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- zediker, on 10/12/2007, -28/+84The only reason they out them is because of their hypocracy.
How could you be homosexual and support the GOP who would do anything they could to disenfranchise you. - Chebyshev, on 10/12/2007, -15/+62It isn't being gay that is being used as an insult, it is being a hypocrite that is being used as an insult.
- irregardless, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45It's not the persuasion that matters. As head of the RNC, his job was to help elect more Republicans and publicly speak for party. The modern Republican Party's rhetoric has been very hostile toward gay citizens, particular with regards to equal treatment under the law. So, it's not the gayness; it's the hypocritical douchbaggery that's all too common with today's Republicans.
When someone makes it a point to help promote an agenda that directly conflicts with their own leanings, then they should be called out for it (no pun intended). - goingstuckey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Am I the only one who already knew this? I recall this was discussed during the 2004 election.
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -18/+47Mehlman being a man who is gay is not the problem.
Mehlman being a man who is a gay and being a leader of Republican party (a gay rights oppressing party) is the problem.
It's like being black and being a member of and agreeing with views of the KKK.
Not only do those two things not mix. But in the eyes of everyone, it's being quite ironic and hypocritical.
But it's not the first time that Republicans have shown how hypocritical that they really are. And that's where the problem lies.
So Mehlman will be receiving a fabulous and diva-ish prize from ...
http://www.gaysticker.com - ImpactedColon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34"Why do we care who is gay again?"
We care because the very party he belongs to is trying to restrict the rights of gay people, running on a platform expressly against gay people. Don't make me cite the original X-men movie and the whole government restrictions on mutants so that you might begin to understand... - ascheinberg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30"Imagine if the headline read "Bill Maher outs Barack Obama as being black on Larry King". If only being gay could be seen with the same sort of "no *****" attitude. 'Cause in the end, it shouldn't really matter."
Well ***** DUH. That's the ENTIRE issue! Democrats don't appear to care, but republicans are on the warpath. To them, it DOES matter. It matters because they believe, for some reason, that gays are a threat to the institution of marriage (you know, the one where 90% in the US are failures!). They don't believe gays should get benefits or family benefits from each other. This is a big issue for republicans, and the hypocrisy is mind bending.
Outing someone doesn't bother democrats, because democrats usually don't see it as an issue. Only conservatives feel threatened by the presence of gays. - smoothmedia, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36Why do we care who is gay again?
- AndrewJC, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29"So now Republicans can't be gay and can't be poor because then they would be hypocrites. What crap! They are poeple [sic] too as the Democrats love to say. So why are they bashing them? Sounds like they are intollerant [sic] of them."
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Last time I checked, the Democrats weren't trying to prevent gay people from getting married. Or telling them that they were going to hell for their sinful ways.
It's hypocrisy to damn an entire subculture to hell and then turn around and admit that you're part of said subculture. THAT'S why it's newsworthy. - halavais, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Maher says as much in the clip. The question is whether the rank and file of the Republican party recognize that gay members of their leadership are taking anti-gay stances. If that's the case, it either shows a deep self-loathing (as Maher suggests) or a stifling degree of opportunistic posturing in order to appeal to the baser elements of their base.
- quasipalm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21@xGORDOx
There's nothing hateful about calling a gay person gay. Is it hateful to call George Bush straight? Is it hateful to call Obama half black? No. It's just a fact. - drum_bum, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23He's denied it for a while even though everyone pretty much knew he was gay. It's pretty sad really that he's either not allowed to, or too afraid to just come out of the closet and be himself, because of the Republican parties anti-gay stances.
- wild, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22"so you think saying that someone is gay is an insult? It's just a state of being. No one said it was an insult but yourself ya homophobe."
You should reread what he wote. I think you both agree on something: Homosexuality should have no judgement in politics, as its not an insult and its not something worth being ashamed of. It is just who some people are. Same as if they were black, white, male, female, etc.
Imagine if the headline read "Bill Maher outs Barack Obama as being black on Larry King". If only being gay could be seen with the same sort of "no *****" attitude. 'Cause in the end, it shouldn't really matter. - keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23@arevolutionof1
"What other possible explaination could there be for gay, black, latino, of for that matter any oppressed minority Republican."
Money. - Chebyshev, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18From: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/413893p-349919c.html
Asked about 2004 stories suggesting he might be gay, Mehlman told us: "I'm not gay. But those stories did a number on my dating life for six months." ...
