kids, you may qualify for the earned income tax credit that could put you into negative tax territory. Of course, if the republicans had their way, the eitc would have been done away with long ago. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6amen and use the reply button
- Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Taking a line from American History X, "what have you done to make your life better?"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"bittorrents?"
They Are a Publicly Funded Company, they least they can do is offer up a high quality torrent link on their site of complete seasons of shows so people like me without cable, can get a complete series without having to do a lot of searching around - rossmcd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You're still throwing up "left vs. right" smokescreens to dodge the issue. That issue, brought up by Moyers, is: what was the role of our media in the buildup to the Iraq war, and why? This question has implications about the way OUR country made (and will make) decisions about going to war. Denying the issue by attacking the messenger is intellectually dishonest, and if you're doing it then you've been sucked in to the partisan bickering that you seem to think that you're immune to.
- Ralfast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They just show the clips of people talking, if a certain commentator makes an ass out of himself is there for all to see and comment. Don't like the likes of Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly challenge, eh?
- smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@sherlockreport:
+1 insightful and +1 informative
"inveiglement":
1. to entice, lure, or ensnare by flattery or artful talk or inducements (usually fol. by into): to inveigle a person into playing bridge.
2. to acquire, win, or obtain by beguiling talk or methods (usually fol. by from or away): to inveigle a theater pass from a person.
-- i learned a new word today. =] - smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yea, the press has a civic duty to keep the public informed about important affairs. it is vital to the democratic process and a democracy cannot function without it. the fourth estate has been entrusted with tremendous power and responsibility in our society--the ability to shape the reality that most perceive. in order to effectively participate in government and politics, to keep the government in check and make sure that government officials are acting in our best interest, we need to be informed of what policies are being made and what our politicians are doing. this includes being informed when they screw up or when they betray our trust and the power that we give them. for this reason, i think a functional and free press is the second most important institution (the first is public education) in any free society. if the press fails to do its job, then we have the kind of corruption we have right now, where the bush administration has been able to repeatedly lie and manipulate the public, and implement whatever policies they feel like against the interest of the people, and the media doesn't make a peep about it.
this semester i was supposed to take a journalism class and be on the newspaper staff for my school. for my first story i wanted to write an editorial on the boston incident and how the war on terror has created a culture of fear that lets the government manipulate us, and also repress our freedom of expression, including creative expression by artists. however, the adviser for our paper acted completely uninterested in my proposal. instead, he wanted me to find a story about animals because there had recently been a story in the local paper about an escaped zoo animal, and he claimed that students would be more interested in that kind of story rather than one reporting on threats to our freedom. even when i tried to explain the importance of the story to him he just seemed annoyed and reluctantly gave me the go ahead so that he wouldn't have to discuss it anymore (and so he could find someone to cover the fashion show the BSU was putting on).
i was incredibly disappointed. it felt like he was teaching us that journalism is more about pandering to the masses and providing news entertainment than actual social/political issues. i decided that i didn't want to be a part of the newspaper after that as it was a complete joke to me. the advisers had no sense of journalistic duty or any understanding of the deontological prerogative the press had in a democracy--which is the very reason we have a constitutionally protected freedom of the press. - Hacbarton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey those federal tax rates they take out of your paycheck? Do you think it's NJ taking those out? And what about Social Security? You gonna turn that away when you get old? Oh, and you DO have a personal stake in the troops. For every hour they stay over there, more money is taken from you (or the mercenaries, who get close to 6-figures, and are currently 40,000 strong). You think Republicans are just being tax-free? How do you think are deficit is going to disappear? Taxes are crucial for our society to progress (oh snap, I said the "p" word). And, as John Edwards put it, "any voter who believes a candidate is going to improve the country without raising taxes is living in a dream world". Wanna talk about wastes of tax money? How 'bout the Congressional pastors, the Bridge to Nowhere, federally-funded spring breaks for congressman (in both parties). Do some research, and welfare will be your last complaint.
- buckykatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's easy to lump all the "MSM" together, but there were some reporters out there reporting. Most people just didn't read it. See these links for example:
'Devastating' Bill Moyers Probe of Press and Iraq Coming This Week
...Among the few heroes of this devastating film are reporters with the Knight Ridder/McClatchy bureau in D.C. Tragically late, Walter Isaacson, who headed CNN, observes, "The people at Knight Ridder were calling the colonels and the lieutenants and the people in the CIA and finding out, you know, that the intelligence is not very good. We should've all been doing that."
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003574260
GOING IT ALONE
The contrast in coverage was stark at times. On September 8, 2002, the Times proclaimed in a front-page headline, "U.S. Says Hussein Intensified Quest for A-Bomb Parts." Knight Ridder had two days earlier proclaimed, "Lack of hard evidence of Iraqi weapons worries top U.S. officials." Knight Ridder continued with headlines like "Troubling questions over justification for war in Iraq" and "Failure to find weapons in Iraq leads to intelligence scrutiny," even as most other major media outlets sang a tune more in line with the Bush administration.
http://www.ajr.org/article_printable.asp?id=3725
Here's the link:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/ - rossmcd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ah yes, the simpleton's method of dealing with reality... Force everything to fit into black-or-white categories so you don't have to think for yourself.
- rossmcd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@veryangryjim
It doesn't take much courage to criticize a president who's hovering around 30%. They're still demonizing the bad guy du jour, much like in 2003.
Although that being said, I'd agree that we have seen a little more investigative journalism since 4 years ago. It's a step in the right direction, but I expect a lot more. I think the founding fathers knew that a strong media was a necessary check on the whole gov't, thus they explicitly protected it in the first amendment. - andrew1193, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"Sold off our Media to a few Corporations"
What is this "our Media" that was "sold off"? None of it was government-owned in the first place, much to your dismay I suppose. - unspellable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, God bless Bill Moyers: he needs the blessing of sight and hearing.
The "media" he is referring to does nothing to promote the war in Iraq: reporting little beyond how many Americans have died and how. Or is it that showing an American soldier being snipped by an enemy is promotion? The current main-stream media's coverage is meant to discourage the hearts and minds of the viewers against the war. (It is also fueled by politicians like Harry Reid (D-NV) who like to declare that the War in Iraq is lost! The too need the blessing of sight and hearing - from the soldiers on the ground in Iraq.)
What's more is that the likes of ABC and CBS have NO LOVE for this administration, nor Republicans in general, as has been shown by Dan Rather's reporting of absolutely fraudulent documents against George Bush just weeks before the 2004 Presidential Election or by ABC News director Mark Halprin in his memo to his journalists:
"The New York Times (Nagourney/Stevenson) and Howard Fineman on the web both make the same point today: the current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done.
Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win. [yeah, right]
We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest, but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that." [comments in brackets mine]
If Moyers sincerely believes that the media isn't doing enough to bad-mouth the War in Iraq all he has to do is read the majority of on line posts because the American media has done a good job in smearing the purpose of the war and purposely ommiting the good things that are actually happening in Iraq in their nightly reports. - unloud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"(and my mom had me at 17 so think before you say anything)"
Although I buried kobewan0 for his generalizations, I buried you for yours. Just because your mother had you at 17 doesn't mean you know anything about raising a child at that age.
I know several people with children that age and younger going to school and taking good care of their kids without welfare, so don't try to act like his comment is voided because of some misguided generalization that you have about teen pregnancies. To be honest, the fact that kobewan0 still around after two years goes to show you that he is doing his job as a parent, and I commend him for that. - zonk3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm proud to be related to him, however distantly (he's several branches away on my mother's side). Never met him though, but I'd sure like to.
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Those cwazy americans .....
- unloud, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3For those interested, that HBO podcast is here:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=98746009 -
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