It just seems like the guy is ashamed of being gay. I agree with everyone posting here that there should be a "so what" attitude to being gay, but that has to include the person that is gay. He doesn't want to admit it and actively supports legislation limiting his own rights. - arkanebeats, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"You know, there are hippocritical democrats too, right?"
It's true, Democrats open criticism of hippos is pretty well documented. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21still waiting to find out why male escort jeff gannon had full access pass to the White House...
- zediker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@jbink303:
Actually yes, I do know what it means:
Disenfranchise:
1. to deprive (a person) of a right of citizenship, as of the right to vote.
2. to deprive (a person) of a franchise, privilege, or right.
So I guess I was dead on. It is NOT just voting rights. - lava, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19I knew it!!!
Why take a self-hating position? Because there are two kinds of politicians, the ones that want to do good, and the ones that only want to get a gig. - SirCharge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24Eh, who cares. There's a lot of homosexual republicans.
For some people being a republican has more to do with wanting lower taxes and less government than about social issues.
Bill Maher lacks class for bringing up issues that affect other's personal lives for the sake of ratings. - tapeworm77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Actually gay animals are a well documented phenomenon, and they have no social stigma against it.
- plarp, on 10/12/2007, -13/+26i remember when names laurence, lance, and bruce worn't so gay..
- zeeeej, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"Bill Maher is gay."
If he was, he wouldn't be ashamed to say it, unlike Mehlman and other GOP hypocrite cowards. - raypayola, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@famousanus
Log Cabin Republicans are OPENLY gay and advocate gay rights (e.g. Andrew Sullivan). Mehlman has never, to my knowledge, admitted to being gay while orchestrating a Republican platform that is distinctly anti-gay. In both 2004 and 2006 elections, the RNC put gay issues on ballot to "energize the base." I don't think you know what you're talking about. - dgendreau, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I subscribe to the Jeff Gannon / Carl Rove theory...
Karl Rove’s “good friend” ‘Jeff Gannon’:
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-01-05/discussion.cgi.64.html
"Jeff Gannon" and Karl Rove -- one degree of separation:
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001437.html
Jeff Gannon and Karl Rove Attended the Same "School":
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/02/jeff-gannon-and-karl-rove-attended.html
CBS Speculates That Karl Rove Was Jeff Gannon's Contact Inside the White House:
http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/02/cbs-speculates-that-karl-rove-was-jeff.html
I would also point out that Jeff Gannon's particular flavor of male prostitution specialized in "military themed roleplaying". Now there's a scary mental image. heh - ImpactedColon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16"Democrats try to seperate everyone into LITTLE GROUPS."
And republicans are actively trying to the groups that don't align perfectly with their world view either without the right to marry or to enter the country. I suppose you'd say then that republicans split people into big groups, and then build fences and constitutional amendments to drive away the groups they don't like. - jabberwonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@goingstuckey
"Am I the only one who already knew this? I recall this was discussed during the 2004 election."
I think part of that video is missing. In the transcripts, Bill Mahr is talking about outing other top Republicans that haven't been fully outted yet on his show. King starts asking him "like who" - obviously trying to get a scoop on Mahr's own show - and Mahr eventually brings up Melman, as an example of a well known Republican who is gay and has been outted previously.
It think Mahr was talking about his show this coming Friday for when he's going to go through his list of others that were outted by other people but it never made any press or media. - spurtle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The entire point of this is that they're bashing the gay gay-basher. If the gay gay-basher wasn't a gay-basher, no one would really care if he's gay, except for the straight gay-bashers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15If you're trying to insinuate that Bill Maher had a sexual relationship with Mehlman....so what? If Maher is gay or bi who gives a *****? Maher hasn't done everything in his power to keep gays from being equal like Mehlman has, so there wouldn't be so much hypocrisy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Noooooo Liberace was gay? Next you are gonna tell me richard simmons is too.
- zeeeej, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I think I need to take the conservative "How To Be A Moron In 24 Hours" course to understand you people.
How exactly is saying that someone is gay "bashing" that person? It's not, unless you hate gay people. - dgendreau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Before you conservatives digg me down for the "(probably in the closet too)" comment, let me put it this way.
Think about your ex girlfriend. How do you know you are truly over her? When you just dont give a damn anymore... If you are obsessing over who she might be sleeping with or what a slut she is etc., there is still some unfinished business there.
I see the same thought process going on in many people who are strongly anti-gay. They obsessively think about what gay people do in private and how disgusted they feel about that. There is something wrong with that obsession. - gr4v3d1gg3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Could be?
But he'd either have to be lying or bisexual because here is his wiki page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher
it says ,
"For a time he dated retired porn actress Heather Hunter, and recently ended a relationship with video vixen Karrine Steffans". - FamousAnus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@zediker
As for not all conservatives not agreeing with the GOP - THAT I can agree with! - Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@SirCharge
First of all, if you are for smaller government, you do not have a place in today's republican party. They've abandoned you long ago.
Second of all, these are issues that MANY republican voters feel strongly about. This is why there was such a strong republican turnout in the states with anti-gay marriage proposals on the ballot in 2004. Maher is not the one making these things issues, they are already issues to people, and most of all because the republicans bring them up to polarize people in their favor during election years.
And to everyone, I don't care if you like Bill Maher's views or not, the one thing you can say about the guy is that he is intellectually HONEST. You may not like his arguement but unlike Ann Coulter, Michael Moore, or Rush Limbaugh, he at least believes everything that he says, and doesn't make things up to support his opinions. - FamousAnus, on 10/12/2007, -15/+23@zediker
You've obviously never heard of the log cabin Republicans...
I don't think you know what you are talking about, but that doesn't seem to keep you from talking about it. - CravenTwain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Being gay is counter to Republican values precisely because of their opposition to gay marriage.
A gay Republican is effectively saying "I'm a second class citizen. I don't deserve the same legal consideration or tax enhancements as straight people. I know my place."
That's why they keep so damn quiet about it, because opposition to gay marriage comes from an entrenched and formalised prejudice against gay people. It's the very definition of hypocrisy. - irregardless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Skyshock: read the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
That "equal protection" clause is the guarantee that gay citizens should be accorded the same treatment with regards to marriage, survivorship, and adoption (to name a few) as non-gay citizens. - xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You make a huge assumption here. IMHO you are right to say that there is something genetic to homosexuality... but that's just a hunch. The evidence so far shows that we share a lot of genes with women... get this you have ***** too!!! And if you look at a clitoris you'll notice it looks a lot like the gland of a penis. (sorry to sound crude).
Anyways your deterministic view of genes is simplifying a problem. Check the Kinsey report. It seems that 80% of us are in the gray area with only 10% who are totally gay or totally straight.
None of us are completely woman or completely man and there is some reason to believe that the 10% at the extremes of the sexual poles are probably just the freaks in the show. What makes us believe otherwise is social pressure. Anyways I think we can't assume that the few people who express openly their choices in homosexuality have a genetic marker that won't be present in the rest of us who repress consciously or not our tendencies. Just look at Ted Haggard as an example. - dgendreau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Its all just pandering. The Republicans know that gays are a small minority and mostly liberal to boot, so as far as they are concerned, losing their vote doesnt really matter. Their conservative base on the other hand is freaked out about gays(probably in the closet too), so any anti-gay rhetoric Republicans can put out gets them a lot of mileage with them.
The real problem is that the vast majority of Americans, the moderates and liberals, have not been voting enough to put their message in check. - zediker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@iceperson:
Interesting, please elaborate on why democrats, would want to take peoples jobs away, as well as which privaledges and rights that would be taken away. Remember to include facts, because speculation/hypothesis isnt accepted. - halavais, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Only those who are speaking out against the rights of blacks & Jews. In other words, you have license to bash hypocrites. Have at it!
- julp, on 10/12/2007, -16/+23I love Bill Maher.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If your politics are sound, it shouldn't matter if you're gay, straight, bi, whatever. However, while we still have the vast majority of people with pitifully small world views and self esteem its unfortunately going to be an issue for a while to come.
- herculez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10From a blog post:
So for the *****-Hypocrisy Record for the past month...
1. Ted Haggard, leader of a 30 million member Evangelical movement and strong opponent of gay marriage, rights or any sort of recognition, outed. He has a wife and five kids.
2. Mark Foley, long-time closet case within the GOP, soliciting sexual conversations with teenagers while chairing a committee to protect teenagers from predators.
3. Charlie Crist, GOP contender for governor of Florida all but outed by two different men. One, his long-time boyfriend, the other a boy toy who he had a few flings with over the course of a year. Both men are convicted felons...by the way.
4. GOP Senator Larry Craig (Idaho) outed by a gay prostitute. Craig denied it, the media hides it. But you can google him, see his record and see what the gay papers are saying they knew all along: Craig is a self-hating closet case who votes against all gay rights while engaging in homosexual affairs. He has a wife, by the way.
5. Dennis Hastert's chief of staff: The chief of staff of the Speaker of the House has admitted to being gay in the past but re-entered the closet recently. It seems to be a cyclical thing, every two years or so, or during an important election he seems to fade away.
6. Hastert, who is married and doesn't live with his wife, but instead lives with his chief of staff in their cozy D.C. apartment. When Hastert's wife is in town she stay in a hotel. The former Catholic high school wrestling coach - yeah, I'm piling on- says he lives with his chief of staff because it is more convenient for work. I guess he doesn't want his wife interrupting his 'working' relationship when she's in town. Yeah, I guess that doesn't look strange. Not that a straight/married politician couldn't live with his in-and-out of the closet chief of staff.
NEWSFLASH: in the blogosphere today, another young and impressionable gay man is starting to leak about Hastert.
6. Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC...Now this isn't within the last month. It's one of those open secrets that only gets rehashed every once and a while as a blackmail threat against Mehlman who has had relationships with several men in DC, while serving as head of the Republican party.
7. Karl Rove's stepfather: gay. This isn't that surprising and Rove isn't anti-gay. He has openly admitted to loving his stepfather and their relationship. He's just power hungry and has no problem bashing anybody, including those who helped raise him.
Am I forgetting anyone? Oh yeah, these:
8. Rep. Patrick McHenry
9 . Rep. Phil English
10. Rep. David Dreier
11. Rep. Jim McCrery
12. Dana Rohrabacher
13. Sen. Orrin Hatch
14. Sen. George Allen....SENATOR GEORGE ALLEN?!?!? That's right, Senator Macaca known for employing very handsome young men, and visiting private men's clubs that cater to those of the purple persuasion while Governor. Sen. Allen who has his divorce records sealed. Sen Allen and whose staff recently shoved and smacked around a law student for asking about his divorce records and while they weren't available to the public. - zediker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@killinger777:
Since when did having conservative views automatically make you republican?
The issue is the GOP having a leader who supports views hypocritical to his very own nature. - PixelNurse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The latest research actually suggests that there is no hereditary 'gay gene'. The evidence shows that a large number of gay men are the second, third or fourth male children of one mother. The suggestion is that we have evolved to deliberately produce gay children, and if this is the case there must be an evolutionary advantage to this.
Evolutionary sociology has a number of theories for this, most of these theories put forward the notion that it is beneficial to complex social animals to limit the number of individuals who go on to breed or compete for 'alpha' status. The production of gay individuals adds benefits, such as more people to defend territory, acquire food, and help raise the children in the community, while at the same time not requiring the same level of resources as individuals with their own children. In an environment with limited resources it may not be the best strategy to have everybody reproducing as much as possible.
So we may yet find that having gay members of society helps the family unit and far from harming society is actually beneficial. It can almost be perceived as gay people being the 'worker bees' of human society and of families. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Uhmm.. There is a "gay" gene... Geneticists documented the phenomena with fruit flies.. I think they've done it with rats now actually..
Where have you been? - jbink303, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14@zediker
Do you even know what disenfranchise means? I don't see Republicans standing outside polling places, telling all the homosexuals to go home. I don't see proof of sexual orientation as a requirement for registering to vote. I don't see homosexuals being counted as 3/5 of a person, or 2/3, or 4/5, or anything of the sort.
To be disenfranchised is to be deprived of your voting rights. Quit saying words that 'sound bad' and start saying things that are true. Lord, this is annoying. People throw 'disenfranchise' around like it's something like a depriving people of all liberties, period. How about we have a little respect for all those African Americans and women who really were disenfranchised and start using the word correctly.
On another note, I'm definitely Conservative and I don't hate gays. I'll even pull the 'I have gay friends' card. Do I agree with homosexuality? Nope. If I hated everyone who did something with which I disagree, I'd have no friends (not that I do anyway).
Some people may really put more important issues ahead of their personal lives for the good of the order. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Where are you getting the word "theory"? It's well documented.. You need to start reading the science journals.. :/
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